| You really should try to find some better girls to date and spend time around instead of toxic girls dude. I don't even think you should get married to be honest. From what I read I don't think it will work out and you're gonna end up wasting money on the marriage and getting divorced. You should probably just leave her and try to focus on patching some issues you have involving yourself. |
But I have seen a darker side to women and it has caused me to doubt that people tale their marriage vows seriously. It’s supposed to be until death do us part and for better or for worse. But it seems marriage is really only until there is a big bust up. Was that before or after you were cheating on your fiancée? If after that's just projection to make yourself feel better that it's the norm. If before it's to make yourself feel justified. Men should be worried because the divorce courts are not fair to men. And men tend to not have any support network because often men become socially isolated in marriage. It’s already been happening to me. My fiancée forced me to cut off all of my female friends. Not really that much. Shared assets get divided but not assets that are for each individual. There is no law forcing married people to have a shared bank account. Shared assets means you BOTH own it. Unfortunately there is a tax penalty in some places where two married people both working are taxed for it which is just stupid. As for custody it usually is equal custody if they live in same area iirc. It only goes to mothers more if it can't be equal for ( whatever reason) because they more often have formed a stronger bond having been around their kids more or have more experience knowing how to take care of them. Of course there are cases of screwups both ways. Not sure if there is anything else you had in mind there. Well you did say you're cheating on her so of course she would if she knew how you act around other girls. If it weren't for that I would say that is her overstepping bounds. You have to earn trust not be handed it and trust is needed for a healthy relationship but only if the trust is earned. Even a girl I was sexting on MAL has blocked me. I sent her a link to my post where I talked about how I got into meeting trans and how I had to cut off a trans to get back to my girl. When I sent the link I told her that I know that this may cause her to want nothing to do with me and that’s exactly what happened. Why would some random girl want to be potentially dragged into a drama like that? You literally told her you're with someone else inadvertently letting her know you're using her. Although some are into it many wouldn't want to potentially be the one to break up a marriage. My mistrust of women really peaked when I was in my early 20s. I was considering proposing to my girlfriend from college days when we got back together. She literally got me to break up with another girl I just started seeing only to betray me in the worst way ever. One day she left her phone in my car. She called me from her landline and asked me to check for the phone. Then as I was about to drop the call she said I could look through her phone if I want as she has nothing to hide. I thought that was an odd thing to say so I did indeed take a look. I found that she was dating several guys. She had their contacts listed not as names but as job titles. And she had notes comparing them all to me. She just saw me as, “Alright.” And she was looking for guys with better looks and more money. I couldn’t believe it! I was devastated. I called her and confronted her. Do you know what she did? She called the police and told them that I stole her phone! I called the guys that she was dating too. Just to let them know I was her bf and to ask them if they knew about me. They didn’t know who I was talking about until I shared her phone number. They all had her down as a different fake name and none of them knew she was dating anybody else. 😢 There are other times I was cheated on but that was the worst experience. Can you guys understand me now why I am concerned that getting married was my childhood dream and is what my religion says I should do but it could all go so horribly wrong and society doesn’t give a shit about it? That's pretty shitty but that isn't a reason to do basically the same kind of things. Haven't you considered that it could be a cycle? It doesn't matter who started it but a guy or girl gets hurt by another and may spread that hurt onto others so wouldn't it be best to end the cycle? Ryuk9428 said: @AngryAkko I feel your pain man. This is why I constantly advocate for a return to traditional society and norms. Because it is the only way we are going to restore balance to this absolutely fucked up gender dynamic that feminism has created. Men and women can't trust each other in today's society and really shouldn't trust one another because there's way too many shitheads out there who are exploiting systems that haven't kept up with the times and properly punish people for immoral behavior. In a traditional society you would be lobotomized. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/05/barbaric-practice-took-the-life-out-of-him/4319835/ https://blogs.uoregon.edu/autismhistoryproject/people/rosemary-kennedy/ http://www.tennesseewilliamsstudies.org/journal/work.php?ID=113 |
Ryuk9428 said: @AngryAkko I feel your pain man. This is why I constantly advocate for a return to traditional society and norms. Because it is the only way we are going to restore balance to this absolutely fucked up gender dynamic that feminism has created. Men and women can't trust each other in today's society and really shouldn't trust one another because there's way too many shitheads out there who are exploiting systems that haven't kept up with the times and properly punish people for immoral behavior. Back then strong religious values were keeping society in check. Now there is nothing keeping society from falling apart anymore. This why degeneracy and hedonism are on the rise. Judeo-Christian values are the basic fabric of western civilization if we are ever to return to that time period we need to restore religion to it's rightful place in society and prevent left from waging war on Christianity. |
