| Rengoku vs Akaza (Upper Moon Three) made itself into history as the greatest anime fight bar none. |
| Well, I've only read the manga and haven't seen the movie yet, but we're talking about a shounen fight with superpowers, animated by ufotable with a movie budget Of course it'll be great The greatest however ? Maybe on par with the Heaven's Feel fights |
Maybe in animation and direction, but heaven's feel fights are unique and very well written. Anyone knows if Nozomu Abe is credited on this film too? |
Karnox001Oct 17, 2020 3:21 PM
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thiagofern66 said: I've seen some camrips and it seems he animated the climax/final blow, like he usually does in Ufotable works As usual then. Thanks for the reply. |
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| I saw some fragments that one person recorded with his camera and judging from those several short fragments presenting random stages of this battle I can agree with @k11chi. It was marvelous. Can't wait to buy a Blu-ray of this movie and see the whole movie in high quality. |
AdnashOct 17, 2020 1:23 PM
| It will be great with ufotable animating a shōnen with superpowers. Even in the Manga it was a pretty neat fight. For me it can't be the greatest however, a fight with the characters of a series like Kimetsu no Yaiba can never be the greatest. If i dont like or care much for the characters fighting and animated how can i love the fight aside from thinking it looks nice. |
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Hyrulia said: Saber Alter vs Rider is in another whole level Oh yeah, exactly, if there's greatest fight in anime history it's deffo dat one by all means. |
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| idk i still think kara no kyoukai has some better fights. Mullerio said: It will be great with ufotable animating a shōnen with superpowers. Even in the Manga it was a pretty neat fight. For me it can't be the greatest however, a fight with the characters of a series like Kimetsu no Yaiba can never be the greatest. If i dont like or care much for the characters fighting and animated how can i love the fight aside from thinking it looks nice. i still have the greatest wish they they were given the toaru franchise to animate instead of J.C staff. because man we would be living a different world right now. |
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Kse3a5 said: Kidrocklee29 said: yes it does Fate fights are good but the build to it not as good as Kny to make it more hype What build lmao, Akaza just came out of no where, there was no build for that fight I would say Kirei vs. Kiritsugu or Kirei vs. Shirou has x10 more build than Rengoku vs. Akaza but 0*10 is still 0 If you pay attention to the structure, this is just insane. Akaza coming out of nowhere is like an epilogue story in a completed story. It's like the vs. Diego Brando portion of Steel Ball Run. This is frankly, a masterpiece worthy of nothing less than a 10. |
k11chi said: Kse3a5 said: What build lmao, Akaza just came out of no where, there was no build for that fight I would say Kirei vs. Kiritsugu or Kirei vs. Shirou has x10 more build than Rengoku vs. Akaza but 0*10 is still 0 If you pay attention to the structure, this is just insane. Akaza coming out of nowhere is like an epilogue story in a completed story. It's like the vs. Diego Brando portion of Steel Ball Run. This is frankly, a masterpiece worthy of nothing less than a 10. That's exactly what happens with Shirou vs Kirei as well, but there is a key difference; we know Kirei and Diego Brando since the begining of the story and we don't expect them to reapear once we thought everything already ended. (At least for Kirei) |
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| I humbly disagree. Nothing can beat this masterpiece. Best part starts at 0:30. |
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Karnox001 said: k11chi said: If you pay attention to the structure, this is just insane. Akaza coming out of nowhere is like an epilogue story in a completed story. It's like the vs. Diego Brando portion of Steel Ball Run. This is frankly, a masterpiece worthy of nothing less than a 10. That's exactly what happens with Shirou vs Kirei as well, but there is a key difference; we know Kirei and Diego Brando since the begining of the story and we don't expect them to reapear once we thought everything already ended. (At least for Kirei) I don't think anyone at all cares about Shirou vs Kirei though. |
| The fight was pretty cool in the manga, But I guess the movie made it ten times cooler xd Its a shame that most won´t be able to see the movie until the start of next year or so... |
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| Fights in KnY shouldn't be too flashy like Fate. Fate is about god-like figure fighting with magic while KnY fight is mostly about regular human with above avarage strength fighting immortal demon, it usually more grounded. |
