Burenai said: More like, I'm literally studying formal logic now, as I do philosophy electives for my major and I can see for CERTAIN you have no knowledge on logic and arguments. And I'm not the one to take the time to frivolously debate people on something I know and they don't. However, one example for you: 'Crime in Canada is equivalent to crime in El Salvador because crime is not completely eradicated and does in-fact exist in Canada. That's about the level of bad logic your argument has.' First of all the structure is If p then q Q Therefore P Secondly, 'referring to how bad logic your argument has' Where? You mean your own logical fallacy? Lol. Yeah yeah I took a philosophy class too. Taking philosophy classes doesn't make you immune to bad arguments. If you want to get formal, your argument is very unsound. You argue ecchi would mostly disappear if it wasn't for piracy and that piracy is the reason it exists. The Japanese audience is the biggest audience for anime. Piracy rates are much lower in Japan compared to the rest of the world. Therefore, ecchi anime cannot possibly be the result of piracy. |
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Kurt_Irving said: Fine, I'll just watch twice as much ecchi to make up for your dumb boycott. FYI, the boycott isn't my original idea, it occurred to someone else before me. Also, you could do that, but all of a sudden, you may decide to watch real porn instead on PH, cable TV or whatever. Real porn is far more profitable or sells better for a reason, subjective but that's where the money is at and real adult material sells exponentially high. The whole attempted point of nearly everyone's posts here "if you don't like it, then don't watch it." America doesnt prioritizing violence enough. American shows are shit so I watch amine for the violence and gore. American media is only good for comedy. America is only good for comedy? look at how well Grimm, Daredevil (which outshined and outsold Arrow), Stranger Things as well as 90s X-Files sells and then come back to me. Ecchi has it's place. In ecchi shows. I understand there is an appeal to "softcore." But you misunderstand. I'm not against ecchi entirely. Also those western shows you mentioned are boring and suck. |
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Kurt_Irving said: I've seen regular porn thousands of times already. Its good to go back to sometimes, but ecchi is new. Ecchi is new? as in new in concept or in general? are you like pulling my leg? ecchi is like milk as porn is to beer and milk is for kids. Ecchi is new for my life. I only started watching any ecchi about six months ago. I've been watching regular porn for almost ten years now. I don't like hardcore porn. I don't get anything out of seeing penetration and I'm super vanilla and don't have any fetishes. I just want to see scantily clad girls and watch sexual foreplay and in ecchi, scantily clad girls and foreplay is all it is. |
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Ryuk9428 said: Ecchi is new for my life. I only started watching any ecchi about six months ago. I've been watching regular porn for almost ten years now. I don't like hardcore porn. I don't get anything out of seeing penetration and I'm super vanilla and don't have any fetishes. I just want to see scantily clad girls and watch sexual foreplay and in ecchi, scantily clad girls and foreplay is all it is. This is respectable. I've never understood the "just watch porn" argument. |
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Also those western shows you mentioned are boring and suck. That's an opinion, not a fact. In entertainment, you can't prove that something is good or bad, it's all subjective. Japanese and American entertainment conglomerates or media companies (including Playboy) don't need to cater to your tastes. They don't care about you as long you don't obstruct their business. What is a fact is that you live under a rock as your said opinion implies. I can tell that you haven't been keeping up with any of those shows I mentioned any more than many of the ecchi anime you try so hard to loathe and evade. As suggested before, if you don't like entertainment XYZ that doesn't fit your bubble, then don't watch it. Other than that, I will come to conclusion that you've been trolling a bit too much on this thread until you can prove that any entertainment sucks, is boring, whatever. |
Kurt_IrvingAug 20, 2019 10:11 PM
| I think it's related to Japan's falling birthrate,so deliberately they focus on Ecchi stuff. |
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In reference to shows where ecchi doesn't need to be implemented. I made that clear in my opening post. |
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| I rather that ecchi is prioritized over anything given it has some of the most enjoyable content to offer. |
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Except that ecchi series have invariably existed on top of other - actual - genres and tend to function primarily as a different type of anime on a fundamental/structural level, just with the noted tendency towards sexualized fanservice being emphasized/being an outright priority. TLR is a bombastic romcom on a structural level, and it's one with a fuckton of sexualization. DxD is something that uses a lot of battle shounen-y-ish conventions and such as part of the way it's being structured and presented, just with a fuckton of sexualization. Yosuga no Sora is an omnibus harem with a lot of drama. MonMusu is a SoL harem comedy. So on and so forth. Is ecchi present enough in it to where people who dislike it would be very put off by it? Yeah, sure, but does that mean that ecchi is outright defining their structural conventions? No, not at all. All of the narratives, structures, fighting sequences, jokes, so on and so forth, easily could exist and be expanded on outside of ecchi if that's not the direction they wanted to take with it, even in series like Shimoneta where opposing