Chihayafuru
Tubbyman said: -Aincrad- said: Mods are being blamed for doing nothing, acting like it's nothing. They just keep deleting threads, saying nothing. Saying they can't do anything about it for now(which is obviously not true) would still be better, than just deleting anything related to it(except for this thread for some reason) without a word. An admin has already given a response in this thread: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1811115&show=50#msg58667545 Oh I completely missed this one. But it's pretty much the same mods have said a few times. Although I guess it's just me being stupid, but I've always thought mods have right to delete accounts. I mean, that would makes more sense if they had(I guess?) Although that doesn't change the fact they shouldn't just delete threads without a word. Why don't they just create a thread explaining everything(pretty much what the admin said), and just close these kind of threads instead of deleting(if they do either of them no matter what) and refer to the thread containing their explanation? |
-Aincrad-Nov 22, 2019 2:11 PM
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AkameYokai said: Giving a SHOW a score (wahtever score it is) because you either like/dislike its fanbase is amongst one od the dumbest things I can imagine. Score the anime on its own merits, quit being a whiny little baby lashing out cause you dont like its fans lmao. Thats some petty childish bullshit, if youre an adult its embarrassing to act like that I completely agree. It's sad, yet true. :( |
| Like some people might have said before, MAL is more a database for anime than a site for scoring and opinions. When looking for something new, I do look at the score and the reviews, but ultimately, a first episode try and a few chosen tags (genre) and episode/series length is the minimum criteria to anyone. Some people might look for popular shows too. That being said, the MAL team should probably be able to take some kind of preventive measures ASAP. Let's trust them on this matter. |
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| That hater ain't botting, I don't think so xD If you watch the successive 1 grades it's one guy who's manually creating accounts every minutes or so, changing ip's and such. Like it's painstakingly slow ahaha! So that dude is taking whole afternoons and evenings to keep on raping the MAL signup page. We're talking about some big time major league Neet man, that's is genuinely SAD. Best thing to do would be to close the discussion about this, because trolls are not gonna change, they love to be at the center. We should talk about the show, review it and let that lonely guy wank on his most hated animes ratings alone. |
| If these guys keep creating bots, Pokemon (2019) will finally be above Chihayafuru as it should be, right? I guess that Pikachu is cuter than Shinobu. |
Meusnier said: If these guys keep creating bots, Pokemon (2019) will finally be above Chihayafuru as it should be, right? I guess that Pikachu is cuter than Shinobu. Pokemon 2019 had a pretty a-okay first episode TBH Fuck the people raiding scores in general tho, it ruins all the fun of giving scores/trying to hype up shows |
| Thread cleaned. I removed some posts that contained baiting and the replies to them. This is not the first time this happened in this thread. Please keep the posts civil or else we will have to lock it. I do understand that the situation is frustrating, but baiting/insulting others in this thread does not help. If you want to express your feelings feel free to do this here but in a civil way. You can also contact the customer support and let them know how you feel about the situation (click "contact customer support" at the bottom of this page). Meusnier said: Thank you for your detailed answer. I hope that the measures will be implemented in a near future, at least before the end of this double season (24 episodes). Just one point that puzzles me; the measures to counter bots/haters that you referred to cannot be very efficient since a single guy could bypass them. To use a metaphor which may have some echo here, MAL act as the police in Death Note when they claim that . They're mostly for spambots. It helps for rating trolls to a certain degree but like I said in my post it's definitely not enough. -InfiniteLoop- said: @Luna - Your post was really well written. Although do admins not have some mass blocking feature? The problem with mass blocking or mass deleting is that I'd still have to check all the accounts manually to make sure that no legit account is blocked/deleted. And doing this for all entries is impossible (Chihayafuru is not the only entry that is affected). This is something that a system needs to do. -Aincrad- said: But it's pretty much the same mods have said a few times. Although I guess it's just me being stupid, but I've always thought mods have right to delete accounts. I mean, that would makes more sense if they had(I guess?) Although that doesn't change the fact they shouldn't just delete threads without a word. Why don't they just create a thread explaining everything(pretty