Domestic na Kanojo Chapter 224 Discussion

teuzints said:
It was good, but I'm actually worried about the situation between Rui and Natsuo and how this is gonna end... Reading other reviews and through the whole story I really think Hina is the right girl for Natsuo, but God... More than 100 chapters of Rui and Natsuo and all of this shit for nothing? Makes me feel very sad.

CaesarZeppelli said:


but at least you can see it objectively right? Hina is always supporting him no matter what, even when she dump him, it was all for his sake, thats why Hina is better for him than Rui.

And yeah, there were a lot of Rui and Natsuo moments, but now she met the chef guy who is better aligned to her dreams than Natsuo.

So i think i know where this is going. And i like it :P

teuzints said:
I know Hina is the best for him

teuzints said:
It was good, but I'm actually worried about the situation between Rui and Natsuo and how this is gonna end... Reading other reviews and through the whole story I really think Hina is the right girl for Natsuo, but God... More than 100 chapters of Rui and Natsuo and all of this shit for nothing? Makes me feel very sad.

Pointygnome said:


What makes you think Rui does not support Natsuo no matter what? One of the reasons she broke up with him is because their relationship problems at the moment (jealousy) was causing issues in both their lives.

Her breaking up with him was in order for them to both work on themselves getting better at their professions and as people in general.

Not being around doesn't indicate that she doesn't support Natsuo, otherwise the same statement can be made about Hina not being around for most of the manga.

Two people practicing the same profession can make it easier to grow closer together but does not necessarily mean it will be a perfect fit.

Pointygnome said:


The first part of your message is basically what also happened when Hina left. So not sure why that would make Hina a better partner... Different context but still Natsuo was heartbroken by it.

Rui is able to make even the difficult choices or at least confronts her problems head-on.

Hina is a weak woman that needs somebody to tell her what she should do or otherwise she'll go into a mental breakdown and run away like she has done several times already.

Sure she's 'nice' and her body 'looks good' but I would prefer a woman that tells me what's going on rather than having to deal with needless drama.

Pointygnome said:


Rui and Natsuo both grew as a couple and individuals during their time together.

Up till now Natsuo didn't grow while being together with Hina. It's been the same deal since the start of the manga.

Hina has also dropped a decent profession she studied years for, which also is her dream job just to be with Natsuo. That only strengthens my belief she's weak, because she drops something tangible for somebody that may not even end up with her.

A strong, successful man is often backed by an even stronger/succesful woman.

dabdan43 said:


He actually did grow in his relationship with Hina albeit not as much as he did with rui but thats more because they didn't date as long and were far more restricted. You can't expect someone to grow in a situation that was most likely going to fail from the start. However more importantly Natsuo little growth in this relationship with Hina is a major cornerstone of who he is now. It was in this relationship that he found the drive and what it takes to be a great author. He saw the harsh reality of what it takes to be an author in japan and that just half hazradly trying wasnt enough. He found all this out so that he could support the person he loved which at the time was hina. Evrything he learned from this carried over into his relationship with rui. That is growth.
And when it comes to hina, again i dont see how getting on your knees and begging that she be punished instead of natsuo is at all similar to rui situation. I'm not saying this means shes better than rui im just saying that they are different. But to say hina ran away is not fair to her, firstly she was forced to and secondly she did it for the person she absoultly was in love with and still is in love with. Hinas real problem isnt that she runs away but more that she refuses to get help from people and compartmalizes it to the point that everything explodes in her face. I have this same problem as well not to her extent because well this is a drama after all. Also hina drooped her profesional career yes in some part so she could move back and be with natsuo but another important fact is that she felt given that evrything that had happend with her and natsuo she had no right to be giving any advice or guidance to her students.
I do want hina to get back together with natsuo but if he ends of with rui ill be fine. But but since 216 ive always stated that it really is 50/50 between the two girls on who will end up with natsuo. Nothing after that has shown a more likelyhood to any girl so idk how someone can just flat out say Hina is endgame or rui is as well. At this point it's all opinons and i just prefer hina, not because of her looks ( even though yes she is very attractive), but more because i sympathize with everything shes been through up till now. Anyway that my two-cents

Akagi-kun said:

But those were all her decisions. It's not Natsuo's fault he fell in love with another girl... Hina already had her shot, but she blow it.
Again, I don't hate Hina. Personally, I just don't see the way, that she would be Natsuo's choice.

