Vinland Saga
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| Canute was so great here, his behavior really changed! He earned the favorite spot in my top characters after I watched this episode. I loved the "true love is death and human's love is discrimination" part from the priest. Really great episode. |
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| A rather emotional episode at the first half, Ragnar came to say goodbye to the Prince in his dreams, what a loyal man. That part where Thorkell sent Thorfinn flying had me dying lol. Looks like that Blonde Prince finally learns the truth of their world, he has finally awoken to reality. 10/10 Character development. |
| “What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil? Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?” ― Lelouch Vi Britannia |
| All I can say is bruh...... Canute FINALLY stepping into the role of a King. It's LIT! Dirty move by Thorkell though, that true warrior question really struck a chord with Thorfinn. Next ep is gonna be wild. I'm so hype on the development of Canute, like mannnnn how much better can it get?! This show y'all...... sheesh! 5/5 |
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everyone is saying all about Thorkell vs Thorfinn but THE KING was epic too. Every episode of this show never disappoints. |
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RavBTW said: everyone is saying all about Thorkell vs Thorfinn but THE KING was epic too. Every episode of this show never disappoints. I hope this proud "king" will fall. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
| Thorfinn vs thorkell was a letdown. |
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| That fucking ending totally redeemed the prince in my view. That was a sick character development. The man was pushed to the edge and finally broke. I can't wait to see where we go from here. Wish there was a bit more sustained focus on the fight though. |
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| Well, prince's conclusion and alteration was too damn fast. Thorkell's easygoing goofy demeanor with a bit of seriousness and nobility makes him a really likeable person. I hope Thorfinn will get his lessons from these two guys, Thorkell and Askeladd, and will grow up already. And I guess Askeladd dies |
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Solfilius said: Nor can i say that I am very happy with the animation of this episode, the fact is that Wit Studio has been falling down constantly, I do not knew what the reasons are but the animation of Wit Studio was much more detailed, expressive and dynamic before.People were amazed by Kimetsu No Yaiba episode 19...the same's gonna happen with this episode....what a fight!!On top of that some great character development for Canute .I dont get why people are getting so butthurt over the animation...it's pretty good.You can't expect every show to have KnY like animation. |
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| Is this a repeat of Kimetsu no Yaiba episode 19? Sure feels like it whilst standard midway decline of Wit Studio's animation and camerawork that still is top-notch mind-blowing. If there's one thing I noticed, most of the 2nd OP scenes are mainly directly from this episode, what a spectacular foreshadowing. What a way to get us hyped for more, and it did candidly splendid. Did anyone notice this? The long-awaited battle that is Thorfinn vs. Thorkell, a battle for the ages. Knowledge is skill, as in Thorkell's knowledge about his family and heritage to trade for an entertaining battle against Thors's son. But on the side of Prince Canute, his childhood that Ragnar raised was one of fondness rather than royal historics, despite the former being the life that he desires. Now that (the useless but not so useless) Ragnar is gone, he has to stand firmly on his own. "What is love?" In the rhetorical sense of war, love means nothing, but to be treasured by the one you love, within the means as a sacrifice unto the Lord. The Bible has shown that love requires sacrifice, not a hardship, but one of sweetness. The war itself is a drastic escape of the essence of love, with it being dying in soul and spirit. ALL THAT IS THE RESULT OF SIN from the times of Adam and Eve in God's creation, that went to waste for disobedience. With the mindset that everyone is tainted in sin, with no love to account for, only life and death, everyone's reason to live is but a matter of choices. WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT is to find yourself, and Prince Canute MADE THAT CHOICE to love without salvation, and lead as his useless father King Sweyn did. TO FIGHT WITH REASON, THAT'S THE DUTY OF A KING. He's done with playing roles and all that bullshit, HE HAS AWAKENED from his senses, abandoned religion and reasons, and instilling meaning. This is one insane character development! More than this episode replicating KnY, it was an episode full of tears and meaning to reasons, why as humans we are kept away from God's paradise, and were made to create our own. What a phenomenal episode, and having to wait 2 weeks after is WORTH THE WAIT. |
KANLen09Nov 22, 2019 2:49 AM
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Kegari said: Solfilius said: Nor can i say that I am very happy with the animation of this episode, the fact is that Wit Studio has been falling down constantly, I do not knew what the reasons are but the animation of Wit Studio was much more detailed, expressive and dynamic before.People were amazed by Kimetsu No Yaiba episode 19...the same's gonna happen with this episode....what a fight!!On top of that some great character development for Canute .I dont get why people are getting so butthurt over the animation...it's pretty good.You can't expect every show to have KnY like animation. I think the issue is staff overwork along with focusing too much on making the backgrounds pretty rather than the character models. |
