Chihayafuru
HaXXspetten said: Yep, LotGH and Gintama suffer too much from botting. I highly doubt it but hope that the solution MAL comes up with is efficient enough.Byniavo said: LotGH has even more percentage downvotes than any Gintama entry so no they wouldn't get past that, but yes they will also be high up there. The 2015 Gintama season will probably be third on the site at worst from what I can see comparing their stats pagesI'm pretty sure most seasons of Gintama will surpass all of the aforementioned top series |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| It has been over a month since it started. I would like to know why it still hasn't been dealt with. It isn't a rocket science and I don't buy it would take as much time and effort as administrators try to make us believe. |
MehmetY said: cchigu said: Yep, LotGH and Gintama suffer too much from botting. I highly doubt it but hope that the solution MAL comes up with is efficient enough. Even it hasn't too many users I think RAL's scores are more accurate for TOP 150 since there is no bot accounts.  Thanks for sharing. This is very interesting, but since both sample should be from the same distribution, I am quite surprised by the big variance for Aria (+0.53). Do you think that this is because the fanbase is small or because of haters (I indeed notice 1.8% of1/10 while the rate is <0.5% for many top shows, with a clear anomaly of 0.9% for SnK S3P2). I would be quite surprised that a peaceful slice of life like Aria be the target of haters, but after the Chihayafuru case, I start to believe that everything is possible concerning score manipulation. Otherwise, I understand the big difference with KnY because of the hype of this year, but to see Code Geass R2 at the same level as Symphogear XV (and R1) makes me wonder about the relevance of RAL's scores. I guess that my hypothesis on the distributions is flawed somewhere. By the way, you should have said that Chihayafuru 3 is 8.72 (+1.62 comparing with today's Chihafuru's score). I wanted to add an exclamation mark, but I am afraid that haters will interpret them as factorials... I am also glad to see my favorite show with a 8.90 score, just the same as MAL when it was airing (8.89 if I recall correctly, so it confirms some haters move). @Linaeris If just one guy is working alone a few hours a week on these issues, it might take months to be solved. Rocket science is faster because people need to finish their papers before all sorts of deadlines, even forgetting the self-imposed ones :-) I just hope that it will be before New Year's Eve blackhole and in the worst case before the end of Chihayafuru's airing. |
| @Meusnier Almost 3 weeks ago I wrote that it was more less 2 weeks since it started and that I wouldn't mind waiting another 2 weeks believing that admins would deal with the problem within that period of time. Since then we didn't have many new bots so dealing with the issue shouldn't be a problem even if they had to do it one by one (which shouldn't be a problem since the span of time wasn't that big, Chihayafuru 3 didn't have 200k users, bots name patterns were rather easy as well as time of account creation and their anime title lists and scores... heck they are even listed here) provided that they were actually doing it. If it was just one guy with a few hours a week of spare time it should be that much easier to deal with. As far as I remember dealing with illegitimate accounts back when the forum thread was still open usually took up to few days - to actually delete the ones that were reported (and they were for different reasons on a daily basis so checking them and deciding whether to delete them was harder and more time-consuming). If admins aren't going to do anything with the ones already existing at all or at least until devs implement their magical device I wouldn't count on it to be done this year (btw "this year" for most of anime industry doesn't end on 31st of December) or any time soon for that matter. People simply want to get a few simple answers ("Yes" or "No") for a few simple questions. |
LinaerisDec 11, 2019 3:06 PM
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Linaeris said: @Meusnier Almost 3 weeks ago I wrote that it was more less 2 weeks since it started and that I wouldn't mind waiting another 2 weeks believing that admins would deal with the problem within that period of time. Since then we didn't have many new bots so dealing with the issue shouldn't be a problem even if they had to do it one by one (which shouldn't be a problem since the span of time wasn't that big, Chihayafuru 3 didn't have 200k users, bots name patterns were rather easy as well as time of account creation and their anime title lists and scores... heck they are even listed here) provided that they were actually doing it. If it was just one guy with a few hours a week of spare time it should be that much easier to deal with. As far as I remember dealing with illegitimate accounts back when the forum thread was still open usually took up to few days - to actually delete the ones that were reported (and they were for different reasons on a daily basis so checking them and deciding whether to delete them was harder and more time-consuming). If admins aren't going to do anything with the ones already existing at all or at least until devs implement their magical device I wouldn't count on it to be done this year (btw "this year" for most of anime industry doesn't end on 31st of December) or any time soon for that matter. People simply want to get a few simple answers ("Yes" or "No") for a few simple questions. From what I understood from admins answers, they will not manually delete false accounts any more and just wait for the general solution to solve all issues. We should just wait for a miracle. |