Pointygnome said:


Natsou wanting to become a novelist can be more so credited to the one's in the book club (and his favorite novelist) rather than Hina. Not to mention he had interest in this way before he got serious with Hina. Sure part of the reason he pursues it can be credited to her but it's not because of her supporting him but more so that he wants to become adult-like to be interesting for her.

bRui: On her way to becoming a (chef) cook.
Natsuo: On his way to become a novelist.
Hina: On her way to become ????

Hina didn't change that much at all, she's still indecisive and causes problems for the people around her. She quit her dream job to chase after Natsuo only to not chase him and going out with that eventual stalker/stabby guy which caused a shit ton of drama for Natsuo and the rest of the family. She's gone for more than a year and immediately after she returns she stirs shit up.

dabdan43 said:


No it most definetly is because of hina. He always loved writing books and short stories but he never really considered entering any awards for them until yes his club members told him to. But It wasn't till he met HInas friend that she knocked some sense into him. She told him and i quote " Your dreams might as well be unattainable if your attitude is just, ( "it would be nice if i became a novelist")" CH.56. It was after this conversation he started to realize what it would take to be a witer. And yes this all started because hinas friend was asking him how he planned on supporting him and hina.

And never once said hina changed i said natsuo grew in his relationship with her. Im actually hoping that hina will get some growth in the upcoming chapters. Hina situation with the stalker is not her fault she did everything she could. She told managment at hotel and reported it. She did the best that she could in that crazy situation and she only went into it to try and see if she could forget aboutn natsuo since she dosent want to interfere with rui. You obivously really dont like hina. i remember previous talks with you and we just have different opinions on her which i, with all do respect, disagree with.

CaesarZeppelli said:


Also, there are a lot of hints about Hina and Natsuo ending up together, so there's that too.

Peace out :P

Pointygnome said:

To reiterate from my earlier messages in other threads: At the moment I find Rui more fitting for Natsuo because she has shown that she can make difficult choices even when they hurt and she supported Natsuo ever since the beginning, but I'm not stuck on Rui like #teamrui or #teamhina lime some people are to either of the characters. I just follow their character development and depending on what happens in the upcoming volumes of this manga my opinion may change on which girl I find more fitting even if it's a whole different girl entirely.

Akagi-kun said:
@dabdan43


Took away all that crazy quoting.
I can say the same about Rui. We turn again to Chapter 73, which refers to Natsuo's wife. The toy is 100% hand made by Momo. And Momo's Rui's friend... But it's all a long way from settled.

I think that when Rui returns, "Natsuo" (in quotes because we know that Sasuga is actually) will make the final decision between the two sisters. In the meantime, to be blunt, Hina is still a rather underdeveloped character (even if she is a very good-natured person and cheerful, she is still a child, she is not aware of her value as a person, she does not dream, she is indecisive, she lacks courage, and she often makes decisions as she "she lives in a fairy tale") in personal terms, she has moved very little away from what we see in the first chapters, or even in some areas she has even taken a step back. If you all think about it, it really is.
And yes, the truth is, out of 2 sisters, I do prefer the younger one. I like her personal growth from the first chapters. And I can't change that. )
In any case, the plot goes there, far it will turn Sasuga-Sensei. So the ending can be absolutely anyone. Even with Marie ) *laughs* And in any case we all will read it, since we're already on the hook.

Pointygnome said:



So in fact Hina's friend can be credited for this realization that he wants to pursue it. Not Hina herself right? Just because he wants to do it for HER doesn't mean she is the one that has made him realize to go through with it.

Not her fault?
1) She quit her job as teacher to be closer to Natsuo
2) She goes along with the arranged marriage whatever thingy even though she doesn't want to(she wanted to be with Natsuo)
3) She let's the shitshow run it's course for a while and let's the people from the hotel and Natsuo solve it for her.