| "Last goodbye" from Ragnar scene was really good. Thorkell vs. Thorfinn was an intense fight. The best moment was when Thorkell ripped his coat and few moments later performed that ultra kick. xD The way the creators showed rage of a berserker was also really realistic. However, I didn't like Canute in this episode. His change is one of the most sudden (and therefore naive) I have ever seen in seinens, reminding me of shounens with way more simply plot than very mature seinen like "Vinland Saga". The drunk priest annoys me as well. He mixes his theological knowledge with random existential thoughts he has mostly after drinking a lot of alcohol. @Abel97 , I don't want to argue or something, but instant change from whiny and sensible teenager to a chad with messianic delusions was kinda... awkward. True, trauma is not always the same and I guess many of those who disliked Canute's personality's change know it very well. It was just too sudden for a character like Canute as we met him and learned about what he did in his past. Nothing really looked like as if he had hidden potential like that. Besides, knowing real Canute's history, I didn't like his depiction in this show anyway, because I knew from the beginning that he is gonna change to a badass one time. And that instant evolution, from very weak to very strong, is one of themes I dislike in various shows, not only in animes. |
AdnashNov 23, 2019 1:35 PM
| Every time I rewatched this episode I learned more. It's just too deep that one can get different interpretations. Canute's change might be too sudden but let's not forget that he's not dumb, he's smarter than he looks. And I believe he's seen cruelty enough, burdened by being a royalty. So I disagree that it's an instant change, he just snap but it's not an instant change. |
| At last! Canute has finally awakened! that was EPIC! event the OST! 5/5. |
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| I just hope Thorfinn still keeps calling Canute "Princess" because that is funny. This was easily the best episode, but still Canute's awakening is a little bit extreme. Basically someone goes from "I can't stand these people" to "I'll give meaning to your lives"... I don't know. It's almost the same as with Thorfinn and how he became an edgy killer because his dad is dead. Also the fight agains Thorkell was underwhelming, but I expected something like that considering the difference on skill and most importantly experience. |
| Well, I was quick to love that episode. Just having Thorfinn and Thorkell fight is just pure excitement. Also, damn, took me a while, but Ragnar really DOES have a conehead... naturally, his goodbye was saddening, especially since it happens in a dream. Plus, Berserk Bjorn is good fun to watch and just gave me the idea to create a fun Monk/Barbarian in D&D (I'll find a way to make it work). Then Canute just fuckin' STARES a Berserker down. |
| "You know you've reached peak quality when a doujin is better than the actual source series." (Eg. To LOVE-Ru) Just to list a couple of biases. Likes: A good story, characters, writing, romance, a good plot twist or something that breaks expectations (In a good way), 'backstory' and justice. Dislikes: Bad romance, too much fanservice, the harem genre, yuri, yaoi, and bad writing. |
| damn, is Canute going to be a badass now? |
| damn, he big boy now, also this was so nasty, when can I stop seeing limbs cut off explicitly? i was surprised by the amount of christian references used in this, i'm a christian myself and i guess i can say that it was more or less accurate maybe? like out of context? |
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| It's crazy to me how a beast-like Thorkell openly admits his inferiority in battle against Thors. It puts some great respect on my man's name, I love it. As hard as it is to admit, Askeladd's decision of assassinating Ragnar did wake up Canute. ilold said: I really don't understand Canute's line of thinking and how you all are praising it >God's love is discriminatory because only some people get saved No, it's not discriminatory because EVERYONE is saved but they have to CHOOSE to be saved (believe that Christ died for their sins) Being saved is subjective to everybody's belief, It is apparent that you are a Christian for believing that Jesus died for our sins is what saves you, but for other religions, it's another thing. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
FancyjasperNov 29, 2019 1:58 PM
| More deep talk about love, and nice finally Canute acts like a leader |
| I still think this was a bit sudden but possible to happen, I really enjoyed this one. 5/5 |
| Things are getting super awesome. |
| Sure one of the best episodes I saw this year. I love Canute character so much, I'll definitely start the manga after this season. |
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| This was a great episode. Very emotional ~ especially at the beginning. Thorkell and Thorfinns fight was quite interesting. Looks like Canute has finally found"his true self". Can't wait to watch the next episode. |
| It seems like the most popular episodes of Vinland Saga are the most divisive. I genuinely never expected this. |
