Vinland Saga Episode 9 Discussion

Sep 4, 2019 4:47 AM

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Kamiyan3991 said:

ChainxBastard said:
I'm not sure what formula you are expecting. Probably something more akin to the dramatic flair of a more kid/teen-friendly show.

Not having to watch this edgy kid would be enough. Srsly, I thought that his character might be interesting, but he f* refuse to turn off his emo-mode.

ChainxBastard said:
I am absolutely certain that if a show like Berserk 97' were to be aired today people would complain that "nothing was happening" and not understand that it's the journey that matters more than the destination (hence the word Saga in the title).

Oh, rly? I watched old Berserk like 2 years ago and it was very good. You're lookin' for excuses, but Saga is just MEH so far. And I really hate your usual "it gets better". Berserk was good right from the start.

ChainxBastard said:
It's the quiet moments, like Thorfinn with a pained and twisted expression saying "What's so enjoyable about battle?"

Or Askeladd telling that naieve kid how "Everyone is a slave to something," and the slave girl telling Thorfinn that "They were in the same position," etc, etc.

So deep. I feel like I'm drowning
Actually that "position" part was quite stupid, since she didn't even know him lol. What a mind-reader!

ChainxBastard said:
The fact that you couldn't pick up on these details, or that they hold very little weight to you, means that this show just may not be for you.

Yeah, I definitely couldn't pick up on random talks you hear everywhere.
You got me good, dear sir.

ChainxBastard said:
There is nothing mediocre about this show. The "average" anime does not possess the same level of depth that this one does. Not even close.

Everything about this was mehdiocre so far. Especially eps 1-3 vel Resident Sleeper.

Btw, you folks keep talking about "depth" of this show, yet all I can see right now is:

*random talking
*cheap slavery dilemma;
*cheap brute force fights (looks more like shounen);
*edgy, annoying MC.

Quite far from "deep", I'd say.
Still not a bad show though. Only overhyped/overrated.

If you thought the first 3 episodes and think the where boring and think the slavery might as well drop it they are closer to the tone of the series after the rest of the prologue especially the Farmland arc . The series will remain having the over the top battles( when it has battles it has least in general after the proglue) because it's based on the Norse Sagas( hence the title) those where full of characters doing unrealistic feats. Thorfinn being a dumb edgy boy in the prologue has a purpose.He's not ment to be a likeable character in it, he's a dumb teen making huge mistakes and failed to understand what his father tried to teach him( as ends up getting pointed out by serval characters) but said mistakes and his desire atone are the motivations that drive him after he grows post proglue and him being said dumb edgy kid at this point makes sense since the age of six he has know nothing but war and violence, grew up around people he hates and manipulated by them into doing things he hates for 10 years now. As for rather or not the series is deep,the themes and messages of it are not new or revolutionary ,that war and violence is bad and ruins the lives of the people that commit it and the innocents that get caught in the crossfire and about trying to resist and escape said cycle of violence in a world that is glorifying it but it executes it very well.

Lawren222Sep 4, 2019 5:35 AM

Sep 4, 2019 5:34 AM

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Lawren222 said:
Thorfinn being a dumb edgy boy in the prologue has a purpose.He's not ment to be a likeable character in it, he's a dumb teen making huge mistakes and failed to understand what his father tried to teach him( as ends up getting pointed out by serval characters) but said mistakes and his desire atone are the motivations that drive him after he grows post proglue and him being said dumb edgy kid at this point makes sense since the age of six he has know nothing but war and violence, grew up around people he hates and manipulated by them into doing things he hates for 10 years now.

I know it has purpose. All I'm saying it's not fun to watch. It kinda reminds me of loud shounens (more annoying MCs).
That stuff in the background (mostly politics) is fine. I actually watch it only for that. I couldn't care less about the main cast (Thorfinn, Askeladd's group).

Sep 4, 2019 6:24 AM

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Kamiyan3991 said:

Not having to watch this edgy kid would be enough. Srsly, I thought that his character might be interesting, but he f* refuse to turn off his emo-mode.

