Apparently MHA is now "problematic".

ManThighs said:
Dude, feminist fight for equality between men and women. There is nothing sexist or "anti-men" about that. Get your head out of the gutter and stop spewing bullshit.

Oh and sense your so keen on evidence (even though you have provided no information besides your baseless, false claims), here is the literal definition of feminism: Belief in or advocacy of women's social, political, and economic rights, especially with regard to equality of the sexes.

xShinigami3125 said:
Everything here is just cringeworthy, like always with this someone voiced criticism of a random show or just said something stupid and a whole bunch of people immediately cry about the bad sjw feminists coming to destroy animu.
Just shut up.

ManThighs said:
Dude, feminist fight for equality between men and women. There is nothing sexist or "anti-men" about that. Get your head out of the gutter and stop spewing bullshit.

Oh and sense your so keen on evidence (even though you have provided no information besides your baseless, false claims), here is the literal definition of feminism: Belief in or advocacy of women's social, political, and economic rights, especially with regard to equality of the sexes.

ManThighs said:
There are still many places in America where woman aren't payed equal wages/receive full benefits and such. It's also harder for woman to get into positions of power when compared to their male counterparts. Sexism is engrained in the core of our country, and while feminist have fought and changed lots of laws, there are still permenating issues that are the result of living in a male society.

Minashiro said:
Hello there. Piro is kinda missing the point and fell into MRA talking points, so may I interject? After the 2nd wave was done and women got all the rights, and even some privileges on top of it, what is the point of continuing with the movement, if it's goals have been met? If you disagree and think, that they aren't, then can you provide an example of "rights", that women are still missing nowadays?

There are still many places in America where woman aren't payed equal wages/receive full benefits and such. It's also harder for woman to get into positions of power when compared to their male counterparts. Sexism is engrained in the core of our country, and while feminist have fought and changed lots of laws, there are still permenating issues that are the result of living in a male society.

Minashiro said:
I'm sorry, but this is just not true. Under the 'Equal Pay Act of 1963' it is illegal in USA to discriminate women by paying them less. Not "bad" or "frowned upon", illegal, meaning that any company will be sued out of existence, if they'd did that. Now, I'm speculating, that you are looking at the gender pay-gap "studies" and basing your faith on those. What you should do, is go ahead and closely look at the exact methodology, that they used to come to such conclusions, you'd be surprised by the sheer amount of cherry-picking and disregarding of the actual data, that can counter the narrative.
Modern day social sciences are not to be trusted blindly, they are heavily motivated by ideology and very corrupt.

ManThighs said:


"MuH wAgE gAp"
"MuH sExIsM"

TsukuyomiREKT said:


Way to say "I'm an idiot."

ManThighs said:
Equity doesn't strictly boil down to laws like equal pay. We live in a males society and it's reflected in all its heirchachal forms. Discrimination is still very prevalent in the work force.

Dude, feminist fight for equality between men and women

Manaban said:
It'd be great if the feminist movement was actually something egalitarian, and not an interest group that's continued existence is entirely reliant on propagating a narrative of one specific gender being forced to live in a society where they are inherently treated as lesser while downplaying or outright ignoring any of the issues plaguing the other side. At best, you can see them go on a TED talk and offer up some extremely lopsided take on the problems men face that conveniently happens to also fit within their narrative as well. The lady blaming toxic masculinity for male suicide rates being so high made me, a suicidal male, want to kill himself even more, for what that's worth. Nothing quite as uplifting as feeling society is being encouraged to accept a stance towards people like you that completely misses the point of why you feel that way in the first place. Certainly doesn't put you in a position of feeling you're being dug deeper into your pit by others, but hey, speaking out with as much and trying to actually explain why you feel that way gets backlash too because toxic masculinity is only like, 5 - 10% of the entire issue at best, rather than 90 - 95% of it.

Of course, I'm sure I'm nothing but an MRA incel or something for feeling that way, even though that's not at all the case and it's just the same bullshit as alt-righters tossing out cuck - transforming a label into a pejorative based on an opinion to try to pressure or shame people out of speaking up on that stance - but no matter, because either way, it's impossible to take this:



As anything more than vapid lipservice at this point, whenever the discussion is over an interest group that's ostensibly seeking to dominate and control all aspects of gender discussion while maintaining its identity as an interest group. It's ideological imperialism, nothing more, nothing less, and because of that intersectional feminists can fuck off. Disassemble the whole thing and begin marching under a banner that's actually capable of being egalitarian, because right now even the fucking name signifies where its interests and its primary focus lies and continues to lie, and people will be your idea that you're an egalitarian movement easier. You can't just claim something and act and advocate things that seem entirely counter-intuitive to as much.

