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Dec 6, 2020 10:14 AM
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can anyone tell me why all titan is made in CGI, even wit studio only made CGI on colossal titan and horse, but mappa made CGI on all titan on AOT shows, it's like unfair even kaisen jujutsu doesn't have this bad CGI like this
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Dec 6, 2020 10:36 AM
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Worse schedule/production
Dec 6, 2020 11:20 AM
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Mattinator95 said:
Worse schedule/production
I guess that's not the right answer considering the school god and jujutsu kaisen made mappa with amazing animation
Dec 6, 2020 11:36 AM
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They use CGi for general scenes, traditional animation for special animation/closeups and stills. So its basically the same as with previous seasons, or it follows the same trend at the very least.
Dec 6, 2020 11:38 AM
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3DCG is usually use for anime to speed up the production since the final season got tight schedule
Dec 6, 2020 11:41 AM
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Because mappa is spreading itself thin with the amount of anime they're making
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Dec 6, 2020 11:42 AM
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Gaerled said:
They use CGi for general scenes, traditional animation for special animation/closeups and stills. So its basically the same as with previous seasons, or it follows the same trend at the very least.


He asked why the titans were 3D and this is the answer you came up with?

No, everything is more CGI heavy now and probably will be more CGI dependent in the upcoming episodes.

Coming to why they made all titans CGI: production is simply fucked. They had no choice but to make them 3D.
Dec 6, 2020 11:46 AM
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CG can speed up production or reduce costs so I guess it's one of those.
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Dec 6, 2020 11:49 AM
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CG can speed up production or reduce costs so I guess it's one of those.


3DCG is more expensive actually source https://twitter.com/Divinenega/status/1162816661503860739

its just use mainly to speed up the production and to meet deadlines
Dec 6, 2020 11:51 AM

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deg said:
Theo1899 said:
CG can speed up production or reduce costs so I guess it's one of those.


3DCG is more expensive actually source https://twitter.com/Divinenega/status/1162816661503860739

its just use mainly to speed up the production and to meet deadlines

I know cg is more expensive but doesn't the fact that models can be reused make it cheaper in the long run?
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Large objects are easier to do in cg + the Titans (the large objects in question) appear in a lot of episodes + a production schedule that wasn't very good. Also no point in comparing AOT to JJK/GOH since they had different circumstances surrounding them even though they are all made by the same studio
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Theo1899 said:
deg said:


3DCG is more expensive actually source https://twitter.com/Divinenega/status/1162816661503860739

its just use mainly to speed up the production and to meet deadlines

I know cg is more expensive but doesn't the fact that models can be reused make it cheaper in the long run?


well making the models are the expensive part is my guess

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quick google

Regarding 2D vs 3D, in fact, as Quacks says, creating a 3D model is much more complex than creating a 2D drawing, and therefore more expensive.

However, animating in 2D is increasingly more complex than in 3D as the amount of frames increases, because you have to make a complete new drawing for each frame, while in 3D you it is much simpler. Also, making changes, and creating variations of existing data is easier in 3D than it is in 2D.

https://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/59744/what-is-more-expensive-2d-sprites-or-3d-models
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Theo1899 said:
I know cg is more expensive but doesn't the fact that models can be reused make it cheaper in the long run?


This is how I think too. CGI should be easier to navigate and produce when you get going. I think CGI is only more expensive until a certain point of workload, after that, it's both easier and cheaper. Huge productions like AoT should be cheaper in 3D but I don't know, I might be wrong.

Also, SoukiPro from the weebo said this season was most expensive to produce. Maybe CGI is really more expensive or the cost of outsourcing to the other studios made the expenses much higher. They are going to outsource so many things from what we heard so far, a ridicilous amount.
Dec 6, 2020 12:20 PM
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we are used to the titan in 2D except the colossal titan was mixed
Damn it Mappa thats why i didn't want them to get AOT
everything is great other than the CGI
But i cant get it out of my head, the armor and beast titan were so bad when you look at the previous seasons
Dec 6, 2020 12:29 PM
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deg said:
3DCG is usually use for anime to speed up the production since the final season got tight schedule
yeah, imagine if they animate this hand drawn it would look horrible, and the cgi is not even bad and for me i think it looks pretty good
Dec 6, 2020 1:24 PM
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Will it continue in the later episodes...
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They don't look bad so what's the problem again?
Dec 6, 2020 1:36 PM

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Why not? Yes, we'd all prefer 2D titans but nothing about this is bad.
Dec 6, 2020 1:38 PM
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They don't look bad so what's the problem again?