You say that while you rated "Shounen Firefighter" an 8. There is no world where that anime is better than this one. Except maybe in the mind of a troll.

Kamiyan3991 said:

Oh, rly? I watched old Berserk like 2 years ago and it was very good. You're lookin' for excuses, but Saga is just MEH so far. And I really hate your usual "it gets better". Berserk was good right from the start.

It gets better but it's already good. Both are not mutually exclusive. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but it's obvious that this is either a preference issue, or you're a troll.

Kamiyan3991 said:

So deep. I feel like I'm drowning
Actually that "position" part was quite stupid, since she didn't even know him lol. What a mind-reader!

Literally deeper than anything said on Shounen Firefighter. And yet you gave that an 8 and Vinland Saga a 7.

Enough said really. Very, very hard to take you seriously right now. I've watched Enen no Shouboutai and I really wanted to like it but I dropped it after 4 episodes. I can't believe it was made by the same creator as Soul Eater. At least Soul Eater was entertaining thanks to Black Star. "Shounen Firefighter" has literally no redeeming qualities.

Also she wasn't a "mind reader", she guessed that he must have been a slave (a similar position as him) since he was alone on the boat in the cold.

Kamiyan3991 said:

Yeah, I definitely couldn't pick up on random talks you hear everywhere.
You got me good, dear sir.

"You hear everywhere"

Like in Shounen Firefighter? Lmao you're funny, I give you that. And you're more entertaining than that anime has been and probably ever will be.

Over 40k people have rated it below an 8, and you, 7 episodes in, rated it an 8 but gave Vinland Saga a 7.....

You're the one that's just downright wrong.

Kamiyan3991 said:

Everything about this was mehdiocre so far. Especially eps 1-3 vel Resident Sleeper.

Btw, you folks keep talking about "depth" of this show, yet all I can see right now is:

*random talking
*cheap slavery dilemma;
*cheap brute force fights (looks more like shounen);
*edgy, annoying MC.

Quite far from "deep", I'd say.
Still not a bad show though. Only overhyped/overrated.

You don't know what deep means. You gave Enen no Shouboutai a 8. There is literally no one here in this thread that would ever rate that anime over this one, except for a troll like you.

And if you're not a troll then you're a jackass. Or uneducated. Or both.

Sep 4, 2019 6:34 AM

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Kamiyan3991 said:

Lawren222 said:
Thorfinn being a dumb edgy boy in the prologue has a purpose.He's not ment to be a likeable character in it, he's a dumb teen making huge mistakes and failed to understand what his father tried to teach him( as ends up getting pointed out by serval characters) but said mistakes and his desire atone are the motivations that drive him after he grows post proglue and him being said dumb edgy kid at this point makes sense since the age of six he has know nothing but war and violence, grew up around people he hates and manipulated by them into doing things he hates for 10 years now.

I know it has purpose. All I'm saying it's not fun to watch. It kinda reminds me of loud shounens (more annoying MCs).
That stuff in the background (mostly politics) is fine. I actually watch it only for that. I couldn't care less about the main cast (Thorfinn, Askeladd's group).

Its not ment to be fun to watch but Thorfinn will moved more to the background of the prologue after Caunte is more properly introduced, of Askeladd's group the only really important character there is Askeladd himself and you will likely find him more interesting once more of his character is explored( there is a lot more to him then meets the eye which has subtly being hinted at but will be shown off much more later). Hes the most important character of the prologue overall followed by Caunte,then Thorkell and then Thorfinn. Thorfinn is the MC of the series as a whole but the narrative dosent truly become driven by him till Farmland ( the second arc) which is when he develops into a likeable character. It's funny though in the prologue people complain about Thorfinn being an edgy brat but post proglue people whine about how they miss edgy " badass " Thorfinn he can never get a break.

Lawren222Sep 4, 2019 7:10 AM

Sep 4, 2019 11:36 AM

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Lawren222 said:

Its not ment to be fun to watch...

