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Jun 17, 2019 1:28 PM
#51
I put 'yes' but with huge caveats. I have quite a lot to say on this subject so it will be tricky to keep this short (I'm trying control my urge to write mini-essays on here lol). [Edit: I FAILED!] Yes they are impressive because they put the effort in to try and take a deep, intellectual look in to the workings of anime. They are serious in their attempt to peel back the layers and see how the various production factors come together to make the work... work. I think there is a level of appreciation for the artform that, while not better than any other form of appreciation, is really interesting and fun to participate in. But... I don't really like most of the actual analysis and the people doing the analysis. It's the pretentiousness. The genre snobbery. The faux high-brow pompousness of many of these personalities and the general mindset they adopt. While I love the attempt to do deep-dive, intellectual analysis, and I engage in the same intellectual masturbation myself all the time, there's too much ego and 'high-mindedness'. I kind of don't believe in the existance of high and low brow in art. All expression is equal in value. Even though there may sometimes be a deeper message or complex themes, I don't think those things have any inherent value over a fun comedy with fan service that has no intention but to make the viewer laugh and be aroused. There is skill in crafting both types of shows and the emotional value that people take away varies too. Take the most-straightfoward, comedic, fan-service-laden action adventure and there will always be some people for whom is has a very dear place in their heart. That's where the value in art is. When it reaches people in a special way that they carry onward in to the rest of their lives. A good example is an anime I'm watching right now: DanMachi. It's not doing anything particularly groundbreaking. It's not got any deep themes really. But it's so damn fun. There's no pretentiousness but it takes itself just seriously enough for me to feel invested in the story while keeping a light-hearted atmosphere. I've having a great time. But what do I get when I look at the MAL reviews? It's a dumpster fire, apparently. One would have to be mentally retarded to enjoy it if you believe what people say about it. I haven't dared look up reviews on YouTube. Too many of these pretentious analytical types also fall in to the trap of valuing pain and suffering as a more legitimate form of artistic expression. I call it the 'Oscars effect'. You notice how many dramas that are barely anything more then emotional torture porn win awards such as Oscars every year? It's as though these people in charge of choosing what is and isn't good in art have a fetish for pain. People see deep meaning in these kinds of shows/movies when there is none. Most of them have no more deep meaning than DanMachi, but happy = low brow apparently. There are many shows which emit an 'aura' of seriousness which makes them seem really deep and meaningful and then people make up that meaning and use big words to justify their interpretation. And, to be honest, that's fine by me. I love it. I do it myself with shows I like all the time. But when they do the reverse to shit on shows... I get the impression that they need to create this high-brow / low-brow dichotomy to elevate the shows they consider worthy above the lesser shows. Got to have 'shitty' shows to point at so your favourites look good right? Look, I'm not saying there aren't bad shows. Attack on Titan is better than Shitcom. I don't know if I'd use the word 'objectively' but 99.9% of people would agree, and words have meaning through concensus. But it's the language people use that gets to me. Looking down on shows because they just want to be fun and don't bother with a theme or deep meaning. It's fine if they want to say those shows don't appeal to them. But their attitude is that they are objectively shit and everyone should agree and if you like them you are dumb. That's the impression I get. So yeah, I like deep analysis. I just wish it could be done without the snobbery and pretentiousness more often. As for individual YouTubers: Glass Reflection actually does a decent job but I was very displeased with his Goblin Slayer video. There are good reasons to not like Goblin Slayer but his argument regarding tonal changes isn't it chief. There have been other times I've been a bit annoyed at his pretention. He is definitely up himself but doesn't come off as an asshole too often. Under the Scope is OK, sometimes. Other times complete pretentious nonsense. Digibro ping pongs back and forth like crazy. He'll make one video where I'm like 'this guy gets it' and then another where he comes off as an asshole. Mother Basement is the epitome of everything I've spoken about in this post. Which is shame because his actual analytical skills are the probably the best of the lot. If you want seriously long deep-dives then I highly recommend Nearly On Red. Older guy, more mild-mannered than most YouTubers. Great videos but I don't watch them anymore because it's just too much lol. I suppose I should mention Gigguk because sometimes does analytical videos and they're OK. My problem with Gigguk is how overproduced all his content is. It's not very YouTube. I would prefer to see him just sitting around talking semi off-the-cuff (very few YouTubers actually talk off-the-cuff 100% but you know what I mean). Also he plays it very safe, unlike my boy Joey who'll happy make a video about how much better subs are than dubs because he speaks his mind. |
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Jun 17, 2019 1:29 PM
#52
Manaban said: HopefulNihilist said: Alright. You're not a hareasser or a bully: you're just...condescending. One who actively seeks conflict. i like this about me so we can agree about that HopefulNihilist said: When your original post is that snarky, condescending, misinformed, of course it's going to result in a flame war. i still heavily contest the "misinformed" bit because i'm still totally right about the way you carried out making this thread at the end of the day and you've done nothing to disprove as much HopefulNihilist said: You haven't said anything related to the topic thread in your original post. You still haven't answered why you appeared in this thread. i'm frequently present in many anituber related threads, if you'd ever take a look, many of which have nothing to do with you as for the post, the way the OP was handled warranted some snark imo - for shit that i've already explained my position on in reaction to your stated self-defense several times in my responses to you in, i should probably note - and the only reason it escalated like it did was because of your attempts at publicly accusing me of harassing and bullying you and trying to portray me as mentally unstable, which i am going to deny on the basis that you're full of shit about that HopefulNihilist said: You're not here to discuss: you're here to provoke me. Annnnnnnd we've gone full circle again. Back to the "You only exist in threads like this to make me mad!" rhetoric once more. I've already explained myself and my intentions pretty thoroughly and in a way I'm more than satisfied with. Take it or leave it, I'm not interested in wasting my time entertaining your delusions about my intent towards you any further. Ciao, spotty. You haven't answered my question: why do you deny I made this thread as an idea that sprung from a conversation? Why are you trying to create a narrative where I make threads purely to respond to others? Nobody else thinks that's my intention. |