much what the admin said), and just close these kind of threads instead of deleting(if they do either of them no matter what) and refer to the thread containing their explanation? Deleted accounts can't be restored easily and not every case is crystal clear. So it's best to keep the removal feature to just a few people who have experience with what accounts should be removed. We do have a thread in the support board where people could report such accounts in the past. This thread contains an explanation from Kineta about the current situation and just some days ago she added more information: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=245618&show=4750#msg58156821 What was deleted were duplicate threads of this thread in this board so that this board isn't flooded with them. But to make things clearer and more accessible I changed this thread's title now and added the admin responses in the first post. |
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cacaoUzzano said: This is hilarious, instead of solving the problem, they worry about changing the thread title because it makes Mal look bad I mean the entire response can be summarized with "We might potentially, eventually get a solution, but until then we are basically useless so ya just gotta have to deal with it." |
| Can we just bring back the Illegitimate Accounts thread as temporary solution? https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=245618&show=4750 And maybe give more power to mod/admin to delete account? |
| 7.67?? For f*ck sake.. MODS JUST DO SOMETHING!! IF YOU CAN'T NOW, JUST LOCK THE SCORING SYSTEM FOR ALL ANIME TILL YOU FIX THE PROBLEM!! |
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joshua10red said: thats a bit of an overreaction dont you think? Locking the scoring system althogether just because of one series being spammed with 1/10s? I dont think thats a solution, especially cuz you dont know if they will fix this soon7.67?? For f*ck sake.. MODS JUST DO SOMETHING!! IF YOU CAN'T NOW, JUST LOCK THE SCORING SYSTEM FOR ALL ANIME TILL YOU FIX THE PROBLEM!! |
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Nostalgik said: joshua10red said: thats a bit of an overreaction dont you think? Locking the scoring system althogether just because of one series being spammed with 1/10s? I dont think thats a solution, especially cuz you dont know if they will fix this soon7.67?? For f*ck sake.. MODS JUST DO SOMETHING!! IF YOU CAN'T NOW, JUST LOCK THE SCORING SYSTEM FOR ALL ANIME TILL YOU FIX THE PROBLEM!! Still better than doing nothing at all and just watch as the score drops further and further.. |
| It lost a whole point. That's fucked up. I don't think finding a solution in a few weeks will help a lot. It needs to be fixed as soon as possible. :( |
ClickBaitBuster said: Guys, I know you're frustrated because of the constipated twat responsible for this shit, but lashing out at the mods is a bit too match, the only thing they could do is basically sitting on the chair all day long doing nothing but deleting every single one of those hundreds of spam accounts, to do that one must have an extreme level of autism matched only by the faggot who created those accounts to begin with, with the possibility of the said faggot doing it again and again making all their efforts pointless. MAL is now way too big and its problem got big too, I mean the development team couldn't even fix the API issue to this day despite working on it for almost a year, and I don't want to think about when they'll be able to fix this problem AFTER getting around all the other ones in their top priority right now, whoever is running MAL currently should realize that they need to hire way more developers to fix MAL problems that piled up over the years faster than a snail would cross 1000 miles road at the very least. Heres a simple thought: Hire more mods then.. even if just temporarily. Im sure a lot of people would be willing to delete those troll accounts if it means the score goes back to what its actually was. Yes we can critize the mods, theres more than enough options they could choose to take but instead they do absolutely nothing. |
ClickBaitBuster said: Fionavar said: Idk.. hiring an army of mods and giving them the power of deleting accounts doesn't sound that reliable to me, a lot of them could be biased about the accounts they would delete depending on if they like the entry or not.Heres a simple thought: Hire more mods then.. even if just temporarily. Im sure a lot of people would be willing to delete those troll accounts if it means the score goes back to what its actually was. Yes we can critize the mods, theres more than enough options they could choose to take but instead they do absolutely nothing. Then get people that havent seen the anime and are thus unbiased to do it? |
ClickBaitBuster said: Eh.. what? I was talking about deleting spam accounts from all entries, not only Chihayafuru, I hope we're in the same page. Oh I see.. sorry my bad. Well right now the only airing anime that is affected right now is Chihayafuru(I think), so that should have higher priority right now. Also they ARE still working on a permanent solution for this problem so other animes/mangas would be taken care of that as well. Just at a later time. |
