| "ForumWhy straight Anime fans loves Yuri but can't stand Yaoi?" Huh, I don't like yuri too. Those stories are build only on the fact there is two girls or two guys but they are weak... |
| If we're talking in a sexualization sense, same reason lesbian porn is so popular, I'd imagine. Hell, even if I don't like lesbian porn, I get why people would see the presence of dicks or other men be a factor in their sexual indulgences would be something they see as gross and that's always been a common argument in favor of lesbian porn over traditional porn. Lack of males helps things a lot for a lot of people. The straight fans who would approve of Yuri in *this* sense are probably mostly going to be males with this kind of mentality, although I have my fair share of issues with the perceived popularity of Yuri amongst male audiences and how commonly it's asserted, given that the majority audience for Yuri is still female. ----- If we're not talking about it from a fetish-y or sexualized perspective, I don't know and I don't really care all that much. I will say, though, that I don't see as that different from one another, and that it'd be hypocritical to be cool with one and uncool with the other. That's about the breadth of my thoughts on it, it'd be fundamentally stupid outside of a sexualized context. |
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| Because most men that watch anime have weak masculinity and can't stand their masculinity challenged lmao I can watch and like anything as long as it's well written. I can loudly say I enjoyed yuri smut and still say I'm straight. |
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ThatShiny_Hex said: You can find both pussies and dicks in hentai anime. Or do you mean you only watch yuri where the sex don't involve dicks?because we love pussies and not dicks |
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Kurgo said: Must be why death note is so high on your list. Lmao. I don't understand the joke nor I offended. I admit DN is one of the very first anime I watched lol. I remember rooting L and added him into my favorite character list. |
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| Straight guys like women? Seeing 2 women go at it is even hotter? I mean.. I'm into women, thus I find yuri adorable/hot (depending on content) as dosage is increased. Yaoi.. I rarely watch that genre. As I'm not into men and thus seeing men doing together something on romantic level or so..I find it rather displeasing/turn-off I guess? |
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| lets not ignore the fact they are usually all males too. Usually i see this type of people complain about yaoi yet they go and flock to yuri like how hypocritical can you be lol |
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| It's not hypocritical because most people don't dislike Yaoi because of the gay men, but the genre itself and it's cliches and tropes. Yaoi and Yuri both have homosexuality in them, but that doesn't really make them comparable. It'd be like someone hating Shounen romance, but liking Shoujo romance. They express themselves differently, and that's the root of most criticisms. There are also those that are actually homophobic, but that doesn't need explaining. No one is defending those kinds of people. |
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| Because... Insecurity, pha ha ha. Sorry, sorry but watching two girls making out is alluring. Watching two men make out is at best "eh whatever" and at worst uncomfortable. I watch both so rather than enjoying the guys slobbering over each other I prefer the plot developing around their indecent activities. |
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Shicchi said: ThatShiny_Hex said: You can find both pussies and dicks in hentai anime. Or do you mean you only watch yuri where the sex don't involve dicks?because we love pussies and not dicks There isn't nearly enough Yuri hentai. The dicks in porn are the worst thing about it. It's fine if you like seeing dicks. I believe sexuality is on a spectrum so if you're like 20% gay then great. All power to you. But someone who is more like 97% straight will always be somwhat disgusted by sexuality involving men and dicks in general. I could be wrong though. Maybe things are different with the younger generation where they've been brought up with all the male homosexuality in the mainstream media now. But in my opinion they're just more gay. Again, no judgment though. I also think there's an element of men trying to look 'progressive' or 'comfortable with their sexuality' which is a stupid phrase which suggests being disgusted with man-on-man sex is somehow due to insecurity and not the natural disgust repsonse from seeing stuff we're not in to. I feel the same way with scat porn or when I see puke. Doesn't mean I'm somehow not comfortable with poop or the contents of my stomach. Well... I guess it does lol but there's nothing wrong with that! I'm not agianst poop rights, I just don't want it in my porn! Aldnox said: ThatShiny_Hex said: This. Stop making it out to be about muh homophobia or muh social pressure or whatever. Straight men like girls, not men. Because of this it makes sense they'd enjoy romance between girls more than romance between dudes, because you know... they're not into dudes.because we love pussies and not dicks This x1000! |