Jun 17, 2019 1:34 PM
#53
Lunilah said: Ah. Well I do have some movies that I really like, and I do think about why I enjoy them, though the way I think about that might not be the kind of analysis you're speaking of.GlennMagusHarvey said: I was just saying that since you rarely watch films, the motivation to even go into film analysis would have to be one that is purely analytical and that would be incredibly boring. But if you watch a movie in future that you specifically really enjoy, take up the opportunity to deep dive into analysis of it.Lunilah said: GlennMagusHarvey said: Well if you rarely watch films i guess the motivation would have to purely be analytical, which sounds quite boring. If an opportunity presents itself definitely take advantage of it.Lunilah said: There's an essentially endless number of ways to analyze something, but I'm not familiar with the way literary/film critique does its analysis, so I can't speak for how interested I'd be in in that particular perspective, nor can I make a good comparison. (I rarely even watch films themselves.)GlennMagusHarvey said: There is quite a lot of overlap, if not short of entirely, with the core of film critique and other mediums like anime, it's just another form of the same thing. If you're really into the process of analysis you'd probably come up with better and more concise opinions than those you look for from most anitubers if you deep dive into film analysis, assuming you haven't already done that.HopefulNihilist said: I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't consider literary/film critics to be particularly interesting or worth my attention either.why don't many people find anitubers' anime analysis to be impressive? [...] I think my real question is: what makes literary and film critics better than anime analysis's? Ironically I probably have seen more anime analysis than literature/film analysis, solely because I've looked for more opinions on anime than opinions on literature/film. But I also pick and choose. I'm not sure I understand you, sorry. |
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Jun 17, 2019 1:40 PM
#54
@HopefulNihilist and getting in to protracted, laborious, angry back-and-forths with people. Name a more iconic duo. (inb4 YossaRedMage and getting in to protracted, laborious angry back-and-froths with people.) |
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Jun 17, 2019 1:45 PM
#55
Because I'm not looking for "analysis" (wouldn't matter because they're not that great). What I'm looking for is for someone who actually knows about animation, the technical process behind it, get interviews and whatnot. Which sadly these guys barely talk about, or if they do it's very surface level. I guess "analysis" is the thing that's in right now... |
CabronJun 17, 2019 1:51 PM
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Jun 17, 2019 1:50 PM
#56
GlennMagusHarvey said: In the context of this thread the analysis i'm thinking of are things that probably weren't intentional like the philosophy of characters and message of a story, thematic and historic references, basically interesting takes on deep aspects of a story. Lunilah said: Ah. Well I do have some movies that I really like, and I do think about why I enjoy them, though the way I think about that might not be the kind of analysis you're speaking of.GlennMagusHarvey said: Lunilah said: ?GlennMagusHarvey said: Well if you rarely watch films i guess the motivation would have to purely be analytical, which sounds quite boring. If an opportunity presents itself definitely take advantage of it.Lunilah said: There's an essentially endless number of ways to analyze something, but I'm not familiar with the way literary/film critique does its analysis, so I can't speak for how interested I'd be in in that particular perspective, nor can I make a good comparison. (I rarely even watch films themselves.)GlennMagusHarvey said: There is quite a lot of overlap, if not short of entirely, with the core of film critique and other mediums like anime, it's just another form of the same thing. If you're really into the process of analysis you'd probably come up with better and more concise opinions than those you look for from most anitubers if you deep dive into film analysis, assuming you haven't already done that.HopefulNihilist said: I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't consider literary/film critics to be particularly interesting or worth my attention either.why don't many people find anitubers' anime analysis to be impressive? [...] I think my real question is: what makes literary and film critics better than anime analysis's? Ironically I probably have seen more anime analysis than literature/film analysis, solely because I've looked for more opinions on anime than opinions on literature/film. But I also pick and choose. I'm not sure I understand you, sorry. |
Jun 17, 2019 2:00 PM
#57
Some of these guys are probably letting their own personal biases influence their analysis which would make them lean more towards opinion than fact. This is just an assumption since I don't watch anitubers. I mean, I'd rather watch something and judge it myself than sit through a lengthy video of some guy explaining why I shouldn't watch something because he thinks it's shit. Yes, I realize the anime would be longer than the video, but that doesn't change my statement. I'll stick to watching video game analysis videos. At least those will point out flaws that stop me from wasting money on broken games. |
Jun 18, 2019 1:50 AM
#58
HopefulNihilist said: Maybe it was done before but it gave me yet another perspective on Fate/ZeroKuraya said: Personally speaking there are many video analysis that impressed me. A recent one would be: https://youtu.be/61Kh28P2Pgk I can't say how low this situates when compared to criticism in film or literature, I don't have enough experience on that yet. I think I watched that video before, and I don't think I was too impressed by it: I remember the video maker was basically just comparing Fate/Zero to a Greek tragedy, which I think was done before. |
Jun 18, 2019 1:53 AM
#59
"Why do people say anime analysis's aren't impressive?" Because for example I am usually not impressed. Have read some literature and movie analysis (the therm is synthesis of analysis because the actual analysis wouldn't fit in such short form) and they go way deeper and substantial. The usual anime analysis goes too shallow, too one sided and suggests too much without actual proofs. Not sure why is so. Maybe serious critics are not interested in anime. Those few who are go only with the Ghibli movies (and tend to misinterpret the japanese context because they are usually not familiar with it). On the other hand maybe I don't know where to find those critics. The anitubers come as almost a parody...especially Digi who sometimes makes stuff up just to prove his hypotheses. Also they are forced to use shorter simplified format + flashy titles and themes to gather more watchers. They can't afford to go too deeper or geekier - people would get borred. |