| The average score if you leave out all the 1's is now 8.87 . |
| Why this shit isn't fixed yet? C'mon 22.2% of score 1, just how pathetic someone can be for using bots because they dislike a show... |
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| Lmao its so obvious that the mal score dont match on the quality of this anime Chihayafuru is so good that it dont deserve a 6+ rating Pity to those downvoting this great anime its so rare this day to have this kind of shows with great story and character development |
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SapphyeePH said: Lmao its so obvious that the mal score dont match on the quality of this anime Chihayafuru is so good that it dont deserve a 6+ rating Pity to those downvoting this great anime its so rare this day to have this kind of shows with great story and character development But those people aren't actually people, they are bots being used by some individuals from other anime fandom.. Score 1 with 22.2% voters from an anime that doesn't really have many downside is probably the very obvious proof.. |
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| wow i had no idea that such thing even exists... creating bots to downvote a cartoon on a cartoon website? lol very serious business even though i dont' care about the rating itself i hope they do something about the issue because like who wants to have an account on a site where such clownery allowed, i'm too old for that |
| see you, space cowperson . . . |
| Alright, confirmed. We humans can stoop even lower. Well played, anime community. On a scale of 1 to "Down-voting-a-great-show-because-I-have-no-life", how petty can you be? Haven't really watched the series, but heard lots of good stuffs about it. |
MehmetY said: Even it hasn't too many users I think RAL's scores are more accurate for TOP 150 since there is no bot accounts. Just checked the characters tab , glad to see Okabe at top! |
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| Its been a month now and still nothing has been fixed. |
Fionavar said: Seems like they are deleting bot accounts everyday. The anime gets back something like 0.01 point a day. In few months it should get the score it had but pointless if the trolls wanna downvote again lol.Its been a month now and still nothing has been fixed. + Nobody except the ones who read this topic would know it was the top anime of fall 2019 |
| It's good to see Chihayafuru 3's score rising, even if slowly and just a little bit. Does anyone know when this script aimed for deleting bot accounts is will be implemented? |
Tsumilk said: Fionavar said: Seems like they are deleting bot accounts everyday. The anime gets back something like 0.01 point a day. In few months it should get the score it had but pointless if the trolls wanna downvote again lol.Its been a month now and still nothing has been fixed. + Nobody except the ones who read this topic would know it was the top anime of fall 2019 Ahaha no. They dont delete shit, people simply keep upvoting the anime hence why the score slowly keeps crawling back. |
Fionavar said: Tsumilk said: Seems like they are deleting bot accounts everyday. The anime gets back something like 0.01 point a day. In few months it should get the score it had but pointless if the trolls wanna downvote again lol. + Nobody except the ones who read this topic would know it was the top anime of fall 2019 Ahaha no. They dont delete shit, people simply keep upvoting the anime hence why the score slowly keeps crawling back. Exactly, the trolling stopped around 1531 1/10 votes. Now only +20 1/10 votes from "normal" user (but is it normal to watch 50 episodes of Chihayafuru and score 1/10 the third season? oh wait, just average hater), so it is indeed just changing thanks of upvoting. @Adnash93 Nothing was announced yet, but any relevant information should appear on the page below: "a site-wide announcement will be made." Another way to say "don't ask for updates!" in my opinion. Official announcement thread. It has been 17 days since the resolution of this problem was described as "high priority". |
| At 12 episodes will the scores stop being counted? |
