Vinland Saga
| @Mythologically You're the first one who insulted my character. I may have been agressive in my first post to you but that's because I thought you could handle it. You came here for flamewars, it was my mistake to expect reasonable arguments coming out of you. Don't whine about insults, I've seen you on these forums before, even your reviews are full of insults. Really don't know why you make a big deal out of it >Calls my post a stream of verbal diarrhea Comes up with this meaningless bullshit You cannot prove that a character is one-dimensional because every single character is at least one-dimensional. That is the baseline for a character, as a character cannot be zero-dimensional.As such, you cannot prove that a character is one-dimensional. You can provide evidence for it, and you can disprove that a character is one-dimensional by providing evidence showing that the character is complex. However, definitively proving that a character is one-dimensional is impossible, as any evidence you provide could still be nullified by counter-evidence. How is that in any way difficult to understand or confusing? I didn't set out to prove that Thorfinn is one-dimensional, I provided evidence for it. However, if you can show how Thorfinn is a complex character, then my evidence is meaningless. See how that works? In my first reply I asked you to explain why Thorfinn is one-dimensional. Your reply to me suggested ''no one can provide evidence'', thank you for proving that because you seem to be of the illusion ''me angry'' is a good argument. You pretty much ask me to argue semantics. I don't know what you think is ''complex''. I don't know why you believe Thorfinn is one-dimensional. I don't think you use these words the way they're supposed to, just keep it to ''me don't like''. And that brings me to the only paragraph where you actually made any point whatsoever. And hey, at least you finally gave me a valid point to work with! Let's say that what you have said about Thorfinn, to you, makes him a satisfactory & complex character. Good for you, then. I'm glad you enjoy the show. For me, having multiple personality traits doesn't make a character complex. Same with him growing up and being different from when he was a kid, same with him going "grrr me angry now me want revenge (but i don't want to just kill him, i want to reclaim my dad's honor!)" when his dad died, and same with him being conflicted because he has to kill people even though his dad said that killing people is bad. To me, that is uninspired writing that is neither interesting nor engaging & is aimed at the lowest common denominator. Guess we'll have to disagree on this one. Very meaningful, you really made clear what actual complexity is to you. Just say ''I don't enjoy watching it'' next time. I never even said I find Thorfinn complex, just that he's a character with enough depth as of now (major development incoming apparently by manga readers). I've proven why Thorfinn isn't one-dimensional. I really don't know what makes you think I care if you find this series good or not, I only wanted to argue your points. I thought you had more to say, but I guess you're empty already. You keep repeating the same unsubstantiated shit. Regarding Thors, I think we already established that this series isn't completely realistic (and has no intention to, for drama). Of course his encounter with Askeladd was over the top, I don't disagree with that. I think that him being a deserter and psychologically damaged is easily believable. He knew he had to die anyway, Floki would've 100% attacked the village if he didn't receive Thor's head, that's another point that makes his actions logical to me. Anyway, your whole post doesn't actually disprove anything that I say, but instead is just "this is not a criticism because I disagree with it". Stop acting like your opinions are all that matters. They do matter more than yours, you're out here to bait and spout your self-absorded hateful opinions. I thought you were capable of more @Hajime_Hinata Far from, but I respect the wanking :typo |
EsquirtitSep 23, 2019 4:33 PM
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| @Najumobi @Hajime_Hinata Okay, seems people believe I insulted him first. Come on, we're on a anime forum in the 21th century. We're all beta males compared to Thors. Jokes aren't allowed anymore, even if aimed at someone who's clearly baiting and has a very edgy written review. Fucking hell, so this is why it turned out to be a bit of a flamewar? Didn't even remember I ''insulted'' him. @Mythologically Sorry dude, I didn't mean to ''verbally abuse'' you. I didn't read all of your replies to Tsukuyomi, I would've adressed that first but I went straight away to your post that adressed my points. Seriously, I apologize for that. |
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| If I had to guess it'd be that vikings are boring. I'm certainly not interested at all based on what I've read, but I am curious since it's got such a high score. |
najumobi said: Not at all. I don't know/remember your prior statements. My comment was only directed at the disgust I believed I detected from his sarcastic statement, & it was intended strictly to expresses my alignment with the sentiment. Sure, but I believe depending on how people present themselves insults can be justified. So personally I'm not that disgusted by it if there's still room for conversation. |