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Jun 18, 2019 3:03 AM
#60
Greyleaf said: desusama said: On a more serious note it's usually because of the stigma of anime not being considered "intelligent" enough to analyze. Most people are either in the "lol Chinesee cartoons" or the "lemme just watch my shows and have a good time" camps so they don't put much value into anime analysis. This is honestly a bit sad to me. As someone who did a bit of film criticism in college, once I began watching anime more frequently a few years back I realized that it has much more artistic merit as a medium at large than anyone ever seems to give it credit for. Animation itself is a far more versatile medium than live-action, especially when it comes to symbolic imagery. So yeah, the people out there who think that way are just closed-minded or conditioned to false beliefs. And no, I'm not saying that symbolism or analyses are important to everyone, or that everyone cares enough to research into things that way, but it blows my mind that some people would outright disregard the true masterpieces out there as intelligent works. I agree with that. The reason why animation has received less critical attention and why anime criticism tends not to be as sophisticated as film or literary criticism is largely sociological, rather than ontological (pertaining to the inherent nature of the medium). |
Jun 18, 2019 3:29 AM
#61
84DaysWithout said: HopefulNihilist said: 84DaysWithout said: >And so on. I think my real question is: what makes literary and film critics better than anime analysis? In terms of literature we have rigorous academic programs that specifically teach us how to analyze and grant access to an enormous database of journals that can be used as sources. Most great literary criticism is from scholars with post graduate degrees that they use to explore a work in a specific context. There is no such thing for anime that I know of, at least in the West where I think we're limited in comparison to Japan, and you can create a well received video without needing as much research as you do to explore a novel using a specific approach. Digibro in the past has complained about not being privy to the wealth of information that college institutions have that could assist his knowledge, and he does have a lot of videos where his opinion overrides the amount of objective research he puts into a video. Literary criticism is also verrrrry old, whereas anime criticism is comparably new. Literature is also less accessible than visual media, so I'd guess the people who actually commit hours of their time to read are more likely to form concise takeaways. Okay, that's something I haven't thought of: how literary critics receive actual academic teachings. But what do those academic teachings teach that anitubers aren't aware of? Citing all sources, using specific theories/critical approaches to examine literature through (i.e feminism, post structural, postmodernism), just having access to a wealth of trusted information that is locked behind a subscription or some university privilege, receiving constructive criticism to improve rather than having to filter the online trolls for good advice I wouldn't say anitubers are unaware of these things. But they just don't have to follow these rules to produce well received videos whereas in academia you have to meet all sorts of guidelines before a paper is publishable. You can also say nothing of unique value in an anime video and still be well received because of great editing. IIRC Digibro complained about this in his "shit talking anitubers" rant Agree. Though I would prefer to say "theoretical thinking" rather than "using theory", because a lot of junk can be also produced by people who applying theory on a text in a mechanical way, without internalising those theoretical ideas. In my opinion theory is really just metacriticism, ie. critically examination of the activity of criticism. For example, I have seen quite a few of anime criticism that tries to break down a show into a certain number of themes or "messages", which is a common approach amongst them if they want to be "philosophical", but the question that is never dealt with is on a meta-level: what is the point of rewriting the whole show through a set of thematic keywords? Why is that not enough to let the show speaks for itself? Such a question would lead us to the theoretical debates between hermeneutics and anti-hermeneutics. A training in theoretical thinking makes you a more self-aware critics. You would have a better understanding of what you're doing and why, and such a self-understanding would have an affect on your writing even though you're not explicitly applying any theory. |
Jun 18, 2019 3:39 AM
#62
HopefulNihilist said: could someone please give an example, like, I dunno, a comparison between how an anituber analyzes a fictional media, vs a film/literary critic who's been trained? I have already given an example: David Bordwell. A highly respected film scholar. http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/ Just look up to his blog posts and see whether he has done analysis on something you've watched. A lot of his works focus on arthouse cinema and the older films but he has also done works on Christopher Nolan. He is an old school formalist so his work is usually written in a very approach language without too much theoretical jargons. |
Jun 18, 2019 3:52 AM
#63
jal90 said: raisin-kun said: I should add for @jal90 that there are groups like Sakugablog who analyze anime who take the context of the anime's creation into account and have direct connections to the industry itself without being shillers for major western production companies. Would you put those types on the same level as anitubers? Not at all, of course. Sakugablog is heavy in research. I don't particularly enjoy their analysis though because they are production notes more than anything, but they are a very reliable source for that and they go into them pretty thoroughly which is great if you are into that aspect of anime analysis. Yeah. Mostly their commentary on sakuga comes down to the facts/speculation behind it and simply pointing out what the good scenes are. I really appreciate Sakugablog though. They are amongst the very few anime critics who know what they are saying when it comes to sakuga. |
Jun 18, 2019 3:57 AM
#64
Cabron said: Because I'm not looking for "analysis" (wouldn't matter because they're not that great). What I'm looking for is for someone who actually knows about animation, the technical process behind it, get interviews and whatnot. Which sadly these guys barely talk about, or if they do it's very surface level. I guess "analysis" is the thing that's in right now... You're looking for Sakugablog. (filling words count |