They find anything they could complain to MAPPA. Why not be thankful AOT gets another season instead of none? Yeah?
Dec 6, 2020 1:48 PM
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The weird thing they didn't use CGI with the trailer... all scenes were remade with CGI
Even tho it looked better in the trailer

Why didn't they use CGI with trailer at first place... most of the scenes were replaced

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Yeah, that's true but you know how it is with anime trailers. They are superb for commercial purpose and at the end they try to reduce costs - that's what I was thinking. CGI is actually quite decent in my opinion. I want to believe it's a matter of time as we will get used to it. I waited so much time, nothing will destroy my anticipation for this season.
Dec 6, 2020 2:03 PM
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Attack on titan is easily my favorite show, I have all the blu-rays and hundreds of dollars in cringe merchandise, but I'm not gonna be a cringey neck-beard redditor and say "it looks fine" it looks fucking terrible, as far as I know, the ape titan didn't have a single cg shot whatsoever when wit animated it. I can't even think of one Reiner did either. Now I couldn't see a single shot that they WEREN'T CG, not a single fucking frame, even the close-ups, I know I'm gonna love this season but it really is so goddamn jarring. I absolutely loved Reiners animation.
Dec 6, 2020 2:03 PM
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The CGI is amazingly perfect, don't come here with "bad cgi" it's one of the best in any anime.
Dec 6, 2020 2:04 PM
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You're out of your goddamned mind.
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The CGI is amazingly perfect, don't come here with "bad cgi" it's one of the best in any anime.
Dec 6, 2020 2:07 PM
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While I would have rathered them use traditional animation instead of CGI. However, the excellent use of CGI combined with the excellent direction leads to a result that is pretty good.

Lets hope they still use some traditional animation instead of CGI in other scenes. Although, I won't blame them if they don't.
Dec 6, 2020 2:11 PM
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because the show is trash


You literally rated fma brotherhood with a 1. Were there not enough titties bouncing around?
Dec 6, 2020 2:13 PM

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On some scenes it looks bad very bad. Like when Reiner transforms into a titan when falling. The extremities of the titan look like noodles.
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DamageMaximo said:
The CGI is amazingly perfect, don't come here with "bad cgi" it's one of the best in any anime.


Better than average CGI is still bad and worse than 2d animation.
Even Mappa know it, there's a reason there is no CGI titans in the trailer.
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Macoleco said:
On some scenes it looks bad very bad. Like when Reiner transforms into a titan when falling. The extremities of the titan look like noodles.
Not even the super close-ups were done in 2d, only cg. They should've just post-poned it.
Dec 6, 2020 2:24 PM

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I think it looks really good to be honest.
Idk, after watching berserk, maybe my perception of what is good CGI is always "at least better than 2016 berserk"
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airiiin said:
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They don't look bad so what's the problem again?

They find anything they could complain to MAPPA. Why not be thankful AOT gets another season instead of none? Yeah?


So people aren't allowed to criticize this season or MAPPA whatsoever?

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Kenzolo-folk said:
I think it looks really good to be honest.
Idk, after watching berserk, maybe my perception of what is good CGI is always "at least better than 2016 berserk"

While the cgi is actually good and done well, I'm still quite upset about it as aot lost its unique touch that it had in the previous seasons, but I will take whatever I can, as an anime-only it's better than staying without an ending to the series, and hopefilly the fast paced fights will be changed to 2d animations, idc for the filler fights
Dec 6, 2020 2:32 PM
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TsukuyomiREKT said:
airiiin said:

They find anything they could complain to MAPPA. Why not be thankful AOT gets another season instead of none? Yeah?


So people aren't allowed to criticize this season or MAPPA whatsoever?


That's how I feel, I'm sure most people here want to like this season, it's not just baseless criticism.
Dec 6, 2020 2:32 PM
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MAPPA isn't the ones working on the CG, that is being done by V-sign. (unless I'm wrong)

Honestly though people say its bad looking but to me at-least it looked amazing
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Well what can you do. I think I sort of prefer it than the 2D, and it is easier than constantly redrawing it in key animation. The fact they managed to make it look so good despite all that is sort of praiseworthy. Im guessing they didn't want to go with this choice either since the trailer doesn't have 3D, but I guess its better circumstance-wise. It may have lost its uniqueness but they have always been using CGI for the colossal titan, nothing much changes except that the 3D rendering is a lot better. Adding more to the uniqueness part, it also shone through a lot with its own unique use of voice-acting, animation, transitions and many other sequences. So all in all it is a win, as they probably had to choose 3D but it still looks good.
They still stayed true to the manga.
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It's to ease the production schedule and CGI models are easier to manipulate.