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heg said: Yo, debates are heated up here recently.there is still less than 200K members at the moment now dont get me wrong that kind of number is popular (afaik anything that reach 100K members on an anime entry here on MAL with its current 6 million total users is popular already) but to me its not reaching Attack on Titan levels yet? should they have aired this on CrunchyRoll instead that has like 45million users at the moment instead of Amazon Prime which i do not know how many users it has and probably a lot less than CrunchyRoll have or are there any other reason why its not getting more popular right now? |
| "I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
| Okay. Okay. To make it simple. Is Vinland Saga still slept on or is it getting popular now? You can look at the amount of fanarts of an anime to know the answer. As I said before, if the characters aren't moeshit, then it won't be popular. |
| "Reaching attack of titan level" maybe one or two animes every year could eventually be called that way, this anime isn't one of these |
| Signature removed. Please have a positive iq. |
| I Read this thread with berserk golden age ost in the background, it feels good. |
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Mythologically said: I think the main thing hindering Vinland Saga's popularity growth is that it is garbage. True but being garbage isn't stoppning KnY from being popular. |
| Oh god this thread is major flaming bait. I'm surprised that no mod has locked it yet. |
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Jfs_ said: hehe, your post is gold. 24-carrot gold.I Read this thread with berserk golden age ost in the background, it feels good. |
| "I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
Roevhaal said: Mythologically said: I think the main thing hindering Vinland Saga's popularity growth is that it is garbage. True but being garbage isn't stoppning KnY from being popular. Well, your opinion doesn't matter at all. Idk why, but it still doesn't matter. Oh and you also have favourites, so don't talk with trash taste like that. |
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| This thread should be read while eating pop corns |
Xenocrisi said: This thread should be read while eating pop corns Save me some please! |
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| It's the most overrated and predictable anime that I have ever seen. I dropped it when Thor died since he was the only interesting character I can't stand his bratty son. |
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BlackPilled said: It's the most overrated and predictable anime that I have ever seen. I dropped it when Thor died since he was the only interesting character I can't stand his bratty son. Hell, why not. I'll drop my popcorn and get into a little debate shall we? While predictable, Thors' death acted more as a building block to the narrative. It could also represent the harsh reality of the world of the era he lived in, as acting like a pacifist would inevitably lead to your death. Oh, and it seems you just want a likable and relatable character. Rather than one whose character flaws (not technical) can be irritating to a casual audience. You'd probably hate Thorfinn even more later, so it's a good idea to keep it dropped. I hate the term "overrated" btw. Not because it's insult against the target, but because of the glaring subjectivity it has. It sometimes has hypocritical underlines. |
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Xenocrisi said: Same with Kimetsu no Yaiba threadsThis thread should be read while eating pop corns |
BlackPilled said: It's the most overrated and predictable anime that I have ever seen. I dropped it when Thor died since he was the only interesting character I can't stand his bratty son. "iT's OvErRaTeD" |
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mhkr said: Xenocrisi said: Same with Kimetsu no Yaiba threadsThis thread should be read while eating pop corns Let’s say both are pop corn entertainment worthy |
| Good, normies don't deserve it. |
| " is the popularity growth hindered by something?" It's not trashy and overly melodramatic enough to be popular. Also sometimes its characters try to solve or go around the problems instead of smashing them with will and dedication. The characters who don't do that are killed. This is a bit uncomfortable and surprising for some watchers. |