Jun 18, 2019 4:14 AM
#65
I feel there's a huge misconception between "analysis" and "review", so I'd like to clear this out : - If it tries to say "this is good" or "this is bad", it's not an analysis, it's a review. That doesn't need any specific knowledge, as everyone likes or dislikes everything for various reasons. Being more knowledgeable on the matter doesn't make my opinion better. It just makes me see the stuff in a different way. That means any video with a title like "This anime SUCKS" is nothing but a review, an opinion. - If it takes elements of the show (the animation, the themes it develops, ...) and talks about it in an objective way (i.e giving facts about the way it was done, the reasons it was done this way, the importance to the story, ........), it's an analysis. For that, being an academic... doesn't matter that much either, actually. It makes it easier to say relevant stuff for sure, but even without "studying anime" you can talk about what you understand of it in a relevant way. Hell, I don't study music but I can still hear a lazy composition when I hear one. That being cleared out... I don't understand the question, because I don't feel anime analysis are any better or worse than any other analysis. It's the exact same, in fact. It's just rare because less people are into anime than into movies. And also because anime is not american, so it's not as widespread as Hollywood movies xD. But I often run across very interesting stuff about anime. - One day I ran across a topic where someone explained the Geass (from Code Geass, duh) originated from the Geis, an irish myth. The topic ran through the various similarities between the Geass and the Geis (the obvious one being the name). - Recently I came onto an article about the anime production of Kyoto Animation studio. Hell, I still have it in my history so I'll share the link (it's French though, so if you don't understand it... try Google Translate xD) : https://japan-vrac.fr/hta-kyoto-animation/ It taught me that KyoAni are their own editor, which allows them to cut the edition fees. That article is the one that made me realize how "decentralized" anime production usually is. KyoAni, on the other hand, does its best to make internal projects, allowing for a better quality control. And it does show, compared to Toei or JC Staff (for example). - I also ran onto an analysis of Your Name talking about the confrontation between modern japanese culture and conservative culture through the movie. I hate the movie, but that was a really good point, considering this confrontation is actually real. - I also read a lot of very interesting analysis about Koe no Katachi. This movie is a diamond for analysts! . One of the recurring points about this movie is the author's "flower language". It often shows pictures of flowers, which are purely symbolic (apparently flowers have a meaning). . I also often see topics about how accurately it represents middle school life. So... yeah, I really don't see anything wrong. It's one of these situations where we try to put cases where there's none. There is no "movie analysis" on a side and "anime analysis" on the other side... An analysis is an analysis, and it can be done in a relevant way... or not. With all that said, congrats if you read through everything, and have a good day :) . |
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Jun 18, 2019 5:03 AM
#67
Neither anime nor film/literature analysis are impressive. Remember, film critics themselves are losing job. The Economics of Movie Reviews, or Why So Many Film Critics Continue to Lose Their Jobs http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/the-economics-of-movie-reviews-or-why-so-many-film-critics-continue-to-lose-their-jobs.php Quality is subjective thing when it comes entertainment. |
Jun 18, 2019 6:25 AM
#68
Only people who find their analysis impressive are edgy teenagers and even they are not fooled anymore. |
Jun 18, 2019 6:27 AM
#69
>Critical analysis >Anime Pick one. |
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Jun 18, 2019 6:32 AM
#70
Optigisa said: Digibro makes the only interesting analysis Don't make me laugh.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 He contradicts him self quite a lot, and unless supporting pedophilia is counting as good analysis hes videos are crap. What digibro considers normal Digibros contradictions |
Jun 18, 2019 6:38 AM
#71
CHC said: Sakugablog is pretty good, I like to check it every now and then.Cabron said: Because I'm not looking for "analysis" (wouldn't matter because they're not that great). What I'm looking for is for someone who actually knows about animation, the technical process behind it, get interviews and whatnot. Which sadly these guys barely talk about, or if they do it's very surface level. I guess "analysis" is the thing that's in right now... You're looking for Sakugablog. (filling words count But a blog/website can only do so much, that's where videos come in. |
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Jun 18, 2019 7:07 AM
#72
AncapAnimeGod said: Optigisa said: Digibro makes the only interesting analysis Don't make me laugh.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 He contradicts him self quite a lot, and unless supporting pedophilia is counting as good analysis hes videos are crap. What digibro considers normal Digibros contradictions You actually take ThatAnimeSnob's opinions seriously. You are dismissed and this conversation is officially over. Have a good day. |
Jun 18, 2019 7:24 AM
#73
Optigisa said: AncapAnimeGod said: Optigisa said: Digibro makes the only interesting analysis Don't make me laugh.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 He contradicts him self quite a lot, and unless supporting pedophilia is counting as good analysis hes videos are crap. What digibro considers normal Digibros contradictions You actually take ThatAnimeSnob's opinions seriously. You are dismissed and this conversation is officially over. Have a good day. Awww did I hurt you precious feefees This is pretty much Digibro debunking him self anime snob didn't even said a word in those videos and no I don't take him seriously. And since you can't refute anything you runaway how sad. But Then again It was my mistake to expect any critical thinking from someone who believes that Serial Experiments Lain(The most pretentious Slice of Nothing) anime is a pinnacle of the medium. |
AncapAnimeGodJun 18, 2019 7:33 AM
Jun 18, 2019 7:38 AM
#74
Cabron said: CHC said: Sakugablog is pretty good, I like to check it every now and then.Cabron said: Because I'm not looking for "analysis" (wouldn't matter because they're not that great). What I'm looking for is for someone who actually knows about animation, the technical process behind it, get interviews and whatnot. Which sadly these guys barely talk about, or if they do it's very surface level. I guess "analysis" is the thing that's in right now... You're looking for Sakugablog. (filling words count But a blog/website can only do so much, that's where videos come in. canipa effect? (filling words count |
Jun 18, 2019 7:46 AM
#75