But I didn't expect it to be so good so I have no problem with it tbh lol. If they could make Monke's fur look better I'd be happy but so far thanks Mappa
Dec 6, 2020 6:00 PM
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Idk maybe production issues but I don't care, just wanna enjoy this season.
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Y’all bitching about the cgi clearly haven’t seen shows like gibiate, god eater, and the season of berserk we’d rather all forget.
Dec 6, 2020 7:59 PM
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Large objects are easier to do in cg + the Titans (the large objects in question) appear in a lot of episodes + a production schedule that wasn't very good. Also no point in comparing AOT to JJK/GOH since they had different circumstances surrounding them even though they are all made by the same studio
why it's useless, aren't they both produced by the same studio, there should be justice for AOT from MAPPA
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Mattinator95 said:
Worse schedule/production

The schedule was alright.The production started way back in 2019.

As for op's question it's because they are made in cgi that's it.

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Scordolo said:
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Worse schedule/production

The schedule was alright.The production started way back in 2019.



That's not what that interview said about other studios not wanting it due to the shedule unless it was a mistranslation
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Scordolo said:
Mattinator95 said:
Worse schedule/production

The schedule was alright.The production started way back in 2019.


That's just 1 year, so that's not enough

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airiiin said:

They find anything they could complain to MAPPA. Why not be thankful AOT gets another season instead of none? Yeah?


So people aren't allowed to criticize this season or MAPPA whatsoever?


No they arent allowed

Eren31 said:
can anyone tell me why all titan is made in CGI, even wit studio only made CGI on colossal titan and horse, but mappa made CGI on all titan on AOT shows, it's like unfair even kaisen jujutsu doesn't have this bad CGI like this


For me it's good cgi

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we are used to the titan in 2D except the colossal titan was mixed
Damn it Mappa thats why i didn't want them to get AOT
everything is great other than the CGI
But i cant get it out of my head, the armor and beast titan were so bad when you look at the previous seasons


So you wont watch it?

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The CGI is amazingly perfect, don't come here with "bad cgi" it's one of the best in any anime.


Better than average CGI is still bad and worse than 2d animation.
Even Mappa know it, there's a reason there is no CGI titans in the trailer.


But many people outside mal forum are enjoying that, so it's not problem anymore

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On some scenes it looks bad very bad. Like when Reiner transforms into a titan when falling. The extremities of the titan look like noodles.


Worse than berserk?

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airiiin said:

They find anything they could complain to MAPPA. Why not be thankful AOT gets another season instead of none? Yeah?


So people aren't allowed to criticize this season or MAPPA whatsoever?

When only 1st episode is out and people are shitting for the cgi yes they are not allowed.As you can see a guy said that Twitter and Reddit both are praising Mappa.Why are only mal users are doing like this?

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Yazan_Aot said:
we are used to the titan in 2D except the colossal titan was mixed
Damn it Mappa thats why i didn't want them to get AOT
everything is great other than the CGI
But i cant get it out of my head, the armor and beast titan were so bad when you look at the previous seasons


So you wont watch it?

of course i will
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was that what you understand from my comment ?
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Scordolo said:
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So people aren't allowed to criticize this season or MAPPA whatsoever?

When only 1st episode is out and people are shitting for the cgi yes they are not allowed.As you can see a guy said that Twitter and Reddit both are praising Mappa.Why are only mal users are doing like this?


because on average people on those sites are more casual.

OT:
I hope I can get used to this, because when titans show up they really take me out of the atmosphere. The thing is the CGI is actually pretty good, but hard to get used to.
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You're out of your goddamned mind.
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The CGI is amazingly perfect, don't come here with "bad cgi" it's one of the best in any anime.


I can assure you I ain't, it's just the truth, people want something perfect but perfection doesn't exist, that's as close as it gets
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Eren31 said:
can anyone tell me why all titan is made in CGI, even wit studio only made CGI on colossal titan and horse, but mappa made CGI on all titan on AOT shows, it's like unfair even kaisen jujutsu doesn't have this bad CGI like this
this is extremely annoying, I'm not a fan of CGI and studio MAPPA should've done a better job, they didn't do justice to AOT
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I_Am_Freeballing said:
Why not? Yes, we'd all prefer 2D titans but nothing about this is bad.


I love the changes, Man the vision inside the Titan was TOP TIER!!! We will have TOP TIER close-ups in 2D of the Titans in some episodes I think. Man! I love it, thank you MAPPA.
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firstawahono said:
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Better than average CGI is still bad and worse than 2d animation.
Even Mappa know it, there's a reason there is no CGI titans in the trailer.


But many people outside mal forum are enjoying that, so it's not problem anymore


And many people aren't.
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Y’all bitching about the cgi clearly haven’t seen shows like gibiate, god eater, and the season of berserk we’d rather all forget.

AOT 1-3 seasons without CGI except few scene not like Mappa who put hand drawing in the trailer and change it to CGI in the episode
when you talk about AOT anime you cant compare it to gibiate, god eater, and berserk
it is the biggest anime at this time
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