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ProfessionalNEET said: Ryuk9428 said: That study is utter bullshit. I one time asked a full time housewife I know how many hours she worked a week specifically because somebody here on MAL tried to claim exactly what you are claiming and she said it was 10 hours a week. Yes 1 piece of anecdotal evidence trumps the meticulous work of a team of researchers. Abusive men is where the law and order part comes in. Throw these men in prison and set an example. If a woman's husband was found to be abusive then we can put her on welfare benefits, but only in the event that her husband is proven to have behaved criminally. Women who just divorce their husband would not be entitled to the same benefits. The problem here is that the arrangement you're proposing would almost certainly give more power to men than to women. Such a lopsided power arrangement would likely make laws (or the enforcement of such laws) tend to favor men over women, including in domestic violence cases. Studies have found that gender bias in the courts is quite common. Additionally, studies have found the police to bad at dealing with violence against women, particularly rape. Also, many police officers are known to be domestic abusers, so I'm not sure to what extent we can trust them to handle domestic violence. The fact is that men are largely emotionally dependent on women. This is often true, I won't argue with that. However, I'm not sure I'd put emotional dependence on the same level as economic dependence. Courtrooms are biased... Against men. https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffivethirtyeight.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F03%2Fdagan-women-prisoners-11.png&f=1&nofb=1 I mean this is just ridiculous, judges and juriors are known to have a "women are wonderful" bias. Financial and emotional dependency are pretty much the same. Either way, going without the person you need is going to make your life miserable. If both partners have something they are dependent on the other for then we'd remove the incentive for broken marriages and families but right now 70-80% of divorces are being initiated by women because the power balance has been tilted radically in favor of women who have plenty to gain and little to lose from divorce. Anecdotal evidence of one person is enough because the work doesn't change unless you create more work for yourself. After the age of 5, kids go to public school and increasingly become more independent every year after that. Housework is stressful for a few years but quickly becomes a lot less work. I've lived in a household like this my entire life, I've seen how it works. The idea that housewives are working more hours than office workers is quite frankly ridiculous. |
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| Wow. This topic is a "Sir, this a Wendy's" moment if I ever saw one AngryAkko said: It’s supposed to be until death do us part and for better or for worse. But it seems marriage is really only until there is a big bust up. I feel this. It definitely has changed, but people have wanted it to be that way. More people are having kids out of wedlock to detrimental results. You got people crying about gender roles and disrespecting the traditional nuclear family. I think there was a long topic about this in this section before. Divorces are more common with courts being largely unfair. The institution of marriage being valued in a thing of the past. Not in my household but it's a sad trend.. [Even a girl I was sexting on MAL has blocked me. I sent her a link to my post where I talked about how I got into meeting trans and how I had to cut off a trans to get back to my girl. When I sent the link I told her that I know that this may cause her to want nothing to do with me and that’s exactly what happened. That's tuff bro. I just started dming a guy on here. My rl gf has no idea. Wish me luck. |
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AnimeFanTalk said: Why that's an interesting quote that I've never said. Wonder what that's meant to do...HMMmmm.Tylaen said: Even a girl I was sexting on MAL has blocked me. I sent her a link to my post where I talked about how I got into meeting trans and how I had to cut off a trans to get back to my girl. When I sent the link I told her that I know that this may cause her to want nothing to do with me and that’s exactly what happened. I didn’t ask to be atttacted to women and trans. That’s just what I am attracted to. Like a moth to a flame 🦋 🔥 But it seems people think that if I like trans that means I hate women. THIS IS LITERALLY THE MOST WILD THING I'VE EVER READ ON MY MAL, LMFAOOOOOO WTF: Am I being slandered, good sir? Edit: Honest mistake, apparently? |
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| Well in my humble opinion i think your approach is what is causing the issue. Like i know you dont think all women are gold diggers but your original thread gave off the air of overgeneralization in part due the the salacious title. An equivalent would be me making a thread with the title "Men are predators" and me backing that up with personal anecdotes on why men are predators. I have had some really fucked up stuff happen by both men and women and I try not to let my experiences cause me to generalize. Now I know you aren't a misogynist but some of the stuff you say can be misconstrued as such, mainly because you yourself are at fault too which you are more than well aware of. Moral of the story is take time to better yourself and try to be more careful with your words but that's my 2 cents. |
