Vinland Saga
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elementex said: "too boring, dropped" - The guy who gave Isekai Cheat Magician a 10/10 |
ElucidAug 12, 2019 7:23 PM
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Pretty original opinion I must say. You can watch what you want, even if I question you. It's just that I'm tired of Isekai, it's like a plague that started with the good ones then spread while degraded at the same time. |
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| Finally the real thing begin next episode :) |
| Thorfinn has become a murderer! |
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Mythologically said: TsukuyomiREKT said: You might as well drop this. He's only going to become a better fighter from this point onward, and it's obvious that your fixation on realism is hindering your enjoyment of the show. No, my enjoyment is mainly hindered by the lack of any excitement whatsoever. Besides for Thors vs Askeladd, which I really enjoyed, I've been struggling to stay awake throughout this show. The lack of realism was just a small point that I brought up in my first post due to it slightly annoying me, but now that about 28 people have quoted me on it, I'm actually starting to care about it. Well, to be honest. If you pointed it in a more civil manner and less cocky, then you would have less people up your ass about it. |
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Mythologically said: Taito10 said: No, in this series some people have super strength or super agility. It is not realistic anime, you should already know this after episode four. "haha the MC is randomly overpowered" "No, some other people are randomly overpowered" Damn, what an astute point! Got me there! Alright, I'm gonna give you an A+ for finding a profile picture that fits your personality. |
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| Once again, another canon+source episode that helps in establishing Thorfinn's growing years into a "rightful" warrior in war, that leads his murderous intent towards Askeladd and his men of pirates. And I still swear that the subs are misleading emotions at best. There's no impact. The moment when the lady saw Thorfinn's REAL nature at the end of the episode...it was TRUE devastation. The tears from her kind but regretful eyes...it was too painful to see such a kid commit murder in front of her eyes, but Thorfinn's just hashing it off like it's nothing. The era of Vikings was where Thorfinn left his father Thors's legacy that humans are worth saving. It wasn't a path that he should be following, but the "father figure" of Askeladd is what he embraces, and that is lost. Splendid episode as always. Marvelous. |
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shane_nichols said: Tischa said: Yeah they're awesome, but Ufotable is in a league of it's own. I'll admit that.But Vinland saga also has glorious animation and backgrounds Ufotable has its hits and misses. They fucked up adapting Gyo, that's for sure. Couldn't capture the essence of its story. I love Kimetsu no Yaiba and it's one of my faves but in no way does it even compare to the plot and sheer beauty of Vinland Saga. Even in the manga, the story of KnY follows certain Anime tropes that still make it generic despite some unique themes added into the mix. ------------------------------ This episode was pretty great. They fleshed out Thorfinn's growth during his more juvenile days which weren't really in the manga. That scene where the old Englishwoman was heartbroken after seeing Thorfinn attack those soldiers was the best part. You can see Thorfinn try to hide a part of his humanity in order to get what his heart desires the most: to kill Askeladd. The only two people I like on Askledd's crew are Askeladd himself and Thorfinn. For everyone else, I honestly couldn't care less. |
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| that was pretty sad also Thorfinn and his Enchanted daggers, auto-clean blood whenever he killed an enemy, OP |
| It was a great episode, I even re-watched it once Finally it's starting to get good So far it was kind of boring for me, I hope it only gets better from now on |
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| The psychology of Thorfinn is amazing. For anyone wondering, the reason he stays with Askeladd is that, first and foremost, he has to have Askeladd's recognition on the battlefield in order to duel him, and second is out of necessity. This is going to be in my top 5 maybe even top 3 anime, I can already see it. |
  We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think? ------------------------------------ Itachi Uchiha |
| Next great and pretty episode.Good that Thorfinn is finally 2-3 years older. |
| this is actually really hard to watch, watching ma boi killing people without any strong reason other than continue his life seeking nothing he cant even really see |
 MAL score and most user-based rating system are all joke, Imagine trusting plebs and hivemind. Find users who have good sense and rating and use them as a reference. Check my guide to rate Your taste is trash. Cope, seethe, mald |