I think most analyses of anything are just fluff. in the same way that people can analyse a blank canvas and make up 1000s of meanings for it, people can do that with anime. And thats what analysis ends up being most of the time. A bunch of made up nonsense totally subjective to the experience of whoever is doin the analysis - that can easily turn out simple minded or chalked full of brain dead philosophy. doesnt mean there is absolutely no value in analysis, but it does mean that sometimes there is no real value. the worst is that you get nerd losers like digibro who think they are better than others and "deeper" than others because they like to infer meaning where there might not be any. |
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Jun 18, 2019 7:53 AM
#76
Because most anime fans are dumb, and because people know absolutely nothing about the technical aspects of animation/production, and probably even less about the industry itself and how it actually fits into Japanese culture. (not that I know a lot of these things, but if I'm going to read/watch someone's 'analysis' I think they should be more informed than I am). Also, analysis tends to focus more on narrative than visual imagery and movement and stuff like that because most of what a critic knows does not go beyond what you can find in a high school literature class. I think a lot of times, a critic will focus so much on one little thing and then mistakenly follow that thought into the abyss of self-deception, that they end upmissing out on more obvious and meaningful ideas. For anitube videos specifically, arguments are so carefully made, and so highly dependent on the context of the video itself, that if the viewer even thinks a little bit, the meaning of the video collapses immediately into nothing. And finally, no critics are going to analyse/review the random anime that I think deserve it. |
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Jun 18, 2019 7:58 AM
#77
CHC said: HopefulNihilist said: could someone please give an example, like, I dunno, a comparison between how an anituber analyzes a fictional media, vs a film/literary critic who's been trained? I have already given an example: David Bordwell. A highly respected film scholar. http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/ Just look up to his blog posts and see whether he has done analysis on something you've watched. A lot of his works focus on arthouse cinema and the older films but he has also done works on Christopher Nolan. He is an old school formalist so his work is usually written in a very approach language without too much theoretical jargons. I'm sorry, I meant like a source, a link. But you're right, listing a critic should've been enough: I could've just looked up that critic myself. @AncapAnimeGod ThatAnimeSnob is known to take what others say out of context and twist them around. |
Jun 18, 2019 9:45 AM
#78
HopefulNihilist said: CHC said: HopefulNihilist said: could someone please give an example, like, I dunno, a comparison between how an anituber analyzes a fictional media, vs a film/literary critic who's been trained? I have already given an example: David Bordwell. A highly respected film scholar. http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/ Just look up to his blog posts and see whether he has done analysis on something you've watched. A lot of his works focus on arthouse cinema and the older films but he has also done works on Christopher Nolan. He is an old school formalist so his work is usually written in a very approach language without too much theoretical jargons. I'm sorry, I meant like a source, a link. But you're right, listing a critic should've been enough: I could've just looked up that critic myself. @AncapAnimeGod ThatAnimeSnob is known to take what others say out of context and twist them around. Don't take him seriously. This is his alt account and he's pretty much desperate for attention at this point (Hence, why he targeted me specifically) |
Jun 18, 2019 9:56 AM
#79
First of all, there's a whole world of anime analysis outside of Youtube. Hardly are a bunch of Youtubers all of it. Also, I don't understand why segment criticism like that; many of the same principles apply to both live action films and anime. Watch Every Frame's Painting's videos on Wolf Children. Second, wondering why a random on Youtube isn't giving the insights of Derrida is just a bit silly. I, for one, think you're analysis can be impressive even if you're not the greatest thinker of our time. Of course, it goes without saying that not all non-anime criticism is as good as the best of the Western Canon. That said, none of the people he name drops could hope to give me better insights into anime than, say, The Canipa Effect, which is to say that there's more to it than the script. |
Jun 18, 2019 11:34 AM
#80
Optigisa said: HopefulNihilist said: CHC said: HopefulNihilist said: could someone please give an example, like, I dunno, a comparison between how an anituber analyzes a fictional media, vs a film/literary critic who's been trained? I have already given an example: David Bordwell. A highly respected film scholar. http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/ Just look up to his blog posts and see whether he has done analysis on something you've watched. A lot of his works focus on arthouse cinema and the older films but he has also done works on Christopher Nolan. He is an old school formalist so his work is usually written in a very approach language without too much theoretical jargons. I'm sorry, I meant like a source, a link. But you're right, listing a critic should've been enough: I could've just looked up that critic myself. @AncapAnimeGod ThatAnimeSnob is known to take what others say out of context and twist them around. Don't take him seriously. This is his alt account and he's pretty much desperate for attention at this point (Hence, why he targeted me specifically) Low IQ copeout. If you believe that I'am in the wrong why not debunked my arguments instead of screeching that I am a troll and doing it for attention. I guess that in your eyes anyone who uses reason and logic to debunked your poor arguments is a troll who seeks attention. And as for Digibro: Even crunchyroll terminated his partnership cause he supported openly lolihentai(pedophilia) This is his video where he does just that: And this is bobsamurai video where he explains the problem with sexualization of lolis |
Jun 18, 2019 11:46 AM
#81