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149597871 said: Ryuk9428 said: @AngryAkko I feel your pain man. This is why I constantly advocate for a return to traditional society and norms. Because it is the only way we are going to restore balance to this absolutely fucked up gender dynamic that feminism has created. Men and women can't trust each other in today's society and really shouldn't trust one another because there's way too many shitheads out there who are exploiting systems that haven't kept up with the times and properly punish people for immoral behavior. The current gender dynamic wasn't a result of Feminism, but a necessary change in the system that was required due to the inexorable technological progress. Feminism is just a result rather than a cause here. That being said, I cannot say I subscribe to the idea either. I hate seeing both men and women working themselves to death for the sake of infinite growth and then putting all the blame on misogyny or feminism. Same with the BLM movement, the system is now using the frustration of minorities to enforce another set of changes so we can have an even wider variety of slaves, and all the backlash will be directed at their stupid movement rather than the thing that is responsible for these changes in the first place. operationvalkyri said: A misogynistic thread a day keeps the women away. misogynistic is the new literally I guess Remember kids, thinking is bad. We all understand what misogyny means and if someone labels the thread as misogynistic then we can just use that preformed understanding of the word instead of actually trying to listen to what the person has to say. Let me get my pitchfork, he's so cancelled. Reminds me of the French Revolution and the revolutionary tribunal. Yes, I've been comparing what's happening in the US now to the French Revolution ever since the riots began. As far as the economy goes, I think the only way to solve this particular issue is through robots and automation. Once robots are able to do enough of the work, it will make it so that it isn't necessary for people to work long hours anymore. That being said, I do think we could cut back on the quantity of hours people work. People already spend an incredible amount of time at the office pretending to work instead of actually working and it hasn't caused our society to crash. We might as well cut back on the hours so that there's more free time outside of the office and more productivity during the hours people are there. @ProfessionalNEET I don't know why you think I haven't done the same. I had to read the Feminine Mystique for a college class. I've taken multiple sociology courses. 90% of my professors were liberals and 10-20% of them were radical leftists. What a lot of people on both the right and the left don't understand is this simple principal. Just because something was true of a certain time period does not mean that it was more true the further back you go. For example, a lot of people believe that in the 1700s or earlier, that it was common for women to marry extremely young. I've seen historical TV shows where they act as if the woman is a spinster at the age of 15. This isn't true. The average age of marriage in the 1700s for women was actually about 25-26. Remarkably similar to the average age of marriage today and actually somewhat higher than the average age was in the year 2000. The 1950s had the youngest average age of marriage in our nation's entire history, including if you go all the way back to the revolution. In the late 19th century and early 20th century, women were more "career women" than they are even today. Most women had to work in extremely hard, industrial jobs. The book "The Great Unmarried" for example by Gallichan Walter claims that women in the early 20th century suffered from... And yes he used this exact term... Involuntary celibacy because industrial society was working them so hard in the factories that they had no energy for sex or reproduction anymore. Now Betty Friedan proposed that traditional society was making women unhappy, but the fact is that there is no society which can make everybody happy. You can certainly interview people who aren't happy, but what has been discovered again and again is that despite the small flaws in conservative ideology, it overall does make everybody a lot more happy than progressive ideology does which can be shown by our own society's increasingly unhappy people. Both men and women are becoming more and more unhappy and mentally ill. In the Soviet Union, Vladimir Lenin instituted state feminism and found that fertility rates plummeted to the point that their economy was going to crash if they didn't do something so Joseph Stalin ended up amending those laws in the 1930s. Trust me, everything progressives want has already been done before and failed. The only societies that work are the ones that right-wingers advocate for. |
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Ryuk9428 said: Megatronsmurf said: sooooo we go back to ? women knowing their role in the kitchen and letting the men fight in hand to hand combat to the death to prove their virility for mating rights and social status? Fight hand to hand combat for mating rights? What kind of crack are you smoking mate? I said traditional society not behave like fucking barbarians. Did you see anybody fighting hand to hand combat for mating rights in the 1950s? C'mon man use your brain. If anything we're more like that today than we were in the 1950s. Women are happier and live longer when they stay in the home looking after children. In Japan where being a housewife isn't stigmatized, women's happiness ratings are primarily being driven up by full time housewives and women still rate themselves as happier than men are despite claiming that society favors men and men being more involved in the economy and politics. https://note.com/sumomodane/n/n6b94ad04b0d4 The women who are happiest are "students," "full time housewives" and "retired." Surprise surprise, having more free time and less stress makes you happier. Its amazing that human beings are so easily brainwashed by herd mentality that they've come to see relieving your wife of the burden of having a stressful job as "oppressive." Its true that we men will take on more stress as a result and it will make us less happy but it will provide us with a happy and appreciative wife which makes it worth it. Do this, and you will see gender relations improve dramatically. Tell me, do the men in Japan seem anywhere near as angry at women as liberalized men in the west are? What?? Explain how quoting a single anecdotal study proves the fact that women feel happier in traditional 1800's roles? Happiness isn't even a quantifiable measure, and add to the fact that it is a very mercurial measure to evaluate, meaning that people feel differently based on personal whim. You try telling an independent working woman to go back to being a housewife, and see how well that goes for you. Don't think happiness really isn't as simple as traditional and liberal viewpoints. I know you'd like it to be that way, but it just isn't. |
