Chihayafuru
| Well most novels on mal with high scores have the same problem, they get spammed by fake accounts so it's just a matter of how much time will pass before whatever reaches the top 50 gets hammered like that. It has been the case for probably 5 -6 years at least. Top novel on mal is pretty much useless, nothing targeted aside of very popular (and therefore large enough fanbase to withstand that stupidity ) can stay in it whenever that happens and this happens like every few months. Mods used to delete fake accounts but apparently they're recently decided to stop doing so, so I'm afraid there's not that much hope for mod's intervention. |
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Luna said: Meusnier said: Otherwise, thank you @Luna for providing us with at least a real explanation why it is not possible to delete manually those accounts. However, since this is happening since years, and considering the very violent FMAB/SnK war this summer, I am surprised that nothing has been implemented in the meantime. For example, is this possible to create multiple accounts with the same email address? To answer this question I need to give you some history on MAL: MAL was owned by CraveOnline from 2008 to 2015 and they did basically nothing for the site. We had hundreds of bugs that no one fixed and of course we also didn't get any new features. DeNA took over in 2015 and started fixing many of the bugs we had and also implemented many new features. We brought up the rating troll problem and discussed it with them, also had some plans. But there were still too many other things to fix and do from all the years of no development and then we started having the problems with the API and website security downtime last year. MAL was sold yet again, this time to Media Do who took over in the first half of this year. Transferring the website to the new owners took a long time and even now things are still slow. The development team is also currently focused on the API so that people can use apps for the website again. So yeah... our biggest problems are that we've had too many things to fix from a time when the owner didn't care about us plus that we can't do anything ourselves and always have to wait until the dev team of the company that owns us has free resources. We do have measures against spam/troll accounts (which I won't discuss so that people won't get around them) but unfortunately it's not enough for the rating trolls. As Kineta said in the post we have ideas how to solve the problem, but we're still waiting for the devs to find time to implement them. Gorochu said: Any other more efficient way to contact Media Do, please suggest. If it's MAL related you can contact them via the Customer Support form at the end of this page: https://myanimelist.net/about.php?go=support Thank you for your detailed answer. I hope that the measures will be implemented in a near future, at least before the end of this double season (24 episodes). Just one point that puzzles me; the measures to counter bots/haters that you referred to cannot be very efficient since a single guy could bypass them. To use a metaphor which may have some echo here, MAL act as the police in Death Note when they claim that . @shanimebib 2016 and above 9 means Kimi no na ha! |
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| sadly the mods will propably ignore this and the complaints will die soon because this series doesn't has a big fanbase.and many who're out of the loop will see the score and think that it flopped in s3 and ignore the series as a whole. |
crossx1993 said: sadly the mods will propably ignore this and the complaints will die soon because this series doesn't has a big fanbase.and many who're out of the loop will see the score and think that it flopped in s3 and ignore the series as a whole. An administrator literally just posted that they were looking into a fix for this as soon as possible. They also said that mods are unable to do anything about it and only administrators can. Read the entire thread before saying things like this, otherwise you look like an absolute moron. |
| Here is probably close to complete list of multiple downvoting accounts for Chihayafuru 3 thus far (over 1500 accounts including those in post #447): I haven't included accounts that are simply adding Chihayafuru 3 to their regular list only to give it "1" even without watching previous seasons as everyone should be able to rate a show as they want. However if someone creates an account for a sole purpose to downvote one show or downvote one and upvote the other because of obvious reasons should have their account deleted in my opinion. Continued in post #447 Edit: added new bot accounts |
LinaerisDec 3, 2019 2:28 AM
| Oh my god, the rating was at like 8.6 and the highest of the airing animes and now this happens... :( The dismissal of Chihayafuru is so unreal. People just can't appreciate art nowadays |
