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| This Is dumb, lost respect for MAL the way they’ve acted with this, get a grip |
MrTacobell said: At this point you're just not accepting of facts, I've already provided the reasons for why you're wrong. Funimation is also the reason other streaming services like Amazon no longer have IR up. Streaming services have become a big part of the revenue for anime, maybe you're not up with the times.Immahnoob said: You do understand that Funimation isn't some kind of small, irrelevant streaming site right? Do you also understand that global markets tend to show their likes and dislikes by promoting or not, certain products? Also, lolno, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, you're promoting self-censorship here. First of all, the issue is that these shows ARE INDEED POPULAR, but if they DO NOT get supported officially, they can't gain anything from that popularity. Second of, if they don't have that incentive, why would they keep on creating those shows? A million viewers isn't going to do anything if they can't also pay you for your work, and the system is intentionally trying to stiffle this, not because of "economical" reasons, but "political" and because of "twsited morals". If you can't understand how that is twisted and bad for the industry, I'm sorry, there's no way for me to explain this in a simpler way. In the grand scheme of things funimation is a small player, the amount of money they make is not enough to change the industry. And I don't still can't see how this cancelation was because of twisted morals, most streaming sites don't allow content that is explicit beyond a certain extent, but there still are places where this content can be monetized and where fans of this content can pay for it, if IR was completely cancelled even in japan i would agree with you that there was something twisted going on, but it wasn't, the western market got kinda fucked but that's all, and IR isn't the first and won't be last anime without legal streaming options in the west(and for people like me who live in places that funimation doesn't work, nothing changed). The cancellation was because of twsited morals because this is most likely a moral kneejerk reaction, that's why. And since their morals are anything but helpful, they're twisted. Also, no, streaming sites don't have to adhere to some kind of hidden rule where they can't have 18+ content, and if that was the case, they could have also came out and transparently said that the explicit content would have been bad since they don't have a "license" to keep up such videos. BlueMaximilian said: BD sales you mean, and no, they've been a very small part of anime revenue for ages now. What matters more is streaming and merchandise like toys, figurines, etc. Something IR knows full well, since they've already started selling them. What matters to the industry are the DB sales in the end. That's why we have quite alot of shows about idols and they still make more. The west opinion doesn't matter and they proved this many times especially with the goblin slayer and shield hero controversy and a Japanese channel Also canceled the show which surprisingly didn't bother the fambase so much (it's like most of them just wanted to flex and meme in the end of the day and not fight for a cause). The whole situation with mal especially wasn't necessary and even tho IR stayed in the top 10 for a good while.That didn't get any response from funimation and only caused problems inside the community and now they are trying to save face by claiming it was all about mal and paying mods and giving the site publicity or some shit like that. The west's opinion started mattering a lot more, it doesn't have to be an immediate change, it's the fact that even MHA creator is starting to listen to westerners that it's an issue, and slowly, more of them will because of the global market. As for the Japanese channels taking down the anime, yes, they were bothered, actually, anywhere you go talking shit about MAL for their changes (eveywhere where sanity tends to win out), there are also articles exactly about that. AT-X still has the show though, which as usual, makes them the greatest Japanese channel. Also, a response from Funimation is honestly irrelevant, it's not like it's necessary for them to actually take up the show again, it's just best if they know what they lost and others understand what Funimation lost. I don't even agree with this being a reason, but it's not without arguments. It's just that you guys are too short-sighted to see. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
solwitar said: You know we can see your list right?Who else gave it perfect score without knowing about youtube drama? |
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| So, I've been calculating the scores, and ignoring the 1s and 10s given to this show, it ends up with a 7.2, which isn't a bad score, but it does seem like (Maybe unintentionally, I don't know) more scores are being ignored than maybe intended with the change. |
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solwitar said: Who else gave it perfect score without knowing about youtube drama? You surely did not. We can see your list :) |
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Yup said: That got a chuckle out of me, not gonna lie xDsolwitar said: You know we can see your list right?Who else gave it perfect score without knowing about youtube drama? |
