The end of Eva is finally in the top 100 on mal...

Jun 16, 2019 4:40 PM

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Top 100 is overrated for EoE, for my tastes. It's been a while since I watched it but I remember feeling it was kind of a lot of action and none of the moody, slow, atmospheric segments that made EVA so good.

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Jun 16, 2019 4:46 PM

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No objections here. There are some far worse anime than EoE in T100. I'd say it deserves it.

Jun 16, 2019 5:35 PM

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EoE is one of the best Anime movies, better than the stuff that is in the top 10 on MAL

Jun 16, 2019 5:42 PM

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So the score is going up?

Jun 16, 2019 5:56 PM

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2ego said:
I found the movie horrible. Not sure why and how people like it.

But you think Dragon Ball and Monster are good?

Jun 16, 2019 6:02 PM

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keragamming said:
So the score is going up?

No. It was an 8.51 in March and it still is an 8.51 now, I think other titles' scores lowered.

Jun 16, 2019 6:34 PM

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99 is still insanely low. I honestly don't understand how this isn't yet in the top 10.

Jun 16, 2019 7:44 PM

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Arkab said:
99 is still insanely low. I honestly don't understand how this isn't yet in the top 10.

I agree completely.

Jun 16, 2019 7:45 PM

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this 600mb re-encode of this movie is sitting on my harddrive for years lol i have to eventually watch this but knowing the Rebuild movies are more enjoyable to me than the TV series makes me lazy to start watching this old movie

Jun 17, 2019 7:29 AM

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deg said:
this 600mb re-encode of this movie is sitting on my harddrive for years lol i have to eventually watch this but knowing the Rebuild movies are more enjoyable to me than the TV series makes me lazy to start watching this old movie

Watch it for those light effects. ;)

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Jun 17, 2019 7:33 AM

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Cabron said:

deg said:
this 600mb re-encode of this movie is sitting on my harddrive for years lol i have to eventually watch this but knowing the Rebuild movies are more enjoyable to me than the TV series makes me lazy to start watching this old movie

Watch it for those light effects. ;)

ye maybe next week i will try to watch it together with Kaiba

Jun 17, 2019 8:08 AM

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RIP Kaguya-sama

Well one day even Perfect Blue will be in top 100

Jun 17, 2019 1:45 PM

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Optigisa said:

But you think Dragon Ball and Monster are good?

I sure do. Elaborate on why those two are bad. I gave my opinion in the episode discussion of Eva.

Monster is monotonous and stretched out, the villain is a mary sue. Dragon Ball is the father of shonen and thus other shonen have taken it's archetypes and improved significantly on them. Plus, Dragon Ball's pacing is atrocious and the outcome is predictable. I tried to watch it last year and could not finish it.

Jun 17, 2019 2:38 PM

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Optigisa said:

Monster is monotonous and stretched out, the villain is a mary sue. Dragon Ball is the father of shonen and thus other shonen have taken it's archetypes and improved significantly on them. Plus, Dragon Ball's pacing is atrocious and the outcome is predictable. I tried to watch it last year and could not finish it.

I disagree that Monster is repetitive or stretched out, each story had great depth. The villain is great, Johan had immense depth in his character, and lacking flaws doesn't imply that he's a bad villain, in fact, as a villain, he stands atop, as he is the perfect villain. Yet again, if you personally dislike long shows, don't complain as if it's an actual flaw, older anime had longer adaptations than anime these days, don't use 2019's standards in a 1986's anime. Whatever the outcome, you wouldn't be satisfied with it unless everyone died and lost, since a positive outcome seems to be regarded as "predictable" in your viewpoint. In the first Dragon Ball, in fact, many times, the characters lost, though, so I don't see how it was "predictable."

To each their own, I guess. Monster is unimaginative and dull, I wanted to provide examples, but this is pointless.

if you personally dislike long shows, don't complain as if it's an actual flaw, older anime had longer adaptations than anime these days, don't use 2019's standards in a 1986's anime.

I really liked Yu Yu Hakusho, even though it was made in 92 and had 112 episodes worth of content. It's not my fault that the author's work (In this case, Dragon Ball) has not aged particularly well. As for older shows, I actually prefer older series over today.

Dragon Ball is predictable because the characters kept on winning and winning without any loss or consequences at the very least. What consequences though? When the author provides you with many plot devices (The Dragon Balls, Saiyan power boost, senzu beans, time chamber, etc.) you really cannot lose at all. Sure, this might be Dragon Ball and they didn't have the latter three, but they still had the dragon balls right then to use when a major villain attacked and a death occurred. And sure, they might have lost the occasional tournament match or two at the Budokai Tenkaichi tournaments, but that's not really a major threat. Look at Hunter x Hunter for example,

Plus, the nen system allows for various outcomes and depends on strategies, unlike Dragon Ball which favors the bigger number, thus turning it predictable and cliche.

I like Dragon Ball because of nostalgia, but that's really it.

Jun 17, 2019 2:47 PM

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It is in 98 now :D

Eva fans unite!

Jun 17, 2019 3:07 PM

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2ego said:

Optigisa said:

To each their own, I guess. Monster is unimaginative and dull, I wanted to provide examples, but this is pointless.

if you personally dislike long shows, don't complain as if it's an actual flaw, older anime had longer adaptations than anime these days, don't use 2019's standards in a 1986's anime.

I really liked Yu Yu Hakusho, even though it was made in 92 and had 112 episodes worth of content. It's not my fault that the author's work (In this case, Dragon Ball) has not aged particularly well. As for older shows, I actually prefer older series over today.

