General Animation/CGI/Production/Studio Discussion

Okeanix said:
Characters looks a lot weird specially in last episode.

Adnash93 said:
Have you noticed a slight change in the artstyle after Marley arc has ended? I am talking about designs of the characters.

While Marley arc had art very similar to the artstyle used in the manga, the current arc seems to be different a bit in terms of how all characters look like, resembling more like a hybrid between how they looked liked in the manga and how Wit made them look like back when they were responsible for AoT anime adaptation.

7so said:
It feels more like because we're going back and forth between 2 years ago and the present.

deg said:
should we really keep praising MAPPA or this same mediocre adaptation and overworking condition of their staff will keep on happening?



i recently happen to read this argument and it applies to the whole Anime Industry as a capitalist or business, the same mistake of mediocre adaptation and overworking of their staff will happen if fans blindly praise this people especially the executives or upper management of MAPPA and the production committee

do you agree? but ye never harass the ordinary workers or staff of MAPPA and any other studios for that matter since ultimately they do not have the final decisions on big decisions its always the upper management or executives that have those

deg said:
should we really keep praising MAPPA or this same mediocre adaptation and overworking condition of their staff will keep on happening?



i recently happen to read this argument and it applies to the whole Anime Industry as a capitalist or business, the same mistake of mediocre adaptation and overworking of their staff will happen if fans blindly praise this people especially the executives or upper management of MAPPA and the production committee

do you agree? but ye never harass the ordinary workers or staff of MAPPA and any other studios for that matter since ultimately they do not have the final decisions on big decisions its always the upper management or executives that have those

Awesomeness_1307 said:
Now then, after having watched the preview for episode 14, seeing the action that we have till now, and the fact that , what are your predictions for its quality?

yaegerist-15 said:
I hope a good freelancer worked on the fight. Mikasa vs warhammer Titan had a good 2d shot for like 20-30 seconds but mikasa was mixed with 3dcg. Levi didn’t have a cg model in liberio because he don’t have That new complex outfit so Levi will be 2d, all mindless titans will also be 2d. Beast Titan will be 3dcg but with good 2d close ups. I hope they put a good 2d cut that’s lasts 1 minute or longer. Ofc it won’t be on the same level as arifumi imais cuts but they still can do it justice with a good direction and if it will 80% 2d. Fingers crossed that at least this time a very good freelancer like watanabe or tanaka shows up

Sad7727 said:


from the preview it looks they improved levi but it seems darkened a bit(because it was inside of the forest)? i don't know.

Awesomeness_1307 said:


It seems as if the darkness is on purpose, to perhaps reduce the workload. They used the same technique in the Libero raid, making everything dark so as to not have too much to work on for backgrounds, and to blend in the CGI more easily, making it hard to notice. I expected the lighting to be similar to the Levi v Annie fight, but it seems like the entire scene will have a dark green-ish atmosphere. Honestly, I'm cool with it as long as we can clearly see what's happening on the screen.

Sourire said:
The Levi vs Zeke fight happens during the night lol

Sourire said:
The Levi vs Zeke fight happens during the night lol

yaegerist-15 said:
true, I hope they will improve the lighting in liberio for the Blu-ray release, that was a important point for me along with the off model characters (floch, jean..) and some bad cgi shots of the AT in the first half of ep6 but Levi’s design looks pretty solid in the preview,

yaegerist-15 said:
Can someone enlighten me how exactly the production works? The overall quality of season 4 is nearly the same like season 3 (animation quality) but WIT put the resources in the important Moments. Apparently vercreek only worked for ep 8 with the lobov scene which was good. And he also said that this was the only available scene. Levi vs zeke round 2 was good no question and the whole forest moment was done justice but why can’t they properly put the resources more in moments when it’s needed like letting vervreek do a Levi vs zeke cut instead of the lobov scene? Or do you think vervreek wouldn’t want to animate Levi vs zeke?

reki_ said:


Vercreek is a freelancer so he was too busy working on other projects to do anything more than the lobov cut unfortunately, same with Arfumi Imai who basically carried the action in AoT up until s3 p2

gabisimp said:

Yes, but the question is why would they hire him to do a scene that didn't need any attention at all, instead of an important one like episode 14?

gabisimp said:

Yes, but the question is why would they hire him to do a scene that didn't need any attention at all, instead of an important one like episode 14?