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matteas said: TheCodiakBear said: I'm glad this Hentai show was taken off of the more mainstream avenues. A lot of people might have watched it thinking its R rated, but found it was actually.... pornography. A lot of people are expressing concern over MyAnimeList "censorship" that is definitely a concern. I feel bad for Myanimelist, a site ran by volunteers to get thrown into this mess. I think if the Algorithm targets these three offenders that would be ok with me. -Duplicate accounts: I don't think should count. -Fresh accounts just made to score a certain anime 10 after a youtuber asks for it. -Accounts that rate everything 1-2 except their favorite anime's 10, I think are also disingenuous. Okay so how is this pornography and Valkyrie Drive, which is also on Funimation, where girls make out, make each other orgasm, are raped by tentacles, etc not pornography? I also disagree that the anime is much more raunchy than the manga. People are just more sensitive when it's a video. The manga: Has textual reviews, nipples are covered, at all times. The anime: Same textual reviews, but spoken with extra visuals and audio to go along with it, fully shows nipples, though maintains typical japan ecchi "no genitals" censorship(barring the uncensored version of the OP). While I don't like Funimation, at all, and like this anime, it is undeniable that the anime is more explicit then the manga. With that said though, given that the manga is still about sex, and reviewing the brothels, given that they went with full length episodes, instead of shorter 10 minute episodes(or less), it should have been very obvious to everyone, including Funimation, of what to expect. |
solwitar said: Who else gave it perfect score without knowing about youtube drama? I gave it a 10 one week before the brigading. It's also pretty bad to see that many others who give it a 10 now, without perhaps even knowing about the brigade have their votes discounted or lose weight. A bad solution indeed. |
Milk_is_Special said: Most of my friends list gave it a 10 along with myself as real users. I def think there's a lot of legit people's scores that are missing here but nothing we can do about it.So, I've been calculating the scores, and ignoring the 1s and 10s given to this show, it ends up with a 7.2, which isn't a bad score, but it does seem like (Maybe unintentionally, I don't know) more scores are being ignored than maybe intended with the change. |
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Yup said: Concerns being ignored has been a thing since I've registered on this site.Milk_is_Special said: Most of my friends list gave it a 10 along with myself as real users. I def think there's a lot of legit people's scores that are missing here but nothing we can do about it.So, I've been calculating the scores, and ignoring the 1s and 10s given to this show, it ends up with a 7.2, which isn't a bad score, but it does seem like (Maybe unintentionally, I don't know) more scores are being ignored than maybe intended with the change. It's unfortunate that MAL has become a bit too big. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| A big thank you to all staff who try to control all these inappropriate actions. It was annoying when I first saw it. And I am sure you guys had it much worse. Thank you for all your time and effort. |
DeathTheKid4 said: solwitar said: Who else gave it perfect score without knowing about youtube drama? You surely did not. We can see your list :) Has it occurred to you that he might have learned about the IR vs FMAB fight AFTER giving IR a 10/10? And once he learned about it, he gave FMAB a 1/10? Let's not jump to conclusions. |
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| Well then, so at the end of the day it seems their "super amazing wondrous algorithm that will solve the horror of an ecchi show actually reaching the top" basically amounts to ignoring all 1 and 10 ratings. Amazing indeed, this makes the already useless Top Anime list even more useless! :D It is going to be interesting seeing how the lists are looking after 7 days tho, when the new scores are calculated. I'm sure there's quite a few shows with scores that will fluctate all over the place now that they are suddenly calculated differently. |
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learnyoursin said: Mondblut said: I gave it a 10 one week before the brigading. It's also pretty bad to see that many others who give it a 10 now, without perhaps even knowing about the brigade have their votes discounted or lose weight. A bad solution indeed. It is unfortunate that some innocent scores might have been caught up in this little meme war, but hopefully any accounts that gave legitimate high and low scores will be allowed to effect the score by being recognized as "legitimate" by this new algorithm. Yeah, but my problem is really how arbitrary it is. Am I the only one who distrusts that lack of transparency? Sure, I didn't let the scores influence my anime habits and enjoyment, but this is more akin to taking control over the rating/rank away from the users. Quite honestly, with that "algorithm" in place I don't see much motivation to vote in the future at all, as I don't know if the vote even counts. As I mentioned earlier, for all future shows, I'll use a binary system from now on, shows I like I give a 10, those I don't a 1 to make sure that the vote has the maximum weight statistically under the algorthm. |
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matteas said: Has it occurred to you that he might have learned about the IR vs FMAB fight AFTER giving IR a 10/10? And once he learned about it, he gave FMAB a 1/10? Let's not jump to conclusions. His list is comprised of only 1 and 10 ratings. Nothing in-between. Hmmmmm |