Dragon Ball is predictable because the characters kept on winning and winning without any loss or consequences at the very least. What consequences though? When the author provides you with many plot devices (The Dragon Balls, Saiyan power boost, senzu beans, time chamber, etc.) you really cannot lose at all. Sure, this might be Dragon Ball and they didn't have the latter three, but they still had the dragon balls right then to use when a major villain attacked and a death occurred. And sure, they might have lost the occasional tournament match or two at the Budokai Tenkaichi tournaments, but that's not really a major threat. Look at Hunter x Hunter for example,

Plus, the nen system allows for various outcomes and depends on strategies, unlike Dragon Ball which favors the bigger number, thus turning it predictable and cliche.

I like Dragon Ball because of nostalgia, but that's really it.

I'm talking ONLY about the first Dragon Ball, by the way. Goku nearly died fighting against Piccolo Daimao, he was beaten up insanely bad. Goku nearly died fighting against Mercenary Tao, too, he lost miserably against them. Taking only objectivity into account, the first Dragon Ball has next to no plot-holes, while Hakusho has A LOT of them. So, we have a clear conclusion: you're judging these shows entirely on your own personal taste. End of debate.

Have it your way then. You know Goku went on to annihilate Mercenary Tao after Kaorin gave him a plot device. Nearly dying or dying does not mean anything in the world of Dragon Ball, not DB nor DBZ nor any of it's other franchises since death has been made into a joke. I am pretty sure Dragon Ball has a plot hole though. The dragon balls, which are supposed to be stone for a whole year, are suddenly effective again during the Red Ribbon Army arc, which is roughly 8 months after their previous use.

Jun 17, 2019 4:12 PM

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2ego said:

Optigisa said:

2ego said:

Optigisa said:

2ego said:

Optigisa said:

2ego said:

Optigisa said:

2ego said:
I found the movie horrible. Not sure why and how people like it.

But you think Dragon Ball and Monster are good?

I sure do. Elaborate on why those two are bad. I gave my opinion in the episode discussion of Eva.

Monster is monotonous and stretched out, the villain is a mary sue. Dragon Ball is the father of shonen and thus other shonen have taken it's archetypes and improved significantly on them. Plus, Dragon Ball's pacing is atrocious and the outcome is predictable. I tried to watch it last year and could not finish it.

I disagree that Monster is repetitive or stretched out, each story had great depth. The villain is great, Johan had immense depth in his character, and lacking flaws doesn't imply that he's a bad villain, in fact, as a villain, he stands atop, as he is the perfect villain. Yet again, if you personally dislike long shows, don't complain as if it's an actual flaw, older anime had longer adaptations than anime these days, don't use 2019's standards in a 1986's anime. Whatever the outcome, you wouldn't be satisfied with it unless everyone died and lost, since a positive outcome seems to be regarded as "predictable" in your viewpoint. In the first Dragon Ball, in fact, many times, the characters lost, though, so I don't see how it was "predictable."

To each their own, I guess. Monster is unimaginative and dull, I wanted to provide examples, but this is pointless.

if you personally dislike long shows, don't complain as if it's an actual flaw, older anime had longer adaptations than anime these days, don't use 2019's standards in a 1986's anime.

I really liked Yu Yu Hakusho, even though it was made in 92 and had 112 episodes worth of content. It's not my fault that the author's work (In this case, Dragon Ball) has not aged particularly well. As for older shows, I actually prefer older series over today.

Dragon Ball is predictable because the characters kept on winning and winning without any loss or consequences at the very least. What consequences though? When the author provides you with many plot devices (The Dragon Balls, Saiyan power boost, senzu beans, time chamber, etc.) you really cannot lose at all. Sure, this might be Dragon Ball and they didn't have the latter three, but they still had the dragon balls right then to use when a major villain attacked and a death occurred. And sure, they might have lost the occasional tournament match or two at the Budokai Tenkaichi tournaments, but that's not really a major threat. Look at Hunter x Hunter for example,

Plus, the nen system allows for various outcomes and depends on strategies, unlike Dragon Ball which favors the bigger number, thus turning it predictable and cliche.

I like Dragon Ball because of nostalgia, but that's really it.

I'm talking ONLY about the first Dragon Ball, by the way. Goku nearly died fighting against Piccolo Daimao, he was beaten up insanely bad. Goku nearly died fighting against Mercenary Tao, too, he lost miserably against them. Taking only objectivity into account, the first Dragon Ball has next to no plot-holes, while Hakusho has A LOT of them. So, we have a clear conclusion: you're judging these shows entirely on your own personal taste. End of debate.

Have it your way then. You know Goku went on to annihilate Mercenary Tao after Kaorin gave him a plot device. Nearly dying or dying does not mean anything in the world of Dragon Ball, not DB nor DBZ nor any of it's other franchises since death has been made into a joke. I am pretty sure Dragon Ball has a plot hole though. The dragon balls, which are supposed to be stone for a whole year, are suddenly effective again during the Red Ribbon Army arc, which is roughly 8 months after their previous use.

If you take that mindset into Dragon Ball's world, whatever they were to see, you would just find it as "bad." Dragon Ball doesn't make "death" a joke, it gives it a different atmosphere, an atmosphere that shows that their world is entirely created by the author, a creation that goes past "death." I'm sure that didn't happen, from my memories a year passed since the previous use.

Fine then. Why did you find EoE bad anyways?

Jun 17, 2019 4:52 PM

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