Understanding Mikasa Ackerman

LordSozin said:
It's easy to say all this, but when reading the manga, I felt no progression for her as a character for the majority of the manga. The last arc with her involvement with Ymir was a left-field because Mikasa herself was a slave to Eren. Hence forth, Eren telling Mikasa to let him go. But her somehow saving Ymir at the last minute made sense?

I thought Eren was the character that represented freedom. Not Mikasa.

There was never a motif that pushed for LOVE as the final solution to the series. It was all about die as a race or survive with guilt.

JosephSaber40 said:
Mikasa has no development but protecting Eren, Armin criticized her obsessive behaviour in 125, also Eren confronted her with her annoying nature in 112, as for Eren lying Eren wasn't lying when he told her that he hates her, because his actions didn't make any sense as it led to Paradise destruction,

she carried his decapitated head all along the way to Paradise witnessing the ruins and destruction Eren brought upon the world, nonetheless she continued to love this mass genocidal maniac, despite killing him in inconsistent and disgusting behaviour.

Mikasa is a trash character and she's indeed a slave.

LordSozin said:
It's easy to say all this, but when reading the manga, I felt no progression for her as a character for the majority of the manga. The last arc with her involvement with Ymir was a left-field because Mikasa herself was a slave to Eren. Hence forth, Eren telling Mikasa to let him go. But her somehow saving Ymir at the last minute made sense?

I thought Eren was the character that represented freedom. Not Mikasa.

There was never a motif that pushed for LOVE as the final solution to the series. It was all about die as a race or survive with guilt.

Neil1998 said:


Her growth was supposed to be subtle. It wasn't never meant to be flashy. One could argue that the execution wasn't the best but the idea is still there and thus I can't say that it came completely out of nowhere. Plus The Rumbling arc begins with a chapter that's narrated by Mikasa. In fact, this entire arc had far more focus on Mikasa than any other arc in a long time. Also Eren does represent the idea of freedom in many different way. Mikasa's role is more about the idea of the world being a cruel place but also beautiful and learning to accept it. I would recommend you to check out this thread that properly explains Eren's character:
https://mobile.twitter.com/cactuzzshash/status/1417554380820303886


As for love as the final solution, the only example I can think of right now is when The Owl told Grisha to find someone in the wall and love them otherwise the same history will repeat again. One could argue that The Owl was saying this to make sure Grisha's cover was safe in the walls. But considering he is saying all this on top of a literal 4th wall, the same location where Gross made his 4th wall breaking speech about cruelty, I am willing to believe that this was supposed to be directed at the audience.

shyn_M21 said:

Yeah. That love was totally the awnser. It's not like everything was pointless and the same mistakes happened again. Paradise wasn't destroyed. Titans didn't come back. The love solved everything. Mikasa being the "chosen one" didn't completely come out of nowhere. I mean didn't you see all the parallels between her and ymir? All the foreshadowings? Oh what's that? There weren't any? What? Historia and ymir parallels? Never heard of that. Dude the series itself debunks your points.

Neil1998 said:


If you had tried to read what was written here, you would have seen the parallels between Ymir and Mikasa.

Neil1998 said:


If you had tried to read what was written here, you would have seen the parallels between Ymir and Mikasa.

And just because another war happened nearly a century later doesn't make everything meaningless. War and conflict is an inevitable concept that's intrinsic to human nature. Even Erwin understood this when he said to Pixis during the Uprising Arc that humans will always find a reason to fight each other untill their numbers deplete down to one or less. But that doesn't mean our efforts to solve it are meaningless. In fact, it's these efforts to solve the problem that makes their sacrifices meaningful. This is what I personally consider as the main message of Attack on Titan. War and hatred may always persist but as long as we continue to fight and strive to find a solution, all the past sacrifices wouldn't be in vain.

shyn_M21 said:





Yeah i read that part. Complete nonsense. Also you ignored all the parallels between ymir and historia.








Yeah sure. That was the main message of the story. Not surpassing the father. Not having the right to freedom simply because of being born into this world. Not being looked down on and hated for just belonging to a race and held for the crimes of your ancestors. But sure. If you liked it. Oh and you said this "as long as we continue to fight and strive to find a solution, all the past sacrifices wouldn't be in vain" but who's gonna strive and find another solution? The eldians are gone...all the children and grand children who they fought to protect are dead. Annihilated from this earth. The world is free of those "eldian devils". I remember this lyric of guren no yumiya "the world as eren desires" damn eren...was this the world you desired? What a man you are...

Neil1998 said:


I am not saying that was the only message of the series but rather the one that the final scenes seems to indicate. All of what you said just now are valid.

"Oh and you said this "as long as we continue to fight and strive to find a solution, all the past sacrifices wouldn't be in vain" but who's gonna strive and find another solution? The eldians are gone...all the children and grand children who they fought to protect are dead."