It was just a breif comparision talking about facts. After all you are the one who created this discussion, so you were expecting everyone to say "yes you are right" without thinking that there is no true "best anime fight of all time" because everyone has their own preferences? No hate at all. I am really excited to see this film. |
Karnox001Oct 18, 2020 8:49 AM
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k11chi said: Karnox001 said: That's exactly what happens with Shirou vs Kirei as well, but there is a key difference; we know Kirei and Diego Brando since the begining of the story and we don't expect them to reapear once we thought everything already ended. (At least for Kirei) I don't think anyone at all cares about Shirou vs Kirei though. i am pretty sure alot of people cares about that (me included) |
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| Maybe not the greatest fight of all time( well, would depend on criteria), but surely best of 2020. |
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Tysonsmat said: Considering Heavens feel also came out in 2020, and my goodness Saber vs rider is on another level of sakuga,, its very difficult for rengoku vs akaza to triump that. The stakes in rider vs Saber alter were far greater. Heaven's feel had greater budget compared to KnY movie too. Let both the bluerays come out and you be the judge. Nah, Mugen Train is the biggest budget work from Ufotable ever. Stakes don't get much higher than this fight anyway.. |
| [quote=hazarddex message=60948955]idk i still think kara no kyoukai has some better fights. Mullerio said: It will be great with ufotable animating a shōnen with superpowers. Even in the Manga it was a pretty neat fight. For me it can't be the greatest however, a fight with the characters of a series like Kimetsu no Yaiba can never be the greatest. If i dont like or care much for the characters fighting and animated how can i love the fight aside from thinking it looks nice. i still have the greatest wish they they were given the toaru franchise to animate instead of J.C staff. because man we would be living a different world right now.[/quote hazarddex said: idk i still think kara no kyoukai has some better fights. Mullerio said: It will be great with ufotable animating a shōnen with superpowers. Even in the Manga it was a pretty neat fight. For me it can't be the greatest however, a fight with the characters of a series like Kimetsu no Yaiba can never be the greatest. If i dont like or care much for the characters fighting and animated how can i love the fight aside from thinking it looks nice. i still have the greatest wish they they were given the toaru franchise to animate instead of J.C staff. because man we would be living a different world right now. If only. I just hope they adapt the Othinus arc at least decently. |
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| Imagine calling this the greatest fight when Heavens Feel 3 exists kek k11chi said: Tysonsmat said: Considering Heavens feel also came out in 2020, and my goodness Saber vs rider is on another level of sakuga,, its very difficult for rengoku vs akaza to triump that. The stakes in rider vs Saber alter were far greater. Heaven's feel had greater budget compared to KnY movie too. Let both the bluerays come out and you be the judge. Nah, Mugen Train is the biggest budget work from Ufotable ever. Stakes don't get much higher than this fight anyway.. As far as production is concerned, Mugen Train at its earliest began mid-late 2019. Heavens Feel 3 was in production as early as late 2018 and several animators for both movies teams were also involved in the production of both. One wasn't given extensively more effort than the other and Japanese animators would argue Heavens Feel still looked better. Im hype for the movie too but stop this nonsense about "Greatest fight of All Time". |
EmblemzOct 20, 2020 2:40 PM
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Emblemz said: Imagine calling this the greatest fight when Heavens Feel 3 exists kek k11chi said: Nah, Mugen Train is the biggest budget work from Ufotable ever. Stakes don't get much higher than this fight anyway.. As far as production is concerned, Mugen Train at its earliest began mid-late 2019. Heavens Feel 3 was in production as early as late 2018 and several animators for both movies teams were also involved in the production of both. One wasn't given extensively more effort than the other and Japanese animators would argue Heavens Feel still looked better. Im hype for the movie too but stop this nonsense about "Greatest fight of All Time". Anyone claiming anything from Fate is hovering over this one is in the minority, you realize that, right? Mugen Train's rivals are going to be legendary movies like Your Name and Spirited Away. Movies that have actual animation instead of just CG effects. |
