Attack on Titan
| After thinking for a bit, and researching a bit, i believe this will probably have around the same production quality of the boogiepop 2019 anime for many reasons. First, a lot of what we know of aot happened to boogiepop, boogiepop also had a pre made pv (a great one for that matter which honestly saddens me that we still dont know who directed it), it also had a very hellish schedule and not a ton of freedom (even shingo natsume, the director, confirmed this) and boogiepop also had the character designer, hidehiko sawada, choose NOT to do the chief animation direction. All this made boogiepop, an anime with a ton of potential because of its amazing staff (Thanks to its director, shingo natsume, and animation producer, yuichiro fukushi) very inconsistent with its art and animation. It had quite a lot of moments of great sakuga and genially good animation but it also a lot of stills and deformed designs for time to time. And thanks to this, i believe aot will probably see the same fate, even thought the staff is, in my opinion, not as good as boogiepop, it has things going for it, for example the art director and background studio are fucking great (100 times better than boogiepop´s), hayashi is, although not amazing at doing action, a great director that certainly cares and tries to do his best when working and matsunaga is, although not as good as fukushi, a pretty good producer (Would love to see if he could get keiichiro watanabe, my favourite animator, on aot but thats more wishfull thinking tbh) But again this what I BELIEVE, its not confirmed, ITS NOT A LEAK, its me, a random guy on the internet trying to talk about anime production, something i really like to do. |
VP2003boiNov 23, 2020 1:16 PM
JJ_jose said: Boogiepop is an anime, you can watch some of its animation highlights on sakugabooru, but it was ultimately a let down in the animation department. I havent seen garo, but i found the dorohedoro action to be overall mediocre. What i like most from hayashi is his overall direction and storyboards as he is very creative and tends to storyboard most of the episodes of the anime he does. There is this really cool cut in dorohedoro when the camera spins around a car while time passes, and its amazingly done.VP2003boi said: sorry if this seems uncluttered but I have no idea what boogiepop even is. Also, hayashi not great at action? Bro have you seen dorohedoro and garo?After thinking for a bit, and researching a bit, i believe this will probably have around the same production quality of the boogiepop 2019 anime for many reasons. First, a lot of what we know of aot happened to boogiepop, boogiepop also had a pre made pv (a great one for that matter which honestly saddens me that we still dont know who directed it), it also had a very hellish schedule and not a ton of freedom (even shingo natsume, the director, confirmed this) and boogiepop also had the character designer, hidehiko sawada, choose NOT to do the chief animation direction. All this made boogiepop, an anime with a ton of potential because of its amazing staff (Thanks to its director, shingo natsume, and animation producer, yuichiro fukushi) very inconsistent with its art and animation. It had quite a lot of moments of great sakuga and genially good animation but it also a lot of stills and deformed designs for time to time. And thanks to this, i believe aot will probably see the same fate, even thought the staff is, in my opinion, not as good as boogiepop, it has things going for it, for example the art director and background studio are fucking great (100 times better than boogiepop´s), hayashi is, although not amazing at doing action, a great director that certainly cares and tries to do his best when working and matsunaga is, although not as good as fukushi, a pretty good producer (Would love to see if he could get keiichiro watanabe, my favourite animator, on aot but thats more wishfull thinking tbh) But again this what I BELIEVE, its not confirmed, ITS NOT A LEAK, its me, a random guy on the internet trying to talk about anime production, something i really like to do. |
| i dropped Boogiepop though and nope it will not be worse in terms of AD inconsistency to that anime i believe for me Boogiepop is even worse than OPM S2 |
deg said: I very much disagree on that as for me OPM2 had a lot more negatives like less cuts of animation that i enjoyed (besides the god aoki) way more inconsistent and that terrible CG and compositing still haunts my dreams to this day, but you dropping boogiepop is very much reasonable.i dropped Boogiepop though and nope it will not be worse in terms of AD inconsistency to that anime i believe for me Boogiepop is even worse than OPM S2 |
| I still don't think they would let such a big anime like aot go to waste |
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z7ProSpyce said: The official information says that the production is going well, I will believe that until the launch. “The MAPPA studio was chosen 3 years ago” This is wrong. This rumor is strongly based on an Japanese interview, in which the anime producers apparently quote at the end that they have been planning this season for 3 years. I am not surprised that many people misinterpreted this, as it is an interview in Japanese. It is basically an interview with producers Tetsuya Kinoshita (Pony Canyon), Kensuke Tateishi (Kodansha) and Toshihiro Maeda (MBS), each representing their company; they are the SNK producers. The fellows mentioned say that they decided to change the anime team during the production of the third season, and most of the studios answered “no” when they were contacted, but in the end MAPPA accepted. Jumping to the end of the interview, they say “3 年 以上 か け て 準備 し て き ま し た の で 、 お 楽 し み に ！！”