Vortex7 said: CorkMars said: Lol. Ofc. Nothing beats a kiddo screaming for three seasons that he wants to kill Titans. Most characters in Vinland are well drawn. We have Askeladd who just wants peace for his people and the world. Even though he's a man who wouldn't mind any dirty business, he's the perfect portrayal of how the Danes were portrayed in the 19th century. Noble Savages. Uncorrupted, accepting humanity at its raw form, accepting what needs to be done no matter how painful. We have Thorfinn who believes in honour, a huge part of Viking's life. Although his vision is obscured by vengeance, he still holds that ideal upright in his heart. We have prince Canute, a timid wise lion. You'll get to see more of his character development in the later episodes. you'll get to see why he became the greatest Anglo-Saxon King of all times. Not reaching Attack on Titan levels of popularity?? Are you ok? Is everything alright? The answer is obvious! Vinland Saga is simply not good. Attack on Titan is good and can appeal to a far wider audience. AoT has more realistic characters despite a fantasy setting, far better cg, better music, and an interesting plot full of mystery. When I watch AoT its because I have lots of things I'm curious about and want to fund out!! Vinland on the other hand has no stakes, no questions, and nothing remotely interesting about it to speak of!! The only conflict established in 9 episodes is that OP kid wants to kill goatee guy but won't do it in his sleep because he wants to honor his father (let it be noted that truly honoring his father would mean giving up on the cycle of violence and forgoing this sort of revenge plot.) The animation sucks, the plot sucks, and the characters suck. I was excited for Vinland ever since it was announced! I thought it was a show with seemingly endless potential. Now I tell my friends not to bother watching it unless they're still operating on a Dragon Ball/ Bleach/ Prince of Stride level of horribly childish anime taste. Please don't ask silly questions like this. If you actually think Vinland deserves to be one of the most popular anime of all time alongside AoT... Well there's really nothing I can do for you except laugh. It pains me that you think curiosity is everything when it comes to anime. You have a taste, and it's a common taste. But Vinland isn't built to make you question. It's a world slowly unfolding before your eyes, focusing on wavering ideologies, thirst for power, revenge, honour, Valhalla, and most importantly, the fight. The fight between empires, between idelogies, for freedom, for revenge, for saving your people, for plain old survival. Vinland Saga did justice to history. And it's clear as day that the studios and the creators poured their heart into it. The music is dope af. The animation looks pretty raw but sits well with the plot. You don't have to be so harsh towards an anime well done just because you have a mainstream mindset. Lol you've seen far less anime than me, you're favorite is Erased and you like Vinland Saga. I'm mainstream? Hm, okay. Also if you didn't;'t notice this series doesn't take place in the 19th century. It's okay if you just enjoy stupid fights and heavy breathing from an overpowered child MC. That may be very generic and childlike but you're allowed to like it's not the worst thing in the world. Just stop defending Vinland like it's high art and accept that it's generic shonen, and you like generic shonen. Vinland isn't doing anything that another anime hasn't done before and you'll see that when you watch a little more buddy. |
Vortex7 said: CorkMars said: Lol. Ofc. Nothing beats a kiddo screaming for three seasons that he wants to kill Titans. Most characters in Vinland are well drawn. We have Askeladd who just wants peace for his people and the world. Even though he's a man who wouldn't mind any dirty business, he's the perfect portrayal of how the Danes were portrayed in the 19th century. Noble Savages. Uncorrupted, accepting humanity at its raw form, accepting what needs to be done no matter how painful. We have Thorfinn who believes in honour, a huge part of Viking's life. Although his vision is obscured by vengeance, he still holds that ideal upright in his heart. We have prince Canute, a timid wise lion. You'll get to see more of his character development in the later episodes. you'll get to see why he became the greatest Anglo-Saxon King of all times. Not reaching Attack on Titan levels of popularity?? Are you ok? Is everything alright? The answer is obvious! Vinland Saga is simply not good. Attack on Titan is good and can appeal to a far wider audience. AoT has more realistic characters despite a fantasy setting, far better cg, better music, and an interesting plot full of mystery. When I watch AoT its because I have lots of things I'm curious about and want to fund out!! Vinland on the other hand has no stakes, no questions, and nothing remotely interesting about it to speak of!! The only conflict established in 9 episodes is that OP kid wants to kill goatee guy but won't do it in his sleep because he wants to honor his father (let it be noted that truly honoring his father would mean giving up on the cycle of violence and forgoing this sort of revenge plot.) The animation sucks, the plot sucks, and the characters suck. I was excited for Vinland ever since it was announced! I thought it was a show with seemingly endless potential. Now I tell my friends not to bother watching it unless they're still operating on a Dragon Ball/ Bleach/ Prince of Stride level of horribly childish anime taste. Please don't ask silly questions like this. If you actually think Vinland deserves to be one of the most popular anime of all time alongside AoT... Well there's really nothing I can do for you except laugh. It pains me that you think curiosity is everything when it comes to anime. You have a taste, and it's a common taste. But Vinland isn't built to make you question. It's a world slowly unfolding before your eyes, focusing on wavering ideologies, thirst for power, revenge, honour, Valhalla, and most importantly, the fight. The fight between empires, between idelogies, for freedom, for revenge, for saving your people, for plain old survival. Vinland Saga did justice to history. And it's clear as day that the studios and the creators poured their heart into it. The music is dope af. The animation looks pretty raw but sits well with the plot. You don't have to be so harsh towards an anime well done just because you have a mainstream mindset. Also I just noticed that you gave Akame ga kill! a 10. I rest my case. |