Crawlie said: Ryuk9428 said: Fight hand to hand combat for mating rights? What kind of crack are you smoking mate? I said traditional society not behave like fucking barbarians. Did you see anybody fighting hand to hand combat for mating rights in the 1950s? C'mon man use your brain. If anything we're more like that today than we were in the 1950s. Women are happier and live longer when they stay in the home looking after children. In Japan where being a housewife isn't stigmatized, women's happiness ratings are primarily being driven up by full time housewives and women still rate themselves as happier than men are despite claiming that society favors men and men being more involved in the economy and politics. https://note.com/sumomodane/n/n6b94ad04b0d4 The women who are happiest are "students," "full time housewives" and "retired." Surprise surprise, having more free time and less stress makes you happier. Its amazing that human beings are so easily brainwashed by herd mentality that they've come to see relieving your wife of the burden of having a stressful job as "oppressive." Its true that we men will take on more stress as a result and it will make us less happy but it will provide us with a happy and appreciative wife which makes it worth it. Do this, and you will see gender relations improve dramatically. Tell me, do the men in Japan seem anywhere near as angry at women as liberalized men in the west are? What?? Explain how quoting a single anecdotal study proves the fact that women feel happier in traditional 1800's roles? Happiness isn't even a quantifiable measure, and add to the fact that it is a very mercurial measure to evaluate, meaning that people feel differently based on personal whim. You try telling an independent working woman to go back to being a housewife, and see how well that goes for you. Don't think happiness really isn't as simple as traditional and liberal viewpoints. I know you'd like it to be that way, but it just isn't. Crawlie said: Ryuk9428 said: Fight hand to hand combat for mating rights? What kind of crack are you smoking mate? I said traditional society not behave like fucking barbarians. Did you see anybody fighting hand to hand combat for mating rights in the 1950s? C'mon man use your brain. If anything we're more like that today than we were in the 1950s. Women are happier and live longer when they stay in the home looking after children. In Japan where being a housewife isn't stigmatized, women's happiness ratings are primarily being driven up by full time housewives and women still rate themselves as happier than men are despite claiming that society favors men and men being more involved in the economy and politics. https://note.com/sumomodane/n/n6b94ad04b0d4 The women who are happiest are "students," "full time housewives" and "retired." Surprise surprise, having more free time and less stress makes you happier. Its amazing that human beings are so easily brainwashed by herd mentality that they've come to see relieving your wife of the burden of having a stressful job as "oppressive." Its true that we men will take on more stress as a result and it will make us less happy but it will provide us with a happy and appreciative wife which makes it worth it. Do this, and you will see gender relations improve dramatically. Tell me, do the men in Japan seem anywhere near as angry at women as liberalized men in the west are? What?? Explain how quoting a single anecdotal study proves the fact that women feel happier in traditional 1800's roles? Happiness isn't even a quantifiable measure, and add to the fact that it is a very mercurial measure to evaluate, meaning that people feel differently based on personal whim. You try telling an independent working woman to go back to being a housewife, and see how well that goes for you. Don't think happiness really isn't as simple as traditional and liberal viewpoints. I know you'd like it to be that way, but it just isn't. I already told everybody that the 1800s did not adhere to traditional norms as we know them. You can mathematically measure literally anything. You can scan a person's genetic code and mathematically measure how angry of a person they are likely to be. You can scan the chemicals in a person's brain to determine how happy they are. Yes people who's worldview and values have already been shaped and coded into them are not going to like it. Didn't need to be told that. If you just paid attention to my posts I already explained everything which makes it incredibly tiring to argue with you over something I already explained. |
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ProfessionalNEET said: @Ryuk9428 If progressivism is so bad, why do you think academics (particularly those who study the issues progressivism deals with) tend to support it? Also, why do you think education in general is positively correlated with embracing left-wing political views? Well a major part of that is because the universities are refusing to hire any conservative professors. As time has gone on the university system has become more and more hostile to conservative professors and they often get canceled by their left-wing students and the administration backs up the students instead of the professors. This is the big topic of a Stanford law professor who got canceled and is now operating a website called "Legal Insurrection." https://legalinsurrection.com/ As for why educated people tend to be leftist. Its because you are only given the leftist point of view in college and the further you go through academia, the more hostile it gets to conservatives and there's a high chance you either won't be hired or you will get fired if they do find out what you views are. Universities have a constant level of threat to them, you know if you speak up in class or write something the professor doesn't want to hear in your paper that you're going to get a bad grade so a lot of people just don't do it. Because progressive policies don't really work, the only way you can get people to agree with them is through careful brainwashing from the time they are children and the way they do this is through white male guilt. They embed in white males an extreme fear of being called racist or sexist, this fear is so strong that it causes many white males to turn against their own people out of fear and they push their progressive policies through by exploiting that fear. Even conservatives are so afraid of being called a racist or sexist that they often won't tell the truth to people. |