This statement seemed weird to me at first, but then I remember watching Dororo. During some stretches, I started dreading watching each subsequent episode; it was painful to see the kind of suffering going on episode after episode. But I consider it a worthwhile watch because it left an impact.

Not saying I think the level of suffering/misery/sadness in Vinland is the same as Dodoro's, just that the above statement isn't so ridiculous.

Sep 4, 2019 11:53 AM

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najumobi said:

Lawren222 said:

Its not ment to be fun to watch...

This statement seemed weird to me at first, but then I remember watching Dororo. During some stretches, I started dreading watching each subsequent episode; it was painful to see the kind of suffering going on episode after episode. But I consider it a worthwhile watch because it left an impact.

Not saying I think the level of suffering/misery/sadness in Vinland is the same as Dodoro's, just that the above statement isn't so ridiculous.

I ment just Thorfinn's bratty and edgy behavior not the series as a whole( thought there are definitely parts of it I wouldn't call "fun" thought but it's not on the level of Dororo or the end of the Golden Age arc in Berserk or most of Now and Then,Here and There for examples). The readers/ viewers are definitely not suppose to see Thorfinn as a likeable character in the prologue but are ment to sympathize with and understand his situation as well as hope he sees reason eventually and better himself. That was what I ment not that the series as a whole was not fun to watch or suppose to be.

Lawren222Sep 4, 2019 12:00 PM

Sep 4, 2019 12:52 PM

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Animation and music were amazing.

5/5

Sep 4, 2019 2:40 PM

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Marrone said:

Comander-07 said:

Marrone said:

Comander-07 said:

Marrone said:

Comander-07 said:

Marrone said:

Comander-07 said:

Zehennagel said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

you can consider this as the "golden age" of berserk. but you haven't read it it seems.. so I'd say it's a "prologue" to where the story will go in the future. but as berserk, it's a 10 volumes long prologue. I don't know what's bothering you so far but from this point on I think I remember thorfinn doesn't have the biggest importance in the show until the "second part" of the manga. (chapter 60 so lets say season 2 or 3 probably). it takes a drastic change at this point but the "soul" of the manga is obviously not lost and the themes are the same.(and new ones, the story evolves, of course)

I mean it's hard to say. but you should probably follow your guts, if you don't like it so far and don't think you will, just drop it. that's what I think. but if you want to follow, I can guarentee it keeps the same spirit throughout (though again, the manga changes drastically at chapter ~60)

] I still have hope for the characters but after Vikings and the Last Kingdom this one just doesnt really stick out. The MC barely even speaks and when he does its always the same 4 words. The fights are okay-good, the visuals overall are surprisingly boring as well. I liked the beginning much more and I already had the feeling that after Thors inevitable death the series would tank for as long as the MC is in his edgy teenager phase. But maybe it gets better again. Its a seasonal airing anime, those dont really have a high standard to get watched.

najumobi said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

This episode covered Chapters 18 & 19, both post-switch.

Oh so it already happened?

Lol Vikings goes downhill after season 3 and doesn't represent their culture accurately. Everyone in that tv series wears leather clothes or jackets when leather was not commonly used in that period. Also other inaccuracies historically. Vinland Saga is only unrealistic in the action scenes but does everything else better. Thorfinn has the best character development in manga second to Musashi from Vagabond I'm fully caught up with the manga.

Lol its not a documentary and indeed season 3 is where it peaked. I wouldnt recommend it after the next generation takes over.

Cool I guess it gets better later then, like I expected. When does he learn to speak if we consider the current pace?

yvanedisco said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

This ain't shounen in the first place.

Sorry to disappint you, but it legitely was shounen for some time.

Lawren222 said:

Thorfinn actually out grows his edgy phase but it wont happen in this prologue arc. There is a reason why he has to go through this phase thought its nessacry for his overall character arc. The rest of this arc is som going to focus more on Askeladd and Canute's characters and explore them more in depth with edgy Thorfinn taking a backseat it might get more interesting for you then.

Considering this is a double cour are we likely to see a more mature version of Thorfinn?

