General Animation/CGI/Production/Studio Discussion

Rhhdaiw said:

I felt like Jaw Titan was 2d in half of the action scenes in episode 7

Rhhdaiw said:

I felt like Jaw Titan was 2d in half of the action scenes in episode 7
I do not think Attack Titan will be 2d but I hope they fix his face like how they fixed Beast Titan's face

deg said:
should we really keep praising MAPPA or this same mediocre adaptation and overworking condition of their staff will keep on happening?



i recently happen to read this argument and it applies to the whole Anime Industry as a capitalist or business, the same mistake of mediocre adaptation and overworking of their staff will happen if fans blindly praise this people especially the executives or upper management of MAPPA and the production committee

do you agree? but ye never harass the ordinary workers or staff of MAPPA and any other studios for that matter since ultimately they do not have the final decisions on big decisions its always the upper management or executives that have those

Rhhdaiw said:

Normally I am confident in my skill of differenciate the CGI moves
But MAPPA's skill in CGI makes it really hard for me
Ex : The scene where he was running on the roodtop just before he got punched in the face by Eren was like 2d
If it was CGI then I have 0 doubts for the titan fight scenes in Paradise
That scenes will be 10/10 if they fix Attack Titan's face

Rhhdaiw said:

Aot is a horror for 2d animators tbh
Titans are too detailed so moving them in 2d takes too much effort and time
And this season has 6 different titans in action scenes
Even the studio that has best 2d animators in the anime industry would need at least 2.5 years for this 16 episodes
Just remember episode 2 of season 3 part 2
Animations for Armored vs Attack was a disaster and they had inconsistent drawings
Attack on Titan : The Final Season 2D is just a mere dream if you are not a billionaire and has money to waste on creating a studio, hiring best animators, and buying Aot's whole rights for making a remake

EndlessNights9 said:
Would have liked that we ended with some sakuga for the series' final season but now that's impossible. Thanks production committee.

QuarioX said:
I honestly don't get why people defend Mappa. I mean, cmon, just because they took up on it? The whole reason why Wit is not doing it, is because they knew how unreasonable the time conditions were. If they didn't accept it we would get this season probably 2-4 years later, but at least in good condition and I think it would be worth waiting. I just hope that they will fix this mess in BluRay edition.

NoPainNoBacon said:
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/143271 this looks pretty awesome (spoilers for episode 7)

Orochiro said:


In the end it all comes down to money and the production company/committee decided that this would be the most profitable way to do this season. Taking 2 or 3 times longer to produce it won't double or triple the profits so "good enough" adaptation is what the companies go for as sad as it is. WIT probably thought it to be completely impossible while MAPPA decided to give it a shot at least (and I really think their management is taking on way too many projects lately).

CePl17 said:


There has been a lot of Sakuga this season just people don't wanna notice it.

QuarioX said:
I honestly don't get why people defend Mappa. I mean, cmon, just because they took up on it? The whole reason why Wit is not doing it, is because they knew how unreasonable the time conditions were. If they didn't accept it we would get this season probably 2-4 years later, but at least in good condition and I think it would be worth waiting. I just hope that they will fix this mess in BluRay edition.

Mahmoud_J1 said:


I don`t want to talk about MAPPA, but who said WIT isn't doing it just because of the Schedule? In the producers` Interview in October they said that WIT reaches the point of the story that they felt it`s time to focus on investing in increase the Studio value "by making original animes cause it`s more profitable than other Animes", and that`s what we actually see in real, WIT 2020-2021 have 3 Original animes "Great pretender - 23 EPs -, Vampire in the Garden, Vivy: Fluorite Eye's Song", take into consideration original animes take about 3-4 years into preparation "preproduction and production", so they have in their minds that they won`t complete AOT from day one.

EndlessNights9 said:
Not a fan of explosion sasuga. Tell me what the others were.

Bhaskar_Singh said:
Never ever have I thought would say this but after experiencing the 7th episode for a couple of times, I have to say "FUCK 2d".

barthos said:
Attack on Titan without Tetsuro Araki/Wit is like Monogotari Series without Akiyuki Shinbo/Shaft. The story is there but the direction style is no more.

NoPainNoBacon said:
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/143271 this looks pretty awesome (spoilers for episode 7)

yaegerist-15 said:
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https://twitter.com/dashan56157456/status/1353684343986610176


because reiners "half transformed" Titan, he will be full 2d just like armins CT, he appears for only 1 minute. Thundry who has worked on the titans since season 1 and his director sunmeng are working on this episode and are still working.
- sakuga of ep 8,9 started 6 months ago

and another info: I asked the superanimator kameda on twitter if he worked or is working on the final season, he answered me with "Im currently working on another peace, so its hard to participate on AoT, sorry:(" seems he only made a cut for the trailer and op but maybe lets hope for another cut or imai to appear for the forrest fight, we still havent seen vercreeds cuts tho

