| "Overrated" and "underrated". Two great ways to start a thread, nice. |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas "Woof" -Tobiichi Origami "Are you trying to turn the dormitory into a strip club!?! -Atena Saotome |
| It is because newer anime fans are first introduced to only newer animes and before truly interesting themselves about anime, they are probably turned-off by older animes, using excuses as "art style looks liike trash", "animation is bad" or whatever. You gotta deal with it, let them grow and start appreciating all animes, though it's quite annoying when your friend has been hooked up on the popular shit for the last 2 years and doesn't want to watch into other stuff, fuck you Laurent. |
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| Maybe because the art quality and animation are much better than before? Plus a lot of people have more access to new series. |
| If you want to introduce and promote some more classic older series you have to target the type of person who isn't a typical watcher of seasonals, but that kind of viewer is probably in the minority so even the worst newest stuff has the exposure edge against a masterpiece-tier older series. Definitely in the eye of the beholder. I'd take older hand-painted cel animation over anything today 1,000x over. Even the mid-2000s in the transitional stage between analog and digital was warmer with more personal touch, folksy charm, and traditional aesthetic appeal than today. Most of what's coming out now looks all too cookie cutter, too clean as to be sterile, and too similar as to be more interchangeable. I see modern animation style and it's already losing a point or so in my mind. |
WatchTillTandavaAug 24, 2019 9:53 PM
xiashenghan said: Maybe because the art quality and animation are much better than before? Plus a lot of people have more access to new series. Predicted hahahaha! Anyways I think your first argument is totally irrelevant as art style is totally subjective, if you start watching anime with the newer style you'll probably want to keep watching with the same style. I think people that are used to watching old anime can say the opposite, in the end you just gotta break free from that mentality. Also the animation did get better, but that's because of the rise in popularity of animes which made the industry gain more money, but there are tons of older animes with very good animation (looking at Ghibli, Giant Robo, Tokyo Movie Theather, and many others I still probably don't know). It is not true that every current anime have S tier animation quality, only some studio output consistent high quality. It is true though that newer animes are easier to access, would it be by streaming platforms (Netflix, Crunchyroll, etc.) or by physical copies. |
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xiashenghan said: Maybe because the art quality and animation are much better than before? Plus a lot of people have more access to new series. Except any dumb 80s OVA destroys "modern animation". NGE obliterates like 90% of the mecha anime of the 2000s when it comes to animation. Nobody made a full 24FPS animated show since Redline, and given how long it took to make it, that's a good two decades without anyone even TRYING. Animation is certainly not "much better" than before. Lots of pretty colors and shopped photorealistic backgrounds and color filters tho. Wich is to animation what putting lens flares on pics with Photoshop is to photography. But then again I see people say "animation" when they mean "backgrounds" or "art style" or "colors" daily here. So maybe you're not actually talking about animation and objective quality but something else. |
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BiDiGiN said: xiashenghan said: Maybe because the art quality and animation are much better than before? Plus a lot of people have more access to new series. Predicted hahahaha! Anyways I think your first argument is totally irrelevant as art style is totally subjective, if you start watching anime with the newer style you'll probably want to keep watching with the same style. I think people that are used to watching old anime can say the opposite, in the end you just gotta break free from that mentality. Also the animation did get better, but that's because of the rise in popularity of animes which made the industry gain more money, but there are tons of older animes with very good animation (looking at Ghibli, Giant Robo, Tokyo Movie Theather, and many others I still probably don't know). It is not true that every current anime have S tier animation quality, only some studio output consistent high quality. It is true though that newer animes are easier to access, would it be by streaming platforms (Netflix, Crunchyroll, etc.) or by physical copies. I'm just predicting hence the MAYBE. I'm not entirely sure since I rarely watch anime these days. Stories aren't as good as before. |
