Attack on Titan
dc22 said: thiago52192 said: Mindless hating popular things just for the sake of being popular fits a lot more on a definition of a bubble They're not bad because they're popular, but they are certainly overrated because of it. Deflecting criticism with ad populum is a falacy. Saying something is overated because it is popular is also absurd. Specially talking about a show that made a lot of non anime watchers (people who clearly have a prejudgement on this type of the show and don't care about something being popular on the anime community) love the show and some of them call it a masterpiece. Ad populum is when someone defend an argument just because it's popular, which is something that I clearly didn't do. My comment was saying it's stupid to think something is bad because it's popular. Changing the argument of a person just to defend your own fits on the definition of Straw Man falacy. |
BetterTasteJun 8, 2019 10:08 AM
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TsukuyomiREKT said: dc22 said: Yeah the only channel that calls out how bad the majority of popular shows actually are. Stay in your bubble. Stay a butthurt hipster who's only criticism is a buzzword. Like you? No thanks. thiago52192 said: dc22 said: They're not bad because they're popular, but they are certainly overrated because of it. Deflecting criticism with ad populum is a falacy. Saying something is overated because it is popular is also absurd. Specially talking about a show that made a lot of non anime watchers (people who clearly have a prejudgement on this type of the show and don't care about something being popular on the anime community) love the show and some of them call it a masterpiece. Ad populum is when someone defend an argument just because it's popular, which is something that I clearly didn't do. My comment was saying it's stupid to think something is bad because it's popular. Changing the argument of a person just to defend your own fits on the definition of Straw Man falacy. Non anime watchers liked the show in the first place because of it's initial shock factor, it was just like The Walking Dead or Game of Thrones. It's not like those people know any better, their just following normcore shows. Your argument is that my hate of the show was because it was popular so it was a Straw Man from the first place. It's not because it's popular, it's because people only watch AoT and think it's a masterpiece, without having knowledge of the medium. |
dc22 said: Like you? No thanks. thiago52192 said: Saying something is overated because it is popular is also absurd. Specially talking about a show that made a lot of non anime watchers (people who clearly have a prejudgement on this type of the show and don't care about something being popular on the anime community) love the show and some of them call it a masterpiece. Ad populum is when someone defend an argument just because it's popular, which is something that I clearly didn't do. My comment was saying it's stupid to think something is bad because it's popular. Changing the argument of a person just to defend your own fits on the definition of Straw Man falacy. Non anime watchers liked the show in the first place because of it's initial shock factor, it was just like The Walking Dead or Game of Thrones. It's not like those people know any better, their just following normcore shows. Your argument is that my hate of the show was because it was popular so it was a Straw Man from the first place. It's not because it's popular, it's because people only watch AoT and think it's a masterpiece, without having knowledge of the medium. Ok, and even if that was the case, what about now? Its been 6 years since season 1, a lot of these anime fans are now hardcore fans that watch plenty of anime since season 1 debut not only that they had to watch snk season 3 part 1 which was mostly politics and human vs human battle to get here, now we are here and its getting a lot of praise, and it is more impressive this time than back in 2013 because majority of these praise are from hardcore anime watchers. Not following your previous discussions, but not sure why we are even going back to 2013 in the first place. |
keragamming said: dc22 said: Like you? No thanks. Non anime watchers liked the show in the first place because of it's initial shock factor, it was just like The Walking Dead or Game of Thrones. It's not like those people know any better, their just following normcore shows. Your argument is that my hate of the show was because it was popular so it was a Straw Man from the first place. It's not because it's popular, it's because people only watch AoT and think it's a masterpiece, without having knowledge of the medium. Ok, and even if that was the case, what about now? Its been 6 years since season 1, a lot of these anime fans are now hardcore fans that watch plenty of anime since season 1 debut not only that they had to watch snk season 3 part 1 which was mostly politics and human vs human battle to get here, now we are here and its getting a lot of praise, and it is more impressive this time than back in 2013 because majority of these praise are from hardcore anime watchers. Not following your previous discussions, but not sure why we are even going back to 2013 in the first place. It's still the same people watching it. Those that didn't like it have long since dropped it, so it's no wonder the score keeps rising. |
dc22 said: Like you? No thanks. thiago52192 said: Saying something is overated because it is popular is also absurd. Specially talking about a show that made a lot of non anime watchers (people who clearly have a prejudgement on this type of the show and don't care about something being popular on the anime community) love the show and some of them call it a masterpiece. Ad populum is when someone defend an argument just because it's popular, which is something that I clearly didn't do. My comment was saying it's stupid to think something is bad because it's popular. Changing the argument of a person just to defend your own fits on the definition of Straw Man falacy. Non anime watchers liked the show in the first place because of it's initial shock factor, it was just like The Walking Dead or Game of Thrones. It's not like those people know any better, their just following normcore shows. Your argument is that my hate of the show was because it was popular so it was a Straw Man from the first place. It's not because it's