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| one thing is clear from what i've heard about and from you: you are not happy where you are. so what is there to do, then? you can continue as you are--you can stand at that alter and marry your fiancee, but at this point you're doing so knowing that you are and will continue to be miserable. that isn't just a choice, it's an active choice. the alternative is to change something to help yourself be happier. i agree with everyone else who says this means splitting up with your fiancee. i know the pressure religion can put on getting married early, but let me tell you what my highly religious mother told me: there are far worse things than not being married. being single in a religious/married society may seem like misery, but you already seem pretty miserable, so what do you have to lose? stop living for what others expect you to be. you lose all the joy of being married when you go into things the way your fiancee and you are. what you're doing is only hurting you. so ask yourself; why are you so willing to put yourself in a situation that only hurts? normally i don't advocate dropping everything and moving far, far away, but it sounds like exactly what you need for a fresh start. sorry if this sounds armchair-psychologist-ish, but it does sound like you're really not happy with where you're at. |
| how can anyone non-trans be into trans people wtf but ok, uh women just like complaining too much, I see nothing wrong with your posts... |
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| You seem to have women in your mind quite often. There's other ways to feel pleassure or spend a good time with oniichan. No need to focus on them alone. We can't make everyone likes us. There must be a few ladies out there into ya. I'm fucked up as hell and still managed to pop a cherry. |
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| @Ryuk9428 (just tagging you for the time being because these quotes are getting too long from cascading on top of each other) Yes, I looked at your other posts on the matter, you don't really correctly address the counterargument which was brought forth by other users. The fact that your evidence is purely anecdotal and completely unsubstantiated by any further empirical research. And about the other thing, your assertion that everything can be mathematically supported is incorrect. And you offer two almost trivial analogies which make little sense to the argument at hand. Not only was that scientifically incorrect, it makes little sense for your own argument. I don't want to delve deeper into this because its going to divert the focus of the discussion. Emotions/Feelings are a very sophisticated biological process shaped by a multitude of factors (one of which is genetic of course but not the only one). The idea that you seem to be putting forward that "Women should be confined to ancient traditional roles based on their genetic code." is a very highly unsubstantiated claim. I challenge you to actually find some research on this matter specifically, because whatever you have right now is insufficient. |
| Oh ye, since I didn't actually reply to the OP. Here's my two cents. If you're looking for advice. You should cancel your marriage or whatever. Spare her the pain and misery, especially because from what you've said, you cannot be faithful to your wife (as being faithful seems to be her priority), and thus cannot control your own desires. Let your woman find someone more worthy, and not ruin her life any longer. |
ProfessionalNEET said: Ryuk9428 said: Well a major part of that is because the universities are refusing to hire any conservative professors. As time has gone on the university system has become more and more hostile to conservative professors and they often get canceled by their left-wing students and the administration backs up the students instead of the professors. This is the big topic of a Stanford law professor who got canceled and is now operating a website called "Legal Insurrection." https://legalinsurrection.com/ As for why educated people tend to be leftist. Its because you are only given the leftist point of view in college and the further you go through academia, the more hostile it gets to conservatives and there's a high chance you either won't be hired or you will get fired if they do find out what you views are. Universities have a constant level of threat to them, you know if you speak up in class or write something the professor doesn't want to hear in your paper that you're going to get a bad grade so a lot of people just don't do it. Because progressive policies don't really work, the only way you can get people to agree with them is through careful brainwashing from the time they are children and the way they do this is through white male guilt. They embed in white males an extreme fear of being called racist or sexist, this fear is so strong that it causes many white males to turn against their own people out of fear and they push their progressive policies through by exploiting that fear. Even conservatives are so afraid of being called a racist or sexist that they often won't tell the truth to people. Why are universities often hostile to right-wingers to begin with? There's got to be something that makes left-wing ideas more appealing to them than right-wing ones. Because they were the primary centers of the 1960s revolutions and it just got more and more radical from there. @_Maneki-Neko_ Nobody is in favor of lobotimizing people, the arguments you and @Traed use are just absurd. A return to traditional society would look like Japan, not literally everything that happened to be occurring in the 1950s. |
