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should the score descriptions be change?
Jan 7, 2020 3:23 AM
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i suggest this descriptions

10 masterpiece
9 amazing
8 great
7 very good
6 good
5 average
4 bad
3 very bad
2 awful or hateful or painful
1 horrible

this is what MAL has at the moment
10 masterpiece
9 great
8 very good
7 good
6 fine
5 average
4 bad
3 very bad
2 horrible
1 appalling

i reference some of it on the IGN new scoring descriptions btw here https://youtu.be/y6HYAOYVWXU



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Jan 7, 2020 8:15 AM
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It doesn't change anything but still I agree with this suggestion
Jan 7, 2020 10:09 AM
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There is no need to implement this since they're is nothing wrong with the current score names.
The word elitist is stupid since it's just used by people who can't defend their favorite shows and use it on people who criticize their favorite shows.
Jan 7, 2020 10:37 AM
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GreenClock said:
There is no need to implement this since they're is nothing wrong with the current score names.


my thinking is that fine (6) is so similar to good (7) and that 8 and 9 score descriptions needs some better descriptions like how IGN does it since "very good" as 8 is somewhat lacking that impact, also appalling is not that of a common word?
Jan 7, 2020 10:42 AM
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Yeah who the hell uses the word appalling

plz @ me
Jan 7, 2020 10:44 AM
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024 said:
Yeah who the hell uses the word appalling


it might be some political correctness stuff lol
Jan 7, 2020 10:45 AM
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I’m quite happy with the current score description. Their current descriptions are the ones that I think best suit them and are similar to what my thought process of what a 6 and so on is. Although, I doubt I would lose any sleep if your changes were implemented.
Jan 7, 2020 10:57 AM
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I don't mind but what is even a point?
Most MAL users don't use full scale or even abide by score description anyway.
Jan 7, 2020 10:59 AM
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Xstasy said:
I don't mind but what is even a point?
Most MAL users don't use full scale or even abide by score description anyway.


well for those people that uses the score descriptions like im starting doing now i would like this changes

if most people do not use it then most will not mind this suggestion too
Jan 7, 2020 11:03 AM
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I mean I wouldn't be against it but I'm not sure how much it really matters. At the end of the day it's still the exact same 1-10 scale regardless of what words you put beside them, and people will always end up using said scale however they feel like themselves
Jan 7, 2020 11:06 AM

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ok i change the last poll option to this "neutral (im fine either way) "
Jan 7, 2020 1:45 PM

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I'm against proposed change because the difference is insignificant, and there will be people unhappy with the change who will want to go back to old words or get something different this time. Waste of time and manpower either way.
If you don't agree with MAL's choice of words, you can just put on your profile what each score means to you, a lot of people did something like this.
I'm watching anime since 2012. I also play games, sometimes.

Don't bother me if you want to 'become friends' or things like that.
It's tiresome. I know you just want to collect some meaningless numbers.
Thought: How many people sparked H. Charlotta just for blue pot?
Jan 7, 2020 2:51 PM
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Whatever scoring system IGN has.
Jan 7, 2020 3:01 PM
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for me fine seems too similar to average and the jump between great and masterpiece is too big.
Awful and horrible also sound too similar. Appalling makes quite a distinction between a score of 1 and 2.

so I'm quite taken with your suggestion
Jan 7, 2020 3:14 PM

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I don't really care for the most part, but "average" has always meant fuck all on the scale.
Sieg Zeon!
Jan 7, 2020 4:26 PM

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Hakaminah said:
I'm against proposed change because the difference is insignificant, and there will be people unhappy with the change who will want to go back to old words or get something different this time. Waste of time and manpower either way.
If you don't agree with MAL's choice of words, you can just put on your profile what each score means to you, a lot of people did something like this.


this is so easy to implement it will only take 1 manpower and 5 minutes at most to do

plus if majority of people do not care about this then it will at least benefit us that uses the score descriptions the right way

@Korishi

how about awful be change to hateful or painful?
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Jan 8, 2020 1:29 AM
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@deg Horrible, dreadful and awful are synonymous. Even painful doesn't do justice imo. So I still think appalling gives me the worst feeling, but I do prefer your higher score replacements

Those three suggestions for score of 2 would work if appalling was kept as 1
Jan 8, 2020 3:59 AM

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deg said:
the right way

And with that small bit your suggestion became completely invalid. Congratulations.
I'm watching anime since 2012. I also play games, sometimes.