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PTBRULES said: My Anime List is fucking stupid for even commenting on the situation. Retarded for responding so hostile to people more powerful then themselves. And mostly, for not recognizing their place as a popularity site, not a gospel of anime. 1. They commented on the situation because this vote briganding is against their policy. Previous examples of vote briganding also got removed like with Pingu. 2. Mal was not that hostile to the causes of this raid, but I see no purpose for mal to submit to them because they have a large cult. 3. Mal has its own rules like with all websites. Allowing spam votes ruins the credibility of the top list by legitimate users. These rules are determined by mal. |
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Nobody5464 said: I find it very suspicious that FMAB now has a higher score after these changes. And anyone about to say it’s cause nux fans downvoted it and that got fixed I call bull becuase it’s score never went down from where it was before all this FMAB vs SNK my boy. Both of them were downvoted. After the update the scores of both of them has risen up. |
DeathTheKid4 said: matteas said: Has it occurred to you that he might have learned about the IR vs FMAB fight AFTER giving IR a 10/10? And once he learned about it, he gave FMAB a 1/10? Let's not jump to conclusions. His list is comprised of only 1 and 10 ratings. Nothing in-between. Hmmmmm Okay. I looked more closely and it does look kinda suspicious even though it's not a new account. |
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insanecrab said: So the staff here manipulates scores? Apparently it's easier to simply ignore legit users' scores, than removing non-legit submissions? Lazy; fishy. I wonder what's the point of submitting scores if the staff is going to manipulate when they don't like it. I've heard bad things about MAL before. Never really believed, since I always gave the benefit of the doubt. Yikes... They removed non legit submissions + ignored illegitimate scores by legitimate users. Everything that shouldn't be counted towards the general score has either been removed or ignored. It's the best solution. |
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DeathTheKid4 said: They removed non legit submissions + ignored illegitimate scores by legitimate users. Everything that shouldn't be counted towards the general score has either been removed or ignored. It's the best solution. I'm all for duplicate accounts and bot accounts being removed, but I still don't like the idea of some people suddenly being allowed to decide what is a legitimate or an illegitimate score by legitimate users. If it's a legitimate account, then how can their score not be? Just because it isn't to the liking of others? |
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| Like Quattro Bajeena once said, "I came here to laugh at you" No one took MAL scores seriously before this and now this will only hurt your image. This is gonna be Metacritic levels of "This score counts cause we say so" |
| Anime is saved. When I saw the score before knowing about all the drama, I thought anime was over. And for anyone who doesn't understand how they fixed it, read the post on the main page. It's a legit system that makes sure only real user's scores count. |
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DeathTheKid4 said: insanecrab said: So the staff here manipulates scores? Apparently it's easier to simply ignore legit users' scores, than removing non-legit submissions? Lazy; fishy. I wonder what's the point of submitting scores if the staff is going to manipulate when they don't like it. I've heard bad things about MAL before. Never really believed, since I always gave the benefit of the doubt. Yikes... They removed non legit submissions + ignored illegitimate scores by legitimate users. Everything that shouldn't be counted towards the general score has either been removed or ignored. It's the best solution. I just wonder how they determine "illegitimate scores by legitimate users"... Really, what is an illegitimate score by a legitimate user? That's the level of arbitrariness and lack of transparency that makes the whole situation a joke and makes the MAL stats even less trustworthy than they were before. |
Zei33 said: Anime is saved. When I saw the score before knowing about all the drama, I thought anime was over. Matter of taste, got nothing to do with the matter being discussed here. Zei33 said: And for anyone who doesn't understand how they fixed it, read the post on the main page. It's a legit system that makes sure only real user's scores count. I understand it perfectly, I just really dislike the system they went with. Besides, what are real users? Only those that agree with your tastes maybe? I am enough of a coder to know that the perfect system truly doesn't exist, but this might be one of the worst ways they could've done it in my honest opinion. |
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| I am happy that the scoring system has been fixed. As for now, Ishuzoku Reviewers has average score of 7.60/10.00 , which kinda surprised me. I thought it might closer to 8.00/10.00, because many people who did not participate in that awful voting manipulations actually enjoyed this anime as something fresh, funny and original. It looks like that voices of huge appreciation towards this show were maybe loud, but did not represent majority of Ishuzoku Reviewers' fans (fans, not "voting brigades"). |