Zehennagel said:

Comander-07 said:

Zehennagel said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

you can consider this as the "golden age" of berserk. but you haven't read it it seems.. so I'd say it's a "prologue" to where the story will go in the future. but as berserk, it's a 10 volumes long prologue. I don't know what's bothering you so far but from this point on I think I remember thorfinn doesn't have the biggest importance in the show until the "second part" of the manga. (chapter 60 so lets say season 2 or 3 probably). it takes a drastic change at this point but the "soul" of the manga is obviously not lost and the themes are the same.(and new ones, the story evolves, of course)

I mean it's hard to say. but you should probably follow your guts, if you don't like it so far and don't think you will, just drop it. that's what I think. but if you want to follow, I can guarentee it keeps the same spirit throughout (though again, the manga changes drastically at chapter ~60)

] I still have hope for the characters but after Vikings and the Last Kingdom this one just doesnt really stick out. The MC barely even speaks and when he does its always the same 4 words. The fights are okay-good, the visuals overall are surprisingly boring as well. I liked the beginning much more and I already had the feeling that after Thors inevitable death the series would tank for as long as the MC is in his edgy teenager phase. But maybe it gets better again. Its a seasonal airing anime, those dont really have a high standard to get watched.

najumobi said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

This episode covered Chapters 18 & 19, both post-switch.

Oh so it already happened?

the "switch" hasn't happened already, I can spoil it for you but I won't. you'll know when it does. it's about chapter 55. but this guy meant something else by "switch".

anyway, the protagonist does stay the same until what will probably be season 2/ middle of season 2 (taking for granted it also lasts 25 episodes). then he changes, and in a very interesting fashion. (btw I said 10 volumes but it's at about volume 5 that it happens).

also, this is not just some "sesonal anime", please. although I agree that the standards are lower while it is airing, this aint some little seasonal.

Sadly it feels like a seasonal so far. Nothing is really outstanding. Except for the setting, which doesnt really benefit from being an anime so far.

Comander-07 said:

Marrone said:

Comander-07 said:

Zehennagel said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

you can consider this as the "golden age" of berserk. but you haven't read it it seems.. so I'd say it's a "prologue" to where the story will go in the future. but as berserk, it's a 10 volumes long prologue. I don't know what's bothering you so far but from this point on I think I remember thorfinn doesn't have the biggest importance in the show until the "second part" of the manga. (chapter 60 so lets say season 2 or 3 probably). it takes a drastic change at this point but the "soul" of the manga is obviously not lost and the themes are the same.(and new ones, the story evolves, of course)

I mean it's hard to say. but you should probably follow your guts, if you don't like it so far and don't think you will, just drop it. that's what I think. but if you want to follow, I can guarentee it keeps the same spirit throughout (though again, the manga changes drastically at chapter ~60)

] I still have hope for the characters but after Vikings and the Last Kingdom this one just doesnt really stick out. The MC barely even speaks and when he does its always the same 4 words. The fights are okay-good, the visuals overall are surprisingly boring as well. I liked the beginning much more and I already had the feeling that after Thors inevitable death the series would tank for as long as the MC is in his edgy teenager phase. But maybe it gets better again. Its a seasonal airing anime, those dont really have a high standard to get watched.

najumobi said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

This episode covered Chapters 18 & 19, both post-switch.

Oh so it already happened?

Lol Vikings goes downhill after season 3 and doesn't represent their culture accurately. Everyone in that tv series wears leather clothes or jackets when leather was not commonly used in that period. Also other inaccuracies historically. Vinland Saga is only unrealistic in the action scenes but does everything else better. Thorfinn has the best character development in manga second to Musashi from Vagabond I'm fully caught up with the manga.

Lol its not a documentary and indeed season 3 is where it peaked. I wouldnt recommend it after the next generation takes over.

Cool I guess it gets better later then, like I expected. When does he learn to speak if we consider the current pace?

yvanedisco said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

This ain't shounen in the first place.

