Steins;Gate Episode 9 Discussion

SheevPalpatine said:


Episode 6 and Episode 7

Kish0 said:


After looking at those episodes I still can't find that they explained or at least shown how the Phone Microwave setting up the receiver phone's number.

SheevPalpatine said:


In Episode 6, Kurisu(tina) explains how the phonewave works. In Episode 7, Daru says he upgraded the phonewave. In Episode 8, at Luka's D-Mail it is shown that Daru typed in Luka's mother's pager number (which is technically a phone number) in the PC which is connected to the phonewave.

SheevPalpatine said:


Dunno, you are the first one who complaining about this. Daru mentioned clearly that he upgraded the phonewave, and now they can send messages to EVERY phone, they don't have to attach it to the phonewave. I don't know what was your problem. They sent D-Mail to Moeka when her phone wasn't attached to the phonewave. They sent D-Mail to Luka's mother when the pager wasn't attached to the phonewave.

MehabubMac said:
I'm really Confused after just watching the episode 9 that Why is the IBN5100 really so important?? If Daru managed to hack SERN without it anyway? in this episode, kurisu talks about CERNs inability to send people corporealy into the past -- something she shouldn't know, given that in the current worldline, they do not have the ibn 5100 and haven't deciphered CERNs messages? is this a mistake?

SheevPalpatine said:


The IBN wasn't needed to hack into SERN and reed the Jellymen reports. The IBN is needed to decrypt a certain SERN database named Echelon

MehabubMac said:


But as you can see in the previous episodes like in 04 itaru hacks SERN and founds out their experiments and he found a file where it says human is dead mismatch and next comes the jellyman report and when tries to open it some kind of coding appears on the screen and daru starts reading books and he was unable to find then they would know they need IBN to hack that coding and in ep 05 they hacks that finds out what the jellyman report is, it's very clear that they needed Ibn to know about jellyman

SheevPalpatine said:


I admit that the anime is a bit confusing at this point, but the VN is more clear about this: the IBN wasn't needed to read the reports.

In the anime, the dialogue is the next:
Daru: The details are in Jellyman's report #143.
Okabe: What is Jellyman's report?
D: How should I know? But there is a strange database in the server.
O: What is this?
D: Perhaps a programing code.

From this, I think it is clear that the Jellyman's report #143 and the the code are two entirely different things.

The IBN was needed to decrypt that code.

MehabubMac said:
I ve seen the VN, even in that they weren't able to know the SERN'S incapability of sending a human back in time and he turns into a jellyman till they got IBN5100, they just knew that a report called jellyman Existed but they couldn't able to open it since it's a part of z program

SheevPalpatine said:


Again: no. The report and the database are two different things. The Z-program is not the database, the Z-program is the codename of the whole project (time travel research). In Episode 4, Daru didn't find the report yet.

MehabubMac said:


Read the novel again, When they first find out that Human is dead mismatch it says that further details are in jellyman's report 14, Okabe asks daru What is jellyman's report ?, Daru starts typing once the question is asked but he soon clicks his tongue, and Daru replies: I can't find it in the Jack's mail we need an account with more privileges. So leaves that problem and searches for machines as Okabe requested. After searching another 15 mins he doesn't find anything about the machines.Later he discusses about how strange the database is and it's kind of buggy and some coding, So They need IBN to decrypt that code, But in episode 9 they already knew about the incapability of SERN'S sending a man alive which is not possible given that they don't have IBN 5100 in the present worldline

SheevPalpatine said:


Thank you. In this comment, you actually answered your own question.

"Daru replies: I can't find it in the Jack's mail we need an account with more privileges. So leaves that problem and searches for machines as Okabe requested."

This is the point. They can't read the reports, BECAUSE THEY NEED AN ACCOUNT WITH MORE PRIVILEGES. Not because they don't have the IBN. This is the proof that they don't need the IBN to read the report.
The database (Echelon) is a totally different thing than the report. The IBN was needed to decrypt Echelon. Echelon has nothing to do with the reports.