k11chi said: I'm just giving you facts. Saying Mugen Train looks better than HF3 is up for debate but your hype meter is too high for you to see this. Is popularity now the only sole criteria for any movie/shows quality now? Its also funny you mention CG effects as though it were a negative when the producers for Mugen Train claim it uses the most CG of their works. We're going in circles. How about you watch both movies in actual quality and then make an actual informed opinionEmblemz said: Imagine calling this the greatest fight when Heavens Feel 3 exists kek As far as production is concerned, Mugen Train at its earliest began mid-late 2019. Heavens Feel 3 was in production as early as late 2018 and several animators for both movies teams were also involved in the production of both. One wasn't given extensively more effort than the other and Japanese animators would argue Heavens Feel still looked better. Im hype for the movie too but stop this nonsense about "Greatest fight of All Time". Anyone claiming anything from Fate is hovering over this one is in the minority, you realize that, right? Mugen Train's rivals are going to be legendary movies like Your Name and Spirited Away. Movies that have actual animation instead of just CG effects. |
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Emblemz said: k11chi said: I'm just giving you facts. Saying Mugen Train looks better than HF3 is up for debate but your hype meter is too high for you to see this. Is popularity now the only sole criteria for any movie/shows quality now? Its also funny you mention CG effects as though it were a negative when the producers for Mugen Train claim it uses the most CG of their works. We're going in circles. How about you watch both movies in actual quality and then make an actual informed opinionAnyone claiming anything from Fate is hovering over this one is in the minority, you realize that, right? Mugen Train's rivals are going to be legendary movies like Your Name and Spirited Away. Movies that have actual animation instead of just CG effects. I can agree to you're opinion! Popularity isn't equal to quality. The story of demon slayer is more straightforward and simple, if you compare it to fate/stay night or garden of sinners. A regular shounen formula is always more appealing to the mainstream audience. Demon slayer is definitely a good shounen anime series, but just overhyped in my opinion. It's not THE best anime of ufotable, but ONE of the best. It's not only the fate franchise, but there also exist garden of sinners (One of my favorite movie series of all time). Iam not hating demon slayer but it's just my opinion about it. I can't wait to watch both movies. Sadly I can't say much about the fighting scenes, because I only saw 2 scenes in bad quality on youtube (like a small part of the rider vs saber alter battle.. The animations were just... amazing). |
TypeMercury94Oct 21, 2020 12:17 AM
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k11chi said: Emblemz said: Imagine calling this the greatest fight when Heavens Feel 3 exists kek As far as production is concerned, Mugen Train at its earliest began mid-late 2019. Heavens Feel 3 was in production as early as late 2018 and several animators for both movies teams were also involved in the production of both. One wasn't given extensively more effort than the other and Japanese animators would argue Heavens Feel still looked better. Im hype for the movie too but stop this nonsense about "Greatest fight of All Time". Anyone claiming anything from Fate is hovering over this one is in the minority, you realize that, right? Mugen Train's rivals are going to be legendary movies like Your Name and Spirited Away. Movies that have actual animation instead of just CG effects. Lol, do you realize that all the fire and water techniques in KnY are 2D and 3D elements composited together? Ufotables's CG is a blessing. HF3 has more sakuga than Mugen Train, if you don't believe me just watch the trailer. |
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k11chi said: Tysonsmat said: Considering Heavens feel also came out in 2020, and my goodness Saber vs rider is on another level of sakuga,, its very difficult for rengoku vs akaza to triump that. The stakes in rider vs Saber alter were far greater. Heaven's feel had greater budget compared to KnY movie too. Let both the bluerays come out and you be the judge. Nah, Mugen Train is the biggest budget work from Ufotable ever. Stakes don't get much higher than this fight anyway.. Uhm no not really. I’m quite sure every single Fate movie had a bigger budget than this movie, just like the fate tv series had a bigger budget than the kny tv series. I mean, it’s pretty noticeable, right? Just look at Fate’s animation man, it’s literally perfect. |
Xenocrisi said: k11chi said: Nah, Mugen Train is the biggest budget work from Ufotable ever. Stakes don't get much higher than this fight anyway.. Uhm no not really. I’m quite sure every single Fate movie had a bigger budget than this movie, just like the fate tv series had a bigger budget than the kny tv series. I mean, it’s pretty noticeable, right? Just look at Fate’s animation man, it’s literally perfect. The fate movies aren't that high budget works at all. |