Sorry to disappint you, but it legitely was shounen for some time.

Lawren222 said:

Thorfinn actually out grows his edgy phase but it wont happen in this prologue arc. There is a reason why he has to go through this phase thought its nessacry for his overall character arc. The rest of this arc is som going to focus more on Askeladd and Canute's characters and explore them more in depth with edgy Thorfinn taking a backseat it might get more interesting for you then.

Considering this is a double cour are we likely to see a more mature version of Thorfinn?

Zehennagel said:

Comander-07 said:

Zehennagel said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

you can consider this as the "golden age" of berserk. but you haven't read it it seems.. so I'd say it's a "prologue" to where the story will go in the future. but as berserk, it's a 10 volumes long prologue. I don't know what's bothering you so far but from this point on I think I remember thorfinn doesn't have the biggest importance in the show until the "second part" of the manga. (chapter 60 so lets say season 2 or 3 probably). it takes a drastic change at this point but the "soul" of the manga is obviously not lost and the themes are the same.(and new ones, the story evolves, of course)

I mean it's hard to say. but you should probably follow your guts, if you don't like it so far and don't think you will, just drop it. that's what I think. but if you want to follow, I can guarentee it keeps the same spirit throughout (though again, the manga changes drastically at chapter ~60)

] I still have hope for the characters but after Vikings and the Last Kingdom this one just doesnt really stick out. The MC barely even speaks and when he does its always the same 4 words. The fights are okay-good, the visuals overall are surprisingly boring as well. I liked the beginning much more and I already had the feeling that after Thors inevitable death the series would tank for as long as the MC is in his edgy teenager phase. But maybe it gets better again. Its a seasonal airing anime, those dont really have a high standard to get watched.

najumobi said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

This episode covered Chapters 18 & 19, both post-switch.

Oh so it already happened?

the "switch" hasn't happened already, I can spoil it for you but I won't. you'll know when it does. it's about chapter 55. but this guy meant something else by "switch".

anyway, the protagonist does stay the same until what will probably be season 2/ middle of season 2 (taking for granted it also lasts 25 episodes). then he changes, and in a very interesting fashion. (btw I said 10 volumes but it's at about volume 5 that it happens).

also, this is not just some "sesonal anime", please. although I agree that the standards are lower while it is airing, this aint some little seasonal.

Sadly it feels like a seasonal so far. Nothing is really outstanding. Except for the setting, which doesnt really benefit from being an anime so far.

You will get the bigger picture starting next episode. Thorfinn does not really influence the story in the prologue arc more like he tags along with the rest. Askeladd, thorkell, canute etc are the main drivers of the story and bigger protagonists.

So far 9 episodes in nearly 2 episodes were anime original so the manga is quicker at getting the story and other characters rolling. To say there is nothing outstanding is a stretch for me the dialogue (except thorfinn) is better than your average anime dialogue and production value is pretty good. Next episode onwards is when all this focus on askeladd thorfinn and thorkell will pay off. Unless they add some more anime original content and delay the main political intrigue.

Its really a stretch to say the dialogue is outstanding. They barely even talk. This aint Monogatari.

Nono the amount of dialogue isn't a marker of quality. I'm referring to the way they talk - anime dialogue tends to be cringey on many occasions with cheesy lines and characters feeling like robots rather than having a sense of two characters having a conversation when talking to each other. Monogatari doesn't set the standard for dialogue just because they talk a lot. It's good though.

Yes yes it certainly is. And the few things they do say arent outstanding either. Google the word.

But lmao your "opinion" is officially worthless anyway since you think Monogotari dialogue is only good because they talk a lot. WTF how even.

@Chainxbastard monogatari isnt the standard lmao. Its the standard for "outstanding". And this here is simply not.

Necessary r/im14andthisisdeep The example you just gave is cringe and bad dialogue.

Where did I say I only think monogatari dialogue is good because they talk a lot? You said there is barely any dialogue in vinland saga and pointed to monogatari which has a lot of dialogue as a measure of quality. So I told you that the amount of waffle someone talks doesnt matter but how they speak (how the dialogue is written).

