Kimetsu no Yaiba Episode 19 Discussion

zalapeno said:
this episode sure was good and the last 5 minutes was a total bomb, best episode of the entire series so far. but, this episode alone still couldnt make the anime become aoty. the best candidates to be aoty for me so far only AOT S3p2 and MOB2

joke_lang said:
This is anime of the year! I don't care what anyone says.
This is a masterpiece. Shame on MAL community not voting it 9.0 and above. It is better than AOT season 3.
And some people are saying Vinland Saga is anime of the year. Nope this is anime of the year!

puppetmazter said:
I dont understand you. How is this nonsensical? We are only 19 episodes in and you dont have any point of reference as to how the rules are in this world.
We dont know about the Demon Arts, the Breathing methods, the 12 Super Demons, what the lower 5 are, what the deal with his father dance is, nothing.

So basically youre calling it nonsense, because it hasnt been set up long enough for you? None of his breathing techniques have been set up.

So dont tell me you had enough info to know what to expect, or what makes sense in this world. We dont know shit so far..

Alex_Amor said:
In defense of this episode and to answer to all the people who are claiming this episode to be bs in terms of story writing or say that its cliche and all, I would say there was plenty of foreshadowing for his power up scene.

Here are all the foreshadowing i noticed for this uptill now:-

1) Tanjirou was expected to have crimson sword cause he was son of fire or something
2) When Kibutsuji asked his goons to track tanjirou, he said something along the lines of 'find the guy with hanada(idr the spelling) earrings
3)Even in the opening lyrics there is a line in eng translation that 'I will let the crimson lotus grow'

and now maybe they should have done a bit more foreshadowing and even i felt that tanjirou's sword will surely change when they said some thing along the lines that 'people with black colored sword don't live long though the color can change over time too'

Also as i mentioned before the episode was great and all, I am loving the show too but I would say(to say the least) its going a bit too far to say that this anime is a masterpiece or the best anime ever.

zalapeno said:
strongly disagree, this episode ALONE CANT make the anime deserve an aoty. Totally agree this episode was godly but aot still far better overall (for me at least)

stand said:
One visually splendid episode does not make the entire anime a masterpiece.
That being said i'd like to see more Nezuko.

nutsie said:

That's the point. We don't know anything.

If nothing is step up for the moment, why would I be excited when it happens? Imagine that there was no set up at all for Goku going SSJ vs Freeza. The saiyans being a race that get stronger after each close fight. The power struggle between the saiyans and Freeza. Vegeta blindly believing in the legend and trying and failing to achieve it. Goku coming to grasps with his duty. The transformation between the calm and collected Goku to a rageful and arrogant one.

What was set up for Tanjiro doing what he did in episode 19? I don't even care about foreshadowing, as Toriyama was notorious for writing Dragonball as he went along, but he knew how to prepare the most iconic moment in the franchise.

puppetmazter said:
I respect you opinion, dont get me wrong.
But you say that you cannot get excited for this episode because there was no set up.
Then, when it comes to Dragonball, you dont even care about foreshadowing?
Thats some major bias my friend.

Freakboy69 said:


Absolutely not, especially the second one... come on.
And just to add, this is my first and only account I use. Don't misundrestand me, I love this show and have been watching it since it started airing, and I don't plan on droppin' it, either.

I in no way intended to offend you and/or attack anyone for that matter, but if it did seem like that, then I apologize, I'm sorry.

euujin said:
phenomenal adaptation of this part, and it's only gonna get better from here. still shocked people are rating this series so high just because of one episode, considering the average start, minimal character progression, lack of explanation on as to what the hell breaths are, and poor usage of backstory. ofc this is all the fault of the source material, so nonetheless hats off the ufotable's team.