Luna said: Meusnier said: Otherwise, thank you @Luna for providing us with at least a real explanation why it is not possible to delete manually those accounts. However, since this is happening since years, and considering the very violent FMAB/SnK war this summer, I am surprised that nothing has been implemented in the meantime. For example, is this possible to create multiple accounts with the same email address? To answer this question I need to give you some history on MAL: MAL was owned by CraveOnline from 2008 to 2015 and they did basically nothing for the site. We had hundreds of bugs that no one fixed and of course we also didn't get any new features. DeNA took over in 2015 and started fixing many of the bugs we had and also implemented many new features. We brought up the rating troll problem and discussed it with them, also had some plans. But there were still too many other things to fix and do from all the years of no development and then we started having the problems with the API and website security downtime last year. MAL was sold yet again, this time to Media Do who took over in the first half of this year. Transferring the website to the new owners took a long time and even now things are still slow. The development team is also currently focused on the API so that people can use apps for the website again. So yeah... our biggest problems are that we've had too many things to fix from a time when the owner didn't care about us plus that we can't do anything ourselves and always have to wait until the dev team of the company that owns us has free resources. We do have measures against spam/troll accounts (which I won't discuss so that people won't get around them) but unfortunately it's not enough for the rating trolls. As Kineta said in the post we have ideas how to solve the problem, but we're still waiting for the devs to find time to implement them. Gorochu said: Any other more efficient way to contact Media Do, please suggest. If it's MAL related you can contact them via the Customer Support form at the end of this page: https://myanimelist.net/about.php?go=support Sounds like you're not yet able to fix this problem. The mismanaging from CraveOnline seems to be causing problems to this day and this mess right here is only one of them. Thank you for at least giving us this much info. |
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| Lmao what?! I swear the score was at around 8.00 a day or two ago, now its 7.6ish, but I guess it'll continue until the mods get their stuff together and implement new features or something. My guess is that the score will go into the 6's before it stops, but that's what happens when hardly anyone scores a show, it'll leave it right open for spamming and trolling |
| 15% and keep rising... This is honestly sad. The mods and developers are basically playing waiting game. If this kind of workflow keeps going on, I'm afraid this particular case will be left astray without any answer. |
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| I am hoping that they also put a more "real" solution but can also ban the fake accounts? |
| 779 of 1/10 (16%) 😭 2 hours ago were 730.. This is becoming worse every hour. Someone please do something soon. 🙏🙏 |
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ThatShiny_Hex said: What the actual fuck. I thought it would have ended once it reached 8 I bet earlier on 50% of 1/10 before a solution appears, and at this rate, we will converge to this situation in two or three weeks if the mentally unstable individuals (I just cannot comprehend how one could become so "dedicated" at such pointless task, and what could the feeling of complete void after a day spent creating false accounts to hate some unknown anime on some website) behind this hate campaign do not grow weary in the meantime. I actually wonder if this is not possible to completely automatize the creation of false accounts; considering the possibility of the latter makes we wonder why admins did not think about a way to prevent the creation of false accounts to start with. |
| MAL is such a shit website lmao |
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| This is by far the saddest anime betrayal. If a core feature of MAL can be so easily manipulated, it has to be disabled until a solution is found imo! Freeze at least the score of this show to the date all started. By not taking action you feed indirectly the trolls, enough people got unhappy about this issue already. Just because it has not a big community like FMAB or SnK with their million members, doesn't mean Chihayafuru doesn't deserve the same sensitive treatment as them. I think MAL is loosing a lot of its reputation right now! |
