| I like strong characters, whether they be male or female. Those are the types of characters that end up at or near the top of my most liked characters of the cast of a show. |
| manly anime characters are a pleasure to watch no homo. no clue why someone might dislike them. |
AnimeFreak-San said: is this a male gender issure...human issue...mental illness perhaps? |
| I like for my anime guys to be a bit more feminine,after all too much testosterone can be bad for you! |
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| I like masculine characters. Good role models for boys. |
| MEA·MENTVLA·INGENS·EST |
| Nope, in fact harem anime are in desperate need of them. |
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| Nah, they're often pretty cool Just look as JoJo's characters, pure manliness |
| nah dude i love them, i don’t think it’s toxic masculinity if it’s just a character who’s just STRONG and “MANLY”, there’s also male characters who aren’t and they can be just as good and just as much as a man as everyone else. besides it’s impossible for my manlet self to even try achieving peak form like that why even stress getting offended about it |
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| I wouldn't say manly characters are inherently toxic, no one really thinks that. It's more about how you portray that masculinity. Sometimes it can be in a positive way, sometimes in a negative, toxic way. JoJo is actually a pretty good example because most of the villains in that series fall into what I think of as toxic masculinity, whereas the heroes show a much more positive interpretation. I don't think there's anything wrong with manliness inherently, as long as it's not getting in the way of your empathy. |
| I think they can be very funny and lift the mood sometimes, while on the other hand they can be inspiring or intimidating, and both are great!Love me some fair manly dudes from time to time lol |
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Manly men are the best, there is no comparison |
| Honestly i like the character to fit the story. Id hate a extremely manly male love interest in kimi ni todoke for example. In the end everything in anime is just fantasy. Your waifus/husbandos arent real. Nothing mathers its entertainment and escapism. This is why mixing politics and anime is just so sad and pointless. |
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AkaneManiac said: For example all the main characters from Jojo part 5 are 120% REAL MEN through their actions! I agree, Trish is the manliest man out there |
| If you read Eleceed you're automatically my friend. |
| No, that sounds dumb, all the complains about "toxic" stuff sound dumb in general |
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| Well this genre is nice. Hokuto no Ken, Jojo, Grappler Baki, all those hard boiled OVAs from 80s-90s, damn it's so cool. I guess those who get offended by this just have some SJW issues |
Nemo_NiemandDec 7, 2019 2:48 PM
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| If it's comedy, it can make sense, but if it's a story to be taken seriously, I don't like the "MANLINESS" meme, particularly when taken to impractical extremes just for the sake of an elaborate display. If it's to be taken seriously, it's stupid, nor is it particularly good in real life. If anything it's just satisfying a power fantasy, or satisfying a desire to "own the SJWs" or someshit like that. Done well, it can be comedic and possibly even gratifying, but frankly it's often relegated to the role of self-parody. Now if we're just talking about decisive characters who get shit done, then sure, everyone enjoys those, but there's nothing inherently masculine about those qualities anyway. As for having good male role model characters in a serious narrative -- particularly good mature male role-model characters -- there should be less of a focus on hamminess (and no gratuitous aggression at all), and more of a focus on ideas of steadiness, loyalty, and mental focus. |
GlennMagusHarveyDec 7, 2019 5:12 PM
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| Anything in anime that is not a cute girl offends me |
 What's the difference? |
| I don’t like GAR to begin with, so.... |
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| they are not necessarily toxic masculinity though my favorite anime is Gurren Lagann and is also about how a boy becomes a man besides the power of human spirit stuff |
| No, nothing wrong with badasses, but I don't care for sausage fests or heavy shounen-ai undertones. |
| "Laws exist only for those who cannot live without clinging onto them." -Souske Aizen "Bleach"  |
| Why would they offend me? And what the hell is "toxic masculinity"? I don't understand this topic at all. lmao |
 Life is a despicable endurance race |
| I like tomboys and femme fatales, so it can actually be a turn-on in certain situations. |
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| Nah Kamina is definitely pretty inspirational and I’d say in shows where there are questions about this, there are often either female characters who are also strong (Jojo, GL) or the traits have a purpose in the story (Berserk). Even then out of my top five favorite (badass) characters, 4/5 are female: Revy (Black Lagoon), Balalika (Black Lagoon), The Major (Ghost in the Shell: SAC), Ryuko (Kill la Kill), and Wolfwood (Trigun). That’s not in order and there are definitely others from Code Geass and other anime and manga (Alice in Borderland) but overall I’d say it evens out pretty fairly. |