'Everyone is a slave to something' is not cringe or bad dialogue but you have stuff like code geass and DBZ in your favourites so cant really take you seriously with the hypocrisy. Nice talking to you.

I never said my favourites are about outstanding dialogue lol. And where did I say monogatari has outstanding dialogue because they talk a lot? I said Vinland saga doesnt has much dialogue and the few bits it has arent outstanding either.

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It is for Madoka alone." - Homura
or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica.

Sep 4, 2019 10:07 PM

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The Hatred of battle and war is really seen in Thorfinn's facial expression, But damn Thorkell is insane, the way he fights and how he doesn't really feel pain at all. I feel bad for Thorfinn fighting his UNCLE

Sep 5, 2019 6:16 AM

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Damn, that Thorkell was over the top, OP. The guy didn't even flinch when he lost two fingers.

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Sep 5, 2019 7:06 AM

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nanashi796 said:

Comander-07 said:

Marrone said:

Comander-07 said:

Marrone said:

Comander-07 said:

Marrone said:

Comander-07 said:

Zehennagel said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

you can consider this as the "golden age" of berserk. but you haven't read it it seems.. so I'd say it's a "prologue" to where the story will go in the future. but as berserk, it's a 10 volumes long prologue. I don't know what's bothering you so far but from this point on I think I remember thorfinn doesn't have the biggest importance in the show until the "second part" of the manga. (chapter 60 so lets say season 2 or 3 probably). it takes a drastic change at this point but the "soul" of the manga is obviously not lost and the themes are the same.(and new ones, the story evolves, of course)

I mean it's hard to say. but you should probably follow your guts, if you don't like it so far and don't think you will, just drop it. that's what I think. but if you want to follow, I can guarentee it keeps the same spirit throughout (though again, the manga changes drastically at chapter ~60)

] I still have hope for the characters but after Vikings and the Last Kingdom this one just doesnt really stick out. The MC barely even speaks and when he does its always the same 4 words. The fights are okay-good, the visuals overall are surprisingly boring as well. I liked the beginning much more and I already had the feeling that after Thors inevitable death the series would tank for as long as the MC is in his edgy teenager phase. But maybe it gets better again. Its a seasonal airing anime, those dont really have a high standard to get watched.

najumobi said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

This episode covered Chapters 18 & 19, both post-switch.

Oh so it already happened?

Lol Vikings goes downhill after season 3 and doesn't represent their culture accurately. Everyone in that tv series wears leather clothes or jackets when leather was not commonly used in that period. Also other inaccuracies historically. Vinland Saga is only unrealistic in the action scenes but does everything else better. Thorfinn has the best character development in manga second to Musashi from Vagabond I'm fully caught up with the manga.

Lol its not a documentary and indeed season 3 is where it peaked. I wouldnt recommend it after the next generation takes over.

Cool I guess it gets better later then, like I expected. When does he learn to speak if we consider the current pace?

yvanedisco said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

This ain't shounen in the first place.

Sorry to disappint you, but it legitely was shounen for some time.

Lawren222 said:

Thorfinn actually out grows his edgy phase but it wont happen in this prologue arc. There is a reason why he has to go through this phase thought its nessacry for his overall character arc. The rest of this arc is som going to focus more on Askeladd and Canute's characters and explore them more in depth with edgy Thorfinn taking a backseat it might get more interesting for you then.

Considering this is a double cour are we likely to see a more mature version of Thorfinn?