Awesomeness_1307 said:
The CGWorld magazine vol. 272, highlighting stuff about the pre-production and production of AoT S04 has been released. Has anyone been able to get their hands on it?

https://cgworld.jp/magazine/cgw272.html

deg said:

Its a very technical magazine so not much new info but here https://twitter.com/kasumi_kasa/status/1369585653986467840

deg said:
@iannFDL

yep this season should have been given 2 years of production time and not just this 1 year they gave it

EDIT:

-> Director Cao, one last question here, when are you informed by Mappa to join the final season AOT production?
Cao: That was on December last year (Dec 2019) when I am still working on Dorohedoro.
-> Dorohedoro aired on Jan 2020, did you guys finish all the 12 episodes production at that time (Dec 2019) already?
Cao: No, we haven't finish all 12 episodes making, we only started making ep 10 not long ago at that time
-> Omg so you basically working on dorohedoro and aot production at the same time, is your liver alright?
Cao: Loss some hairs, not bald yet, yeah liver is suffering 😂
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1872030&show=5950#msg61311292

Hinako9 deleted much of the interviews with some chinese staff but here is one

there Mr Cao the director of episode 6 said they started working for like 1 year only with Attack on Titan final season

the japanese are ripping on mappa holy shit

http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/192469

Sad7727 said:
the japanese are ripping on mappa holy shit

http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/192469

BigBadonkerTrap said:


That ad pop-up is pure gold man

joroto said:
I do not understand what it means ?

Sad7727 said:
some guy edited levi's face in ep 14 to look more like Wit's

Sad7727 said:
some guy edited levi's face in ep 14 to look more like Wit's

Awesomeness_1307 said:


Editing is not really the right way to describe it, I think. It kind of undermines the effort that the person put in. He literally drew over the original, changed proportions, and painted light on top. It would be also be respectful if you provided a source to the original, instead of just reposting the person's work without credit.

Coming to this, the biggest difference is that WIT always had a 3 lighting colour scheme most of the time. Meaning, if you look at WIT's adaptation, you will find that every character is coloured with their original skin colour, a shadow colour, and a highlight colour. It makes them more detailed and an overall more pleasing aesthetic. Season 2 took this even further with many still shots almost looking like paintings, to the point you could use a screenshot as a poster. In Season 4, the highlight colour has been removed, and characters are coloured using 2 colours most of the time, their original skin colour, and a shadow colour. This is obviously a time saving measure, more than anything else. However, it is common in most anime. Even WIT's own Vinland Saga rarely has the 3 lighting colour scheme. It's a detailed art style, which is an exception in anime, instead of the norm.

Harsha1314 said:
Id like to follow the artist

I can't get why season 4 get so much hate for the animation. Sure it is a downgrade, but imo just from a 10/10 to a 7-8/10. The most people doen't like the CGI what I can understand, but in cases of cinematography this season ist good as previous seasons, imo.

Another thing is, since when everything is about animation? Since Demons Slayer?
Just look at Monster... the animation is damn bad, even for this year, but this Anime lives from the insane Story and characters... like AoT. AoT is a shounen, but not a typical fighting shounen... the most highlights and hyping scenes of this anime are not only fights or powerups... it is the huge amount of amazing tiwsts and turns, great character developement and insane worldbuilding.

I can unterstand every person who wishes the animation would be like in previous season, me too... but if we not got this adaption we would never got one.
MAPPA was the only studio who trys to produce the last season... so I am very thankful, that this masterpiece get an full adaption.

But as I said, it's just my opinion.

Leoradiuju2004 said:
Are you one of those who lick Mappa's boots? the mappa studio is complete shit (I mean the producers, the animators who strive for everything are the best people in the world to endure working there). Obviously, tell me, who in their right mind would agree to animate an anime in just 8 months? because remember, no studio wanted to do it since it was impossible, but of course, the mappa production committee would have thought "oh, the shitty AOT fans will swallow everything we give them", of course, because they are only guided by the money, they don't give a shit if you like how it's adapted, or if I don't like how it looks, their only reason for accepting the project was money, what a great studio, right? We should be grateful for that, right? wait, i'm not done yet, mappa was animating many other animes, so why accept another project? because like all animation studios, the only thing that moves their stupid asses is money, but mappa is the most shit I've seen. and also remember, we are talking about shingeki no kyojin, an anime recognized worldwide, which had very high expectations, with fans who asked for something incredible, and although the animation is good and the cgi is the best I have seen, it is very below what was wit. And finally, which is what culminated everything: the trailer that was animated with a fucking good animation, and that showed several scenes from this season that looked incredible, everyone excited about this, right? well, we all know what happened. It was all a lie, they took the time to show us a trailer of which we will never have that animation, at least the study that ex-arm encouraged showed us in its first trailer how the anime would look, sincerity above all. And maybe I have mentioned it, but here the only ones who suffer are the animators, those who have to put up with some shitty bosses, working inhuman hours, our great animation studio, right? Now tell me, lick mappa boots, are you grateful that they brought something that literally no one in the world desperately asked for and that we were all willing to wait for it to have a decent production?