Samoan said:
the anime started with a high score it not just this episode.he was already 8.5x before this episode

euujin said:
phenomenal adaptation of this part, and it's only gonna get better from here. still shocked people are rating this series so high just because of one episode, considering the average start, minimal character progression, lack of explanation on as to what the hell breaths are, and poor usage of backstory. ofc this is all the fault of the source material, so nonetheless hats off the ufotable's team.

euujin said:
phenomenal adaptation of this part, and it's only gonna get better from here. still shocked people are rating this series so high just because of one episode, considering the average start, minimal character progression, lack of explanation on as to what the hell breaths are, and poor usage of backstory. ofc this is all the fault of the source material, so nonetheless hats off the ufotable's team.

cockblockpolice said:
I LOST MY WORDS LOOKING AT THIS MASTERPIECE OF ANIME! EVERYTHING WAS A PERFECTION! I CRIED AND REWATCH THIS EPISODE LIKE EVERYDAY!

well im not exaggerating, but this is the truth and i know y'all just witnessed it
in terms of animation, ost and story was so damn PERFECT!
BEST EPISODE AND ANIME OF THE YEAR HANDS DOWN NO DOUBT

who said AOT as aoty candidate? that was best joke of the year lmao. this anime should be praised more than aot and deserve a score above 9

Nezukoisangel said:

If you didn't like AOT, then it's fine, it's not a story that you are forced to like but what you are saying about it being overrated or that the show is a joke is VERY exaggerated!

AOT was never meant to be only a shounen action oriented story, it's more about mystery, so you will never enjoy a scene if you don't watch it all fully, without skipping anything, because it has too much foreshadowing and hints and many strange mysterious scenes, that you wouldn't understand at first.

I read the manga, and I can easily say, it's one of the best fictional stories I have ever read, it's really one of the most well written and thoughtful mangas of all time. It's not joke if people think it's one of the best ever, I don't know if you care about writing, but the writing in this story is BRILLIANT!

You can't put down the effort put in this story/show to praise another show, there's a difference between don't liking a show and hating on it for no reason.

I love KNY, and this episode was one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen, but it doesn't make it better than AOT at all, because story wise AOT is on another whole level from plot to characters depth to dialogues and it gets more and more complicated later on, it's not typical and predicable and you end up understanding each side, you can't say for sure who's the bad ones, if there's any.
So, a story like this really takes a lot of writing skills.. let animation aside, music aside, only writing... AOT wins hands down.

As a person who watches anime a lot, it's rare to watch such shows with unique stories like AOT, just like it's rare to watch something like KNY's last episode with its heavenly animation.

I wish that KNY will show more of the plot in S2, I might read the manga after this season ends.


So, it's fine that many would say that AOT S3 part 2 is AOTY, I also think so, and I think if it didn't win then should be Mob Pyscho 100 2 or Vinland Saga and the fourth choice is KNY.



If you just keep thinking people are insane and that we're overreacting then don't be mad at people who think that KNY is bad and overrated and trust me they will increase after the series ends, it always happens.

2ego said:
It pretty much does make it nonsensical considering the "father dance" occured only at the very end. However, moments before it was stated: "Theory that people look for a solution to survive right before death - causing them to experience their life before their eyes," which is a nice touch. Nonetheless, the powerup shouldn't make him like 10 times stronger, it's just...abrupt. I won't continue debating with you by the way, since debunking hardcore fanboys is just tiresome and borderline impossible with their narrow mindsets when it comes to listening to what other people say.

-Stray said:
Some of you keep on saying Tanjiro and Nezuko pulled an asspull (as much as it isnt as the show had foreshadowed Tanjiro having something to do with it the moment he was making his sword and how he has a special background when Muzan remembered his earrings) why can't ya'll blame Rui for doing it first? he pulled that demon technique at the last moment, Tanjiro and Nezuko just did what he did.

You guys have to remember that an author especially in shonen ones has to keep the foreshadows at a minimal and make it as much less sense as they can so the readers/watchers doesnt catch up on what it is, and in turn gets a "WTF JUST HAPPENED" moment. They're not obliged to feed you all the info from the start, they can do it slowly as the story progress.


I see your point but the show has somewhat provided us with minimal foreshadowing, a foreshadow doesnt have to be full blown or focused on and as much as possible the author doesnt make it as obvious as it should be otherwise we'd be expecting it and in turn not get us as hyped and surprised by the development when it gets revealed.
I'd say the author did just fine with her foreshadows and the big reveal. Also I kinda don't want to spoil you as some manga readers just spoiled me about how Tanjiro could literally just cut a more powered up ver of Rui's threads by remembering the Fire God dance technique but its basically

2ego said:
DON'T spoil the manga, spoiler button or not, we haven't gotten there yet.