Zehennagel said:

Comander-07 said:

Zehennagel said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

you can consider this as the "golden age" of berserk. but you haven't read it it seems.. so I'd say it's a "prologue" to where the story will go in the future. but as berserk, it's a 10 volumes long prologue. I don't know what's bothering you so far but from this point on I think I remember thorfinn doesn't have the biggest importance in the show until the "second part" of the manga. (chapter 60 so lets say season 2 or 3 probably). it takes a drastic change at this point but the "soul" of the manga is obviously not lost and the themes are the same.(and new ones, the story evolves, of course)

I mean it's hard to say. but you should probably follow your guts, if you don't like it so far and don't think you will, just drop it. that's what I think. but if you want to follow, I can guarentee it keeps the same spirit throughout (though again, the manga changes drastically at chapter ~60)

] I still have hope for the characters but after Vikings and the Last Kingdom this one just doesnt really stick out. The MC barely even speaks and when he does its always the same 4 words. The fights are okay-good, the visuals overall are surprisingly boring as well. I liked the beginning much more and I already had the feeling that after Thors inevitable death the series would tank for as long as the MC is in his edgy teenager phase. But maybe it gets better again. Its a seasonal airing anime, those dont really have a high standard to get watched.

najumobi said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

This episode covered Chapters 18 & 19, both post-switch.

Oh so it already happened?

the "switch" hasn't happened already, I can spoil it for you but I won't. you'll know when it does. it's about chapter 55. but this guy meant something else by "switch".

anyway, the protagonist does stay the same until what will probably be season 2/ middle of season 2 (taking for granted it also lasts 25 episodes). then he changes, and in a very interesting fashion. (btw I said 10 volumes but it's at about volume 5 that it happens).

also, this is not just some "sesonal anime", please. although I agree that the standards are lower while it is airing, this aint some little seasonal.

Sadly it feels like a seasonal so far. Nothing is really outstanding. Except for the setting, which doesnt really benefit from being an anime so far.

Comander-07 said:

Marrone said:

Comander-07 said:

Zehennagel said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

you can consider this as the "golden age" of berserk. but you haven't read it it seems.. so I'd say it's a "prologue" to where the story will go in the future. but as berserk, it's a 10 volumes long prologue. I don't know what's bothering you so far but from this point on I think I remember thorfinn doesn't have the biggest importance in the show until the "second part" of the manga. (chapter 60 so lets say season 2 or 3 probably). it takes a drastic change at this point but the "soul" of the manga is obviously not lost and the themes are the same.(and new ones, the story evolves, of course)

I mean it's hard to say. but you should probably follow your guts, if you don't like it so far and don't think you will, just drop it. that's what I think. but if you want to follow, I can guarentee it keeps the same spirit throughout (though again, the manga changes drastically at chapter ~60)

] I still have hope for the characters but after Vikings and the Last Kingdom this one just doesnt really stick out. The MC barely even speaks and when he does its always the same 4 words. The fights are okay-good, the visuals overall are surprisingly boring as well. I liked the beginning much more and I already had the feeling that after Thors inevitable death the series would tank for as long as the MC is in his edgy teenager phase. But maybe it gets better again. Its a seasonal airing anime, those dont really have a high standard to get watched.

najumobi said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

This episode covered Chapters 18 & 19, both post-switch.

Oh so it already happened?

Lol Vikings goes downhill after season 3 and doesn't represent their culture accurately. Everyone in that tv series wears leather clothes or jackets when leather was not commonly used in that period. Also other inaccuracies historically. Vinland Saga is only unrealistic in the action scenes but does everything else better. Thorfinn has the best character development in manga second to Musashi from Vagabond I'm fully caught up with the manga.

Lol its not a documentary and indeed season 3 is where it peaked. I wouldnt recommend it after the next generation takes over.

Cool I guess it gets better later then, like I expected. When does he learn to speak if we consider the current pace?

yvanedisco said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

This ain't shounen in the first place.

Sorry to disappint you, but it legitely was shounen for some time.

Lawren222 said:

Thorfinn actually out grows his edgy phase but it wont happen in this prologue arc. There is a reason why he has to go through this phase thought its nessacry for his overall character arc. The rest of this arc is som going to focus more on Askeladd and Canute's characters and explore them more in depth with edgy Thorfinn taking a backseat it might get more interesting for you then.

Considering this is a double cour are we likely to see a more mature version of Thorfinn?