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ycleped said: crossx1993 said: sadly the mods will propably ignore this and the complaints will die soon because this series doesn't has a big fanbase.and many who're out of the loop will see the score and think that it flopped in s3 and ignore the series as a whole. An administrator literally just posted that they were looking into a fix for this as soon as possible. They also said that mods are unable to do anything about it and only administrators can. Read the entire thread before saying things like this, otherwise you look like an absolute moron. don't take me wrong,i really hope that this will be fixed,but my problem is there were some cases like this with no solution until now like the violet evergarden movie wich is now in the 7,5's with 12% 1 score. |
crossx1993 said: ycleped said: An administrator literally just posted that they were looking into a fix for this as soon as possible. They also said that mods are unable to do anything about it and only administrators can. Read the entire thread before saying things like this, otherwise you look like an absolute moron. don't take me wrong,i really hope that this will be fixed,but my problem is there were some cases like this with no solution until now like the violet evergarden movie wich is now in the 7,5's with 12% 1 score. Yes, but here they specifically stated they are looking for a solution and they aren't ignoring it. |
| I was curious why currently airing anime that had a score of 8.60+/10.00 and reached 1st place in "Top Airing Anime" rank, suddenly not only dropped from the highest position, but is even below Top 5. It's a sad situation indeed. A person who made all those troll accounts only to dramatically lower the score of Chihayafuru 3 must have a sad and boring life if simply seeing an anime ranked higher than his/her favorite one makes him/her do that kind of stuff... At least I managed to see it at 1st place. When I checked out what was it all about I remembered that I read about its Season 1 once, long ago, but forgot the name for this anime and later forgot about it totally. Thanks to being able to easily notice it, as for it had 1st position, I reminded myself about this show. Now I want to check out its Season 1. |
Papa_ScorchNov 16, 2019 6:48 PM
| This is embarrassing, really. I know no sh*t about web security or a solution for this baffling problem we've had. I personally believe MAL to be the most reliable anime & manga database. Though I couldn't care less about the scores because it has been unreliable since forever, but I can't hide my desperate sigh if one of my (and other user's) favorite series got spammed by these clearly bots accounts and whoever human animal behind it all. Again, I know nothing about web security and stuff but as a casual user, to have a reliable scoring system is a bliss. It truly is. I know this bot issue is minor in the eye of developers, but this certainly can't continue, right? |
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| This is just sad. Hope this gets sorted out |
SomeGuyWithHair said: Holy crap, it went from 8.6 to 7.9. Who the hell are these people? Why aren't the mods doing anything? For Descartes's sake, please read the whole thread before asking this kind of questions. An admin actually answered to explain why mods are not doing anything, and the two closed threads give plenty of detail on the whole incident. |
chiakimagoto said: Wow, what do people do with their lives? I mean what gets you crazy enough to make gawd how many account just to troll around??? Simple, those trolls have no lives, lol: showing in how much free time they have in their hands just to troll around: creating all those fake new accounts on Nov.14th just to drop vote Chihayafuru's score proves it: let's hope what the fans put all the evidence together will be worth it to sorted out this problem before this gets worst with troll invasion taking over the entire score scale and we can't have that. Chihayafuru fans REJOICE, WE CAN DO IT!!!! :) |
| In my opinion new accounts shouldn't be given the power to score currently airing shows. Like, for example an account that is created in Fall 2019, it should be eligible to score the Fall 2019 shows in Winter 2020. For already aired shows, there should be some comment compulsory while scoring for these new accounts, disallowing duplicate comments. This will make sure there is no copy paste of comments by bot accounts. This will make the lives of trolls harder. If an anime has drastic change in score after it has finished airing, it'll be easy to identify bots based on the patterns. Or the accounts can be assigned levels, and you'll have to reach certain level before your score submissions are accepted. There are many ways if devs stop slacking off. |