-Stray said:

HAHAHA yeah I guess its pretty hard to not click the spoiler button even tho you wouldnt wanna get spoiled. Just that if you were curious its gonna get an explanation sooner or later, or you can just GIVE IN AND CLICK THE SPOILER 😈😈😈

2ego said:
That's the problem with manga readers, THIS IS THE ANIME, not the manga, if we wanted, we WOULD read the manga. And no, I won't click, as I am judging the ANIME not the MANGA.

-Stray said:

Calm down, you're way too heated up, I put a spoiler tag in it so its your mistake if you click it or not, its an alternative as you seem to be so surprised and confused about how Tanjiro got 10x more powerful when that wasnt really the case. If you dont want people calling you out on it then do yourself a favor and not go crazy over things that will get explained in the future. You basically had a problem with stuffs that will obviously get explained while the story progresses so if you wanna comment about the ep then comment on what happened, not on what HASNT happened yet.
Also no I am not a manga reader, I just got spoiled because I was curious on how he was able to cut it despite having a problem with it earlier. Thats about all I got spoiled on.

2ego said:
Oh, you got spoiled, ouch. Well, right now it's nothing more than an ass-pull, I'll pray it's going to get explained later.

Kiruto9 said:
🤩🤩🤩🤩

Theorder14 said:

How is it an ass-pull when we already had lots of clues that Tanjiro might learn a fire technique ever since episode 5? Do you also think Ichigo becoming a hollow or Luffy going g2 also asspulls?

2ego said:
I'm not going to try to convince you into believing what I believe happened, since your experience was really really good with it, therefore your joy and trust in this show is adamant. You can take Nux Taku's video though, people often link it as an "explanation," while he didn't even try to refute people's accusations, the entire video was of him justifying that moment as "simple shounen at it's finest." That part was an ass-pull, and I won't get in depth since you either way won't listen to reason. I didn't watch Bleach yet, but the One Piece one: no, it wasn't an ass-pull at all. Luffy learned how to use it by getting beaten up by CP-0 members, after having some time to study their technique. Don't compare this to One Piece by the way, it makes it unfair for Kimetsu no Yaiba as much as I love this show.

Theorder14 said:

In your opinion. What is the definiton of an asspull?
Is it still an asspull if it has been foreshadowed several times.
In Luffy's case, he didn't have any similar ideas before it where he could make a logical transition into it and there were no foreshadowing.KnY at the very least had several foreshadowing.

"I'm not going to try to convince you into believing what I believe happened, since your experience was really really good with it, therefore your joy and trust in this show is adamant. "

I think that the main difference between you and me is that i actually pay attention to the small stuff in the show. For example, you had no idea Tanjiro never used the tenth form on the spider father and complained about that and you most likely didn't catch on the foreshadowing to the fire dance too.

2ego said:
I pay attention to everything, don't act insolent. An ass-pull is something like this: a character gets beaten up and clearly cannot win against their opponent, yet somehow randomly develops some weird technique out of nowhere and beats the opponent. Foreshadowing alone doesn't make it "not an ass-pull," since logic has to be included, their world's logic of course. Of course he didn't have any ideas, he got beaten up literally instantly by them, he stood no chance, how do you expect him to develop gears mid-battle? After he was beaten up though, quite some time passed until he fought against them again, and that's when he developed some of the gears. Seriously, don't compare this to One Piece, One Piece is one of the best shows out there.

Theorder14 said:

I'm only comparing the scenes of the show to get an idea what you consider an asspull.
In Tanjiro's case, His father already passed on the breathing technique and Tanjiro only rememebered when his life was in danger.
don't know if u watch hxh but it's the same case there when Welfin had to push his brain to the limit to survive.

"I pay attention to everything, don't act insolent."

Not to be mean but you have already proven that you didn't though or you just didn't remember.

Theorder14 said:
I'm only comparing the scenes of the show to get an idea what you consider an asspull.
In Tanjiro's case, His father already passed on the breathing technique and Tanjiro only rememebered when his life was in danger.
don't know if u watch hxh but it's the same case there when Welfin had to push his brain to the limit to survive.

"I pay attention to everything, don't act insolent."

Not to be mean but you have already proven that you didn't though or you just didn't remember.

Esquirtit said:
@Theorder14 Dude how is Welfin pushing his brain to the limit the same? He only had to remember a name, there's no asspull since he just used his brain to come up with an answer that would secure his life.You equate two very different situations only because the story of KnY is ass