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SunnySelenophile said: The meme wherein "manliness"/masculinity (in a heavily stereotypical sense)/"GAR"/etc. is glorified to the point of ridiculousness. It can be fun for comedy but it can't be taken seriously.GlennMagusHarvey said: If it's comedy, it can make sense, but if it's a story to be taken seriously, I don't like the "MANLINESS" meme, particularly when taken to impractical extremes just for the sake of an elaborate display. If it's to be taken seriously, it's stupid, nor is it particularly good in real life. If anything it's just satisfying a power fantasy, or satisfying a desire to "own the SJWs" or someshit like that. Done well, it can be comedic and possibly even gratifying, but frankly it's often relegated to the role of self-parody. Now if we're just talking about decisive characters who get shit done, then sure, everyone enjoys those, but there's nothing inherently masculine about those qualities anyway. What manliness meme? Also, in the context of the anime/manga medium, most of the characters associated with being 'manly' are older than SJW culture (including JoJo, think the manga is fairly old but I am not sure), atleast the recent prominence of SJW/PC culture. So calling these works a reaction to SJWs is fairly unwarranted. Also, I think assertiveness is often associated with masculinity, which is something a fair amount of people will like to see more of. Also, could you maybe elaborate on why you seem to believe that representations of masculinity is relegated to comedy? Or are you just referring to extreme cases? The characters/shows that get meme status are more likely to be the extreme cases, but more generally, I find that approaching characters/shows with the mindset of "I'm here for the meme" detracts from my appreciation of the actual character/show. Regarding the "reaction to SJWs" I was referring to how people's making a big deal about "manly" characters are better than "fags"/"pussies"/etc. is partly related to that. It's been around for longer than this latest spat (heck it's been around since people started hating on Shinji), but some people cite said spat as part of their reasoning for such a preference, hence my comment. The other part of that comment refers to the desire to have the character exhibit a strong sense of agency as a result of one's desire for how the story should go. It's a natural thing to feel, so I don't begrudge people simply for feeling it, but I also don't think that you can get as much of a variety of a stories if all you have is hypercompetent badasses getting shit done all the time. |
GlennMagusHarveyDec 7, 2019 11:00 PM
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| no i am offended by weak minded characters |
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| Manly men are not as relatable as boneless jerks from all these popular bullshit ecchi/harem/romcoms. Fanboys feel uncomfortable seeing all that masculinity and generosity, thus become offended |
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| I only love manly anime characters if they have chiseled bodies I can admire and imagine squeezing. |
| I mean kinda depends what you mean by manly actions. Like if someone says masculine anime I just think GAR. But i guess i'm not fan in general? If i'm thinking of something that might get considered rly masculine like glorifying fighting to death for honor (Vagabond), war (Kingdom) or being overly protective.. such actions and mindsets just feel stupid to me like please have more intelligence. I don't want none of that "man must do.." "man must be.." stuff. Not that either one of these examples is bad manga, i have enjoyed both, but their characters and their actions frustrated me a lot. Still I'm not sure if that's what you are going for with the masculinity cause i think there is many ideas of what that masculinity is. |
| Well, I have a staunch hatred towards masculinity in real life, so I'm not a big fan of manly guys in anime. I prefer feminine guys, like Nao from "Free!." |
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AkaneManiac said: Well, I don't watch Jojo so I can't comment on them, but what exactly do you mean by "manly characters" can you give some examples of who you consider manly or some characteristics of "manliness"? The definition of manliness differs from person to person.When I say manly, I mean in terms of character and ideals, not only physique. I hate pushovers. For example all the main characters from Jojo part 5 are 120% REAL MEN through their actions! Personally I love them! Lot's of fun to watch some MANIME from time to time. I see them as an ideal to which to strive rather than an offensive portrayal of toxic masculinity. But... it seems most nowadays don't... what do you think? Why are people offended by cool characters? |
SithSteel said: AkaneManiac said: Well, I don't watch Jojo so I can't comment on them, but what exactly do you mean by "manly characters" can you give some examples of who you consider manly or some characteristics of "manliness"? The definition of manliness differs from person to person.When I say manly, I mean in terms of character and ideals, not only physique. I hate pushovers. For example all the main characters from Jojo part 5 are 120% REAL MEN through their actions! Personally I love them! Lot's of fun to watch some MANIME from time to time. I see them as an ideal to which to strive rather than an offensive portrayal of toxic masculinity. But... it seems most nowadays don't... what do you think? Why are people offended by cool characters? I mean these guys: Despite how they look they are TRUE men through their actions! Manly, by being assertive, collected, intelligent, protecting the weak, have a code of honor, and striving for justice. Stuff like that. |