| LOL, people letting themselves be killed instead of hearing more of the little shits screams... |
| Thorfinn grew up huh. That old lady staring at Thorfinn with tears in her eyes was a hard hitting scene. |
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| Thorfinn, from a huge pussy to a savage edgy kid, what a madman. Feel bad for him though, he doesn't know what to do anymore so he just resorts to killing. The old woman didn't have to go through that |
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| The animation seemed a bit stiffer in this episode. Otherwise, I though the fight scenes were pretty cool. The second half of the episode was rather sad. I'm interested to see what happens next. |
Chrawnus said: JakkoFourEyes said: Lol there's absolutely nothing honourable about what he's currently doing. The duel won't be very honourable if he got there by helping Askeladd and his men kill and rape entire villages. He can stay with them all he wants, but actually helping them is an entirely different thing. I get that he's blinded by revenge, but this is really extreme. It's not about what's honourable to you, it's about what's honourable in Viking culture. Is that really how viking culture work tho? Killing a man in is sleep is dishonorable but raiding villages is ok? I'm not an historian but that doesn't really make that much sense to me tbh. |
vhagar8 said: Chrawnus said: It's not about what's honourable to you, it's about what's honourable in Viking culture. Is that really how viking culture work tho? Killing a man in is sleep is dishonorable but raiding villages is ok? I'm not an historian but that doesn't really make that much sense to me tbh. Vikings believed in 'honour by combat' there is no honour in killing someone in his sleep only in combat, and all you get in combat is yours by right, be it slaves, treasure or warever. They where stronger than those villagers, soo theres nothing wrong in raiding and pillaging them. Same with Thorfinn dilema, Askellad killed his father, soo he has the obligation of avenging him or else he would be seen as a coward, but most would have waited until they became grown men before seeking revenge. |
| Best episode so far, which is saying something since this series has been riding the high waves from the beginning. Great character development for Thorfinn, excellent OST, and beautiful emotional moments. I was repeatedly muttering "oh my god" when the mother was crying. The animation took a noticeable dip here, though it's nothing major. |
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Tougen said: vhagar8 said: Is that really how viking culture work tho? Killing a man in is sleep is dishonorable but raiding villages is ok? I'm not an historian but that doesn't really make that much sense to me tbh. Vikings believed in 'honour by combat' there is no honour in killing someone in his sleep only in combat, and all you get in combat is yours by right, be it slaves, treasure or warever. They where stronger than those villagers, soo theres nothing wrong in raiding and pillaging them. Same with Thorfinn dilema, Askellad killed his father, soo he has the obligation of avenging him or else he would be seen as a coward, but most would have waited until they became grown men before seeking revenge. So you're saying that when vikings raid a village they politely wait for the villagers to get prepared and pick up their weapons? Because I don't really see how killing a disarmed person differs from killing a person in his sleep. And if by any chance someone is like too drunk to fight while they're raiding what? They wait for his hangover to pass before challenging him to a duel? I genuinely don't understand why Vikings would have any issue with killing a person in his sleep. |
vhagar8 said: Tougen said: Vikings believed in 'honour by combat' there is no honour in killing someone in his sleep only in combat, and all you get in combat is yours by right, be it slaves, treasure or warever. They where stronger than those villagers, soo theres nothing wrong in raiding and pillaging them. Same with Thorfinn dilema, Askellad killed his father, soo he has the obligation of avenging him or else he would be seen as a coward, but most would have waited until they became grown men before seeking revenge. So you're saying that when vikings raid a village they politely wait for the villagers to get prepared and pick up their weapons? Because I don't really see how killing a disarmed person differs from killing a person in his sleep. And if by any chance someone is like too drunk to fight while they're raiding what? They wait for his hangover to pass before challenging him to a duel? I genuinely don't understand why Vikings would have any issue with killing a person in his sleep. They have no problem with killing people in their sleep per say, its just that they must prove they are better fighters than their rivals to earn a spot in valhalla, soo killing a rival in their sleep would be seen as cowardly because that would mean they fear their riva and thus would NEVER win respect by doing that, not because 'its wrong to kill people when they cant defend themselves'. As for the vilagers? They are just weaklings, a means to make a proffit seeling slaves and pillaging all they have. That dosent mean vikings are stupid either, if they can outsmart their enemies they will do it, a commander dosent want to lose soldiers needlessly even if they are vikings, soo murdering all the villagers before they have a chance to flee and call reinforcements from another garison is just the natural move. |