, which means “We have been preparing for more than 3 years, stay tuned !!” That is why many people thought that anime was being made for a long time. Again, this is wrong! The production committee meets to make decisions about producing something long before production itself begins. Having been planning a final season for 3 years does not mean that it has in the works all this time. It is a very important moment for SNK, a turning point, a lot of changes, of course they had planned to do this for a long time. Gintama stayed from 2015 to 2019 receiving new seasons sequentially, as well as Boku no Hero Academia that wins one season per year. These producers were basically intermittent, that is, when one season was over, they started producing the next. Shingeki is the same case. When it comes to animes, many spaces on the schedule of television channels are decided several years before a premiere, often even before having a team for such production. The production committee does not decide what the anime will be like after they have a staff, as they just plan and invest money. The project will happen, regardless of who is going to produce the animation. So… NO, MAPPA has not been aware of the SNK for 3 years. The production committee decided at the last minute to change studios, since Wit would no longer produce it. Most studios rejected the proposal because the time until the premiere was surreal. As I mentioned before, they have been planning to release this since the anime came back (S2 2017, S3 2018, S3 Pt2 2019 and S4 2020), and changing now would be a waste of money, so even with production problems the anime will still come out this year (even if it’s his last month!). https://sakugabrasil.com/en-us/what-to-expect-from-the-final-season-of-shingeki-no-kyojin/ |
z7ProSpyce said: Oh, of course SnK1 is better than boogiepop, that is very much obvious, and i dont really remember season 1 that well but im pretty sure it looked great (i know the character animation was still lacking but still better than 90 percent of anime shows for sure)Eh ... Definitely not, even SnK's S1 is well ... Better than Buggiepop. Much better. I suggest thinking the following, why did MAPPA get SnK if they wouldn't be on the committee to prioritize it? Or because MAPPA caught SnK knowing it would not gain anything from it? Do you really think that if they didn't have the conditions they would get SnK, knowing that the production is delicate? The official information says that the production is going well, I will believe that until the launch. Oh, of course mappa would thought it would gain from it, its AOT for dam sakes, but that doesnt mean that they would choose the best team for it or make the best effort they can, you could even do the exact oposite and say they arent going to put any effort because they already know its gonna give them cash. Being or not in the comittee doesnt really affect the actual quality of the show, just how much mappa will gain from it. Uh, lets be honest, everyone knows the production is on fire right now, even the producers admitted to it without realizing. |
z7ProSpyce said: deg said: “The MAPPA studio was chosen 3 years ago” This is wrong. This rumor is strongly based on an Japanese interview, in which the anime producers apparently quote at the end that they have been planning this season for 3 years. I am not surprised that many people misinterpreted this, as it is an interview in Japanese. It is basically an interview with producers Tetsuya Kinoshita (Pony Canyon), Kensuke Tateishi (Kodansha) and Toshihiro Maeda (MBS), each representing their company; they are the SNK producers. The fellows mentioned say that they decided to change the anime team during the production of the third season, and most of the studios answered “no” when they were contacted, but in the end MAPPA accepted. Jumping to the end of the interview, they say “3 年 以上 か け て 準備 し て き ま し た の で 、 お 楽 し み に ！！”, which means “We have been preparing for more than 3 years, stay tuned !!” That is why many people thought that anime was being made for a long time. Again, this is wrong! The production committee meets to make decisions about producing something long before production itself begins. Having been planning a final season for 3 years does not mean that it has in the works all this time. It is a very important moment for SNK, a turning point, a lot of changes, of course they had planned to do this for a long time. Gintama stayed from 2015 to 2019 receiving new seasons sequentially, as well as Boku no Hero Academia that wins one season per year. These producers were basically intermittent, that is, when one season was over, they started producing the next. Shingeki is the same case. When it comes to animes, many spaces on the schedule of television channels are decided several years before a premiere, often even before having a team for such production. The production committee does not decide what the anime will be like after they have a staff, as they just plan and invest money. The project will happen, regardless of who is going to produce the animation. So… NO, MAPPA has not been aware of the SNK for 3 years. The production committee decided at the last minute to change studios, since Wit would no longer produce it. Most studios rejected the proposal because the time until the premiere was surreal. As I mentioned before, they have been planning to release this since the anime came back (S2 2017, S3 2018, S3 Pt2 2019 and S4 2020), and changing now would be a waste of money, so even with production problems the anime will still come out this year (even if it’s his last month!). https://sakugabrasil.com/en-us/what-to-expect-from-the-final-season-of-shingeki-no-kyojin/ ????????????????? You have serious problems man 😂 Since when did I mention that? !!! 😂 I talked about MAPPA being on the committee and not the interview. Yes, the studio switch was planned a while ago, but I won't discuss this with you. did i quoted the wrong statement of yours? i quoted the production going well part also the chinese animator and episode director says that it takes 6-12 months to make one titan episode but normally it only takes 2-3 months to make an episode according to ANN Answerman plus that same chinese episode director said they started production only 1 year ago |