popular, it's because people only watch AoT and think it's a masterpiece, without having knowledge of the medium. Why liking something on the beggining because the initial shock value is bad? Personally, shock value is probably the best way to start a series because it shows it has a potential of not being another average show (if done correctly of course, because a lot of shows have tried to do that and failed completely). Sure, it needs to develop upon this inital shock, but each episode of SNK is doing that. In the case of Game of Thrones it was also doing fine, until the writers fucked up the last couple of seasons. TWD did get worse, but it's rare finding someone who defend it now. My argument was indeed about you hating because it was popular because that was what your initial comment was insinuating. When you clarified after what your argument actually was, I adressed correctly. I also don't think it's really necessary to have a knowledge of the anime medium to understand the quality of the show. If someone already have a experience on watching movies and series, they can already understand most of the components that this medium has. I've watched the show a long time ago, when I basically only watched 20-30 shows, and now that I've watched more than 200, my opinion stays the same. Analysing those components is just gonna be a battle against different opinions, so to each their own |
BetterTasteJun 8, 2019 11:20 AM
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dc22 said: keragamming said: Ok, and even if that was the case, what about now? Its been 6 years since season 1, a lot of these anime fans are now hardcore fans that watch plenty of anime since season 1 debut not only that they had to watch snk season 3 part 1 which was mostly politics and human vs human battle to get here, now we are here and its getting a lot of praise, and it is more impressive this time than back in 2013 because majority of these praise are from hardcore anime watchers. Not following your previous discussions, but not sure why we are even going back to 2013 in the first place. It's still the same people watching it. Those that didn't like it have long since dropped it, so it's no wonder the score keeps rising. No shit sherlock! Its a sequel series who else would be watching it? The point I am making is that majority of the folks watching part 2 are not casual anime watcher, there was a 4 years gap between season 1 and 2, during that time they got years to watch other anime and refine their taste and to know what they will like and dislike, it has been six years since season 1, saying these people are still casual normies is bullshit. And stop the bull crap about the score of this season, season 3 part 1 ended in October of last year with basically the same score as season 1, heck season 2 is rated lower than season 1, so that is definitely not the real reason why the score is so high compare to previous reason. It just means that this season has click the right boxes that the majority is enjoying it than the previous season. You would have a argument only if season 2 and 3 had a big jump in score over season 1, but in reality season 3 only is higher by a slight margin, the jump in score from s3 part 1 to s3 part 2 is far too big to make such a conclusion. Every anime watcher starts as a casual first, people that are following the series after more than half a decade is clearly into this medium and not just the series alone. Your 2013 argument is too outdated to have any validation now, perhaps you didn't realize that so many years has past since season 1? Think about it, the ps4 wasn't even out yet when snk was airing, heck you didn't even join this website yet when snk was airing. Its a long ass time dude, I have even seen some folks on this website calling the 1st season of snk as being a old anime. Lmao |
keragammingJun 8, 2019 11:33 AM
dc22 said: Like you? No thanks. thiago52192 said: Saying something is overated because it is popular is also absurd. Specially talking about a show that made a lot of non anime watchers (people who clearly have a prejudgement on this type of the show and don't care about something being popular on the anime community) love the show and some of them call it a masterpiece. Ad populum is when someone defend an argument just because it's popular, which is something that I clearly didn't do. My comment was saying it's stupid to think something is bad because it's popular. Changing the argument of a person just to defend your own fits on the definition of Straw Man falacy. Non anime watchers liked the show in the first place because of it's initial shock factor, it was just like The Walking Dead or Game of Thrones. It's not like those people know any better, their just following normcore shows. Your argument is that my hate of the show was because it was popular so it was a Straw Man from the first place. It's not because it's popular, it's because people only watch AoT and think it's a masterpiece, without having knowledge of the medium. They don't need to have knowledge of the medium to call it a masterpiece. Even if it's literally the only anime they've seen, they can still call it that. Different opinions exist kid. |
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keragamming said: dc22 said: It's still the same people watching it. Those that didn't like it have long since dropped it, so it's no wonder the score keeps rising. No shit sherlock! Its a sequel series who else would be watching it? The point I am making is that majority of the folks watching part 2 are not casual anime watcher, there was a 4 years gap between season 1 and 2, during that time they got years to watch other anime and refine their taste and to know what they will like and dislike, it has been six years since season 1, saying these people are still casual normies is bullshit. And stop the bull crap about the score of this season, season 3 part 1 ended in October of last year with basically the same score as season 1, heck season 2 is rated lower than season 1, so that is definitely not the real reason why the score is so high compare to previous reason. It just means that this season has click the right boxes that the majority is enjoying it than the previous season. You would have a argument only if season 2 and 3 had a big jump in score over season 1, but in reality season 3 only is higher by a slight margin, the jump in score from s3 part 1 to s3 part 2 is far too big to make such a conclusion. Every anime watcher starts as a casual first, people that are following the series after more than half a decade is clearly into this medium and not just the series alone. Your 2013 argument is too outdated to have any validation now, perhaps you didn't realize that so many years has past since season 1? Think about it, the ps4 wasn't even out yet when snk was airing, heck you didn't even join this website yet when snk was airing. Its a long ass time dude, I have even seen some folks on this website calling the 1st season of snk as being a old anime. Lmao Season 3 part 2 is definitely delivering on what the fans want, at least more than the last ones. Hype is a powerful drug. And only 200k people are watching S3 part 2, it's long gone from the 1.5M of the original season. Casuals or not, they're rather diehard AoT fans on a whole. |