Tougen said: vhagar8 said: So you're saying that when vikings raid a village they politely wait for the villagers to get prepared and pick up their weapons? Because I don't really see how killing a disarmed person differs from killing a person in his sleep. And if by any chance someone is like too drunk to fight while they're raiding what? They wait for his hangover to pass before challenging him to a duel? I genuinely don't understand why Vikings would have any issue with killing a person in his sleep. They have no problem with killing people in their sleep per say, its just that they must prove they are better fighters than their rivals to earn a spot in valhalla, soo killing a rival in their sleep would be seen as cowardly because that would mean they fear their riva and thus would NEVER win respect by doing that, not because 'its wrong to kill people when they cant defend themselves'. As for the vilagers? They are just weaklings, a means to make a proffit seeling slaves and pillaging all they have. That dosent mean vikings are stupid either, if they can outsmart their enemies they will do it, a commander dosent want to lose soldiers needlessly even if they are vikings, soo murdering all the villagers before they have a chance to flee and call reinforcements from another garison is just the natural move. Mmmmm ok, if that's what they're going for in this anime, it's really poorly derivered imo, but at least I guess I can see a little bit where they're coming from now, thanks. |
| Too bad the animation quality dropped this episode |
ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: Mmmmm ok, if that's what they're going for in this anime, it's really poorly derivered imo, but at least I guess I can see a little bit where they're coming from now, thanks. It's not poorly delivered at all. You have to have some basic sense of what Vikings are and what their culture is. They shouldn't have to hold your hands. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Killing a warrior in his sleep = dishonorable Killing a warrior in a duel = honorable Pillaging and raiding = common place You have convoluted completely separate issues because you are projecting YOUR moral values on to THEM. You CAN NOT do that when watching ANY historical work. EVER. Otherwise you will end up confused and it honestly comes off as ignorant as well. You shouldn't be required to have any sort of previous knowledge to watch an anime. And c'mon are u seriosly saying I'm the one projecting my moral values on em? Isn't the anime fucking concept to project our values in the vikings society? Anyway, none of these "warriors' code" values or whatever is mentioned in the anime. Never is mentioned that thorfinn is following them to earn a spot in valhalla or whatever. The only reason presented in the anime as to why thorfinn is following them is to get revenge, which to me, it's a fucking dumb reason. That's everything the anime tells us and that's what I'm sticking to, if there were other reasons the author forgot to mention, it's his bad. And that's why I said it's poorly delivered. |
ChainxBastard said: vhagar8 said: You shouldn't be required to have any sort of previous knowledge to watch an anime. And c'mon are u seriosly saying I'm the one projecting my moral values on em? Isn't the anime fucking concept to project our values in the vikings society? Anyway, none of these "warriors' code" values or whatever is mentioned in the anime. Never is mentioned that thorfinn is following them to earn a spot in valhalla or whatever. The only reason presented in the anime as to why thorfinn is following them is to get revenge, which to me, it's a fucking dumb reason. That's everything the anime tells us and that's what I'm sticking to, if there were other reasons the author forgot to mention, it's his bad. And that's why I said it's poorly delivered. It's common knowledge. Like, elementary. Even still, Valhalla was explained when Thorfinn was play fighting and he was the first one to die. He talked about it to his friend who also "died" in the game. The anime concept isn't to "project" our values in Viking's society. As far as I can tell, it's a message about the horrors of war and how it twists innocent people and forces people to join in on needless conflict. Earning a spot in Valhalla has literally nothing to do with why Thorfinn wants to kill Askeladd. Thorfinn wants to avenge his