Anime tiddies are fine, but being iffy or disliking how they're presented is fine as well. However, death threats over anime tiddies are absolutely not fucking fine, and trying to backtrack to B-B-BUT MUH FEMINISM IS GOOD THEY'RE FIGHTING FOR WHAT'S IMPORTANT to distract away from what these people did, rather than actually speaking out about them being associated with your movement and making it clear that this is absolutely not okay, and the fact that as far back as page 1 we're having people walking in to distract from the issue is incredibly telling that something is extremely fucked up here.

The passivity that people treat disgusting shit with just because they're on the same political side is absolutely fucking repulsive. I'd say you should all feel ashamed, but telling zealous ideological crusaders like some of the people in this thread who are trying to make it sound less bad than it is would be a fruitless endeavor. It's not about actually making a positive difference or anything, it's about your side *winning.*

Manaban said:

Ab-so-lutely what I was getting at in that post and not at all irrelevant to the thing that pissed me off.

MeisterDM said:

Well, feminism is needed in certain countries such as most African countries, the Middle East and parts of Asia, where the gender inequality index is high.

Manaban said:

Okay. Awesome.

We're discussing people on twitter sending death threats and other kinds of harassment because they don't like a character's tit size.

Condemning this behavior and not treating it with passive acceptance or trying to distract negative responses away from it isn't going to change anybody's situation in Africa or the Middle East, but it does carry the added baggage of creating an identity for the western feminist movement of being the type of people who are zealous enough to, well, harass people and send death threats over a character's breast size.

And well, hey, if this is the kind of behavior that people in the feminist movement are going to downplay or treat as being acceptable, guess what type of people I'm not exactly eager to associate myself with?

Reminds me of how, during the crusades, remission of sin was granted to each crusader so they could do whatever the fuck they want and still have 0 wrongs attached to their name. Who cares about standards or principles or just basic, non-barbaric, mentally stable behavior? They're on our side and we fight for the greater good!

MeisterDM said:

Then those people are a bunch of clowns then. There are problems that actually harm women in the real world, yet they choose to get triggered over fiction.

No wonder the fanbase is hated.

MeisterDM said:
Well, feminism is needed in certain countries such as most African countries, the Middle East and parts of Asia, where the gender inequality index is high.

Minashiro said:
Okay, just to recap:

• Me: What's the problem with womens rights? Why do we need feminism at this point?
  
• You: Women face discrimination in our society, such as getting less pay for equal work!
  
• Me: But this isn't true.
  
• You: Yeah, it's not, but this doesn't change anything, we live in a male-based society and therefore!

See, this is the reason I can't take seriously the arguments from people like you. You don't have a strong principled position and when countered, start to move the goalpost and bring in vague and nebulous statements, that boil down to "bad man bad".

The reason for this is quite simple. Your whole position is based on the feelings over facts. Facts you bring in are either just simply wrong, or skewed in a way to arrive at a predetermined conclusion. But you feel, that it's right, it sounds convincing to yourself, so there must be something to it, right? And I may be wrong, but most people like you didn't even arrive at this conclusion by themselves and instead were dragged into it by ideologs and influencers.

This is just sad, but I get it. At one point of my life I believed in so much bs, that I could've probably hosted a segment at infowars without any issues. And many of my friends did, so I think it is completely natural stage in life, when you are easily swayed by emotional arguments and rhetoric. But here's a kicker: there wasn't an echochamber for me, that modern day social networks had become. I couldn't block or mute all people with differing opinions, or label them a troll or baby-eating monster, because a person was right there, next to me. To be completely honest, I don't see how you get out of such ideology, or even if you can.

ManThighs said:
Perhaps I should have been clearer in my statement. When I brought up discrimination in forms of pay I was largely refering to the positions in which men/women receive jobs, the income of those jobs, and discrimination regarding promotions/raises (which is a form of wage discrimination and answers your piece on less pay for the same work).

Minashiro said:
Hello there. Piro is kinda missing the point and fell into MRA talking points, so may I interject? After the 2nd wave was done and women got all the rights, and even some privileges on top of it, what is the point of continuing with the movement, if it's goals have been met? If you disagree and think, that they aren't, then can you provide an example of "rights", that women are still missing nowadays?

There are still many places in America where woman aren't payed equal wages/receive full benefits and such. It's also harder for woman to get into positions of power when compared to their male counterparts. Sexism is engrained in the core of our country, and while feminist have fought and changed lots of laws, there are still permenating issues that are the result of living in a male society.

Minashiro said:
Hello there. Piro is kinda missing the point and fell into MRA talking points, so may I interject? After the 2nd wave was done and women got all the rights, and even some privileges on top of it, what is the point of continuing with the movement, if it's goals have been met? If you disagree and think, that they aren't, then can you provide an example of "rights", that women are still missing nowadays?

There are still many places in America where woman aren't payed equal wages/receive full benefits and such. It's also harder for woman to get into positions of power when compared to their male counterparts. Sexism is engrained in the core of our country, and while feminist have fought and changed lots of laws, there are still permenating issues that are the result of living in a male society.