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| Kineta has left a statement on the matter here, which I highly recommend reading: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=245618&show=4750#msg58671593 Kineta said: We've been getting an increase in reports and PMs recently since the large score change in Chihayafuru 3, so I wanted to leave a message here to remind everyone we haven't forgotten or set it aside. In my weekly meetings with Media Do, this has continued to be a mentioned topic. I've prepared a number of potential solutions from Luna's and my side that we'd like to see applied together to make a more complex scoring calculation that isn't super easy to discover and circumvent. The bottle neck is essentially waiting on the developers/tech team to come back with a review of our suggestions (and possible ideas of their own) so that we can agree on a plan and implementation can start. Unfortunately, with the 15th anniversary giveaway and MAL Live, there was only so much that could be done the last 2 months since devs cannot be conjured out of thin air. Additionally, the team is hesitant to apply changes hastily without careful consideration, so it's not just coding time but also consideration and review time. On one hand, cases like Chihayafuru make Luna and I very angry, and incentivize us to delete these accounts. However, rationally speaking, these trolls are actually helping us, because it gives me a very strong playing card to demand urgency on backend changes (as compared to slow leeching or boosting of scores). So while the situation makes me angry and that emotion makes me want to sink 2-3 hours into deleting accounts... Logically, the only thing this would do is apply a temporary bandaid to a much larger problem—a bandaid that some snot-faced kid can rip off in the 8 hours I'm at my day job. So as much as the impassioned part of us wants to go on a rating troll account siege, Luna and I recognize that time truly would be wasted time. Hopefully, this message provides a bit of reassurance, even though I realize it essentially boils down to: please wait a bit more. |
| Guys,if you want to do something to help our admin and mods, please send a message to Media Do directly here. https://myanimelist.net/about.php?go=support I have sent my message to Media Do,if more of us do this together,it's better. I hope Media Do willing to ban IP address on those bots. |
| I wrote a script to detect bot accounts and ran it against the stats of Chihayafuru 3. It detected 340 bot accounts. I wrote the parameters to be a bit strict such that it's less likely to give false positives but the downside is that it might give false negatives as well and therefore not detecting a bot account. Also it's not perfect. I may need to do some tweaks here and there but anyways here's the 340 accounts it detected. If anyone finds any false positives (i.e. real account that was detected as a bot) please let me know. Accounts The script is like only 60 something lines and it didn't take that long to write. Heh I wonder how much time and resources the person creating all these bots took. Edit: Oh yeah and I noticed the person creating bots recently started modifying stuff to make it harder to detect his accounts. This script won't detect those, for now it detects the somewhat easier to detect ones but I may have an idea on how to detect those. Not sure if I'll actually bother to implement it though. @Linaeris - Did you manually make that list of accounts or did you also write a script? Btw if anyone wants I could run the script on some other anime as well. @Luna - Your post was really well written. Although do admins not have some mass blocking feature? |
xLoopNov 17, 2019 4:06 AM
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-InfiniteLoop- said: I wrote a script to detect bot accounts and ran it against the stats of Chihayafuru 3. It detected 340 bot accounts. I wrote the parameters to be a bit strict such that it's less likely to give false positives but the downside is that it might give false negatives as well and therefore not detecting a bot account. Also it's not perfect. I may need to do some tweaks here and there but anyways here's the 340 accounts it detected. If anyone finds any false positives (i.e. real account that was detected as a bot) please let me know. Accounts The script is like only 60 something lines and it didn't take that long to write. Heh I wonder how much time and resources the person creating all these bots took. @Linaeris - Did you manually make that list of accounts or did you also write a script? Btw if anyone wants I could run the script on some other anime as well. Should report your findings to Media Do here. https://myanimelist.net/about.php?go=support |
| @Xtasy Kimi no Na wa had a very high rating at the beginning, then it got downvoted to hell while FMA:B strongly upvoted. Without the trolls Kimi no Na wa had settled with a fair 9.30 back then. It’s literally impossibile to get higher than FMA:B, HxH or S;G. Their fanbases are toxic and will downvote anything surpassing them (the latest example would be SNK 3). 1s weight way more than 10s |
XenocrisiNov 17, 2019 4:24 AM