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| I really hope this gets a fix, it ruins the integrity of the site that things like that are allowed to happen. If it’s not fixed the score will be forever tainted by this and it just keeps getting worse, the scores dropped so low it’s insane! If it’s not fixed then anyone looking back who doesn’t know about what’s going on will think it’s either a love it or hate it show. And I’m sure some people do just hate it and do just wanna give a 1 but it’s so obvious that this is mostly trolls and it’s going to cause problems in the future and forever if it’s not fixed. Media Do needs to realise how much western public perception is affected by MAL. |
| LOL, your opinion is wrong! |
Meusnier said: @Adnash93 Nothing was announced yet, but any relevant information should appear on the page below: "a site-wide announcement will be made." Another way to say "don't ask for updates!" in my opinion. Official announcement thread. It has been 17 days since the resolution of this problem was described as "high priority". Thank you for your response. Too bad... but I still hope this script or whatever tool to fight with bots downvoting animes and mangas will be implemented one day. |
| Still not solved? What are you doing MAL? |
| It is getting ridiculous. How can it not be solved by such a big website database as MAL ? |
leftsockstealing said: Dang. I am not even surprised. This show deserves it lol.The average score if you leave out all the 1's is now 8.87 . |
| Wow, this problem just got more and more out of hand with 1/5 votes being at 1 right now. MAL really doesn't give a damn, do they? |
| But why do they want to downgrade the score? That's so stupid, are they even competing against something? |
davidbautista said: Chihayafuru season 3 was beating someone's fave anime (Vinland Saga) - Allegedly But why do they want to downgrade the score? That's so stupid, are they even competing against something? |
| Just wanna remind everyone that its still not fucking fixed. "Top priority" my ass. |
| woah.. some people srsly waste their time on creating bots to downvote anime score? i guess, kids are really crazy these days. |
| This is never getting fixed lol. |
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| It seems that "top priority" was the short version for "top priority for the new intern in charge of the problem who knows shit about coding and is spending 8 hours a day surfing on the Internet and asking on fora "How the hell can I fix bot issues on MAL?" but finally lost hope and sent a letter to Santa Claus." |
| nah they're not gonna fix the bot problem,imagine the shitshow if all anime entry,or those top 50 anime true scores suddenly got revealed,the ranking probably stay the same but the scores gonna change ,imagine pissing off all cancer anime fanbase at once,too much hassle. |
noregretmyman said: nah they're not gonna fix the bot problem,imagine the shitshow if all anime entry,or those top 50 anime true scores suddenly got revealed,the ranking probably stay the same but the scores gonna change ,imagine pissing off all cancer anime fanbase at once,too much hassle. I want that to happen, the nuclear meltdown would be amazing! |
| I think it's quite funny to see it scored so low despite the other seasons being rated quite high |
| It's December. Plus! They been "busy" on other things like free manga and a concert. This problem is probably not very high up on their to do list. I'd say mid-Jan at the earliest, if they actually care any more. MAL's more worried about trying to make a profit than fix their 15 year old system. |
Glordit said: It's December. Plus! They been "busy" on other things like free manga and a concert. This problem is probably not very high up on their to do list. I'd say mid-Jan at the earliest, if they actually care any more. MAL's more worried about trying to make a profit than fix their 15 year old system. That is the reality of the situation, unfortunately. Profit>>>anything else, especially since sites like MAL do not earn much (even with the number of MAL members). Another problem is that this fix will change the scores of all anime and may create further harassment of shows like LoGH and Gintama suddenly shooting up to first place. |
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| At this point, it seems like MAL doesn't give a shit. How long has it been? |
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KireiHanabi said: At this point, it seems like MAL doesn't give a shit. How long has it been? over a month since this post was created. as for when the actual downvoting started? add another week or two. |
rooru-kun said: You just can't rely on Mal scores anymore. It's just what MAL community has become.KireiHanabi said: At this point, it seems like MAL doesn't give a shit. How long has it been? They even went out with their facebook campaign of highest rated series of 2019 including ongoing shows ignoring completely Chihayafuru issue. They don't give a sh"t if their credibility is on the floor. |
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| I wonder what they're gonna write about this in their seasonal statistics article thingy. |
| If at least they could keep us up about what they're doing about it, it would be great. |
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