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Crawlie said: Let your woman find someone more worthy, and not ruin her life any longer. if you love someone let them free but if they come back to you then its meant to be classic lol |
| jesus christ lol the reason people probably think you hate women is that you make a ton of threads that definitely lean towards misogynistic views, even if you don't directly state it you can't know what someone thinks, but you can draw certain conclusions i guess i honestly just think you troll, but it's irrelevant to most people |
Peaceful_Critic said: Ryuk9428 said: Courtrooms are biased... Against men. I mean this is just ridiculous, judges and juriors are known to have a "women are wonderful" bias. This comment actually really bugs me because if you read the source, that's basically what Neet linked: " Judges and lay people who supported traditional gender roles allocated more custody time to the mother than to the equally-qualified father, but the judges were even more biased in favoring the mother than were laypeople. Only three percent of the judges in the sample gave the father more custody time than the mother." "In both of these cases, support for traditional gender roles was associated with decisions that encouraged women to engage in more family caregiving at the expense of their careers and discouraged men from participating in family caregiving at all." Miller said." I actually linked that exact study in my own thread a while back. I wouldn't say courtrooms are completely for women, as the flip side to giving the child to the mother is having the mother be expected to give up or do so at the expense of their careers. Though what you linked was also, pretty valid. Prison sentences do favor girls. Also, working moms actually report being happier: "For example, mothers employed part time reported better overall health and fewer symptoms of depression than stay-at-home moms, while there were no reported differences in general health or depressive symptoms between moms employed part time and those who worked full time, the study said. The part-time and full-time working moms also showed no significant differences when it came to the women’s perception that their employment supported family life, including their ability to be a better parent, the authors wrote. The analysis found that mothers employed part time were just as involved in their child’s school as stay-at-home moms, and more involved than moms who worked full time." And gender equality positively correlates with life satisfaction: "Utilizing survey data from the World Values Survey and Eurobarometer, we find strong and consistent evidence that promoting gender equality leads to greater subjective well-being. Furthermore, we demonstrate that policies promoting gender equality tend to improve the quality of life for everyone, not just direct beneficiaries of the policies (women). Indeed, men also see strong and significant gains in life satisfaction when the sexes are more equal. That's because the judges are naive. People raised in traditional societies are raised in a high trust culture where they expect other people to be more truthful and honest. The reason why its not working anymore is because they are behaving as if we still live in the 1950s when people are not as truthful and honest as they were back then. Mothers with jobs tend to be healthier and happier than moms who stay at home during their children’s infancy and pre-school years I've already mentioned that if we're talking about the infant and pre-school years, then yeah, it is pretty stressful. But that period of time is pretty short lived and after they start going to school, it gets dramatically easier. And gender equality positively correlates with life satisfaction: "Utilizing survey data from the World Values Survey and Eurobarometer, we find strong and consistent evidence that promoting gender equality leads to greater subjective well-being. Furthermore, we demonstrate that policies promoting gender equality tend to improve the quality of life for everyone, not just direct beneficiaries of the policies (women). Indeed, men also see strong and significant gains in life satisfaction when the sexes are more equal. Does it seem like men are happier to you Peaceful_Critic? Things are terrible right now, young men are the leading demographic in suicides. ProfessionalNEET said: Ryuk9428 said: Because they were the primary centers of the 1960s revolutions and it just got more and more radical from there. And why did the 1960s revolutions start there? Why would college students and professors be the ones to start it? You still have to grapple with the fact that it was some of the most educated members of society that were pushing for them. A return to traditional society would look like Japan, not literally everything that happened to be occurring in the 1950s. I'd be careful about 1) romanticizing Japanese society (I doubt it's much better or worse than the U.S.) and 2) stereotyping Japanese people as being strict cultural conservatives. Besides, would you consider anime, particular things like yuri, yaoi, lolis, incest (heck your profile picture references an incest anime), ecchi, and hentai, to be the sort of thing your typical traditionalist would be a big fan of? I could go into all the reasons why Japan is better but that's too off-topic and this is already requiring me to make excruciatingly long posts. I wouldn't say they are strict cultural conservatives, but they are definitely cultural conservatives. Japanese society is an improvement upon the Western conservative model. They allow plenty of sexual content in fiction stories, allowing for total freedom of expression and prostitution is also kept legal in Japan but they still strongly promote the idea that sex should stay between people in relationships without flipping out at people if they do happen to break this cultural standard. Even School Days is a strong endorsement of monogamous relationships. It explicitly shows Makoto attaining a healthy relationship