| Yep I just saw some bits of Violet evergarden online (probably the best animated bits)... And it's decent as far as actual animation goes. Doesn't look any better than something like this: https://myanimelist.net/anime/28735/Shouwa_Genroku_Rakugo_Shinjuu?q=rakugo It does however look absolutely saturated with all the shiny digital effects you can dream of. Reflections, lens flares, ultra-saturated backgrounds, lots of color filters everywhere, some 3d for good measure... That's the kind of things that made the community scream "KIMI NO NA WA BEST ANIMATION EVER" when in fact Kimi no na wa's animation is mediocre/average as far as movies go. The girl who leapt through time does exactly the same thing animation-wise, but since it isn't filled to the brim with digital eye candy, modern watchers didn't give a fuck. |
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| First thing would be that newer anime are popular and talked about, so new people who join in would be inclined to jump on the bandwagon. Second thing is this retarded belief that old anime means it would have inherently bad animation. I can give examples of 90s anime which look better than the majority of modern anime |
SunBro26 said: First thing would be that newer anime are popular and talked about, so new people who join in would be inclined to jump on the bandwagon. Second thing is this retarded belief that old anime means it would have inherently bad animation. I can give examples of 90s anime which look better than the majority of modern anime That shock when I saw RahXephon for the first (and last) time. 10 years after NGE... and the robots are giant immobile statues to avoid animating them :'D |
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| My own experience as someone relatively new to anime (I think I've only been seriously interested in it for maybe 5 years at the most) is that it's mostly an even mix when it comes to what animes I'm exposed to. Like, it started with me liking Avatar: The Last Airbender, and then someone recommending The Slayers based on that, and from there I kind of just got into the art style, and learned "backwards". By that, I mean I would see a cool picture, or a cute character, and then look up what anime they were from. Plus, the "Top X anime" lists would show me a lot of popular anime (FMA is the top anime for this site, I guess? I'm still not sure. But that's pretty old) from various years. So, when it comes down to it, I don't actually know which animes are "old" or "new" most of the time, they're all kind of jumbled up, with that "I'd kill a demon lord for my daughter" anime coming up almost as often as Serial Experiments Lain and Macross or Gundam stuff. But, it's only natural that the new animes would get talked about more often, and voted to the top more, especially for people like me that aren't planning on trying to fill in every anime I've ever seen. I added a few animes that I could think of, but from now on I'll probably only add things when I watch them. In my case, I'm planning on watching a few older animes so my list will become more balanced, but supposing I had already watched all the anime until now, then made my account, then it would look like I only liked new anime because it would only have anime from 2019+. Plus, people talk about older animes less, because they've already been talked about. There's not many people who want to talk about Slayers or Patlabor or Lensman, because they already did that a long time ago. And besides, when it comes to raw popularity, I feel like older anime tends to be way more popular and common. Anime shows that were popular a couple years ago seem to have faded away, but I'm always seeing references, avatars, and signatures for anime that started like 1995-2005ish. |
Deathko said: I mean, I wont say that Eva is fantastic animation all around. It had plenty of forced stills and all that, but hot damn when the action came in they just went guns ablazin'! If I were to quote an example of an old anime with fantastic all-around animation, it'd definitely be Diebuster or Stand Alone ComplexSunBro26 said: First thing would be that newer anime are popular and talked about, so new people who join in would be inclined to jump on the bandwagon. Second thing is this retarded belief that old anime means it would have inherently bad animation. I can give examples of 90s anime which look better than the majority of modern anime That shock when I saw RahXephon for the first (and last) time. 10 years after NGE... and the robots are giant immobile statues to avoid animating them :'D |
| this thread is filled with the people I don't quite understand. New anime is more "popular" because it is new. It is current. You see it being talked about right now because it is coming out right now. And if you're using MAL as your source of "anime popularity" then of course a ton of the older stuff will seem to be less popular, especially since older stuff are more popular in Japan anyway. What's wrong with the new shows? You seem to believe them as overrated yet think your favorite (old) anime is underrated. From the amount of information you have given me, all I can deduce is that you are just a hopeless person striving to feel unique in this media that's growing more and more mainstream, and I think people who act the way you do are overrated unlike the underrated seasonal anime watchers. Open your 3rd eye and realize that ALL NEW ANIME IS GOOD! Even that isekai that's practically the same thing as the isekai from last season! OLD ANIME IS OLD BECAUSE IT'S OLD! Get with the times, GRANDPA! 10 years from now anime will be objectively rated by how well animated the show is regardless of how good the plot is. Prepare yourself |