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Maneki-Mew said: (Almost) Everything could be interesting and enjoying. Almost everything means "legal" stuff without kids and co., you know. Just to clarify that. ^^" Kinf of ironic how you still draw a line, no? I mean, 100 years ago stuff with kids and stuff with two men would have been viewed in the same light. In fact, the latter would have been seen as worse across most of the world (down to a certain age of course, lets say 'kids'=puberty up to 16-18 or so) I'm not trying to defend real child abuse. I know this is the line of thinking that leads to the argument for lowering age of censent and I'm generally aginst that, with some nuance. But the fact that you say you can't understand why people find man-on-man gay sexuality disgusting when you imply that you feel the same way about sexuality involving kids... doesn't make sense. What about animals? You don't find bestiality somewhat disgusting? You are most definitely familiar with the feeling of finding some sexual acts disgusting. I haven't discussed this stuff in depth in a while and just noticed how gay used to mean man-on-man but has been appropriated to mean both man-on-man and lesbian. There is no word for man-on-man specific homosexuality. Tell me that wasn't intentional control of language in order to normalize gay relationships... Gay agenda is so real, man... Like, it's fine if people want to be gay but why is it pushed so much as though we all have to be OK with it in every sense. I don't like it. Sorry. But my opinion shouldn't affect how you live your life. I wouldn't treat a gay person any different if I met them in the street or through business. But I reserve the right to find it disgusting. EDIT: It's like how lots of people don't like anime. I've seen more than a few flashes on disguest on the faces of people I've talked to about anime or people I've watched on TV or YouTube or whatever. But I don't give a fuck what they think! As long as I'm free to enjoy anime then I'm happy. Only problem comes when people try to censor or suppress tabboo idea in anime. Same should go for gay people. They're free to be gay, to be openly gay. The vast majority of people won't judge you for being gay, which is more than can be said for being a proud anime fan. |
YossaRedMageJun 1, 2019 5:54 AM
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| To me, yaoi and yuri are both equally disgusting, and their fanbases are just plain awful. I refuse to watch any romance anime that is shojo-ai/shonen-ai, don’t @ me. |
LeonhartAugustJun 1, 2019 6:05 AM
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| as much as i support the LGBT im a hyppocrite and find gay sex disgusting (homophobia) but funny though im 1 on the kinsey scale too (little bisexual in me) for me i just say let the LGBT do what they want but im not gonna do what they do lol and that is watching gay sex stuff |
Maneki-Mew said: ...and why they couldn't they be neutral towards it and focus on the emotional part instead. Beacuse it's not a choice. It's about instinctive, intuitive emotion. Do you even understand that concept? I honestly get the impression some people, like yourself, are just completely out of touch with your instinct and what you are conciously aware of is filtered through a mechanical thought process that decides what you "think" based on certain rules (usually handed down by society). This is most explicity deonstrated by your appeal to the law in your comment where you said 'almost everything means "legal" stuff...' I'm sorry but I have no respect for someone that uses the law as basis for their thinking. The law is an ass. It changes and evolves throught history as humanity learns and improves. To take the law as the utmost authority is just intellectual laziness and choosing not to think for youself. As for "focusing on the emotional part instead", I again feel like you are completely out of touch with the instictive, animalistic essence of life, and pair bonding particularly in this case. The physical element is fundamentally inseperable from the emotional side. The physical elements comes first. It comes from our bodies and the desire to procreate which creates our sexual desires. This counts for gay people too. The lust and physical pleasure which is still present comes purely from those same needs to procreate. But this doesn't make the act of pair bonding any less meaningful and fulfilling and wonderful and all the other good stuff. The attitude that the physcial side is somehow base and not deep or meaningful comes from completely outdated religious, puritan nonsense and needs to be stamped out. Sex is wonderful. The feeling of tittilation that anime is so liberatingly happy to play with is just as valid as any other emotion. Anime, entertainment, life is about experiencing emotions and if a show can make me feel excited, happy, sad, mad, but also tittilated at times then fantastic. |