z7ProSpyce said: deg said: did i quoted the wrong statement of yours? i quoted the production going well part also the chinese animator and episode director says that it takes 6-12 months to make one titan episode but normally it only takes 2-3 months to make an episode according to ANN Answerman plus that same chinese episode director said they started production only 1 year ago I already said, I will not discuss this with you. I said this going "well". "normal" schedule understand!? I'm relying on official information about covid-19 and other things. No matter what you say, they don't have a poor schedule that Wit. Bye lol ok bye nice denial and you like disown your Saluga Brazil community there huh when they debunk that official information about the production from the producers |
Blackkatsu001 said: Please don't start an argument about the production in this thread again, im really tired of this. im not the one who mention the world production first though besides great visual quality is achieve by great talented staff AND great production schedule unless the talent overcompensates for the lack of time |
berutoruto said: deg said: also the chinese animator and episode director says that it takes 6-12 months to make one titan episode but normally it only takes 2-3 months to make an episode according to ANN Answerman plus that same chinese episode director said they started production only 1 year ago just wondering, is the 6-12months average for one episode (with all other episodes-making going on the same time) considered as production issues? didn't he mention aot workload is much heavier than other anime so it's reasonable and since they started production around one year ago, wouldn't that fit with the planning of 6-12months for one ep? but of course idk if that one year time just solely used for animations making or including the planning, script writing, storyboards etc.etc. i am just curious if 6-12 months for one ep is considered a schedule problem as so many people claimed? but the chinese animator seems to see this as normal or perhaps he is just trying to keep fans calm :P well you can read this to form your own conclusion https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2018-03-16/.129066 |
| If we get a trailer 2 and it turns out the animation and art is gorgeous, I'm going to make a thread where all who doubted Mappa will write a 500 word essay apologizing to them on how wrong you were. lol |
keragamming said: If we get a trailer 2 and it turns out the animation and art is gorgeous, I'm going to make a thread where all who doubted Mappa will write a 500 word essay apologizing to them on how wrong you were. lol Lol and I will further add another 500-word reply quoting everyone that said this season would be bad in terms of art/animation. |
keragamming said: If we get a trailer 2 and it turns out the animation and art is gorgeous, I'm going to make a thread where all who doubted Mappa will write a 500 word essay apologizing to them on how wrong you were. lol lol im not gonna join that my bet is in terms of AD consistency anyway and the actual TV show that means overall AD consistency of that |
| Wooooow another one of these shitthreads.You guys don't have anything else better to do than to shit on aot the final season and to shit on mappa huh?If you are so concerned about the animation quality then why don't you join Mappa and fix the animation yourself.You have no idea how these animators are struggling to provide quality entertainment JUST FOR OUR ENJOYMENT and remember this there was no studio willing to take the project EXCEPT MAPPA.I would prefer low quality ending than to have NO ENDING AT ALL.They lose so much of their sleep JUST TO PROVIDE US ENTERTAINMENT.SO STOP SHITTING ON AOT AND MAPPA FOR GOD'S SAKE. |
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Nik03178 said: VP2003boi said: the staff is, in my opinion, not as good as boogiepop 'Hayashi is, although not amazing at doing action' Alright. See you after december 7, after you're proven absolutely wrong. Yup when the animation quality is good and these shitheads here would all go silent LMAO. |
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Reiner_undieable said: wtf you consider anything other than praising mappa as a shitthread he is just saying the situation of aot seems like the situation of boogiepop and this is bot shitposting. First of all answer my question,how can anyone judge mappa when the episode didn't even air yet?And yes all these threads who r shitting on Mappa are shitthreads. |