Don't bother me if you want to 'become friends' or things like that.
It's tiresome. I know you just want to collect some meaningless numbers.
Thought: How many people sparked H. Charlotta just for blue pot?
Jan 8, 2020 4:17 AM
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Meh. Seems exactly the same to me. Perhaps it would be better for there to be no description at all.
Jan 8, 2020 4:35 AM

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Hakaminah said:
deg said:
the right way

And with that small bit your suggestion became completely invalid. Congratulations.


i should have said the default way then and not the right way
Jan 8, 2020 9:00 AM

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No good reason to change anything. Same problem as with the previous system: Too many descpriptions. In fact I can't even really differentiate between "a little bit shit" and "a little bit more shit" and "a lot of shit" (scores 3, 2, 1) - and I'd be even okay if there was only 1,3 ,5 (no 2 and 4 to use) and some more score options at the top.

But they won't change anything.

As for the descriptions at least less could be used. And I won't vote a yes (I'm neutral here ... both versions are crap the existing one and the one suggested) unless it is something like:

1 description
2
3 description
4
5
(des ription)
6
7
8 description
9
10 description

That would totally be enough. (Maybe then more people would care about descriptions. In fact I'm using - as most others - my own system mapped to the 1-10 at MAL atm.)

Edit: The 6 as "fine" seems a bit problematic though ... if you change that and people really use it strictly according to the descripton. (+ the 7 if this gets a bit better as well.) "fine" seems more like "okay-ish" and a "good" would make it sound better with the new desciptions and people might need to change their scores and get unhappy - if they previously cared a lot about the definitions.

In fact doing the opposite would be better. ;) (Fine at 7 and then good, great, masterpiece or something like that. Then less people would criticize that people with meanscore 6-7 are scoring too high or are "too easy to entertain" - if they mostly liked only "fine" stuff.)
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Jan 14, 2020 8:55 AM

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It doesn't really help with people who don't use the descriptions like me. I just use the scores to rank all my series comparatively.

To me, the score only tells me level of enjoyment, but it has nothing to do with the level of quality (what the score descriptions are).
Jan 14, 2020 12:28 PM

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I don't think inconsequential changes will ever occur and 6 shouldn't be considered good.
Jan 14, 2020 1:07 PM

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I am appalled by this horrible suggestion. The descriptions are fine as they are. They don't have to be great or a masterpiece. As long as the average Joe understands them it's a good indicator. They're not bad, much less very bad. In fact I'd say that they're in general very good.
Jan 14, 2020 1:17 PM

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Orhunaa said:
I am appalled by this horrible suggestion. The descriptions are fine as they are. They don't have to be great or a masterpiece. As long as the average Joe understands them it's a good indicator. They're not bad, much less very bad. In fact I'd say that they're in general very good.


*claps* that wordplay for the score descriptions was sugoi
Jan 14, 2020 11:36 PM

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Orhunaa said:
I am appalled by this horrible suggestion. The descriptions are fine as they are. They don't have to be great or a masterpiece. As long as the average Joe understands them it's a good indicator. They're not bad, much less very bad. In fact I'd say that they're in general very good.

Yep, I will rate your comment as masterpiece.

Anyway, I don't get how 5 is avarage since in the 1 to 10 scale the actual avarage is 5.5
heh.
Jan 15, 2020 8:37 AM
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10: best and 1: worst would suffice and it won't throw arbitrary descriptions in your face.
Jan 15, 2020 9:19 AM

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And just like IGN, MAL users use only the 7 and up scores. I would rather have them all changed and instead of having 4 different ratings implying the anime was bad only have 2, 2-bad 1-terrible, and have 3 and up being positive scores.
Jan 15, 2020 6:49 PM

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The system the way it is alright although I've never really been a fan of 6's description being "fine" since that can be used as a really high grade compliment like how something can be a "fine wine" or how it's sometimes used in such a way that it means something is just serviceable like "eh it's fine"

I'm for ridding "fine" and moving 9,8, and 7 down a spot like you did and adding "amazing" for 9 but I like the way 1-5 is currently.


Edit~~ Also I use the word appalling :( I've always though of it as fun to use lol
Jan 15, 2020 7:27 PM

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i actullat really enjoy the score descriptions, so ya
Jan 16, 2020 1:14 AM

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No need to change score descriptions. Nothing's gonna change even if you change the descriptions.
Jan 16, 2020 8:41 PM
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I don't consider 6/10 good at all. 6/10 is a not bad or decent (and sometimes pretty good).

It would probably be better without descriptions. The numbers are up to interpretation of the user. But the current description is closest to my own use.
Jan 16, 2020 10:30 PM

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utterly pointless. and if the descriptions were to be changed, which if i wasn't clear enough already, i don't think they should be, it should be done in a more scientific way.

UK: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2018/10/02/how-good-good

US: https://today.yougov.com/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2018/10/11/how-good-good
Jan 17, 2020 1:12 AM

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I would say I'm neutral, but lean slightly towards yes.

The thing is, I think no matter how they change the descriptions, there's no way everyone is going to be happy with them. It's also not the most important thing to be focusing on. But, if they had nothing better to be working on, then sure, I'd say go for it. But there are just so many other things that would need to take priority over this.