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| @YossaRedMage im not sure about that since there is bromance and even bros before hoes stuff and to me those are fine as long as there is no gay sex involve or even constant sexual tension |
deg said: im not sure about that since there is bromance and even bros before hoes stuff and to me those are fine as long as there is no gay sex involve or even constant sexual tension I'm not sure which bit you're replying to but yeah sure there can be emotional bonding between two people of the same gender in a platonic way. But we're talking about sexual relationships, which I think will always have the highest ceiling for emotional depth because of the physcial factor. |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
YossaRedMage said: deg said: im not sure about that since there is bromance and even bros before hoes stuff and to me those are fine as long as there is no gay sex involve or even constant sexual tension I'm not sure which bit you're replying to but yeah sure there can be emotional bonding between two people of the same gender in a platonic way. But we're talking about sexual relationships, which I think will always have the highest ceiling for emotional depth because of the physcial factor. im talking about this phrase you mention "The physical element is fundamentally inseperable from the emotional side." since male friendships involves physical contact too but the emotional side can be either platonic (friend zone) or sexual |
YossaRedMage said: Shicchi said: You can find both pussies and dicks in hentai anime. Or do you mean you only watch yuri where the sex don't involve dicks? There isn't nearly enough Yuri hentai. The dicks in porn are the worst thing about it. It's fine if you like seeing dicks. I believe sexuality is on a spectrum so if you're like 20% gay then great. All power to you. But someone who is more like 97% straight will always be somwhat disgusted by sexuality involving men and dicks in general. I could be wrong though. Maybe things are different with the younger generation where they've been brought up with all the male homosexuality in the mainstream media now. But in my opinion they're just more gay. Again, no judgment though. I also think there's an element of men trying to look 'progressive' or 'comfortable with their sexuality' which is a stupid phrase which suggests being disgusted with man-on-man sex is somehow due to insecurity and not the natural disgust repsonse from seeing stuff we're not in to. I feel the same way with scat porn or when I see puke. Doesn't mean I'm somehow not comfortable with poop or the contents of my stomach. Well... I guess it does lol but there's nothing wrong with that! I'm not agianst poop rights, I just don't want it in my porn! Aldnox said: This. Stop making it out to be about muh homophobia or muh social pressure or whatever. Straight men like girls, not men. Because of this it makes sense they'd enjoy romance between girls more than romance between dudes, because you know... they're not into dudes. This x1000! It's differrent "things you're not into" and "things you're disgusted with" "not into dudes" and "disgusted by romance between dudes" is differrent. I'm not into girls but I'm not disgusted with shoujo ai/yuri. Doesn't mean I go my way looking for yuri/shoujo ai anime, I'm not. Because I'm not into girls. I'm not interested in romance between girls. But if there is F x F couple in a show I watch and like, I wouldn't be disgusted by it one bit. Especially if it's well written. If we talk about real life, I wouldn't be disgusted if I spot a lesbian couple. I wouldn't be disgusted if someone coming out to me. Let me tell you a bit of my story. My supervisor is a lesbian. When she first coming out to me, tbh I was scared (it's the first time I met a lesbian in person, let alone someone so close to me). But as time went by (like, the next day lol), I realized nothing changed at all. She is still the closest person to me at work until now. She often talked about her gf to me. And I'm happy to listen and support her. |
CrimsonMidnightJun 1, 2019 7:21 AM
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Shicchi said: It's differrent "things you're not into" and "things you're disgusted with" "not into dudes" and "disgusted by romance between dudes" is differrent. This is curious. For me and I get the impression most guys feel that there really isn't a middle ground. Maybe this is a male / female mentality thing. It's well known how much more confortable women are with lesbian sex than men are with gay sex. Not being obsolutist of course. There's always going to be people who have the other mentality of both genders. But anyway, there are people like myself for whom there isn't a middle ground when it comes to sex. And I mean specifically when it comes to sex. For instance, I can't stand mixing food with sex. It's disgusting to me. But I like food of course. And any kind of romantic relationship always has that inseperable subtext of sex. Shicchi said: I'm not into girls but I'm not disgusted with shoujo ai/yuri. Doesn't