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| Good episode but considering how the previous episode ended, I was expecting something more. However, Canute’s part was pretty good, I think I could enjoy him now. |
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| IMO the best ep so far. So interesting seeing Canute change like that, and the idea of love, salvation and sin. To me it reminds me of modern civilization. A united world! |
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| I am lost for words. I've never seen anything handle religion this ridiculously well. Willibald(the priest) might become a discriminator himself when he starts to fawn over his newfound king who's going to save man by giving them true meaning(I kinda feel this already happened when he was amazed and dropped his best friend, the keg)[I've never read the manga]. |
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| Oh great Odin Vinland Saga is just disgusting me so much right now Lol death is the true expression of love because you give back to nature without complaining. Caring for someone is discrimination lol What is this trash Then Knut just after this tells others to not fight to the death because its meaningless But bitch didn't you just now agree dying was the only true expression of love If this wasn't written by the Japanese Id have thought it was disgusting Christian propaganda tbh |
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Waschmaschine369 said: Nah I didn't miss that part. I just didn't include it because I didn't think it mattered for what I think as a whole is a dumb conversation you missed that you stop hurting anyone... all of this is about true love/unconditional love. the mountains and snow are love because they just exist, a creation incapable of discriminatoy love. a dead mass murderer>a living mass murderer Waschmaschine369 said: Im not saying the series is telling the viewers to think like this though. Im just disgusted with the idea of saying this since I find it insulting towards my own interpretation of what love is because you would hurt someone else in order to take care of who you love. it's not what the priest searches, neither did thors. start thinking instead of shit talking. it's not telling the viewer to think like this, it's a conversation between characters engaging in philosophy and theology. What can I say man. I just don't find the mindset deep honestly and rather stupid Waschmaschine369 said: Pretty sure thats the episode after this which I waited several hours to watch because took a break but no I didn't miss that part I believe but hey if I did my bad then I guess. Id blame the fact I had to witness such a disgusting conversation my mind decided to fixate on that part and didn't process what happens after no, they were fighting for a prince who's dead was already written (by his fathter the king), he's not worth money. you got his character and dialogue so wrong, he literally said "I will give meaning to your deaths and battle". Knut agrees with the priest on what true love is, but he goes against him and god, and wants to create his own paradise on earth. did you miss the lines where he blames god for not giving humans the will of true love, that humans are corrupted forever? Waschmaschine369 said: Oh yes my dude, clearly calling everyone perceived bad buzzwords who didn't like the message they just watched will surely help hammer in your point that just means you're retarded as hell. you will see how dumb that sounds. it seems a lot of fragile edge lords misunderstood all of this because they never watched something with actual good dialogue where you're not spoonfed everything  |
DeknijffDec 15, 2019 12:53 PM
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Waschmaschine369 said: You are correct because I haven't attempted to do so anywhere in our discussion here because no one has asked me to do so. Im just stating my opinion you do a bad job at explaining what's supposedly dumb about it Waschmaschine369 said: Rather weird they mention Ragnar's devotion towards Knut then and saying it was discrimination because such actions can lead to hurting others you mean your own mindset is stupid lol? you understand they're talking about a different kind of love right, from a theological perspective, somewhat Christian with artistic liberties taken. I assume you're an atheist they're not talking about the love you have for your parents/friends, rather the whole world so to speak. Feels to me that they are talking about peoples's feelings and the priest belittling such emotions to not being true love from his own view point as far as I can see Waschmaschine369 said: Whoops my bad then I guess if thats the case that's your own fault, for taking something it and perceiving it as much worse then it actually is. he did say ''this battle is meaningless, I will give meaning to your battles and deaths'' in ep 18. Waschmaschine369 said: Yeah I got that after episode 19 or 20 but thanks for saying it to me I guess well you didn't get the message, Knut has disdain for god and wants to create his own paradise on earth, refusing too partake in this unconditional love stuff because it's impossible to reach. Thor's tried and died, Knut will use violence while still believing it. Waschmaschine369 said: But again I'm not saying its a message towards the viewer so I don't get why you bring that up again again, it's not a message, it's an actual religious concept and you're not meant to take it in as a message to the viewer, but a conversation between characters who are searching for meaning it's just exploring different facets of love |
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