Leoradiuju2004 said:
Are you one of those who lick Mappa's boots? the mappa studio is complete shit (I mean the producers, the animators who strive for everything are the best people in the world to endure working there). Obviously, tell me, who in their right mind would agree to animate an anime in just 8 months? because remember, no studio wanted to do it since it was impossible, but of course, the mappa production committee would have thought "oh, the shitty AOT fans will swallow everything we give them", of course, because they are only guided by the money, they don't give a shit if you like how it's adapted, or if I don't like how it looks, their only reason for accepting the project was money, what a great studio, right? We should be grateful for that, right? wait, i'm not done yet, mappa was animating many other animes, so why accept another project? because like all animation studios, the only thing that moves their stupid asses is money, but mappa is the most shit I've seen. and also remember, we are talking about shingeki no kyojin, an anime recognized worldwide, which had very high expectations, with fans who asked for something incredible, and although the animation is good and the cgi is the best I have seen, it is very below what was wit. And finally, which is what culminated everything: the trailer that was animated with a fucking good animation, and that showed several scenes from this season that looked incredible, everyone excited about this, right? well, we all know what happened. It was all a lie, they took the time to show us a trailer of which we will never have that animation, at least the study that ex-arm encouraged showed us in its first trailer how the anime would look, sincerity above all. And maybe I have mentioned it, but here the only ones who suffer are the animators, those who have to put up with some shitty bosses, working inhuman hours, our great animation studio, right? Now tell me, lick mappa boots, are you grateful that they brought something that literally no one in the world desperately asked for and that we were all willing to wait for it to have a decent production?

joroto said:
I do not understand what it means ?

Sad7727 said:

these are few pictures of them,but anyway most of them are disappointed and think the same as us (JJK is better). there are few people who don't care and say mappa is good enough though.

there's also a lot in 5chan.but i didn't post any from there

some guy said this is mappa level of animation because JJK was made by freelancers due to Park's connections lol.

its google translate,but you can get the gist.
original = manga/S1 (the first comment) i think



maybe i should make a separate thread when the season ends,who knows

Fax001s said:

Wow, these threads are full of savages lmao, on twitter it's the exact opposite for japanese fans.

Fax001s said:
Episode 16 staff:

Screenplay: Hiroshi Seko.
Storyboard: Yuki Ito.
Director: Teruyuki Omine, Tomoko Hiramukai, Jun Shishido, Mitsue Yamazaki.
Chief Animation Director: Manabu Akita, Daisuke Niinuma, Shuji Takahara, Hitoshi Yamaguchi.
Animation Director: Retsu Park, Hiroko Komatsu , Aikari Minagawa, Satoshi Iwataki, Satoshi Ikeda, Michelle Sugimoto, Akira Matsui, Masayuki Kato, Ikei Wang, Mizuki Ito, Akitsugu Hisagi.

Awesomeness_1307 said:
The blu-ray has been delayed. https://twitter.com/AoTWiki/status/1380084337287163906

This is good news perhaps? The first half of part 1 has been delayed a few weeks longer than the second half, so, I'm expecting decent improvements to episode 6.

Possibilities:
1) This delay is because they have been improving it all this time and want to make it as good as possible. They grasp how popular this show is, and have taken all the criticism into consideration, and hence want to polish it as much as they can.

2) The staff has been so busy on other projects all this time that they haven't had time to work on the blu-ray at all. They've just started heavily working on it.

Conclusion: They definitely do care about the blu-ray, and I think it's safe to expect that it'll look a bit better than the TV version, otherwise they wouldn't have gone through the hassle of postponing it. If they really didn't care, they would just release the TV version as is. When I say 'they', I refer to whoever makes decisions regarding the blu-ray, most probably the production committee.