father's death by killing Askeladd in an honorable duel BECAUSE Askeladd killed his father DISHONORABLY. It's literally spelled out for you in the 5th episode. Wanting revenge is not a dumb reason. He was raised in an environment where people CONSTANTLY avenge the deaths of their comrades, let alone their fathers. The author covered all of his bases so far. I don't understand why you're so confused. I'm not trying to be condescending, but I really don't understand how you can't follow 6 episodes worth of prologue. The information given isn't hard to grasp either, it's literally said overtly. Maybe you need to rewatch all of the episodes again. The fact that Thorfinn cares more about getting his revenge HONORABLY than actually getting his revenge is what is fucking dumb. If he really cared about avenging his father he'd do it in every way possible. He's willing to go as far as; serve the man who killed his father, help him raiding villages, rejecting his father teachings and start killing people, wait decades to get get his revenge. But he's not willing to go "as far" as killing the man he actually wants to kill in his sleep? That doesn't make any sense, and it's the poorest characterization I've seen in a long time. The fact that the anime spells out that in ep 5 doesn't change anything. Acknowledging how bad u are doesn't make u any better. It's not about not understanding the premise, it's about the premise being stupid as fuck. |
| This really is top notch show. From a fairly pedestrian opening couple of episodes, it has really picked up big time since, and I love the complexity in Thorfinn's morally dubious upbringing, and makes a nice change from the typically shounen-esque morally righteous black or white characters. I understand this is a Seinen so shouldn't be so encumbered with these tropes, but it's a refreshing change none the less. Having read the manga, I obviously know what is coming, but so far it seems to have been adapted pretty well by WiT. I don't understand the perceptions by some in this thread that it's too graphic or some of the themes are too raw. The events of the show may not be historically accurate right down a T, but the setting and brutality of that particular period is. The 10-11th century wasn't all roses and sunshine for everyone. War wasn't pleasant, and women were treated like disposable commodities a lot of the time. |
HopefulNihilist said: ChainxBastard said: What you are saying makes no sense. 1) Thorfinn cares about doing it honorably because doing so would bring honor to his FATHER. You don't care about honor personally, which is fine, but HE and this CULTURE does. Why do you think they say, "In the name of [insert ancestor here]," before they engage in an HONORABLE duel? If he killed Askeladd in his sleep, I.E. in a DISHONORABLE way, THEN HE IS NO BETTER THAN ASKELADD. 2) He's serving him to get stronger in order TO defeat him in a duel. He needs experience in battle, even if it means fighting and pillaging farmers. IN SPITE of this, he still attempted to save the village this episode and tell everyone to run. But it was too late. 3) Thorfinn rejected his father's teachings since episode 2. Come up with a better point. 4) The premise isn't dumb, because it's a critically acclaimed manga series for what I have been told. Everyone sings its praises, but somehow, you know better in spite of your fundamental lack of comprehension. You can't seem to get over that what Thorfinn is doing makes sense for HIS time period, NOT OURS. In essence, he's NOT doing what YOU would do, so YOU think it's dumb. That is asinine. You OBVIOUSLY don't have an honorable bone in your body, but DO NOT PROJECT THAT onto Thorfinn. I have to agree with @ChainxBastard. Maybe if Vinland Saga was set in our period, I'd understand your point more @vhagar8, but it's not. It's set in an era where honor means a lot. I think we should think of it this way: Thorfinn witnessed his father being dishonorably killed in front of him, when he was a child. This hammers in the, "honor > everything" point in his mind. You're right in that it's stupid that he's willing to do so much to kill Askeladd (participate in pillaging, killing people, etc). Yet, in a twisted way, dishonorably avenging his father crosses that line. Because, as @ChainxBastard has said, from Thorfinn's perspective, he'd be no better than Askeladd. No really. His father was a coward who refused to kill people and ran away from the battlefield, he was literally the dishonor of vikings himslef, he didn't deserve to be treated with honor but to be killed like a dog. If thorfinn really cared about vikings morals, he'd piss on his father tomb. But I'm the one projecting my morals on the story... Whenever his porpose is to avenge his father or to honor his memory, it's done poorly |
phantomfandom said: And is this fantasy? A group of highly developed countries were once involced in such an unreasonably barbaric act? Oh boy, you don't know nothing about human history... |
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