CorkMars said: Vortex7 said: Lol. Ofc. Nothing beats a kiddo screaming for three seasons that he wants to kill Titans. Most characters in Vinland are well drawn. We have Askeladd who just wants peace for his people and the world. Even though he's a man who wouldn't mind any dirty business, he's the perfect portrayal of how the Danes were portrayed in the 19th century. Noble Savages. Uncorrupted, accepting humanity at its raw form, accepting what needs to be done no matter how painful. We have Thorfinn who believes in honour, a huge part of Viking's life. Although his vision is obscured by vengeance, he still holds that ideal upright in his heart. We have prince Canute, a timid wise lion. You'll get to see more of his character development in the later episodes. you'll get to see why he became the greatest Anglo-Saxon King of all times. It pains me that you think curiosity is everything when it comes to anime. You have a taste, and it's a common taste. But Vinland isn't built to make you question. It's a world slowly unfolding before your eyes, focusing on wavering ideologies, thirst for power, revenge, honour, Valhalla, and most importantly, the fight. The fight between empires, between idelogies, for freedom, for revenge, for saving your people, for plain old survival. Vinland Saga did justice to history. And it's clear as day that the studios and the creators poured their heart into it. The music is dope af. The animation looks pretty raw but sits well with the plot. You don't have to be so harsh towards an anime well done just because you have a mainstream mindset. Also I just noticed that you gave Akame ga kill! a 10. I rest my case. Idiotic reply. Even if he gave SAO a 10 you still lose in this argument. |
| Oh yeah, this thread still exists. Time to grab some popcorn. |
LalatinaDarkness said: CorkMars said: Also I just noticed that you gave Akame ga kill! a 10. I rest my case. Idiotic reply. Even if he gave SAO a 10 you still lose in this argument. Okay Mr. Lalatina Darkness. I will trust in you and your ultimate wisdom as the final authority over this opinion we disagree on. Thanks buddy |
Vortex7 said: Lol. Ofc. Nothing beats a kiddo screaming for three seasons that he wants to kill Titans. Most characters in Vinland are well drawn. Don't get me wrong, I think Vinland Saga is really good, but as of yet, it's offered nothing that Attack on Titan hasn't already, aside from some intricate exploration of Askeladd's character in the last couple of episodes. The MC's motivations in both are fairly simple (at their respective points in the anime) and Vinland's story hasn't got me immersed yet. So it's easy to appreciate why it isn't catching on like AoT did, especially if you're an anime-only. Having read the manga, I know what happens in Vinland and Thorfinn develops into one of the best protagonists I've seen in Manga/Anime, but there is a particular point in his story that you will either love or hate. Certainly not one for those that love balls-to-the-wall action. |
| Attack on titan is a shonen and this is not. Shonen anime are more popular |
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xenosys said: Vortex7 said: Lol. Ofc. Nothing beats a kiddo screaming for three seasons that he wants to kill Titans. Most characters in Vinland are well drawn. Don't get me wrong, I think Vinland Saga is really good, but as of yet, it's offered nothing that Attack on Titan hasn't already, aside from some intricate exploration of Askeladd's character in the last couple of episodes. The MC's motivations in both are fairly simple (at their respective points in the anime) and Vinland's story hasn't got me immersed yet. So it's easy to appreciate why it isn't catching on like AoT did, especially if you're an anime-only. Having read the manga, I know what happens in Vinland and Thorfinn develops into one of the best protagonists I've seen in Manga/Anime, but there is a particular point in his story that you will either love or hate. Certainly not one for those that love balls-to-the-wall action. The difference is that Thorfinn isn't the only MC in this season at least. Having watched all episodes available (anime-only here), he'll be sidelined from this point until the last ep. One of the common criticisms from people because they're too fixated with his revenge story. CorkMars said: Okay Mr. Lalatina Darkness. I will trust in you and your ultimate wisdom as the final authority over this opinion we disagree on. Thanks buddy Yeah you should because I gave Akame ga Kill a 3/10 and my opinion on forums doesn't matter if I gave it more than 5 |
Tokyo ghoul is a seinen but yet it was really popular like other shounen series, it really doesn't matter. |
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