SunnySelenophile said: Well, particularly with regard to the harem shows, like you say they're written in a certain way arguably for a reason, likely self-insertion, but asking to replace that with a "manlier" MC is basically just asking to replace one fantasy with another, and it's not magically better or worse as some of the overblown commentary about the decline of manliness or what may suggest it is.GlennMagusHarvey said: The meme wherein "manliness"/masculinity (in a heavily stereotypical sense)/"GAR"/etc. is glorified to the point of ridiculousness. It can be fun for comedy but it can't be taken seriously. The characters/shows that get meme status are more likely to be the extreme cases, but more generally, I find that approaching characters/shows with the mindset of "I'm here for the meme" detracts from my appreciation of the actual character/show. Regarding the "reaction to SJWs" I was referring to how people's making a big deal about "manly" characters are better than "fags"/"pussies"/etc. is partly related to that. It's been around for longer than this latest spat (heck it's been around since people started hating on Shinji), but some people cite said spat as part of their reasoning for such a preference, hence my comment. The other part of that comment refers to the desire to have the character exhibit a strong sense of agency as a result of one's desire for how the story should go. It's a natural thing to feel, so I don't begrudge people simply for feeling it, but I also don't think that you can get as much of a variety of a stories if all you have is hypercompetent badasses getting shit done all the time. Thanks for the feedback. And yeah, in that context I agree. The excessive display of it is not particularly good, similar to how forced displays of any kind of politics in TV shows can be jarring. Some kind of moderation would be good, but the issue I have, and probably others like me, is that masculine traits are not often shown. Hence the reaction and preference for 'manly' because they are outnumbered massively. It doesn't help that's lots of MC's are kept blank for the purpose of self-insertion, mostly with regards to light/web novels adaptations. What exactly are you referring to by "masculine traits"? Asking since I'm aware this term is not always consistently defined, and a variety of traits sorta get variably lumped together under this one banner depending on who you talk to. FWIW as a serious point I think it makes more sense to ask the question of how much we have good male (and for that matter, also female) role models in anime. Because if there's some "masculine" character type worth glorifying, it ought to be something like (as I said eariler) a man who is characterized by level-headedness, loyalty to a romantic partner, firm in his principles, etc. -- rather than a man with overflowing pecs who says cheesy lines and sexes all the chicks. Some people like the latter, obviously, but to demand more of the latter in the name of "we need more manliness in anime!" is really just demanding a different fantasy to replace one that a person doesn't like as much. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
AkaneManiac said: I'm not sure what exactly is supposed to be "manly" when it comes to ideals but on a general note I'm not a fan of physically bulky characters, they don't offend me in any way, I just don't find them attractive in the slightest unless they have a soft sideWhen I say manly, I mean in terms of character and ideals, not only physique. |
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| I'm not really a fan of classic masculinity stereotypes and all that stuff. I mean they can be fun in the right show (either those that take themselves not too seriously, or those that take themselves so seriously that it's already funny again, like Baki for example), but in general my views on gender roles and stereotypes just don't really align very much with the traditional views on masculinity so it's hard to answer the question without knowing that you define as 'manliness'. For example, even tho it's not anime, many of my male friends hated Newt Scamander from the Harry Potter prequel 'Fantastic Beasts' for being a pussy or 'autistic' and whatnot because he's socially awkward, basically for not being manly or masculine enough in the traditional way of action-ish movies and therefore not fun to watch. But my opinion is more along the lines of this video and I really liked his character https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4kuR1gyOeQ Or for a more anime related example I tend to like the male chars in josei and shoujo romances way more than the male chars in shounen and seinen romances. So I think it's safe to say that I generally don't really like the male stereotypes that are used to cater to male viewers. But it's all very context and execution-dependent. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| If we are talking about male characters we admire, while I don't know how manly they are, these come to mind: Elias Ainsworth - Mahou Tsukai no Yome Hiko Seijuurou - Rurouni Kenshin Blanca - Banana Fish Saotome Zenjuuro - Beelzebub Oda Nobunaga - Drifters Guin - Guin Saga Sebas Tian - Overlord |
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| It doesn't really matter to me. Again it just comes down to the writing someone who is a pushover can be written well. Depends on the point of the character. JoJo characters are fun so I can't say I dislike those aspects but again just because someone is written as weak willed doesn't make their character bad. So context matters. I will say this people have this idea of a character being assertive (something that is masculine) and really confuse what makes an assertive character good. Or what is good about an assertive person IRL. I see this a lot in female characters mainly in the West where assertive basically equals being abrasive. Characters like that I really don't like either male or female unless there is a reason and the author is aware it's a bad character trait. It's kinda of unfortunate for people who are trying to make more "strong" female characters since a lot of them are not written well. Assertive people are appealing because of their get done attitude or confidence that reassures others and ability to endure a lot of struggles by being mentally strong. So traits like stoicism, valour, selflessness are more the ideals of I guess more masculine traits. |
BilboBaggins365Dec 8, 2019 1:05 PM
| I don’t like seeing men at all ... . |
 plz @ me |
| >Most nowadays No, a very loud minority of whiny manchildren who never grew mentally past the age of 10 and get upset when they see a mentally healthy male character who embodies everything they'll never be. |
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