| OP @AnimeDownUnder if you pay attention it's actually not "new anime" in general, but more "recent seasons of anime". The more time has passed since a cohort of releases became available to audiences, the more the fandom forgets about it, down to some small subset of very famous things. On the other hand, the more current something is, the more it is the "talk of the town" and just a convenient social watering hole that generates buzz and hype and conversation. So, for anyone caught up with the fandom's main social scenes, the more their attention is dominated by recent series. There are smaller communities for each series, even the lesser-known ones. But they just don't get as much attention. Though they are there if you want to find them, and some of them are quite nice, in part because they're a lot quieter and usually won't push you about watching stuff. Note that this doesn't involve "quality" at all. Newer anime isn't magically worse or better than older anime. In most cases, it's just that the styles have changed, and different people have different opinions about whether those changes were to their liking. |
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SunBro26 said: Deathko said: I mean, I wont say that Eva is fantastic animation all around. It had plenty of forced stills and all that, but hot damn when the action came in they just went guns ablazin'! If I were to quote an example of an old anime with fantastic all-around animation, it'd definitely be Diebuster or Stand Alone ComplexThat shock when I saw RahXephon for the first (and last) time. 10 years after NGE... and the robots are giant immobile statues to avoid animating them :'D I really don't consider Diebuster and SAC "old", and tbh SAC kinda made my eyes bleed with all that staggered 3d, violet everywhere, and quite generic designs/art style. I'd say how it looked was one of the biggest deceptions for me. I have no problems with stills when they serve a purpose, and if there's something you gotta hand to Anno, it's that the guy knows how to direct a story. Not just run an anime studio and meet the deadline, but actually do... what a director's supposed to do in a live action movie: make the whole thing good and artsy. Never had a problem with the three very long stills in the show. |
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Loonitick said: Open your 3rd eye and realize that ALL NEW ANIME IS GOOD! Even that isekai that's practically the same thing as the isekai from last season! OLD ANIME IS OLD BECAUSE IT'S OLD! Get with the times, GRANDPA! 10 years from now anime will be objectively rated by how well animated the show is regardless of how good the plot is. Prepare yourself Not sure if that's supposed to be sarcasm or not. If shows were rated based on the actual quality of the animation (like, animation, not digital effects or pretty colors), MAL's top 10 would look way different. |
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Deathko said: If it's not, I'm shooting myself *readies revolver*Loonitick said: Open your 3rd eye and realize that ALL NEW ANIME IS GOOD! Even that isekai that's practically the same thing as the isekai from last season! OLD ANIME IS OLD BECAUSE IT'S OLD! Get with the times, GRANDPA! 10 years from now anime will be objectively rated by how well animated the show is regardless of how good the plot is. Prepare yourself Not sure if that's supposed to be sarcasm or not. If shows were rated based on the quality of the animation, MAL's top 10 would look way different. |
| people are natural novelty seekers and we have recency bias too |
| There isn't any black science on this, they are just easier to find so more people watch them |
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ugmon said: people are natural novelty seekers and we have recency bias too Remind me of my last discussion with a "modern= objectively better" user. Once people explained to him what really is animation and after being asked what objective progress the two last decades brought, he answered (pretty much word for word) "New anime are objectively better, I don't need to explain why, everybody can see it but you" That did sound as subjective as it gets to me but whatever :'D I also suspect most users here think old anime were released in 240p, ultra compressed and with poorly synced sound, like the shlock you find on illegal streaming sites. |
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| Is this another "old" vs "new" anime thread again? This will certainly generate constructive discussion. In all seriousness the current paradigm of anime-watching is keeping up with seasonal shows and dumping them as soon as a new season starts. That has nothing to do with "newer" anime being better than "older" anime or not. |