-InfiniteLoop- said: I wrote a script to detect bot accounts and ran it against the stats of Chihayafuru 3. It detected 340 bot accounts. I wrote the parameters to be a bit strict such that it's less likely to give false positives but the downside is that it might give false negatives as well and therefore not detecting a bot account. Also it's not perfect. I may need to do some tweaks here and there but anyways here's the 340 accounts it detected. If anyone finds any false positives (i.e. real account that was detected as a bot) please let me know. Accounts The script is like only 60 something lines and it didn't take that long to write. Heh I wonder how much time and resources the person creating all these bots took. Edit: Oh yeah and I noticed the person creating bots recently started modifying stuff to make it harder to detect his accounts. This script won't detect those, for now it detects the somewhat easier to detect ones but I may have an idea on how to detect those. Not sure if I'll actually bother to implement it though. @Linaeris - Did you manually make that list of accounts or did you also write a script? Btw if anyone wants I could run the script on some other anime as well. @Luna - Your post was really well written. Although do admins not have some mass blocking feature? I only checked 20 accounts, and found no false positives, so I think that your script works quite well (assuming normal distribution, the probability is quite small to have any). Funny to see that some favorite characters are added sometimes, and other series (as Vinland) like Shinchou Yuusha: Kono Yuusha ga Ore Tueee Kuse ni Shinchou Sugiru, KnY, BnHA, SAO get 10/10 (also, Chihayafuru S3 is sometimes dropped, sometimes in "watching" mode, etc). As it was mentioned previously, Aria is also targeted. |
| Yes I did this manually. I have been keeping an eye for Chihayafuru 3 ratings for more less 2 weeks. The account list, like I mentioned earlier, are cases which I couldn't find any other reason for existence than to downvote Chihayafuru 3 (sometimes with addition of downvoting/upvoting other shows as well). The empty lines between indicate different times of activity in more less chronological order for last more less 2-3 weeks (assumption being that they might be created by different people). Some of them had made their lists private but time of creation and statistics such as episode count, number of titles, naming patterns and so on indicate that each group were done by single individual. The two cases of double accounts (second and third group I might reconsider before deleting both accounts as some people create 2 accounts and in a "heat of a moment" downvote a show which may overtake their favorite - maybe deleting one of each). Fourth group (4 accounts) is kinda patternless (other than downvoting Chihayafuru), they are rating trolls without a doubt but not necessary multiple accounts (maybe besides lakshya272 as the name suggest it might belong to the biggest group). Also I have seen strange occurrence in Chihayafuru 3 ratings on anilist website 3 or 4 days ago where suddenly number of "4" suddenly jumped from 1 to 6 when Chihayafuru were to overtake BnHA 4. It is kinda interesting seeing that happen on other ratings sites as well in a similar time and circumstances. |
LinaerisNov 17, 2019 5:14 AM
| Mass down voting has been a thing for quite some time so this is nothing new. |
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| I havent seen Chihaya yet so I dont know why is this happening. When snk4 came out and started to get 9s and 10s, a lot of fmab fans created new acc to lower the score but, why would chihaya be the target of this bullying? |
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| @Luchse Ofc it is nothing new but users were able to report illegal accounts earlier and things were kept more less in order as there weren't so many things to keep an eye on for mods and administrators and things weren't happening so fast in the industry. That is why I suggested back then an idea to automatically deleting accounts that haven't been used in any way for a year besides activity in the time of creation. Sadly it wasn't implemented. Also Chihayafuru 3 is a rather niche anime (suffering big time as far as ratings go when being downvoted) which actually has many great things about it that I believe many people would enjoy, unfortunately it is often dismissed for all the wrong reasons. |
LinaerisNov 17, 2019 5:54 AM
| First we have the FMAB score bug, which let stupid enraged fanboys of the show downgrading SNK S3 pt 2 score. The show would still be the 2nd best rated of all time if it wasn't for those attacks. After that, we had Kimetsu no Yaiba, which still has a 8.94 score. MAL community is defending the show as being one of the best of all time only for a 3 minute fight scene with a plotline of "friendship power". And now Chihayafuru 3 is being attacked just for the sake of it. This is legit the best year I had with watching anime. But thanks to this community, I've legitimately have never been so uninterested in it. At least for me, discussing the show and actually being part of the community was part of the experience of being an anime fan. And right now, no matter where I go, most of the community is unbearable |