whenever he stays faithful to the girls and relationships end in disaster in routes where he becomes a cheating manwhore. But Japan is smarter about it than we are. Ultra-traditionalists in the West simply defer to a "sex is bad" mindset. Whereas Japanese society takes a more moderate approach and says "sex is good when its within the right context." Japanese society also does not take a negative attitude towards masturbation which there really is no rational reason for stigmatizing. Because in the context of the 1960s, universities were where people were allowed to express more radical ideas and thoughts that they couldn't express in mainstream society without a stigma. In the 1960s, leftist opinions were stigmatized, so naturally, universities started becoming hotbeds of leftist beliefs. At the time universities did respect free speech but over time as they have become more radical and entrenched within academia, they no longer respect it today. |
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Ryuk9428 said: ProfessionalNEET said: Why are universities often hostile to right-wingers to begin with? There's got to be something that makes left-wing ideas more appealing to them than right-wing ones. Because they were the primary centers of the 1960s revolutions and it just got more and more radical from there. @_Maneki-Neko_ Nobody is in favor of lobotimizing people, the arguments you and @Traed use are just absurd. A return to traditional society would look like Japan, not literally everything that happened to be occurring in the 1950s. You took it too literally. I was saying you having a disability you would be seen as an undesirable of a traditional society due to troubles you would have with any social aspects of a society. A traditional society would not be kind to you. You have autism and you need to accept you will never grasp any society you're a part of in the same way as other people do unless there is a cure for autism, which will place you at a disadvantage in various social situations (and maybe an advantage in a few) and that will be the case no matter what society you're in. You can't seporate thought from action. Thoughts influence actions. If you construct society like the past people will act more like they did in the past but there is a limit to this because change is a natural process for a productive society because adaptation is needed to be sustainable. You can't slow it without using authoritarian oppressive tactics which I loosely was alluding to with the mention of lobotomy. Like Japan as in high suicide rates, high social pressure leading to social phenomena like hikikomori, and high expectations of conformity. Does that really sound ideal to you? |
traed said: Like Japan as in high suicide rates, high social pressure leading to social phenomena like hikikomori, and high expectations of conformity. Does that really sound ideal to you? I think he means more along the lines of women "act" like women , feminine etc. and men act like men, masculine and manly and listen to justin bieber un-ironically because they love his music. or that he just wants the age of consent lowered to 13 . |
KuuroAug 22, 2020 8:52 AM
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| It’s not easy man... Being a man nowadays, you’re expected to do so much and to always take risks and practically debase yourself (sometimes) just to get affection from women. And holy shit...before anyone calls me any names. I’m not saying women should be subservient or should always say Yes to men or any crazy stuff. Being a guy looking for a female partner is just tough. We get rejected a LOT more than accepted. We have to work very hard to try to look good, to make sure we have money, to make sure we’re worthwhile. I understand very well. |
traed said: Ryuk9428 said: Because they were the primary centers of the 1960s revolutions and it just got more and more radical from there. @_Maneki-Neko_ Nobody is in favor of lobotimizing people, the arguments you and @Traed use are just absurd. A return to traditional society would look like Japan, not literally everything that happened to be occurring in the 1950s. You took it too literally. I was saying you having a disability you would be seen as an undesirable of a traditional society due to troubles you would have with any social aspects of a society. A traditional society would not be kind to you. You have autism and you need to accept you will never grasp any society you're a part of in the same way as other people do unless there is a cure for autism, which will place you at a disadvantage in various social situations (and maybe an advantage in a few) and that will be the case no matter what society you're in. You can't seporate thought from action. Thoughts influence actions. If you construct society like the past people will act more like they did in the past but there is a limit to this because change is a natural process for a productive society because adaptation is needed to be sustainable. You can't slow it without using authoritarian oppressive tactics which I loosely was alluding to with the mention of lobotomy. Like Japan as in high suicide rates, high social pressure leading to social phenomena like hikikomori, and high expectations of conformity. Does that really sound ideal to you? Japan's suicide rates are pretty similar to a lot of Western countries. But more importantly, Japan's suicide rates are really highly concentrated among the very old whereas our suicide rates are concentrated the most among young men aged 18-24.  Consider also that Westerners have a lot of ways of indirectly suiciding that the Japanese don't. There is a lot of overlap between drug addicts or obese individuals and the potentially suicidal population but among drug addicts more of them end up dying from overdoses or from heart attacks due to extreme obesity before they can kill themselves directly. In the case of obesity, I will say that most of those deaths aren't necessarily among potentially suicidal people but I'm willing to bet that quite a few are. Among drug addicts though, I think there is a really strong overlap. |