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raisin-kun said: Is this another "old" vs "new" anime thread again? That seems the case sadly, people can't let other people enjoy their stuff. |
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| Newer stuff always more popular, take songs/music for example. |
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? It's that hard to understand that newer stuff it's more easily available than older stuff? Pretty sure that it will take less than time to find the new version of Space Battleship Yamato than the original for example |
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HeruruMeruru said: Heimur said: ? It's that hard to understand that newer stuff it's more easily available than older stuff? Did you read the rest of my post? Older series are just as readily available as newer stuff, both legally and otherwise. There are exceptions, if it's Animeigo you're kinda fucked unless you want to order discs. Yes? What it's ameigo? I don't think that the concept that stuff released this year will be found on more places than something released on 1985 requires an essay to be explained |
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Heimur said: ? It's that hard to understand that newer stuff it's more easily available than older stuff? Pretty sure that it will take less than time to find the new version of Space Battleship Yamato than the original for example tbh finding anime is piss easy until you start searching for very obscure 70s titles. Finding old anime takes about the same time than finding recent ones most of the time: the time it takes to google it. |
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| Another one of those old anime vs new anime thread? And it's 2019. This topic is as old as elitist thread. |
Deathko said: Loonitick said: Open your 3rd eye and realize that ALL NEW ANIME IS GOOD! Even that isekai that's practically the same thing as the isekai from last season! OLD ANIME IS OLD BECAUSE IT'S OLD! Get with the times, GRANDPA! 10 years from now anime will be objectively rated by how well animated the show is regardless of how good the plot is. Prepare yourself Not sure if that's supposed to be sarcasm or not. If shows were rated based on the actual quality of the animation (like, animation, not digital effects or pretty colors), MAL's top 10 would look way different. sorry...……………. speak to me in 10 years and we'll see what the top 10 looks like then, I'm betting $3,647,257,999.95 (price this high because American dollars will inflate once the Democrats take control of office) on me being right |
HeruruMeruru said: Heimur said: Yes? What it's ameigo? I don't think that the concept that stuff released this year will be found on more places than something released on 1985 requires an essay to be explained As I said, most of the major legal anime platforms have almost all of the classics available, and piracy wise, you can straight up just watch many movies and OVAs in HD on YouTube. Same thing that with new anime, except that for every aite where you can watch Dororo 1969 there will be 10 sites that only have the 2019 version, nobody it's saying that they are impossible to find but the very concept that something newer it's easier to find that something older shouldn't be so hard to grasp. |
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| These are lists of most popular anime in MAL as in base on number of watching, completed it. They are not recent but not too old either. Death Note = 2006 - 2007 Shingeki no Kyojin = 2013 SAO = 2012 FMA Bortherhood = 2009 - 2010 OPM = 2015 Tokyo Ghoul = 2014 Steins Gate = 2011 NGNL = 2014 Naruto = 2002 - 2007 Angel beats! = 2010 https://myanimelist.net/topanime.php?type=bypopularity Airing anime are most talk about, doesn't mean they are popular overall. |
Papa_ScorchAug 25, 2019 12:00 AM
| Its because some newer anime fans don't really watch older shows, they either dont like the art style wich is a dumb way to judge a show. Or they are turned off by older shows because they are not as tropy and not what they want from anime. I still think on average newer anime are inferior to the early 2000s and before, overused anime tropes are the death to every show. Using "Overrated" and "underrated" is really a not so endearing way to start an argument. |
-Mullerio-Aug 25, 2019 12:02 AM
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TheChaika said: HeruruMeruru said: I too don't want to be too harsh on recent anime and I apologize if it seems that way. While from a purely aesthetic level I prefer the look of older anime, some of my favorite anime of all time happen to be very recent. Are any of your recent faves late night Otaku pandering commercials? No? Then you are good to go. Is Kill la Kill late night Otaku pandering commercial? I wanna know if I should bleach my eyes. |
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