AncapAnimeGod said: Your arguments are animesnob videos lolOptigisa said: HopefulNihilist said: CHC said: HopefulNihilist said: could someone please give an example, like, I dunno, a comparison between how an anituber analyzes a fictional media, vs a film/literary critic who's been trained? I have already given an example: David Bordwell. A highly respected film scholar. http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/ Just look up to his blog posts and see whether he has done analysis on something you've watched. A lot of his works focus on arthouse cinema and the older films but he has also done works on Christopher Nolan. He is an old school formalist so his work is usually written in a very approach language without too much theoretical jargons. I'm sorry, I meant like a source, a link. But you're right, listing a critic should've been enough: I could've just looked up that critic myself. @AncapAnimeGod ThatAnimeSnob is known to take what others say out of context and twist them around. Don't take him seriously. This is his alt account and he's pretty much desperate for attention at this point (Hence, why he targeted me specifically) Low IQ copeout. If you believe that I'am in the wrong why not debunked my arguments instead of screeching that I am a troll and doing it for attention. I guess that in your eyes anyone who uses reason and logic to debunked your poor arguments is a troll who seeks attention. And as for Digibro: Even crunchyroll terminated his partnership cause he supported openly lolihentai(pedophilia) This is his video where he does just that: And this is bobsamurai video where he explains the problem with sexualization of lolis |
poop |
Jun 18, 2019 11:49 AM
#82
Esquirtit said: AncapAnimeGod said: Your arguments are animesnob videos lolOptigisa said: HopefulNihilist said: CHC said: HopefulNihilist said: could someone please give an example, like, I dunno, a comparison between how an anituber analyzes a fictional media, vs a film/literary critic who's been trained? I have already given an example: David Bordwell. A highly respected film scholar. http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/ Just look up to his blog posts and see whether he has done analysis on something you've watched. A lot of his works focus on arthouse cinema and the older films but he has also done works on Christopher Nolan. He is an old school formalist so his work is usually written in a very approach language without too much theoretical jargons. I'm sorry, I meant like a source, a link. But you're right, listing a critic should've been enough: I could've just looked up that critic myself. @AncapAnimeGod ThatAnimeSnob is known to take what others say out of context and twist them around. Don't take him seriously. This is his alt account and he's pretty much desperate for attention at this point (Hence, why he targeted me specifically) Low IQ copeout. If you believe that I'am in the wrong why not debunked my arguments instead of screeching that I am a troll and doing it for attention. I guess that in your eyes anyone who uses reason and logic to debunked your poor arguments is a troll who seeks attention. And as for Digibro: Even crunchyroll terminated his partnership cause he supported openly lolihentai(pedophilia) This is his video where he does just that: And this is bobsamurai video where he explains the problem with sexualization of lolis Are you blind? Those videos are from digibro and bobsamurai |
Jun 18, 2019 11:52 AM
#83
AncapAnimeGod said: I meant your other post where you posted 2 vids. I'm not going to watch bobsamurai. And I've already seen that digibro vid and he makes clear he isnt a pedophile soEsquirtit said: AncapAnimeGod said: Optigisa said: HopefulNihilist said: CHC said: HopefulNihilist said: could someone please give an example, like, I dunno, a comparison between how an anituber analyzes a fictional media, vs a film/literary critic who's been trained? I have already given an example: David Bordwell. A highly respected film scholar. http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/ Just look up to his blog posts and see whether he has done analysis on something you've watched. A lot of his works focus on arthouse cinema and the older films but he has also done works on Christopher Nolan. He is an old school formalist so his work is usually written in a very approach language without too much theoretical jargons. I'm sorry, I meant like a source, a link. But you're right, listing a critic should've been enough: I could've just looked up that critic myself. @AncapAnimeGod ThatAnimeSnob is known to take what others say out of context and twist them around. Don't take him seriously. This is his alt account and he's pretty much desperate for attention at this point (Hence, why he targeted me specifically) Low IQ copeout. If you believe that I'am in the wrong why not debunked my arguments instead of screeching that I am a troll and doing it for attention. I guess that in your eyes anyone who uses reason and logic to debunked your poor arguments is a troll who seeks attention. And as for Digibro: Even crunchyroll terminated his partnership cause he supported openly lolihentai(pedophilia) This is his video where he does just that: And this is bobsamurai video where he explains the problem with sexualization of lolis Are you blind? Those videos are from digibro and bobsamurai |
poop |
Jun 18, 2019 12:04 PM
#84
Esquirtit said: AncapAnimeGod said: I meant your other post where you posted 2 vids. I'm not going to watch bobsamurai. And I've already seen that digibro vid and he makes clear he isnt a pedophile soEsquirtit said: AncapAnimeGod said: Your arguments are animesnob videos lolOptigisa said: HopefulNihilist said: CHC said: HopefulNihilist said: could someone please give an example, like, I dunno, a comparison between how an anituber analyzes a fictional media, vs a film/literary critic who's been trained? I have already given an example: David Bordwell. A highly respected film scholar. http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/ Just look up to his blog posts and see whether he has done analysis on something you've watched. A lot of his works focus on arthouse cinema and the older films but he has also done works on Christopher Nolan. He is an old school formalist so his work is usually written in a very approach language without too much theoretical jargons. I'm sorry, I meant like a source, a link. But you're right, listing a critic should've been enough: I could've just looked up that critic myself. @AncapAnimeGod ThatAnimeSnob is known to take what others say out of context and twist them around. Don't take him seriously. This is his alt account and he's pretty much desperate for attention at this point (Hence, why he targeted me specifically) Low IQ copeout. If you believe that I'am in the wrong why not debunked my arguments instead of screeching that I am a troll and doing it for attention. I guess that in your eyes anyone who uses reason and logic to debunked your poor arguments is a troll who seeks attention. And as for Digibro: Even crunchyroll terminated his partnership cause he supported openly lolihentai(pedophilia) This is his video where he does just that: And this is bobsamurai video where he explains the problem with sexualization of lolis Are you blind? Those videos are from digibro and bobsamurai Your committing Logical fallacy Character Assassination http://www.seekfind.net/Logical_Fallacy_of_Abusive_Ad_Hominem__Character_Assassination__Smear_Campaign__Throwing_Stones.html Instead of saying that those ThatAnimeSnob's videos are bad because he maid them how about refuting what's in them. And the fact that you haven't watched videos that I provided or explained why digibro is in the right means that you lost the debate better luck next time. |
Jun 18, 2019 12:05 PM
#85