Zehennagel said:

Comander-07 said:

Zehennagel said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

you can consider this as the "golden age" of berserk. but you haven't read it it seems.. so I'd say it's a "prologue" to where the story will go in the future. but as berserk, it's a 10 volumes long prologue. I don't know what's bothering you so far but from this point on I think I remember thorfinn doesn't have the biggest importance in the show until the "second part" of the manga. (chapter 60 so lets say season 2 or 3 probably). it takes a drastic change at this point but the "soul" of the manga is obviously not lost and the themes are the same.(and new ones, the story evolves, of course)

I mean it's hard to say. but you should probably follow your guts, if you don't like it so far and don't think you will, just drop it. that's what I think. but if you want to follow, I can guarentee it keeps the same spirit throughout (though again, the manga changes drastically at chapter ~60)

] I still have hope for the characters but after Vikings and the Last Kingdom this one just doesnt really stick out. The MC barely even speaks and when he does its always the same 4 words. The fights are okay-good, the visuals overall are surprisingly boring as well. I liked the beginning much more and I already had the feeling that after Thors inevitable death the series would tank for as long as the MC is in his edgy teenager phase. But maybe it gets better again. Its a seasonal airing anime, those dont really have a high standard to get watched.

najumobi said:

Comander-07 said:
Has someone read the manga and can tell me when this is going to shift from shounen to seinen? Not that I dislike the show, but Im really not feeling it.

This episode covered Chapters 18 & 19, both post-switch.

Oh so it already happened?

the "switch" hasn't happened already, I can spoil it for you but I won't. you'll know when it does. it's about chapter 55. but this guy meant something else by "switch".

anyway, the protagonist does stay the same until what will probably be season 2/ middle of season 2 (taking for granted it also lasts 25 episodes). then he changes, and in a very interesting fashion. (btw I said 10 volumes but it's at about volume 5 that it happens).

also, this is not just some "sesonal anime", please. although I agree that the standards are lower while it is airing, this aint some little seasonal.

Sadly it feels like a seasonal so far. Nothing is really outstanding. Except for the setting, which doesnt really benefit from being an anime so far.

You will get the bigger picture starting next episode. Thorfinn does not really influence the story in the prologue arc more like he tags along with the rest. Askeladd, thorkell, canute etc are the main drivers of the story and bigger protagonists.

So far 9 episodes in nearly 2 episodes were anime original so the manga is quicker at getting the story and other characters rolling. To say there is nothing outstanding is a stretch for me the dialogue (except thorfinn) is better than your average anime dialogue and production value is pretty good. Next episode onwards is when all this focus on askeladd thorfinn and thorkell will pay off. Unless they add some more anime original content and delay the main political intrigue.

Its really a stretch to say the dialogue is outstanding. They barely even talk. This aint Monogatari.

Nono the amount of dialogue isn't a marker of quality. I'm referring to the way they talk - anime dialogue tends to be cringey on many occasions with cheesy lines and characters feeling like robots rather than having a sense of two characters having a conversation when talking to each other. Monogatari doesn't set the standard for dialogue just because they talk a lot. It's good though.

Yes yes it certainly is. And the few things they do say arent outstanding either. Google the word.

But lmao your "opinion" is officially worthless anyway since you think Monogotari dialogue is only good because they talk a lot. WTF how even.

@Chainxbastard monogatari isnt the standard lmao. Its the standard for "outstanding". And this here is simply not.

Necessary r/im14andthisisdeep The example you just gave is cringe and bad dialogue.

lol monogatari dialogue oustanding,just the line everyone is a slave to something is better than all the dialogues in monogatari combined and it's not even the best dialogue in vinland saga.

If a line u'd copypaste on your instagram profile with some cringy hashtags is what makes dialogues good to u, sure.

OT: This is getting more shonen-esque every bloody ep, we just got the cartoonish fat noble a couple of eps ago, and now the 0 dimensions fight maniac.

Also Thorfinn has no problem in faking his death to caught the enemy off guard? What happened to his already questionable sense of honor? I really don't see that much difference between killing someone with his guard lowered and killing someone in his sleep.

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