| > Is anime normalizing incest? Is anime normalizing middle and high schoolers going on crazy adventures over vast worlds and getting themselves involved in life-and-death situations on a frequent basis? Is anime normalizing the use of violence and power struggles to solve conflicts? |
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| I grew up with three sisters (also two brothers), we did stuff that kids growing up together from early childhood through the teen and into adult years do, I occasionally saw them in various states of undress (and vice versa), and to this day they are some of the best people to interact and spend time with. Yet I'm not in the least attracted to them in any sort of romantic or erotic sense. Because they're sisters and I just... don't... think of them that way. I've often wondered how many of those most into sibling incest didn't grow up with any opposite sex siblings. Also, research into attraction between first cousins has suggested that those who first become acquainted as teenagers or older are much more likely to develop an attraction to one another than those who knew each other as younger children. |
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Sphinxter said: I see absolutely no reason why incest should be a taboo; all the arguments against it are clearly just searching for a reason to justify emotional disgust. ^^^ This. Also if indeed anything is in any way normalizing incest, that would be because there wasn't many, if any strong "logical pillars" holding that moral up to begin with. |
HyperLMay 21, 2019 10:04 AM
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| I don't think so, I noticed that both the audience and perpetrators of anime that have incest in it are extremely abnormal people who couldn't normalize anything for anyone :( |
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| Anime is just a diversified media that provides outlet to fantasies. Cousins being attracted to each other also isn't new, I had one interested in me before and he wasn't into anime. |
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mwalimu said: A teenage-years friend of mine that had his own siblings had a massive incest fetish going on and enjoyed roleplaying being siblings and kind of infected me with it — had no attraction whatsoever to his own actual siblings as far as I know and I in fact didn't hear him much about them.I've often wondered how many of those most into sibling incest didn't grow up with any opposite sex siblings. Also, research into attraction between first cousins has suggested that those who first become acquainted as teenagers or older are much more likely to develop an attraction to one another than those who knew each other as younger children. |
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| Normalizing it IRL no.. Making it look like it's a bit more normal in the anime world yes.~ |
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Issmail22Lawfy said: Mattinator95 said: Didn't know they made Ellie homosexual . ( Haven't played the DLC if that's where it starts ) Cyberpunk 2077 ? the Israeli-American director of the last of us (Neil Druckmann a self proclaimed SJW) said that ellie is gay and that he want people to treat it like gay..., he even said that people who don't like this are homophobic Cyberpunk 2077 is a game who sets in a world where you can play as gay , straight or even bisexual , also the NPCs might be straight, gay, or bisexual; each will have their preferences, and might or might not be sexually interested in your character (which you’ll be able to create yourself) , so you can have any relationship you want with NPCs .this is what CDprojekt designer (Patrick Mills ) said. CDprojekt wanted to do the same with the witcher serie but thankfully the fact that Geralt’s sexuality was already defined by the book series, prevented that. The main similarity between the two developers ( naughty dog and Cd projekt red) in their feministe orientation , and their SJW agenda ... Alright easy there sean hannity, this is an anime thread, not "libtards got DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC" Seriously, why do you bring crap like "SJW agenda" here? |
on Phraze said: Anime is just a diversified media that provides outlet to fantasies. Cousins being attracted to each other also isn't new, I had one interested in me before and he wasn't into anime. Wow your cousin got a crush on you? What's that like m8? |
Dave_Adrian said: Phraze said: Anime is just a diversified media that provides outlet to fantasies. Cousins being attracted to each other also isn't new, I had one interested in me before and he wasn't into anime. Wow your cousin got a crush on you? What's that like m8? Just something quickly discouraged, for reasons that weren't incest (ie. family competition). I'm in the SEA region. Though it was interesting. lol |
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Dave_Adrian said: Issmail22Lawfy said: the Israeli-American director of the last of us (Neil Druckmann a self proclaimed SJW) said that ellie is gay and that he want people to treat it like gay..., he even said that people who don't like this are homophobic Cyberpunk 2077 is a game who sets in a world where you can play as gay , straight or even bisexual , also the NPCs might be straight, gay, or bisexual; each will have their preferences, and might or might not be sexually interested in your character (which you’ll be able to create yourself) , so you can have any relationship you want with NPCs .this is what CDprojekt designer (Patrick Mills ) said. CDprojekt wanted to do the same with the witcher serie but thankfully the fact that Geralt’s sexuality was already defined by the book series, prevented that. The main similarity between the two developers ( naughty dog and Cd projekt red) in their feministe orientation , and their SJW agenda ... Alright easy there sean hannity, this is an anime thread, not "libtards got DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC" Seriously, why do you bring crap like "SJW agenda" here? Dude, I swear, they are even turning the freaking frogs gay. |