k11chi said: Xenocrisi said: Uhm no not really. I’m quite sure every single Fate movie had a bigger budget than this movie, just like the fate tv series had a bigger budget than the kny tv series. I mean, it’s pretty noticeable, right? Just look at Fate’s animation man, it’s literally perfect. The fate movies aren't that high budget works at all. You can’t be this blind |
| Watched both FSN Heaven's Feel 3 and Kimetsu no Yaiba movie in theaters. I loved all of FSN HF's fight scenes so much that I went out and bought the Blu-rays (more than 10,000 yen/$100 for each movie). But let me tell you, the Kimetsu no Yaiba movie's final fight scene blew FSN HF's fights clean out of the water (no pun intended). It's not that the animation itself was that much better, but the art style (fire looked badass) and fight choreography (sword vs. fists) just made it a lot more beautiful to look at. And like I said, I absolutely loved FSN's fights so I'm not putting FSN down, it's just this one was just that jaw-dropping. That one fight scene alone was worth the price of admission to the movie. Honestly the movie up until the final fight was just "kinda" good, but the fight scene made the whole movie legendary. |
TCTriangleOct 21, 2020 9:37 AM
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| Possibly one of the best animated fights in anime history, but i seriously doubt it's the best. The fight had no buildup, Akazawa came out of nowhere and the author decided to kill Rengoku, a character that was barely fleshed out, for shock value. A good fight isn't always about animation. The story matters as well. That is why I believe that Kiritsugu vs Kirei is one of the best anime fights of all time. The fight between Kiritsugu and Kirei was the complete culmination of the story of Fate/ Zero. It was the clash of ideals and philosophies between the two men, who were willing to do what they had to in order to win the grail. That fight tells a story by itself despite having little to no dialogue. Another amazing fight was the fight between Mob and Mogami. Through that fight alone, Mob was able to develop as a character and slowly come to terms with himself and his emotions. The battle between Rengoku and Akazawa had no emotional or story buildup. It just happened. It may be one of the best animated fights in anime, but nowhere near the best for this fact alone. Without buildup, a fight is just two people trying to beat each other, but with buildup and proper execution, a fight could be used for characterization, story- telling, and character development. All 3 of these were non- existent in the fight between Rengoku and Akazawa |
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k11chi said: Emblemz said: Imagine calling this the greatest fight when Heavens Feel 3 exists kek As far as production is concerned, Mugen Train at its earliest began mid-late 2019. Heavens Feel 3 was in production as early as late 2018 and several animators for both movies teams were also involved in the production of both. One wasn't given extensively more effort than the other and Japanese animators would argue Heavens Feel still looked better. Im hype for the movie too but stop this nonsense about "Greatest fight of All Time". Anyone claiming anything from Fate is hovering over this one is in the minority, you realize that, right? Mugen Train's rivals are going to be legendary movies like Your Name and Spirited Away. Movies that have actual animation instead of just CG effects. The thing is, almost all of Mugen train is CGI in case u didnt realise. Almost all the backgrounds were CGI models and alot of sakuga and use of constant camera movement in fights was achieved through the use of CGI, so your point isn't making sense |
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Xesty17 said: Possibly one of the best animated fights in anime history, but i seriously doubt it's the best. The fight had no buildup, Akazawa came out of nowhere and the author decided to kill Rengoku, a character that was barely fleshed out, for shock value. A good fight isn't always about animation. The story matters as well. I agree that story definitely matters, but the movie did an excellent job with Rengoku with the time it was given in my opinion. I was definitely invested, on the edge of my seat, and rooting for Rengoku all the way. Maybe they added some dialogue and character interactions that weren't in the manga (anime-only guy here so I wouldn't know), but I didn't feel like Rengoku "was barely fleshed out" as you said. Would have liked to know more about him for sure, but he had enough development for me to care about the fight. And of course animation-wise and sound-wise it was top-notch. My personal Top 5 anime fight scenes for sure. |
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