lol... if you see an analyst is also a human not a bot who give 99.9% exact true and relevant info...they also put statement according to their taste and bunch of regulations,procedure n yeah market also plays important role here ! hypersweats swinging between yes or no is headache |
Jun 18, 2019 12:06 PM
#86
CHC said: Cabron said: CHC said: Cabron said: Because I'm not looking for "analysis" (wouldn't matter because they're not that great). What I'm looking for is for someone who actually knows about animation, the technical process behind it, get interviews and whatnot. Which sadly these guys barely talk about, or if they do it's very surface level. I guess "analysis" is the thing that's in right now... You're looking for Sakugablog. (filling words count But a blog/website can only do so much, that's where videos come in. canipa effect?t and @Cabron May I also suggest Shabu, That Music Nerd in regards to anime music analysis on youtube? This channel is done by someone who worked in the music industry for a few years now, and you don't even need to know anything about music professionally in order to understand his videos. He has less than 1K subs-- shame how overlooked this channel is. This is my favorite video of his: |
Jun 18, 2019 12:37 PM
#87
AncapAnimeGod said: Fuck now I feel totally owned.Esquirtit said: AncapAnimeGod said: Esquirtit said: AncapAnimeGod said: Your arguments are animesnob videos lolOptigisa said: HopefulNihilist said: CHC said: HopefulNihilist said: could someone please give an example, like, I dunno, a comparison between how an anituber analyzes a fictional media, vs a film/literary critic who's been trained? I have already given an example: David Bordwell. A highly respected film scholar. http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/ Just look up to his blog posts and see whether he has done analysis on something you've watched. A lot of his works focus on arthouse cinema and the older films but he has also done works on Christopher Nolan. He is an old school formalist so his work is usually written in a very approach language without too much theoretical jargons. I'm sorry, I meant like a source, a link. But you're right, listing a critic should've been enough: I could've just looked up that critic myself. @AncapAnimeGod ThatAnimeSnob is known to take what others say out of context and twist them around. Don't take him seriously. This is his alt account and he's pretty much desperate for attention at this point (Hence, why he targeted me specifically) Low IQ copeout. If you believe that I'am in the wrong why not debunked my arguments instead of screeching that I am a troll and doing it for attention. I guess that in your eyes anyone who uses reason and logic to debunked your poor arguments is a troll who seeks attention. And as for Digibro: Even crunchyroll terminated his partnership cause he supported openly lolihentai(pedophilia) This is his video where he does just that: And this is bobsamurai video where he explains the problem with sexualization of lolis Are you blind? Those videos are from digibro and bobsamurai Your committing Logical fallacy Character Assassination http://www.seekfind.net/Logical_Fallacy_of_Abusive_Ad_Hominem__Character_Assassination__Smear_Campaign__Throwing_Stones.html Instead of saying that those ThatAnimeSnob's videos are bad because he maid them how about refuting what's in them. And the fact that you haven't watched videos that I provided or explained why digibro is in the right means that you lost the debate better luck next time. Those vids from animesnob don't say anything about digibro's analysis videos, and neither does that vid from bobsamurai, which isn't even about digibro judging from the title but about lolis in anime. Not really anything interesting and not worthy of being called arguments against digibro's way of analyzing anime. What does digibro and his fetish for lolis even have to do with all of this, you're all over the place I made fun of "your" arguments because they are vids from someone else so why are you saying debunk "my argument" I don't need to know bobsamurais opinion on lolis to know if digibro is wrong or not. You're crazy |
poop |
Jun 18, 2019 1:09 PM
#88
KindUnicorn said: Most of everything sucks, it's Sturgeon's Law. OP named a few good anime critics.Most analysis videos are more about pseudo-intellectualism then actual analysis like flower symbolism |
Jun 18, 2019 1:26 PM
#89
AncapAnimeGod said: And as for Digibro: Even crunchyroll terminated his partnership cause he supported openly lolihentai(pedophilia) This is his video where he does just that: Really? What hypocrites if that's true, THEY HOST that loli content and other taboo things such as anime incest(which means they paid the creators of such things to require the right to host it and are continuing to do so). Who are they to remove him because he enjoys the content they gave to him? https://www.crunchyroll.com/oreimo https://www.crunchyroll.com/no-game-no-life https://www.crunchyroll.com/diabolik-lovers https://www.crunchyroll.com/citrus |
Jun 18, 2019 1:57 PM
#90
Peaceful_Critic said: AncapAnimeGod said: And as for Digibro: Even crunchyroll terminated his partnership cause he supported openly lolihentai(pedophilia) This is his video where he does just that: Really? What hypocrites if that's true, THEY HOST that loli content and other taboo things such as anime incest(which meant they paid the creators of such things and are continuing to do so). Who are they to remove him because he enjoys the content they gave to him? https://www.crunchyroll.com/oreimo https://www.crunchyroll.com/no-game-no-life https://www.crunchyroll.com/diabolik-lovers https://www.crunchyroll.com/citrus Pretty sure crunchyroll doesn't have a loli hentai And while those anime are problematic they are not on the same level as loli hentai which digibro supports and watches. And as for sexualization of lolis just think about this for a second here put your self in their mind these are created by adults and these adults are creating characters which have demonstrable features which are comparable to children and they're putting them in sexual scenarios. Why because they're doing this to arouse other children or other adults so you have an adult who's trying to arouse a child or you have an adult that's trying to arouse an adult with a child do I even need to explain how fucked up this is. And as for crunchyroll yes I agree they are being somewhat hypocritical. They need to practice what they preach. |
Jun 18, 2019 2:10 PM
#91