JRVV17 said: And if you actually look for it on reddit they deleted the thread for being misleading and not accurate. So yeah.Boriskelkun said: Apparently the downvote of this show could be the fact of the Chinese government because the author of Chihayafuru has liked a tweet about the hong kong situation, and has become blacklisted and censored in China, and apparently they are targeting the audience of the show in the west. I saw a post on reddit about that. Just want to let you guys know. The trolling with 1s started even before the tweet. It's just one person doing 750+ accounts to downvoting it. |
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| I don't know what is more pathetic MAL not being able to solve this issue or the dude making dozens of accounts to downvote a cartoon. |
| 7.54 now and 16% voted as 1. Lol this is just ridiculous, well done MAL. |
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| Just bring back the report illegitimate thread already. |
Gorochu said: Can we just bring back the Illegitimate Accounts thread as temporary solution? https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=245618&show=4750 And maybe give more power to mod/admin to delete account? I agree, maybe having mods hired specifically for deleting bot accounts? I have worked as an admin in other forums and I had the task of removing these kind of accounts as well, I know it's a frustrating thing to do, but for the time being it seems like a reasonable solution. Also, it would be cool if they'd stop talking about "top scores" on Facebook with everything that's happening, because that will make things even worse. |
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| I understand the frustration and anger that flushes in every time the score drops a tier, this series really does NOT deserve such an underhanded treatment. 16.0% giving 1s, this is mad hilarious and infuriating at the same time. With that said however, this is just a temporary little change. Kineta is working on it so just give it a bit more time, is all I have to say. Once the score drops below 7.00 though, I can't guarantee I'll be able to keep my cool then. @HikariShoumeiron @Gorochu, mods specifically hired for deleting bot accounts sounds like an actual solution on paper. I don't see the harm in trying it considering how out of hand this problem is getting lately. |
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| What fanbase is doing this? Just curious. |
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TheTexhnolyzed said: What fanbase is doing this? Just curious. Vinland Saga. Chihayafuru 3 surpass Vinland Saga in currently airing show,only then down vote happen. The same old troll accounts also give Vinland Saga 10/10. |
Friedrich84e said: Snk , Fmab didn't get a solution either. Snk would have been #2 instead of #5 though while Fmab only fixation was about bug not bot accounts.This is by far the saddest anime betrayal. If a core feature of MAL can be so easily manipulated, it has to be disabled until a solution is found imo! Freeze at least the score of this show to the date all started. By not taking action you feed indirectly the trolls, enough people got unhappy about this issue already. Just because it has not a big community like FMAB or SnK with their million members, doesn't mean Chihayafuru doesn't deserve the same sensitive treatment as them. I think MAL is loosing a lot of its reputation right now! |
PeetiNov 23, 2019 10:19 PM
| "I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
Gorochu said: TheTexhnolyzed said: What fanbase is doing this? Just curious. Vinland Saga. Chihayafuru 3 surpass Vinland Saga in currently airing show,only then down vote happen. The same old troll accounts also give Vinland Saga 10/10. Wth! I am a part of that fanbase but I am losing respect for them because of this. What the f*ck. I hated AOT S3 Part 2 but I didn't go so far as making troll accounts to downvote it. Damn.....disappointing. |
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TheTexhnolyzed said: Gorochu said: Vinland Saga. Chihayafuru 3 surpass Vinland Saga in currently airing show,only then down vote happen. The same old troll accounts also give Vinland Saga 10/10. Wth! I am a part of that fanbase but I am losing respect for them because of this. What the f*ck. I hated AOT S3 Part 2 but I didn't go so far as making troll accounts to downvote it. Damn.....disappointing. Of course it is extremely likely that Chihayafuru>Vinland in score started all this, but since in the end just a few individuals are responsible for this, I do not think that we can blame a specific fanbase (although some Vinland guys came to these threads to say that whatever Vinland is better or that Chihayafuru "deserves <8" so it was fine). |
| 16% 1 votes now? Holy crap. This is now beyond absurd...and pathetic. What's more incredible is how MAL is fully aware of this and is not doing and won't do anything about it... |
| Not sure if anyone else has noticed it, but not only this anime is being down voted. Anime episodes that get a 85%+ of 5/5 votes are being down voted by some kind of script. Fake accounts give these episodes some 1/5,2/5 and 3/5 votes, until it goes below 70%. It's not as bad as down voting an entire anime, but I find this annoying too. |
-Aincrad-Nov 24, 2019 12:59 AM
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