And I don't know if you notice but there seems to be a little kid still alive on that island meaning that all of the Eldians aren't dead. So I guess there are still people out there. So I think they're alive. And I didn't ignore the Historia parallels. I just don't really care about them because Historia really didn't do anything for the finale which is actually one of my personal issues with the ending.

shyn_M21 said:

Yeah i read that part. Complete nonsense. Also you ignored all the parallels between ymir and historia.

shyn_M21 said:
Yeah sure. That was the main message of the story. Not surpassing the father.

shyn_M21 said:
Not having the right to freedom simply because of being born into this world.

shyn_M21 said:
Not being looked down on and hated for just belonging to a race and held for the crimes of your ancestors.

the racial hierarchy, being oppressed and devoid of freedom cause of being born into this world and belonging to a certain race,etc

shyn_M21 said:
But sure. If you liked it. Oh and you said this "as long as we continue to fight and strive to find a solution, all the past sacrifices wouldn't be in vain" but who's gonna strive and find another solution? The eldians are gone...all the children and grand children who they fought to protect are dead. Annihilated from this earth. The world is free of those "eldian devils".

Yes there is a kid alive(at least 99 percent of them are dead and the rest are being hunted)

shyn_M21 said:
I remember this lyric of guren no yumiya "the world as eren desires" damn eren...was this the world you desired? What a man you are...

-X3RX3S- said:
Ignore this Joseph Guy, I have already debunked his argument 2 times past few days, he is just a YB member/troll who thinks Eren is a patriot/CHAD, Eren prioritizes Historia over his friends, Mikasa is a slave and whatever Eren said in the Table Talk scene was his true feelings when even Zeke debunked it in 130 lol

JosephSaber40 said:


@Neil1998

let's be clear and honest as long as Isayama ships Eren and Mikasa you'll defend anything he writes even after he wrote the final high cast preview of volume 34 admitting directly through Armin and Marcl's distorted face that represent the fandom reaction to his trash finale, you still continue to defend his trash writing,

those who hate the ending are the ones who make valid points they correctly predicted the destruction of Paradise month before the 8 pages release, during Zekken's initial leaks I remember quite well how EM shippers wished if those leaks are fake, no one could ever defend those leaks but when they proved to be true you came up with strange illogical points to defend it, I'm not gone argue with you anymore nor read long illogical essays about this because you are completely blind from seeing the truth because of your pathetic ship even Zekken admits that the writing is trash indeed.

away from romance and ship Erwin who wished that the next generations would find a meaning in his death has died for nothing with the destruction of Paradise, but you fail to see that.

look even at the guidebook it's full of retcons, look at his recent interviews they are all lies and pathetic statements Isayama stats that the true form of Eren is some one with no character development a useless whiny man how do you defend this garbage, a whiny man does this trash statement fits a horrific story where 80% of the world population are destroyed and killed !, no respect for human lives obviously.

JosephSaber40 said:


@Neil1998

let's be clear and honest as long as Isayama ships Eren and Mikasa you'll defend anything he writes even after he wrote the final high cast preview of volume 34 admitting directly through Armin and Marcl's distorted face that represent the fandom reaction to his trash finale, you still continue to defend his trash writing,

those who hate the ending are the ones who make valid points they correctly predicted the destruction of Paradise month before the 8 pages release, during Zekken's initial leaks I remember quite well how EM shippers wished if those leaks are fake, no one could ever defend those leaks but when they proved to be true you came up with strange illogical points to defend it, I'm not gone argue with you anymore nor read long illogical essays about this because you are completely blind from seeing the truth because of your pathetic ship even Zekken admits that the writing is trash indeed.

away from romance and ship Erwin who wished that the next generations would find a meaning in his death has died for nothing with the destruction of Paradise, but you fail to see that.

look even at the guidebook it's full of retcons, look at his recent interviews they are all lies and pathetic statements Isayama stats that the true form of Eren is some one with no character development a useless whiny man how do you defend this garbage, a whiny man does this trash statement fits a horrific story where 80% of the world population are destroyed and killed !, no respect for human lives obviously.

JosephSaber40 said:


@Neil1998

let's be clear and honest as long as Isayama ships Eren and Mikasa you'll defend anything he writes even after he wrote the final high cast preview of volume 34 admitting directly through Armin and Marcl's distorted face that represent the fandom reaction to his trash finale, you still continue to defend his trash writing,

those who hate the ending are the ones who make valid points they correctly predicted the destruction of Paradise month before the 8 pages release, during Zekken's initial leaks I remember quite well how EM shippers wished if those leaks are fake, no one could ever defend those leaks but when they proved to be true you came up with strange illogical points to defend it, I'm not gone argue with you anymore nor read long illogical essays about this because you are completely blind from seeing the truth because of your pathetic ship even Zekken admits that the writing is trash indeed.

away from romance and ship Erwin who wished that the next generations would find a meaning in his death has died for nothing with the destruction of Paradise, but you fail to see that.

look even at the guidebook it's full of retcons, look at his recent interviews they are all lies and pathetic statements Isayama stats that the true form of Eren is some one with no character development a useless whiny man how do you defend this garbage, a whiny man does this trash statement fits a horrific story where 80% of the world population are destroyed and killed !, no respect for human lives obviously.

Neil1998 said:
I don't care about the shipping wars. Hell, the fact that Eren had feelings for Mikasa was one of my biggest problems with the ending to begin with.

Dragevard said:
Most cringe thread I've ever seen. Writing an entire essay on why a character is "good" when her whole character is based around one thing: "Eren"