a morally prudish society that's repressive towards these things is the main theme of the narrative. It doesn't need fanservice to communicate that idea, just as TLR doesn't need to be fanservicey to be a bombastic romcom. Plenty of all of these things exists without the ecchi tag, and there is a reason for that. Fucking hell, people *still* complain about High School of the Dead taking the scholocky, spoofy route with a lot of senseless violence and fanservice instead of being a The Walking Dead-style zombie survival horror story. If that isn't telling people something about how ecchi functions, then I don't know what is. This is why, as @shirorinkorin pointed out, ecchi isn't ever seen as a genre in Japan. Ecchi is just a descriptive term for anything lewd or obscene in this sense, and that's the way ecchi would be applied to series like TLR or DxD or what the fuck ever. The idea of it even being a genre is a western construct rooted from it being applied to shows as if it was one, and the entire argument that it should only *be* in ecchi series is rooted in an idea that doesn't hold water. Ecchi is not a genre. Almost nothing tagged ecchi structures itself as an ecchi, they're just other kinds of series that have a lot of fanservice. It doesn't help that, even if we were to entertain the idea that ecchi is a concrete enough genre to where literally anything could adequately be completely relegated over to it/contained to it, it'd still be the equivalent of saying that "jokes should only be in comedy anime" or "fighting scenes should only be in action anime." It's not how content distribution works, at all, in any medium. It's unrealistic and it's needlessly regulatory from what's allowed to be displayed in a created work at that, even if you're not presenting it from a morally puritan standpoint. All you can do is complain that you'll accidentally bump into it and that you don't like it and wish it wasn't there. Which, of course, would be completely fair, given you're in no way obligated to like it and you're in no way obligated to keep silent about your distaste for it. But either you're full of shit or you don't understand what you're asking for entails, but to accomplish the idea of removing ecchi from "non-ecchi" series, you'd have to destroy the concept of sexualization being present as a form of fanservice as a whole to relegate it outside of ecchi series; and yes, that would be tantamount to trying to kill or purge ecchi. You're not merely just complaining about it or criticizing its implementation, you're pushing for industry/creative action that's only standing to benefit people like yourself while actively harming people like myself. And *that* is crossing a line that takes it beyond mere resistance against complaints or critique. Face it, what you're advocating for here is nothing that's noble or fair to anybody, it's something entirely seeking self-benefit - and that's fine, just don't be surprised whenever the people who would stand to lose from your self-gain think that you're a complete and utter ass-sucking scumfuck for wanting to take shit away from them in this fashion. At the end of the day, you've just made a glorified rant thread that tries to present itself as being something of more value than it'd ever be capable of upholding. Which is all "Well it can exist, but only in ecchi series" has ever amounted to in the first fucking place, posturing at meeting in the middle without grasping that it isn't going to ever be able to function like that in the first place without a lot of needless and completely unfair regulation of what's allowed to be shown in any creative work and trying to launch an attack the existence of sexualized fanservice as a whole. It's not going to work, and frankly, it shouldn't. Your idea is as two-faced and ignorant as it is disgusting. It sounds like a nice, ideal, flowers-and-sunshine compromise on a superficial level, but beyond the surface, there's nothing but cockroaches, centipedes, and rats that'll be crawling all over and gnawing their way at a corpse. I think people are at least semi-aware of as much and it's why the idea gets some strong resistance each and every time that it's been brought up. |
ManabanAug 22, 2019 3:06 AM
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Ericonator said: Maybe you should stop watching shounen and start watching seinen then. And @Ryuk9428 What does "shounen" and "seinen" have to do with this? |
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| Ask yourself a simple question: "Does the audience ever get tired of ecchi?" Ecchi is already part of the culture when it comes to this medium. The fraction is incontestably large with weebs/degenerates/people who just want some fun or getting rock-hard, who watch anime for such account. So why would this industry ever refrain itself from implementing ecchi, whilst it ought to render the audience with entertainment they yearn for? It is certain that a lot of fans disdained ecchi for it is futility and excessiveness, but I'm sure that they will not let such trifle to ever impede. |
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| I don't like forced/stpidly inserted ecchi in a show as It can be done in a better way as stupid perverts can exist in any anime etc. It depends how the shows use the ecchi term. |
| Should I troll in the troll bait threads? It is kinda idiotic to be logical in the troll bait threads. Well, it will depend on my mood. |
| Oh look, another prudish ecchi hate thread. |
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| Sex sells I know you have already got that answer but it's true. That's one reason why horror films will never lose stuff like girls in bikinis or scenes centered around sex. Because it grabs the viewers attention rather quickly. Micheal Bay knows that with his ass and boob shots even for his action films. It sells because biologically speaking it's something that is designed to grab our attention by nature. |