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Reiner_undieable said: keragamming said: this is accually so stupid that will just make the pessimistic ones nitpick and shit on mappa more, there will be some..well not that good eps and then you will see all the pessimistic saying look at this shit quallity, doing this kind of things will make the pessimistic want to shit on mappa just for the sole purpose of triggering the optimistics please when anything drop we don't want any exaggerating rather it is good or badIf we get a trailer 2 and it turns out the animation and art is gorgeous, I'm going to make a thread where all who doubted Mappa will write a 500 word essay apologizing to them on how wrong you were. lol It's a joke my God I thought it was obvious? Wasn't the 500 word essay not obvious enough? Of course I'm not going to make a thread telling people to apologise. Bababazooka69 said: This time its mappa not wit and i bet you you'll see hundreds of people here bitching about art and animation for every episode. Including yourself, you are not wrong though, maybe not the animation but the art style, simple because it's different. |
| Ah...please no I really disliked boogiepop lol Though to be fair I don’t recall how much of that was because of the animation itself rather than....everything else |
Nik03178 said: Ok fair, my argument is mostly having watched dorohedoro, which i thought the action mediocre, and kakegurui, which wasnt even an action show. I dont even mind watching garo seems like an interesting showVP2003boi said: the staff is, in my opinion, not as good as boogiepop 'Hayashi is, although not amazing at doing action' Alright. See you after december 7, after you're proven absolutely wrong. In the meantime you can watch garo - the animation and realise that you're wrong. |
Scordolo said: Please stop having this unhealthy mentality. Critecizing a show is not a bad thing and should never be, freedom of speach is a thing. And now, are the animators in a tough situation? Most likely, but that doesnt mean im shitting on them, although i dont love mappa because they did a lot of things i didnt like like listeners and abandoned sacred beasts, does that mean i hate the animators there? Of course not im simply judging their product. And when i said i prefered the boogiepop team to this one is just my simple opinion, as the boogiepop team, is actually my favourite of anime, i pretty much follow everyone that worked on the project on twitter, so its obvious i would prefer that one to this but i very much like the team they have hereWooooow another one of these shitthreads.You guys don't have anything else better to do than to shit on aot the final season and to shit on mappa huh?If you are so concerned about the animation quality then why don't you join Mappa and fix the animation yourself.You have no idea how these animators are struggling to provide quality entertainment JUST FOR OUR ENJOYMENT and remember this there was no studio willing to take the project EXCEPT MAPPA.I would prefer low quality ending than to have NO ENDING AT ALL.They lose so much of their sleep JUST TO PROVIDE US ENTERTAINMENT.SO STOP SHITTING ON AOT AND MAPPA FOR GOD'S SAKE. |
VP2003boiNov 24, 2020 12:00 AM
Scordolo said: Considering that some of the sakuga comunity also knew boogiepop would also be inconsistent before the first episode droped, its actually something very normal to do, now if im wrong will certainly say that in the future when the series is either mid way or finishedReiner_undieable said: wtf you consider anything other than praising mappa as a shitthread he is just saying the situation of aot seems like the situation of boogiepop and this is bot shitposting. First of all answer my question,how can anyone judge mappa when the episode didn't even air yet?And yes all these threads who r shitting on Mappa are shitthreads. |
Skjilani said: uhhh sorry i guess? I didnt know i couldnt do it for some reasonVP2003boi said: Please stop having this unhealthy mentality. Critecizing a show is not a bad thing and should never be, freedom of speach is a thing. And now, are the animators in a tough situation? Most likely, but that doesnt mean im shitting on them, although i dont love mappa because they did a lot of things i didnt like like listeners and abandoned sacred beasts, does that mean i hate the animators there? Of course not im simply judging their product. And when i said i prefered the boogiepop team to this one is just my simple opinion, as the boogiepop team, is actually my favourite of anime, i pretty much follow everyone that worked on the project on twitter, so its obvious i would prefer that one to this but i very much like the team they have here If you want freedom to speak you can post that comment in other threads it is not necessary to create a thread related to this boogiepop shit |
| The thing that worries me the most is that the anime starts in 12 days, and we know nothing about it yet. We know more about some anime that starts more seasons away than this one. This just screams production issues, but I hope that I'm wrong. |
kageyomob said: I honestly dont find this shitty tho, dont get me wrong im also not a fan of people insulting each other for no reason, but i genuinely like to talk about anime production with people, you dont have to like too, but considering that the general/leaks is already at 1000 replies there has to be someone here that also likes itAAAH YES,finally when i thought these shitty threads are over,an another one! Repity said: Although that does seem worrying,i do believe others seasons also had just one pv for each, and most if not all were pre made like this one, its just that most footage from those pvs were then reused in the actual show, if this will be the same for this season im not sure but i do believe its likely for some parts of the pv to be reused at least.The thing that worries me the most is that the anime starts in 12 days, and we know nothing about it yet. We know more about some anime that starts more seasons away than this one. This just screams production issues, but I hope that I'm wrong. |
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