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Ryuk9428 said: Fight hand to hand combat for mating rights? What kind of crack are you smoking mate? I said traditional society not behave like fucking barbarians. Did you see anybody fighting hand to hand combat for mating rights in the 1950s? C'mon man use your brain. If anything we're more like that today than we were in the 1950s. Women are happier and live longer when they stay in the home looking after children. In Japan where being a housewife isn't stigmatized, women's happiness ratings are primarily being driven up by full time housewives and women still rate themselves as happier than men are despite claiming that society favors men and men being more involved in the economy and politics. https://note.com/sumomodane/n/n6b94ad04b0d4 The women who are happiest are "students," "full time housewives" and "retired." Surprise surprise, having more free time and less stress makes you happier. Its amazing that human beings are so easily brainwashed by herd mentality that they've come to see relieving your wife of the burden of having a stressful job as "oppressive." Its true that we men will take on more stress as a result and it will make us less happy but it will provide us with a happy and appreciative wife which makes it worth it. Do this, and you will see gender relations improve dramatically. Tell me, do the men in Japan seem anywhere near as angry at women as liberalized men in the west are? Dude, It's kinda relieving that I find someone sharing such a mindset and opinions, samples like you are extremely rare nowadays. |
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Hillary_Clinton_ said: i think we can all agree any self-proclaimed incel is a loser, No I don't accept that premise. I think sexual prowess is a really stupid measure of a person's worth. I don't really admire "chads" at all. I think they're a major contributing factor to the downfall of society because chad type guys are usually unbelievable mansluts with absolutely no self-discipline. They'll literally date like 5 girls at the same time or fuck a different girl every weekend. I've been around enough of these type of guys in college to know there is absolutely nothing admirable about most of them. Their lifestyle is quite frankly disgusting. And no, I wouldn't behave like them if I had the chance. When I go to strip clubs, I became notorious one summer for never changing girls because I continuously stick to one favorite dancer and only buy dances from her. What this made me realize is that even if I had the chance and even if the environment encouraged me to, I wouldn't even want to be promiscuous. I like staying with the same girl. @Peaceful_Critic Okay but going back to ProfessionalNEET's point. I am just saying I seriously doubt that judges would be lenient if they actually believed a guy abused his wife. |
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_Maneki-Neko_ said: @Ryuk9428 See we got that discussion a few times now and you are just idealizing and fetishizing this imaginary society that never existed except in some cheesy movie like Pleasantville, which actually made fun of the naivity of idealizing that time lol You maybe be better off in a society where your wife might get be shamed (or stoned) for a divorce since you just don't seem to understand why some divorces happen and you don't get the adult approach to relationships. In some cases there had been cases of abuse, in others people just don't fit anymore together as a couple. You just try to force people to stay together, so your little world looks nice and plastic on the outside. And stop being a weeb who is fetishizing Japan. Japan would be a hell to live in. For me because of various reasons and because I'll go insane in a society with that high conformity and for you, they would give a shit about your autism and your needs either. It's funny btw how you argue against societies with overwork attitudes and then you come here, bringing Japan as example... Admittedly its their biggest flaw but you can't have everything. Everything else makes it worth it. Although from what I've researched, things are changing a lot there as far as that is concerned. |
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| Another quick thing to ad. You sound like you're afraid things will take a bad turn in your upcoming marriage and seem to be trying to gather other girls as a backup plan sort of a sefty net but this is self sabotage because it would mean you would be the one to make things turn bad. |
Xelecus said: Ryuk9428 said: Fight hand to hand combat for mating rights? What kind of crack are you smoking mate? I said traditional society not behave like fucking barbarians. Did you see anybody fighting hand to hand combat for mating rights in the 1950s? C'mon man use your brain. If anything we're more like that today than we were in the 1950s. Women are happier and live longer when they stay in the home looking after children. In Japan where being a housewife isn't stigmatized, women's happiness ratings are primarily being driven up by full time housewives and women still rate themselves as happier than men are despite claiming that society favors men and men being more involved in the economy and politics. https://note.com/sumomodane/n/n6b94ad04b0d4 The women who are happiest are "students," "full time housewives" and "retired." Surprise surprise, having more free time and less stress makes you happier. Its amazing that human beings are so easily brainwashed by herd mentality that they've come to see relieving your wife of the burden of having a stressful job as "oppressive." Its true that we men will take on more stress as a result and it will make us less happy but it will provide us with a happy and appreciative wife which makes it worth it. Do this, and you will see gender relations improve dramatically. Tell me, do the men in Japan seem anywhere near as angry at women as liberalized men in the west are? Dude, It's kinda relieving that I find someone sharing such a mindset and opinions, samples like you are extremely rare nowadays. Thanks for the compliments man, its true people like me are very rare. I've noticed that people either seem to love that or hate that. |
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