mean I go my way looking for yuri/shoujo ai anime, I'm not. Because I'm not into girls. I'm not interested in romance between girls. But if there is F x F couple in a show I watch and like, I wouldn't be disgusted by it one bit. Especially if it's well written. To be honest I'm somewhat jealous. There are probably a lot of good yaoi I'm missing out on because of my taste. Sarazanmai airing this season is an example of what looks like a fantastic show but the male-male homoerotic elements are too much for me. But as I say, it's just a taste issue. I can't enjoy most battle shounen either and that's also unfortunate for me. Problem comes when people try to call these preferences homophobic or any other derisive slur. @deg Ah, I see now. Yeah I should have been more clear that I meant in the context of a coupling or pair-bonding kind of romance. Where there is the subtext of a physcial relationship, the physical side is inseparable from the emotional one because so much of that emotion is founded on sexual attraction, usually. I can't imagine someone being happy if their partner doesn't find them sexually attractive but I mean... if both people are happy then whatever. It's the exception rather than the rule though. |
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| Males don't tend to love Yaoi\shonen ai, Females don't tend to love Yuri\shoujou ai I don't watch any girlXgirl things because it doesn't interest me at all. Shoenen ai I watched some, but Yaoi... I rather not. |
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| I would much rather watch two girls make out then two dudes. |
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| Because they haven't the tragic experience of being rejected by a lesbian girl in real life yet to realize that they are extremely dumb for appreciating relationships that go against human nature. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
EfiChan said: Males don't tend to love Yaoishonen ai, Females don't tend to love Yurishoujou ai I don't watch any girlXgirl things because it doesn't interest me at all. Shoenen ai I watched some, but Yaoi... I rather not. Like, more than 50% of the Yuri fanbase in Japan is made of girls (and most Yuri mangaka are women, actually). |
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YossaRedMage said: To be honest I'm somewhat jealous. There are probably a lot of good yaoi I'm missing out on because of my taste. Actually no you're not missing out anything. Most of them are bad haha. (well at least imo) YossaRedMage said: Sarazanmai airing this season is an example of what looks like a fantastic show but the male-male homoerotic elements are too much for me. But as I say, it's just a taste issue. I can't enjoy most battle shounen either and that's also unfortunate for me. Problem comes when people try to call these preferences homophobic or any other derisive slur. I guess differrent people have differrent things they are uncomfortable with. As for me, I'm not easily offended or disgusted by anything really (I'm talking strictly in fiction ofc). The only thing I can't stomach is probably extreme gore (like eroguro and all it's subgenre if any) YossaRedMage said: @deg Ah, I see now. Yeah I should have been more clear that I meant in the context of a coupling or pair-bonding kind of romance. Where there is the subtext of a physcial relationship, the physical side is inseparable from the emotional one because so much of that emotion is founded on sexual attraction, usually. I can't imagine someone being happy if their partner doesn't find them sexually attractive but I mean... if both people are happy then whatever. It's the exception rather than the rule though. Sorry for butting in. Just wanted to say, being a partner doesn't always need to involve sex imo. So yes, people can be happy with a partner that they think doesn't sexually attractive. For me emotional intimacy is what matter the most in a relationship. |
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Shicchi said: Sorry for butting in. Just wanted to say, being a partner doesn't always need to involve sex imo. So yes, people can be happy with a partner that they think doesn't sexually attractive. For me emotional intimacy is what matter the most in a relationship. Really good points. Of course everything I've said is from the perspective of a straight male and it's going to be the case that even among that group there will be people that buck the trend. I think I speak for the majority though. The title of the post does ask "why straight anime fans..." but I think the implication is that OP is talking about male fans as the "loves Yuri, hates Yaoi" stereotype is for straight males. So I think most of my points stand but I certainly made the mistake of talking in generalities about all people so there are likely a few things I've said in this thread which are wrong without a context which I didn't specify. I will reiterate some of what I said in this context. I think for most straight men, the physcial and emotional side of romance is very much inseperable. But, and this is something I really want to stress, that doesn't make it less deep or meaningful. There is this perception that the physical side is somehow base and not... hmm the right word isn't coming but you know what I mean. I would argue that the strong emotion of loving another person to the point that they are important to you and you care about them is just as worthy whether it is purely non-physical or in that physcial/emotional linked way I describe. In fact, I might go as far as to say there is a higher ceiling where the physical side and the emotional side co-exist. This kind of got off-topic hah! It's just a pet peeve of mine how the male sex drive is under attack in so much of the modern world so I feel the need to defend it. |