MehabubMac said:


I'm still confused since I haven't watched whole series maybe I will understand what you are saying after I complete watching the whole series, any way thank you for your time and concern my brother 👍

SheevPalpatine said:


Oh, this explains a lot. Don't worry, you will know what is the purpose of Echelon.

Sharpedon said:
A few points about the first 9 episodes..

I had avoided this show until now, despite its stellar ratings here, because it involves time travel, which 99+% of the time has been handled poorly in everything I've watched or read. Nevertheless, time travel is handled quite elegantly in this anime via the "World Lines" concept. World lines (which are eerily similar to the "Quantum world" concept of Avengers Endgame, just minus the quantum bits) can even resolve the grandfather paradox : if you go back in time and kill your grandfather (before even your father is born) you will be instantly evicted from your timeline and moved to another timeline where you didn't kill him.

Your "original" timeline (which is technically a new one, since it will lack you, your father and your grandfather beyond the age when you killed him) will then branch out without your father and you, while your "new" timeline (technically your original) will carry on just like before. If you kill your grandfather again the above steps will repeat, ad infinitum. Therefore parallel timelines, if employed correctly, can avoid time paradoxes in a story.

More or less the same applies to information, which is what the show has covered until episode 9. Each time they send a D-mail to the past that creates a new World Line they leave the original (at the first episode, when the first D-mail was sent) and then the previous timelines / world lines behind them. These world lines continue on their own, but apparently there is no way to access them. And only Okabe Rintarou has a way to know the difference, because for reasons yet unknown he retains the memories from *all* the previous timelines.

Sharpedon said:


Therefore the plot, particularly the time travel related plot, is very well crafted, which was frankly a very pleasant and unexpected surprise. The same does not apply to the characters though. I find myself almost constantly frustrated by how criminally irresponsible and reckless they all are - particularly Rintarou, since he's the only one that retains the memories from the other timelines. They, quite incredulously and still without even a hint of an explanation, managed to construct a freaking time travel machine yet they all treat it like a harmless child's toy.

I understand that speaking loudly and recklessly about it in public and accepting blind messages from strangers are plot devices to move the story forward. Nevertheless, that's a very poor way to move the story forward. Rintarou is supposed to be paranoid about the "Organization" yet he implausibly trusts everyone, even spooky women who communicate via text messages even face-to-face whom he knows nothing about. Quite frankly, I never expected to be satisfied so much by the time travel elements of a time travel story and yet be so disappointed by its characters - so far at least. I am a bit of of a time travel nitpicker, so after reading in reviews about how greatly the characters have been developed, I thought the reverse was going to happen...

Soraaaxii said:


And base on the explanation above, so the IBN doesn’t have anything do with their discovery of SERN’s Jellyman experiments? I can’t stop wondering about that after Okabe discovered that they didn’t have the IBN.

SheevPalpatine said:


No, the IBN is not needed at all for the JellyMan reports. The IBN is needed to decypher that cryptic database which is a separate thing from the reports. Re-watch that part with more attention.

Animeman90 said:
This episode is infuriating. For a man as smart as the mad scientist there's no way in hell he would be peer pressured into letting farris send a Dmail without knowing the contents! It could be something that changes the whole planet. This almost makes me not want to continue this anime if they're going to be making such stupidly ignorant decisions causing their own drama and problems as a result SMH. I had hope for this anime :/

xeonite said:
Rewatch here:

I found it absolutely ludicrous that Okabe let Faris send a d-mail 10 years into the past without checking its contents, as if he didn't know that they can alter the past in an unintended and irreversible way.

SheevPalpatine said:


This is what makes Okabe so realistic. He is just an immature teenager after all, who thinks that this is just a game...

AwesomeAli2832 said:
another crazy episode, I wonder what was going on with Kurisu in the beginning with that phone call and then crying in front of Rintarou. Most importantly, the IBN 5100 isn't in their world line which is rather unfortunate, thanks to the butterfly effect, where every D-mail causes one change after another. Feyris' message caused big change again, this time the TV store is gone.