AncapAnimeGod said: I didn't say anything about my opinion on lolis, just that Crunchyroll hosts loli content which sexualizes anime children among other taboo things. They ARE being hypocrites(not somewhat) even if they don't host more extreme content of said taboo, they are still supporting it with THEIR MONEY and exposing it through translations.Peaceful_Critic said: AncapAnimeGod said: And as for Digibro: Even crunchyroll terminated his partnership cause he supported openly lolihentai(pedophilia) This is his video where he does just that: Really? What hypocrites if that's true, THEY HOST that loli content and other taboo things such as anime incest(which meant they paid the creators of such things and are continuing to do so). Who are they to remove him because he enjoys the content they gave to him? https://www.crunchyroll.com/oreimo https://www.crunchyroll.com/no-game-no-life https://www.crunchyroll.com/diabolik-lovers https://www.crunchyroll.com/citrus Pretty sure crunchyroll doesn't have a loli hentai And while those anime are problematic they are not on the same level as loli hentai which digibro supports and watches. And as for sexualization of lolis just think about this for a second here put your self in their mind these are created by adults and these adults are creating characters which have demonstrable features which are comparable to children and they're putting them in sexual scenarios. Why because they're doing this to arouse other children or other adults so you have an adult who's trying to arouse a child or you have an adult that's trying to arouse an adult with a child do I even need to explain how fucked up this is. And as for crunchyroll yes I agree they are being somewhat hypocritical. They need to practice what they preach. |
Jun 18, 2019 4:14 PM
#92
Aldnox said: KindUnicorn said: Most of everything sucks, it's Sturgeon's Law. OP named a few good anime critics.Most analysis videos are more about pseudo-intellectualism then actual analysis like flower symbolism Yes I agree with you. There are definitely youtubers that do good anime videos like Digibro, MudanTV, Manime Matt, Explanation Point, The Cartoon Cipher, Anime Everyday, and there are probably others that i forgot to mention. Even youtubers like Mother' basement and Pedantic Romantic make descent content even if I don't always agree with them. The youtubers that I really don't like are chibi and 4neverworld cause they hype things and spread misinformation. And then there are elitist youtubers like thatanimesnob who spreads hatred and negativity all the time, he basically hates all modern anime. I'am really surprised that he still has the fanbase after all the crap he pulled. The only good videos he ever made are few meme videos like flower symbolism. I wouldn't even heard of him if not for that whole chibi controversy, and I still wish i haven't. |
Jun 18, 2019 7:52 PM
#93
KindUnicorn said: From digibrony to PedRo have spread misinformation as well.Aldnox said: KindUnicorn said: Most analysis videos are more about pseudo-intellectualism then actual analysis like flower symbolism Yes I agree with you. There are definitely youtubers that do good anime videos like Digibro, MudanTV, Manime Matt, Explanation Point, The Cartoon Cipher, Anime Everyday, and there are probably others that i forgot to mention. Even youtubers like Mother' basement and Pedantic Romantic make descent content even if I don't always agree with them. The youtubers that I really don't like are chibi and 4neverworld cause they hype things and spread misinformation. And then there are elitist youtubers like thatanimesnob who spreads hatred and negativity all the time, he basically hates all modern anime. I'am really surprised that he still has the fanbase after all the crap he pulled. The only good videos he ever made are few meme videos like flower symbolism. I wouldn't even heard of him if not for that whole chibi controversy, and I still wish i haven't. Agreed about chibi and 4never. >And then there are elitist youtubers like thatanimesnob who spreads hatred and negativity all the time, he basically hates all modern anime. >he basically hates all modern anime I'm not even a fan of the guy but come on, that isn't true. Yes he doesn't like modern anime but not all of it. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
Jun 18, 2019 9:52 PM
#94
Impressive? Sure. The amount of thought that goes into SOME of them are astonishing. Does that make them enjoyable to watch? Hell no. They're boring as fuck lmao. Most of them are just people talking over anime footage. I agree with everything that Under the Scope says about Kara no Kyoukai in his review/analysis, but that doesn't stop me from falling asleep whenever I hear that voice of his. Same can be said about GoatJesus and his reviews on Tatami Galaxy and Texhnolyze. TLDR: Would much rather read a written analysis rather than hear someone's monotone voice. |
Jun 18, 2019 11:23 PM
#95
That's because everything that comes out of these Youtuber's mouths is garbage. Digibro isn't an expert: he's a fucking idiot who thinks that analyzing anime makes him look smart. What these dumbasses do is just elitist-ism. A lot of what is said just makes no sense. Not everything needs to be analyzed because thats when you get retards like Digibro |
warning this idiot is a professional retard |
Jun 19, 2019 5:52 AM
#96
I don't think anime analysis videos have to be impressive nor do I even have to agree with them, if it helped me see something I might have missed or get a better understanding of a work then it's done its job. |
Jun 19, 2019 2:40 PM
#97
Krayken said: That's because everything that comes out of these Youtuber's mouths is garbage. Digibro isn't an expert: he's a fucking idiot who thinks that analyzing anime makes him look smart. What these dumbasses do is just elitist-ism. A lot of what is said just makes no sense. Not everything needs to be analyzed because thats when you get retards like Digibro Not to be that guy, but you've only seen 37 anime. Wait until you watch more. it'll come to you. |
Jun 19, 2019 3:03 PM
#98
Yamatu said: It still hasn't come to me...Krayken said: That's because everything that comes out of these Youtuber's mouths is garbage. Digibro isn't an expert: he's a fucking idiot who thinks that analyzing anime makes him look smart. What these dumbasses do is just elitist-ism. A lot of what is said just makes no sense. Not everything needs to be analyzed because thats when you get retards like Digibro Not to be that guy, but you've only seen 37 anime. Wait until you watch more. it'll come to you. Which I'm happy with. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
Jun 19, 2019 3:22 PM
#99
Cabron said: Yamatu said: It still hasn't come to me...Krayken said: That's because everything that comes out of these Youtuber's mouths is garbage. Digibro isn't an expert: he's a fucking idiot who thinks that analyzing anime makes him look smart. What these dumbasses do is just elitist-ism. A lot of what is said just makes no sense. Not everything needs to be analyzed because thats when you get retards like Digibro Not to be that guy, but you've only seen 37 anime. Wait until you watch more. it'll come to you. Which I'm happy with. I mean, you haven't rated any single anime yet. The feeling that anime is generic genre and that you are only consuming for the purpose of fear and habit, it's gonna come |
Jun 19, 2019 8:33 PM
#100
Blarey said: I don't think anime analysis videos have to be impressive nor do I even have to agree with them, if it helped me see something I might have missed or get a better understanding of a work then it's done its job. I take that approach too. However I feel like of all analysis videos on youtube those related to anime tend to be the most pretentious of them all as their authors have a very... polarized worldview when it comes to that specific art category. |
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