- from the 2 pictures we can see they are improving and improving, ep7 cgi was far better than ep6 (titans), more 2d cuts are realistic for paradise arc and the cgi only gets better

deg said:


sakuga simply means animation in japan though it does not mean awesome animation unlike we none japanese use the term

i do not expect awesome sakuga here at all

and vercreek is the only one im looking forward to so forget about Imai and Kameda

chiearlymorning said:
hello guys im bored

Mahmoud_J1 said:

I don`t want to talk about MAPPA, but who said WIT isn't doing it just because of the Schedule? In the producers` Interview in October they said that WIT reaches the point of the story that they felt it`s time to focus on investing in increase the Studio value "by making original animes cause it`s more profitable than other Animes", and that`s what we actually see in real, WIT 2020-2021 have 3 Original animes "Great pretender - 23 EPs -, Vampire in the Garden, Vivy: Fluorite Eye's Song", take into consideration original animes take about 3-4 years into preparation "preproduction and production", so they have in their minds that they won`t complete AOT from day one.

captain3xtreme said:
Surprised so many people are defending the 3d and saying that it's better than 2d. I don't get it, the 2d titan fight scenes were probably the best part of the show. There's occasionally some decent hand drawn scenes in season 4 but when contrasted with the very jarring and noticeable CGI titans it just doesn't look right. I have never seen 3d CGI in an anime and been like "hey that's better than if they drew it". It just always looks like video game sprites.

I don't think it's as much of an art style as an attempt to make anime cheaper to produce and if you like the CGI so much, would you rather the entire show and every character be CGI?

BESTSERK said:
Good morning mappa lovers

https://youtu.be/MkkFZTrxkio

QuarioX said:
I honestly don't get why people defend Mappa. I mean, cmon, just because they took up on it? The whole reason why Wit is not doing it, is because they knew how unreasonable the time conditions were. If they didn't accept it we would get this season probably 2-4 years later, but at least in good condition and I think it would be worth waiting. I just hope that they will fix this mess in BluRay edition.

QuarioX said:
I honestly don't get why people defend Mappa. I mean, cmon, just because they took up on it? The whole reason why Wit is not doing it, is because they knew how unreasonable the time conditions were. If they didn't accept it we would get this season probably 2-4 years later, but at least in good condition and I think it would be worth waiting. I just hope that they will fix this mess in BluRay edition.

Harsha1314 said:
Season 4 Haters: When they try....

Scordolo said:

Bruh it already is in good condition.I never even noticed any cgi even after the haters pointed it out.How come I've noticed Wit's horribe Colossal and Rod reiss cgi titans and never noticed Mappa's cgi titans?
Lmao nice Higurashi reference.

yaegerist-15 said:
Ep 8 staff list:

Scriptwriter: Hiroshi seko
Storyboard: Jiro kanai
Director: Hidetoshi Takahashi, Retsujun Yang, Yosuke Yamamoto
Chief Animation Director: Shuji Takahara, Hitoshi Yamaguchi
Animation Directors: Akira Takada, Satoshi Koike, Reshun Yang, Shoyo

deg said:


3 directors in an episode lol ye its more crunch time but episode 7 got 11 ADs and the animation overall did not melt so again the talent can overcompensate for the lack of time

deg said:
should we really keep praising MAPPA or this same mediocre adaptation and overworking condition of their staff will keep on happening?



i recently happen to read this argument and it applies to the whole Anime Industry as a capitalist or business, the same mistake of mediocre adaptation and overworking of their staff will happen if fans blindly praise this people especially the executives or upper management of MAPPA and the production committee

do you agree? but ye never harass the ordinary workers or staff of MAPPA and any other studios for that matter since ultimately they do not have the final decisions on big decisions its always the upper management or executives that have those

_Lyborick_ said:


I mean you are right that we should not overwork the staff and give them good pays, but there is practically nothing we can do about it as fans. In a world where the money is prioritized over everything else, those practices will never come to fruition, which is really sad. Still, these staff put their blood sweat, and tears into their work, and that is something that I will praise them no matter what.

yaegerist-15 said:
This leaker here said that he heard some animators from jujutsu kaisen participate in the last few episodes of the season

https://twitter.com/dashan56157456/status/1354013162329182209?s=21

EndlessNights9 said:
Would have liked that we ended with some sakuga for the series' final season but now that's impossible. Thanks production committee.

deg said:
Cleaning up one frame in AOT took 3 times the amount it takes me to do a frame in any other anime, worth it though https://twitter.com/zeido__/status/1355934880912318468

this is the animators work https://twitter.com/zeido__/status/1355934530570489860

i think i found why mecha is more 3DCG now a days because the black suits of the scouts is like a mecha

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The poor corrections I saw prior to the series starting were in this episode. The really bad one was redrawn, but amusingly, it turned out they were just small background characters anyway. Glad it doesn't seem like that kinda melt will make it to the screen. https://twitter.com/AnimeAjay/status/1355934696258076675