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Meusnier said: this issue is getting out of hanvd when the fans are blaming other anime that had a lower score and hated since forever.-InfiniteLoop- said: I wrote a script to detect bot accounts and ran it against the stats of Chihayafuru 3. It detected 340 bot accounts. I wrote the parameters to be a bit strict such that it's less likely to give false positives but the downside is that it might give false negatives as well and therefore not detecting a bot account. Also it's not perfect. I may need to do some tweaks here and there but anyways here's the 340 accounts it detected. If anyone finds any false positives (i.e. real account that was detected as a bot) please let me know. Accounts The script is like only 60 something lines and it didn't take that long to write. Heh I wonder how much time and resources the person creating all these bots took. Edit: Oh yeah and I noticed the person creating bots recently started modifying stuff to make it harder to detect his accounts. This script won't detect those, for now it detects the somewhat easier to detect ones but I may have an idea on how to detect those. Not sure if I'll actually bother to implement it though. @Linaeris - Did you manually make that list of accounts or did you also write a script? Btw if anyone wants I could run the script on some other anime as well. @Luna - Your post was really well written. Although do admins not have some mass blocking feature? I only checked 20 accounts, and found no false positives, so I think that your script works quite well (assuming normal distribution, the probability is quite small to have any). Funny to see that some favorite characters are added sometimes, and other series (as Vinland) like Shinchou Yuusha: Kono Yuusha ga Ore Tueee Kuse ni Shinchou Sugiru, KnY, BnHA, SAO get 10/10 (also, Chihayafuru S3 is sometimes dropped, sometimes in "watching" mode, etc). As it was mentioned previously, Aria is also targeted. |
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| this issue is getting out of hanvd when the fans are blaming other anime that had a lower score and hated since forever.[/quote] Yes indeed, but it may hopefully have positive side effects. Now, I start to be really intrigued by Aria and might check it later! Hope the same works for Chihayafuru. |
thiago52192 said: First we have the FMAB score bug, which let stupid enraged fanboys of the show downgrading SNK S3 pt 2 score. The show would still be the 2nd best rated of all time if it wasn't for those attacks. No, you do know that was a glitch in the database right? On topic, though score isn't meant to be taken seriously on any site imo. |
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| Another multiple accounts case but this time upvoting Chihayafuru 3 and... not downvoting anything in most cases (currently 400) I understand where it is coming from but please you don't need to do that. Edit: adding new accounts |
LinaerisNov 26, 2019 7:21 AM
DHancock said: Chihayafuru 3 with a 10% of 1's due to trolling and hating. This is what MAL community has become. Nothing more to add. I hope moderator do something to erradicate this no sense. It has always been like this post Sword Art Online era. That's when the community took a drastic change in the overal scoring attitude. Cowboy Bebop used to sit on number 1. As wel as Gurren Lagann and Clanned the After Story. People rate shows in a different manner nowadays, especially due to MAL score's playing a huge factor to people's frail nature. |
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thiago52192 said: After that, we had Kimetsu no Yaiba, which still has a 8.94 score. MAL community is defending the show as being one of the best of all time only for a 3 minute fight scene with a plotline of "friendship power". Family love power not friendship power. |
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thiago52192 said: First we have the FMAB score bug, which let stupid enraged fanboys of the show downgrading SNK S3 pt 2 score. The show would still be the 2nd best rated of all time if it wasn't for those attacks. After that, we had Kimetsu no Yaiba, which still has a 8.94 score. MAL community is defending the show as being one of the best of all time only for a 3 minute fight scene with a plotline of "friendship power". And now Chihayafuru 3 is being attacked just for the sake of it. This is legit the best year I had with watching anime. But thanks to this community, I've legitimately have never been so uninterested in it. At least for me, discussing the show and actually being part of the community was part of the experience of being an anime fan. And right now, no matter where I go, most of the community is unbearable People like KnY for more than just the fight scene in episode 19. I know you've basically made it your mission to call it overrated in any thread you can, but don't be disingenuous. |