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asdASf3rf13raWed said: sido said: But aren't they being somehow hypocrite? no? how would they? hate simply means strong dislike and nothing more, there is nothing hypocritical about it... They are straight -> they like yuri? Hypocritical much? So female who loves Yuri are straight? |
YossaRedMage said: Shicchi said: Sorry for butting in. Just wanted to say, being a partner doesn't always need to involve sex imo. So yes, people can be happy with a partner that they think doesn't sexually attractive. For me emotional intimacy is what matter the most in a relationship. Really good points. Of course everything I've said is from the perspective of a straight male and it's going to be the case that even among that group there will be people that buck the trend. I think I speak for the majority though. The title of the post does ask "why straight anime fans..." but I think the implication is that OP is talking about male fans as the "loves Yuri, hates Yaoi" stereotype is for straight males. So I think most of my points stand but I certainly made the mistake of talking in generalities about all people so there are likely a few things I've said in this thread which are wrong without a context which I didn't specify. I will reiterate some of what I said in this context. I think for most straight men, the physcial and emotional side of romance is very much inseperable. But, and this is something I really want to stress, that doesn't make it less deep or meaningful. There is this perception that the physical side is somehow base and not... hmm the right word isn't coming but you know what I mean. I would argue that the strong emotion of loving another person to the point that they are important to you and you care about them is just as worthy whether it is purely non-physical or in that physcial/emotional linked way I describe. In fact, I might go as far as to say there is a higher ceiling where the physical side and the emotional side co-exist. This kind of got off-topic hah! It's just a pet peeve of mine how the male sex drive is under attack in so much of the modern world so I feel the need to defend it. Well, I didn't mean to cheapen the importance of physical attraction in a relationhip. More like, in my personal view, that emotional intimacy will eventually play more important part than physical side ever will. Of course it's best if both can do exist in the same person. So, not saying physical side of the relationship is unimportant. There is a reason why LDR is hard to maintain I guess. But I always have a hard time believing those romance in Hollywood movies or things like "love at first sight". Falling in love just because you like what you see and only after a few meetings is just hard to believe. Crush maybe, attraction definitely, but love? Nope. I believe platonic love and romantic love is just as strong ;D I still stand that emotional intimacy is the key to long lasting relationship. Romantic or regardless :DD |
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| Really depends what you mean by yuri and yaoi. Obviously there are a lot of homophobes in the anime community. There's no doubt about that. That is a large component of why male x male relationships in anime freak people out (regardless of whether the series is BL or not). It's a complicated question to ask, because there are obviously a large amount of people who hate gay men when you ask this question, and also people who just don't think the genre is done very well. Anyway with the genres, can come down to preferences... Storytelling wise we haven't gotten many decent BL titles adapted. Still, people should stay in their lane and leave people alone about genres they dislike, but they never do. |
| Personally, I'm not really interested in Yuri/shoujo ai but I would not mind watching one if it has good story and characters.I'm staight btw. Straight Guys not liking BL doesnt make them homophobic,same with girls not liking Yuri. Maybe they dont like the genre as whole? BL and Yuri need more decent titles. Most of the time its just fan-service for fujoshi |
JaemaeJun 2, 2019 8:51 AM
| Because they're hot girls? Well I like both. |
| True Chads get watery mouths over both yuri and yaoi. |
| "Of what worth is a king who fails to protect the powerless?" —Saber, Fate/Zero |
| I love yuri. Yuri is my life. Yaoi. Nah. That's gay. I ain't gay. |
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