Adnash93 said: I am happy that the scoring system has been fixed. As for now, Ishuzoku Reviewers has average score of 7.60/10.00 , which kinda surprised me. I thought it might closer to 8.00/10.00, because many people who did not participate in that awful voting manipulations actually enjoyed this anime as something fresh, funny and original. It looks like that voices of huge appreciation towards this show were maybe loud, but did not represent majority of Ishuzoku Reviewers' fans (fans, not "voting brigades"). I was also speculating that 8.1 - 8.3 or something would be rather realistic and acceptable. I've been following the stats for a few days now and even now it rains down 10/10s while the ratio between legit and fake account 10/10 votes seems to be 6 to 4 in favor of the legit users at the very least. But supposedly they deemed those votes by legit accounts illegitimate... since we all know anyone giving it a 10 is here for the meme... right? Edit: just analyzed the last 10 10/10s on the stats page... 7 were legit users, 3 were fake users made today. I guess I'm more reliable than the "algorithm". |
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RobinJoh said: DeathTheKid4 said: They removed non legit submissions + ignored illegitimate scores by legitimate users. Everything that shouldn't be counted towards the general score has either been removed or ignored. It's the best solution. I'm all for duplicate accounts and bot accounts being removed, but I still don't like the idea of some people suddenly being allowed to decide what is a legitimate or an illegitimate score by legitimate users. If it's a legitimate account, then how can their score not be? Just because it isn't to the liking of others? No, because it came from a vote brigading like what happened with Ishuzoku. |
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Milk_is_Special said: So, I've been calculating the scores, and ignoring the 1s and 10s given to this show, it ends up with a 7.2, which isn't a bad score, but it does seem like (Maybe unintentionally, I don't know) more scores are being ignored than maybe intended with the change. I don't think u can calculate the score from stats anymore with IR. If you read Kineta's Announcement on it, they didn't ignore all 10s and all 1s. For me it seemed like they left those at least that were scored before voting brigade. IR didn't have many 1s before this started at all and still nice amount of 10s so that's why it's 7.6 now not 7.2 I believe. |
Red_Ranger_Wien said: Like Quattro Bajeena once said, "I came here to laugh at you" No one took MAL scores seriously before this and now this will only hurt your image. This is gonna be Metacritic levels of "This score counts cause we say so" He also said: The Titans have started a battle disregarding the lives at this assembly. See for yourselves the brutality of the actions they take. They place themselves above the regular Earth Federation Forces and label anyone who opposes them evil doers. But, their own arrogance is the greatest evil; they will be the ruin of humanity! (Note that Titans could be easily applicable to Youtubers who abuse their powers and their easily influenced followers, although admittedly on a smaller scale) And now on a more serious note, I left this thread last night and refrained from coming back here since, it was a nice break. I just have to say how happy I am some of this was resolved (it was refreshing to check on Chihayafuru today). I see nothing wrong with the new measures, evidently they are necessary for keeping this site a lot less susceptible to influences from varying causes (vote brigades, raids, bots, trolls, etc.) I would argue that if no one thought to take advantage end exploit the system here, this would not be needed. But as it seems, since there are some youtubers who put their own selfish whims above other people's peace and quiet, this is not the case. Of course there are also earlier similar situations so all in all I see no other way they could have done it. Hope this will all quiet down and disappear from everywhere but here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_brigading |
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| As if shitty youtubers like DigiBro influencing their viewers to make shit like Arifureta get 1 scores isnt the same thing, and in this case you guys dont do any shit. But when its the reverse that "threatens" your elitists animes high scores ranking you guys act. This is censorship and it's completely biased. |
jc9622 said: Oh, thank god this hentai went back to its rightful place. A hentai should not even be in the top 50 to begin with so I'm glad they put a more legitimate system to counter the no life losers from giving this a 10. I just looked at the Top Anime page and I smiled. If it was any other show which was vote brigaded instead of IR would you support it? Cause you put a lot of emphasis on the fact that it was a "HENTAI" anime that came into the top ten. |
Jio_Inzagi said: As if shitty youtubers like DigiBro influencing their viewers to make shit like Arifureta get 1 scores isnt the same thing, and in this case you guys dont do any shit. But when its the reverse that "threatens" your elitists animes high scores ranking you guys act. This is censorship and it's completely biased. Digibro gives his genuine opinions about the show. Sure he can be a little shit at times , but not like the one Nux Taku was while giving the link of the page of this anime on MAL and telling his viewers to rate it 10/10. Digibro never did that , did he? |
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