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EndlessMaria said: BallisticRiot said: It's part of their culture and a lot of things are heavily fetishized in Japanese culture and that's reflected in anime. I agree that it's often unnecessarily inserted and can take away from a show, but it's here to stay :/ Their culture can be pretty irritating. Trips to the beach, hot springs, festivals, club activities, I'm fucking sick of all of it. However, despite this japan seems to create the most amount of media that appeals to me compared to media from other places of the world. Even so, it's frustrating seeing the same cliches again and again and again. Boohoo, cry me a river. You sound entitled. There is plenty of anime without ecchi. Get over your illogical issue. |
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| Well, i have an unpopular and weird opinion for u :- Do Meditation every day and calm ur soul. It will also help in increasing ur toleration power. Coz the way things are right now its safe to assume that Ecchi is not going anywhere. |
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| As for me, I don't mind at all about Ecchi, in fact I love it. The only thing I'd much more prefer if there were less harems or less emphasis/focus on the harem genre or element in anime, and focus more on Ecchi situations for multiple male characters instead of for only one male character. An example of that would be Nande Sensei ga Koko ni ? anime and the World's End Harem manga. Heck, even Visual Novels need more such titles and scenarios with multiple protagonists, as I find it boring and jealous/envious if only one male character gets all the attention from all of the female cast of a story........ |
EhurvaksAug 22, 2019 7:32 AM
| I frown at recent installments of Persona and Trails of Cold Steel that introduce harem-like elements in the story. We need more JRPGs like the past Lunar series, where there are multiple romantic pairings in the party other than for the protagonist and main heroine. |
| They already did, years ago. The late 00s and maybe early 10s were when ecchi had a lot of titles but these days you barely get one or two in most seasons. |
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HeruruMeruru said: all these people saying "it's their culture" are very ignorant about Japanese culture. It's otaku culture, but otaku culture does not represent all Of Japan. That's like saying bronies represent American culture. Most Japanese don't give a flying fuck about ecchi anime or even look down upon it and the only anime they watch if at all is like, Detective Conan and Doraemon and stuff. Otaku are by far the minority in Japan. But they spend a lot of money, so that is who the industry will pander to. Calling the entire country of Japan a bunch of perverts is frankly kinda rude. Are drugs not a part of American culture? Is getting wasted at a pub not part of Irish culture? Is vodka and alcoholism not a part of Russian culture? Were cigarettes not a part of 1970s American culture? Is gender segregation not a part of Saudi Arabia's culture? Are love hotels and prostitution also not a part of Japanese culture? If you answered yes, then that shows you're basically trying to deny that anything controversial can be part of a country's culture. Ecchi anime is not limited to otakus. 60% of all the media coming out of Japan is anime and a small chunk of the 40% that isn't are live action adaptations of anime, which means that, anime is a much bigger part of Japan's culture than the "I'm the one who really understands Japan, and I know they hate weebs!" crowd claims it to be. A lot of horny teenage boys in Japan probably fap to ecchi regardless of whether they are obsessed with anime or not. Anime is an enormous part of the teen/young adult culture in Japan. Most of the J-pop songs I hear either have an anime girl on the cover, are voiced by Hatsune Miku or some other vocaloid program, or are obviously inspired by anime. There is J-pop that is completely unrelated to anime, but it is the minority. |
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| when ecchi stops making money then ya |
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| Nope. Just like you said it's were some moolah is coming from so I doubt it. |
Nerdanimefan1992 said: Stoorainclaire said: nope, as a matter fact that every ecchi of anime sales is very good in japan if I'm not mistaken. it's not going to happen soon or maybe in the next 10-20 years. I personally want to separate the ecchi genre from anime and just straight away make hentai. ofcourse I don't mind ecchi. but I really don't like when it's combined with good anime. shokugeki no souma, fairy tail and Highschool of the Dead to name few. Thoses all terrible examples because their all ecchi series Not to mention thoses series wouldn’t work without the ecchi element This. I always find it funny when someone cries about ecchi in anime that clearly have the ecchi tag, and then cry it would be better without out. |
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EndlessMaria said: Will anime ever stop forcing in ecchi elements whenever possible? I have no problem with ecchi in purely ecchi shows. Ecchi is a genre and many people love it and that's fine. However, I am getting sick of the obligatory boob gropes and molestations in anime where ecchi isn't needed. Usually in serious shows where brief ecchi scenes are injected in an attempt to "lighten the mood." Similar to "humor" in shows that aren't primarily comedies (such as the short "jokes" in FMA), these scenes often just come off as fucking frustrating and a waste of time. Imo these needless subversions just hurt the show and ruin the pacing and impact of the plot. I know ecchi is there to make money, but will it ever go away in shows that don't need it? In my experience these ecchi moments only last seconds, and are far afew in between. Honestly op, you're making mountains out of molehills. |
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