At the same time, it really would not take that much energy to change, would it? So, yeah, neutral/yes.

My main problem with the current description is this part:

8 very good
7 good
6 fine

5 average
4 bad
3 very bad
2 horrible


It makes no sense.

5 is neutral, so 6 & 4 should be opposites, 7 & 3 should be opposites, and 8 & 2 should be opposites.

If 7 is good, then 3 should be bad. Why is 3 "very bad" if 7 is just "good" and not "very good"?

The problem is 6 says "fine" and there is not an opposite for 6 in this list. 6's opposite is 4, and yet 4 says "bad" which is the opposite of good, not the opposite of fine.

The opposite of fine, in my opinion, is "poor".

So, I'd redo this part of the list like this:

8 very good
7 good
6 fine

5 average
4 poor
3 bad
2 very bad


Strictly just so that it actually makes sense with 6's opposite being 4, 7's opposite being 3, and 8's opposite being 2, since they all center around 5 being average.

The list you propose does fix the issue though, by removing "fine" and going straight for "good" and keeping the opposites in-tact. 2 being awful is okay, but "painful" or "hateful", not so much...
I don't see 7 as "very good", it's only good, but that's just my opinion and goes back to the whole "you can't please everyone" thing.
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Jan 17, 2020 3:37 AM

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yep this suggestion will only take like 5 minutes at most by 1 person programmer lol so this change is so easy to implement

i just want better defaults since ye a lot of people have different score descriptions anyway but for the people like me that uses the defaults then i like this change to be implemented
Jan 18, 2020 2:27 PM
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@Kiyomice

yep this suggestion will only take like 5 minutes at most by 1 person programmer lol so this change is so easy to implement

i just want better defaults since ye a lot of people have different score descriptions anyway but for the people like me that uses the defaults then i like this change to be implemented


why do you bother with using the defaults if you'd rather to it another way?
Jan 18, 2020 9:18 PM

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I suggest allowing .5 scoring because i personally there are many anime that don't fit within the same levels of just simply 4 or 6. Some are inbetween and i'd agree the naming could be changed around.

This is how i try and do it even if some think its "harsh":

10:Masterful
9.5:Incredible
9:Exceptional
8.5:Splendid
8:Significant
7.5:Enjoyable
7:Competent
6.5:Adequate
6:Average
5.5:Plain
5:Medicure
4.5:Boring
4:Dreadful
3.5:Distasteful
3:Terrible
2.5:Horrible
2:Appealing
1.5:Atrocious
1:Rubbish
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I classify myself as an above moderate anime advocate with more than likey different tastes than yours.

I've scrolled through many MAL favorite lists and the amount of plebeian nonsense i've seen is astounding to me. Honestly bringing anime mainstream i feel ultimately will be its downfall but i'm not dumb enough to think it wasn't beneficial in some ways as well.

MALs "top anime list" i feel is a joke and if you feel different i'm not gonna stop you, just don't shove the "holy" FMA:B down my throat and were good.
Jan 18, 2020 9:24 PM

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deg said:
@Kiyomice

yep this suggestion will only take like 5 minutes at most by 1 person programmer lol so this change is so easy to implement

i just want better defaults since ye a lot of people have different score descriptions anyway but for the people like me that uses the defaults then i like this change to be implemented


why do you bother with using the defaults if you'd rather to it another way?


i do not want to do it another way? im just suggesting to change the defaults and if others that use the defaults agrees with me
Jan 26, 2020 12:52 AM

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Let us be honest for a moment and just admit to ourselves that the actual ratings that this site goes by are these:

10. Great
9. Good
8. Decent
7. Mediocre
6. Poor
5. Bad
4. Abysmal
3. Worse than Hitler
2. Cthulhu has awoken
1. Abandon all hope ye mortals who desire to live without fear of becoming sacrificial lambs. For he who waits beneath the darkness and makes the Gods themselves scream in fear has come. The universe trembles as the eighth mouth of the seven mouths of the apocalypse begins to scream the curse that ends all existence. Hail Satan.



I mean seriously. It's an open secret that MAL ratings are inflated. Even absolute hot garbage like "My Sister, My Writer" has a rating of 5, making it technically an "Average Anime". Yet MSMW is actually one of worst rated shows of 2018, being a textbook case of 'seasonal trash'.
The_WalkerJan 26, 2020 2:40 AM
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What the hell did they do with scores??? No, I don't want or like symbols at all! Give me my . decimal precision score system back! 😱😩😫 It's just so satisfying to see that 9.256457854 rather than this shit - 🍭🍩🍬🍨🍧⭐🔥⚡❄️☃️⛄☄️🎆🎇✨🎉🏆🎖️🎊🏅🥇🥈🥉 and what not...!!! 😭😭😭

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