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Tropisch said: thiago52192 said: First we have the FMAB score bug, which let stupid enraged fanboys of the show downgrading SNK S3 pt 2 score. The show would still be the 2nd best rated of all time if it wasn't for those attacks. No, you do know that was a glitch in the database right? On topic, though score isn't meant to be taken seriously on any site imo. Yes, that's why I said as "FMAB score bug". But what happend to SNK S3 pt 2 score wasn't a glitch bastek66 said: I'm aware of that. I stated as "friendship power" because that's the crticism most people are familiar with, and it basically applies to any kind of "strong bond" powerthiago52192 said: After that, we had Kimetsu no Yaiba, which still has a 8.94 score. MAL community is defending the show as being one of the best of all time only for a 3 minute fight scene with a plotline of "friendship power". Family love power not friendship power. TsukuyomiREKT said: thiago52192 said: After that, we had Kimetsu no Yaiba, which still has a 8.94 score. MAL community is defending the show as being one of the best of all time only for a 3 minute fight scene with a plotline of "friendship power". People like KnY for more than just the fight scene in episode 19. I know you've basically made it your mission to call it overrated in any thread you can, but don't be disingenuous. People do like the show for more then the episode 19, but most of them certainly started to treated as one of the best shows of all time after it. And I'm not pulling that out of my ass, as you're trying to imply. This has been proved by MAL's statistics a long time ago: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1803617 |
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thiago52192 said: Tropisch said: No, you do know that was a glitch in the database right? On topic, though score isn't meant to be taken seriously on any site imo. Yes, that's why I said as "FMAB score bug". But what happend to SNK S3 pt 2 score wasn't a glitch I'm aware of that. I stated as "friendship power" because that's the crticism most people are familiar with, and it basically applies to any kind of "strong bond" power TsukuyomiREKT said: People like KnY for more than just the fight scene in episode 19. I know you've basically made it your mission to call it overrated in any thread you can, but don't be disingenuous. People do like the show for more then the episode 19, but most of them certainly started to treated as one of the best shows of all time after it. And I'm not pulling that out of my ass, as you're trying to imply. This has been proved by MAL's statistics a long time ago: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1803617 I'm not saying that you're making it up. I know the show got way more popular after ep 19 aired. It's just disingenuous to act like the hype that episode created around the show was the sole reason that anyone praised it. |
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| What the fuck is this I pity these people downvoting a really good anime like Chihayafuru I currently watchin this anime anime and this deserve an 8.50 + on how the story is progressing and now last time i seen it, its on 8.15 now its become 7.8 like cmon bruh Thats so obvious that these retards shaming on this because this anime is top on the list in terms of rating and quality.The latest episode is probably one of the best this season. Well i dont mind the scores in MAL they are shit even before but this is disturbing to see |
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RealTheAbsurdist said: It actually is a rather serious issue. The ones partaking in that are usually die hard fans of a certain show and if you take your time to go through the sea of 1's you'd be able to easily distinguish from whence they came from.Is the issue of people making alternate accounts to lower/increase ratings that serious? Or is it just a very select few people? |
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| People have too much time on their hands if they can spend hours making fake accounts just to do something silly like this. To see Chihayafuru's score go from 8.5(when I first saw it's score) to 7.9 is quite the jump. |
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| Counter botting now to even it out, lmao. |
| some years ago the top rated shows were my guide to pick a new show to watch but then the Gintama take over happened an now i just watch whatever gets my attention |
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silversaint said: This has nothing to do with Gintama but oh well...some years ago the top rated shows were my guide to pick a new show to watch but then the Gintama take over happened an now i just watch whatever gets my attention |
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| It hasn't been relevant for a LONG time. Ppl have different views on stuff, and some of the ratings are based on hype trains. SAO, shield hero, are examples of shitty anime with hype trains backing them up. Golden kamuy is better than half of the top 100 anime but I don't see it there. |
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