| @dc22 you are excellent at stating the obvious its fascinating, i don't know what u are trying to achieve with the discussion, but the moment u posted the video link to that moronic video all your credibility went out the window right into the passing garbage truck |
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| Two weeks after episode 5 and still in top 1 on IMDb, this is historic for the anime world |
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Nim0174 said: @dc22 you are excellent at stating the obvious its fascinating, i don't know what u are trying to achieve with the discussion, but the moment u posted the video link to that moronic video all your credibility went out the window right into the passing garbage truck Apparently it's still not so obvious to you that the show is grossly overrated. Perhaps try to look past the memeworthy presentation into what the video is actually saying. |
dc22 said: Nim0174 said: @dc22 you are excellent at stating the obvious its fascinating, i don't know what u are trying to achieve with the discussion, but the moment u posted the video link to that moronic video all your credibility went out the window right into the passing garbage truck Apparently it's still not so obvious to you that the show is grossly overrated. Perhaps try to look past the memeworthy presentation into what the video is actually saying. Apparently it's still not so obvious to you that your opinion isn't objective fact. Perhaps try to dismount that high horse. |
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dc22 said: Nim0174 said: @dc22 you are excellent at stating the obvious its fascinating, i don't know what u are trying to achieve with the discussion, but the moment u posted the video link to that moronic video all your credibility went out the window right into the passing garbage truck Apparently it's still not so obvious to you that the show is grossly overrated. Perhaps try to look past the memeworthy presentation into what the video is actually saying. did your mama not teach you that your opinion is worthless in society? |
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TsukuyomiREKT said: dc22 said: Apparently it's still not so obvious to you that the show is grossly overrated. Perhaps try to look past the memeworthy presentation into what the video is actually saying. Apparently it's still not so obvious to you that your opinion isn't objective fact. Perhaps try to dismount that high horse. Pot calling the kettle black. Nim0174 said: dc22 said: Apparently it's still not so obvious to you that the show is grossly overrated. Perhaps try to look past the memeworthy presentation into what the video is actually saying. did your mama not teach you that your opinion is worthless in society? Don't be surprised if other people think your opinion is worth the same then. |
| Someone lock this thread already, there's nothing worth discussing in here. |
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dc22 said: keragamming said: No shit sherlock! Its a sequel series who else would be watching it? The point I am making is that majority of the folks watching part 2 are not casual anime watcher, there was a 4 years gap between season 1 and 2, during that time they got years to watch other anime and refine their taste and to know what they will like and dislike, it has been six years since season 1, saying these people are still casual normies is bullshit. And stop the bull crap about the score of this season, season 3 part 1 ended in October of last year with basically the same score as season 1, heck season 2 is rated lower than season 1, so that is definitely not the real reason why the score is so high compare to previous reason. It just means that this season has click the right boxes that the majority is enjoying it than the previous season. You would have a argument only if season 2 and 3 had a big jump in score over season 1, but in reality season 3 only is higher by a slight margin, the jump in score from s3 part 1 to s3 part 2 is far too big to make such a conclusion. Every anime watcher starts as a casual first, people that are following the series after more than half a decade is clearly into this medium and not just the series alone. Your 2013 argument is too outdated to have any validation now, perhaps you didn't realize that so many years has past since season 1? Think about it, the ps4 wasn't even out yet when snk was airing, heck you didn't even join this website yet when snk was airing. Its a long ass time dude, I have even seen some folks on this website calling the 1st season of snk as being a old anime. Lmao Season 3 part 2 is definitely delivering on what the fans want, at least more than the last ones. Hype is a powerful drug. And only 200k people are watching S3 part 2, it's long gone from the 1.5M of the original season. Casuals or not, they're rather diehard AoT fans on a whole. Because it's still airing? Because the first season was 6 fucking years ago. As if people didn't go inactive between these 6 years? Talk about being delusional. You can't even come up with valid arguments. You're just restricted to "You guys cannot see how overrated this is" to "only a handful of people are watching this". PS: DiTF was definitely AOTY 2018. |
| Thread locked for not encouraging discussion. Another score thread that ended as all the others before did... Threads about ranking and scores just encourage flame wars between people who liked the show and people who disliked it. They don't promote any kind of actual discussion. |
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