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| I mean, every piece of media we experience influences us in some way or another. Is anime normalizing incest, in a sense is it making it less socially bad in our day to day lives? No, probably not. Is it making us gradually more comfortable with the trope in anime specifically? Yes, yes it is. |
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Issmail22Lawfy said: Dave_Adrian said: Alright easy there sean hannity, this is an anime thread, not "libtards got DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC" Seriously, why do you bring crap like "SJW agenda" here? oh please don't kill me mr.strict-guy 1/ you can just ignore my reply if you don't like it 2/ my previous reply wasn't for you 3/ you can't decide what i should say and when/where i should say it Dave_Adrian said: Alright easy there sean hannity, this is an anime thread, not "libtards got DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC" Seriously, why do you bring crap like "SJW agenda" here? oh please don't kill me mr.strict-guy 1/ you can just ignore my reply if you don't like it 2/ my previous reply wasn't for you 3/ you can't decide what i should say and when/where i should say it It's just a bit odd m8... and I aint mr strict guy... And you're right, I cant decide what you should say or shouldn't say, I mean, this is a thread about incest dammit... Just try to keep that fox news crap on the down low bruh.. (only a suggestion) |
| Other than some implications to a marriage within the royal family to "preserve their bloodline" in Kemono no Souja Erin, I haven't seen incest in a single anime. But frankly those just aren't the kinds of shows I watch. Any series with "sister" in the title is a no-go for me. |
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Sphinxter said: mwalimu said: A teenage-years friend of mine that had his own siblings had a massive incest fetish going on and enjoyed roleplaying being siblings and kind of infected me with it — had no attraction whatsoever to his own actual siblings as far as I know and I in fact didn't hear him much about them.I've often wondered how many of those most into sibling incest didn't grow up with any opposite sex siblings. Also, research into attraction between first cousins has suggested that those who first become acquainted as teenagers or older are much more likely to develop an attraction to one another than those who knew each other as younger children. That's... very interesting... and very ironic as well |
Dave_Adrian said: Fictional fetishes are often like that; around 50% of humans has a sexual fetish about being a rape victim — I doubt they'd be so amused with the actual occurence outside of roleplaying.Sphinxter said: A teenage-years friend of mine that had his own siblings had a massive incest fetish going on and enjoyed roleplaying being siblings and kind of infected me with it — had no attraction whatsoever to his own actual siblings as far as I know and I in fact didn't hear him much about them. That's... very interesting... and very ironic as well |
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Greyleaf said: Elfen Lied had cousins feeling romantic towards each other, if we consider cousin attractions as incest. It's rare, but still exists.Other than some implications to a marriage within the royal family to "preserve their bloodline" in Kemono no Souja Erin, I haven't seen incest in a single anime. But frankly those just aren't the kinds of shows I watch. Any series with "sister" in the title is a no-go for me. |
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Phraze said: Greyleaf said: Elfen Lied had cousins feeling romantic towards each other, if we consider cousin attractions as incest. It's rare, but still exists.Other than some implications to a marriage within the royal family to "preserve their bloodline" in Kemono no Souja Erin, I haven't seen incest in a single anime. But frankly those just aren't the kinds of shows I watch. Any series with "sister" in the title is a no-go for me. Cousin attractions are incest... right? |
| Anime isn't normalizing incest but if it was that would be great. We live in a supposedly accepting society but two consenting adults can't display affection without being ostracized? |
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Dave_Adrian said: Phraze said: Elfen Lied had cousins feeling romantic towards each other, if we consider cousin attractions as incest. It's rare, but still exists. Cousin attractions are incest... right? Well.. The idea is generally frowned upon if you have better options. People traditionally look to increase their family tree, which is why they expand outside of family. There can also be health complications if children are birthed from very closely-related couples. The least related you are, the better; general guideline. Incest, in my opinion, applies to immediate family. Extended family as a romantic venture is just frowned upon and not helpful to the family, but could be considered as a last resort. The human race probably had to start via incest, after all. It's just very risky, health-wise. |
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Greyleaf said: It seems that even when it's not the main selling point Japanese media seems more comfortable with implying it in shows that are otherwise not about this subject. The Rito–Mikan, Tomoko–Tomoki, Sorata–Yuuko relationships for instance seem to definitely imply some level of one-sided or mutual incestuous attraction that is mostly played for humor.Other than some implications to a marriage within the royal family to "preserve their bloodline" in Kemono no Souja Erin, I haven't seen incest in a single anime. But frankly those just aren't the kinds of shows I watch. Any series with "sister" in the title is a no-go for me. Essentially Japanese media seems more comfortable with portraying sexual harassment, incest, domestic violence and paedophilia for humorous than that of other cultures. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Sphinxter said: Greyleaf said: It seems that even when it's not the main selling point Japanese media seems more comfortable with implying it in shows that are otherwise not about this subject. The Rito–Mikan, Tomoko–Tomoki, Sorata–Yuuko relationships for instance seem to definitely imply some level of one-sided or mutual incestuous attraction that is mostly played for humor.Other than some implications to a marriage within the royal family to "preserve their bloodline" in Kemono no Souja Erin, I haven't seen incest in a single anime. But frankly those just aren't the kinds of shows I watch. Any series with "sister" in the title is a no-go for me. Essentially Japanese media seems more comfortable with portraying sexual harassment, incest, domestic violence and paedophilia for humorous than that of other cultures. See, I do agree with that. We have too many SJWs over here in the west who wouldn't allow the portrayal of most of the things you mentioned there, in the large majority of media at least. I'm fine with the fact that the Japanese are comfortable using such taboo topics as a basis for humor, but it still doesn't mean the subject of incest, comedy or not, appeals to me personally. |
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Captiaanuniverse said: CrashRHCP said: No. It's prolly just your cousin that's hot. @Dave_Adrian you are not finding your cousin attractive, it is simply your protecc instinct kicking in. Now that these weebs know your cousin is hot, they shall descend upon her like the great plague descended upon my part of the world, arm thyself man, lest your cousin end the day like a wind sock! Is it just protecc? Cuz Im tellin you man.. there's also attacc And don't you dare get close to my cousin you neckbeards! She's mine... I mean not mine really thats my cousin yo... I cant be head over heels with my cousin... *nervous laugh* |
| Anime being Japanese i think its pretty normal because the laws regarding incest in Japan allow it "Consensual incest between adults is legal in Japan" for us i guess its weird but each country has different laws therefore who are we to says whats wrong or whats right |
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Dave_Adrian said: Cabron said: >is anime normalizing incest? >we all know there's a lot of anime about incest... what do you guys think? Not really? I mean it's there but not sure about a lot of anime having it... eyy cabron I could name like 10 out of my head alone.. Eromanga, sao, oreimo, domekano, monogatari series, tsukihime, grand blue, yosuga no sora, date a live, mahouka... I could go on here Literally half of what you've mentioned doesn't contain incest. If there's no blood involved, it isn't incest. DomeKano is also the worse example of them all, why shouldn't you date someone you've met recently just because, also recently, your parents married? |
| Possibly and it's a good thing if it is because there's nothing inherently wrong with incest as long as there's no abuse going on. If it's 2 cousins who are around the same age, there's literally no argument against it that doesn't also advocate for eugenics. |
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Sphinxter said: mwalimu said: A teenage-years friend of mine that had his own siblings had a massive incest fetish going on and enjoyed roleplaying being siblings and kind of infected me with it — had no attraction whatsoever to his own actual siblings as far as I know and I in fact didn't hear him much about them.I've often wondered how many of those most into sibling incest didn't grow up with any opposite sex siblings. Also, research into attraction between first cousins has suggested that those who first become acquainted as teenagers or older are much more likely to develop an attraction to one another than those who knew each other as younger children. Yeah, most people don't, from my experiences in talking to people about it and being around this sort of thing. It feels like other people usually like taking these types of more taboo fetishes and try to spin them into something much worse sounding than they are, to paint things in broad strokes for some reason and make this sort of dangerous thing more played up than it probably should be. Rape porn is for rapists, not rapists are going to be more into rape porn. If you like incest porn or sexualization, then obviously irl you spend all day ogling your sisters and are potentially trying to groom them or something. Sometimes I want to just chalk these kinds of things up to people being terrified because of fearmonger-y behaviors like that, but that's just asking for some sort of polemic, sensationalist headache to pop up and make my day unnecessarily obnoxious. |
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Greyleaf said: Sphinxter said: It seems that even when it's not the main selling point Japanese media seems more comfortable with implying it in shows that are otherwise not about this subject. The Rito–Mikan, Tomoko–Tomoki, Sorata–Yuuko relationships for instance seem to definitely imply some level of one-sided or mutual incestuous attraction that is mostly played for humor. Essentially Japanese media seems more comfortable with portraying sexual harassment, incest, domestic violence and paedophilia for humorous than that of other cultures. See, I do agree with that. We have too many SJWs over here in the west who wouldn't allow the portrayal of most of the things you mentioned there, in the large majority of media at least. I'm fine with the fact that the Japanese are comfortable using such taboo topics as a basis for humor, but it still doesn't mean the subject of incest, comedy or not, appeals to me personally. Well I never said it appealed to you; I just said that in comparison to say most American media the subject is noticeably common throughout Japanese media. |
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| I wouldn't say Japan but the Otaku culture over there are probs the ones who want to normalize it through Anime cause of their fantasies. Since every trope is made to satisfy the Male otaku audience over there. |
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Manaban said: I do have to say that whenever a man say "Whenever I meet a man that satisfies criterion X then Y is always satisfied as well." I often feel like the thing he talks about is so rare that he can surely not have met enough to make any statistical conclusion.Sphinxter said: A teenage-years friend of mine that had his own siblings had a massive incest fetish going on and enjoyed roleplaying being siblings and kind of infected me with it — had no attraction whatsoever to his own actual siblings as far as I know and I in fact didn't hear him much about them. Yeah, most people don't, from my experiences in talking to people about it and being around this sort of thing. It feels like other people usually like taking these types of more taboo fetishes and try to spin them into something much worse sounding than they are, to paint things in broad strokes for some reason and make this sort of dangerous thing more played up than it probably should be. Rape porn is for rapists, not rapists are going to be more into rape porn. If you like incest porn or sexualization, then obviously irl you spend all day ogling your sisters and are potentially trying to groom them or something. Sometimes I want to just chalk these kinds of things up to people being terrified because of fearmonger-y behaviors like that, but that's just asking for some sort of polemic, sensationalist headache to pop up and make my day unnecessarily obnoxious. It seems to me that rather it is a stereotype he merely creates in his mind or just as likely one that he draws from the media. |
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Sphinxter said: Manaban said: I do have to say that whenever a man say "Whenever I meet a man that satisfies criterion X then Y is always satisfied as well." I often feel like the thing he talks about is so rare that he can surely not have met enough to make any statistical conclusion.Yeah, most people don't, from my experiences in talking to people about it and being around this sort of thing. It feels like other people usually like taking these types of more taboo fetishes and try to spin them into something much worse sounding than they are, to paint things in broad strokes for some reason and make this sort of dangerous thing more played up than it probably should be. Rape porn is for rapists, not rapists are going to be more into rape porn. If you like incest porn or sexualization, then obviously irl you spend all day ogling your sisters and are potentially trying to groom them or something. Sometimes I want to just chalk these kinds of things up to people being terrified because of fearmonger-y behaviors like that, but that's just asking for some sort of polemic, sensationalist headache to pop up and make my day unnecessarily obnoxious. It seems to me that rather it is a stereotype he merely creates in his mind or just as likely one that he draws from the media. The way I've seen it as being is like, put a source up to a study that says drunk drivers are more likely to like drinking alcohol, and then try to use this as an anti-alcohol consumption argument. Nobody wants to be considered a drunk driver, they're a danger to the lives of others and they have no intent of wanting to be called and accused of being as much, so fuck it, I guess. Guess we just gotta not stand up for being able to enjoy a drink every now and again without facing that sort of taboo being sewn. It's sourced to a study, often masked behind a giant text wall, and sometimes even comes from decently articulate people in terms of how their writing ability. And I hate that. It worries me that people don't actually think about the implications of how these things are being connected and what they're trying to prop up by presenting it like so if they're just skimming through the discussion or something. It's felt almost designed to be obscurantist like that at points when I've run across it - narrative-weaving moreso than presenting an actually rational case against something. |
ManabanMay 21, 2019 12:53 PM
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| I'm sorry but this thread is hilarious. I laughed as soon as I saw the title. Based on my long history of using the internet, I'd say that having the hots for your cousin isn't all that weird and having attraction to your second cousin is definitely not weird. I'd say if we're going to argue for incest getting normalized, there's way more sister fucking going on in the porn industry, American and Japanese, than in normal anime. |
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| Meanwhile in Game of Thrones (the biggest show on TV for many years) characters are f*cking their sisters, fathers, cousins and aunts. |
laviha said: Anime makes loads of weird and awkward things feel normal. But I guess it's okay to think that your cousin is hot as long as your imaginations doesn't run too wild Define imaginations that run too wild... |
Voldo said: Meanwhile in Game of Thrones (the biggest show on TV for many years) characters are f*cking their sisters, fathers, cousins and aunts. And at the end of the series, the fans got fucked instead... Seriously, season 8 sucks dogbutt |
Sphinxter said: mwalimu said: A teenage-years friend of mine that had his own siblings had a massive incest fetish going on and enjoyed roleplaying being siblings and kind of infected me with it — had no attraction whatsoever to his own actual siblings as far as I know and I in fact didn't hear him much about them.I've often wondered how many of those most into sibling incest didn't grow up with any opposite sex siblings. Also, research into attraction between first cousins has suggested that those who first become acquainted as teenagers or older are much more likely to develop an attraction to one another than those who knew each other as younger children. Interesting example, thank you for sharing. As with so many questions of this nature, there are going to be individual differences, and if there's a pattern, it won't be a case of "will or won't" based on a particular characteristic (such as having opposite-sex siblings, especially close to one's own age), but rather one of "more likely or less likely". |
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