This whole situation just goes to show she didn't grow at all as a character as she's still as passive as she was before. That indecisiveness annoys the heck out me, just make up your damn mind and go for it instead of waiting waiting waiting.... If she grows out of that passiveness and becomes more like Rui in that regard she becomes a better choice for him than she is at the moment.


@CaesarZeppelli: As far as I've seen it's the Hina fans twisting and turning every little thing to make Hina look better or credit her for something even when she didn't do anything to make that certain situation happen.

If it works like that you can credit Hina/Rui's mother and Natsuo's father for everything that happened to them thus far, since it's because of them everything progressed like this right?

To reiterate from my earlier messages in other threads: At the moment I find Rui more fitting for Natsuo because she has shown that she can make difficult choices even when they hurt and she supported Natsuo ever since the beginning, but I'm not stuck on Rui like #teamrui or #teamhina like some people are to either of the characters. I just follow their character development and depending on what happens in the upcoming volumes of this manga my opinion may change on which girl I find more fitting even if it's a whole different girl entirely.

dabdan43 said:


Lol thanks for that it was getting crazy, how do you respond without the quotes im still new to this? As for what you said, as a hina fan, i do agree with what you said about her i am hoping for more development. The reason i like is just i very much sympathize with her is all. Everything thing you said about sasuga sensei is true as well should could literally put him with anyone if she felt like it lol. Which is why i dont understand how anybody can definitively say that hina or rui are endgame.
The only thing i thought could be a minor stretch was the toy thing. I feel that momo wouldnt just make it for rui as natsuo is her friend as well. Also i wouldn't say its 100% her that made it, I would say that if she became like a doll designer, but she became a doctor so idk lol. Well see

CaesarZeppelli said:



I dont know how to post an answer to everyone in one single post, maybe i will learn someday :P

The thing is, it's really fun to join this forums, i like to read all your points of view in this topic, even if you disagree with my own.

All we can do is wait and see what happen, there are hints for both endings (HinaxNatsuo and RuixNatsuo), still i agree that Hina lack of character development but im hoping she will get her time soon, after all this mess with misaki ends.

Anyway, we can spen all day arguing about why our favorite girl is the best, but in the end Sasuga has the last word.

I hope we keep the nice debating till then, and let's see who is right in the end my friends xD

dabdan43 said:


Did you see the latest episode of the anime. Cuz Yikes us Hina fans just got a big middle finger lol. They rushed so much :/

CaesarZeppelli said:


I haven't watched it, i will, later today, but i can guess how much they are gonna cut out from the manga lol

They should have done a 24 episodes season, because it's way too fast how this is going and there is a lot of important moments missing in the anime.

I hope they get a second season but it may be difficult, if they keep rushing the plot like this many peaople wont understand where the strong feelings of some characters are coming from.

But well at least we have the manga xD

Pointygnome said:
@dabdan43

Experiences in any kind of relationships makes you grow; Natsuo has shown far more growth during his time with Rui than he ever did with Hina with of course time together being one of the factors that comes to play.

It's been a while but as far as I can recall Hina kissed, had sexual interactions and confessed her feelings multiple times when Natsuo was in a relationship with Rui OR when she was aware Rui was in love with him. So there's been several occasions where she interfered between NatsuoXRui --- a few moments this happened when she was drunk.

Not facing your problems heads-on(basically running away from your problems) is what Hina does quite a lot, why do you think Natsuo thought Hina didn't like him at the beginning of the manga and got semi-depressed from it? Because she didn't acknowledge her feelings and was beating the bush instead of getting her feelings/thoughts straight.

I don't recall her saying she quit her job because she felt she couldn't give them guidance or anything, I feel it has more to do with the fact with him being a (college) student and she not wanting the 'scandal' thing to become a bigger issue.

If Hina had set her feelings straight and acted upon it this manga would've had it's conclusion 50-100 chapters ago. Hina lets everything and everybody get in the way of her and Natsuo and that indecisiveness is annoying. Currently Rui is out of the picture but there has been 1-2 other girls in between her and Natsuo already and this number may grow.

At this rate Rui will be long back before Hina has taken her chances with Natsuo into actually becoming a couple.

Pointygnome said:
@dabdan43

I took the time to go through the chapters:

All the following happened even when Hina knew Rui loved Natsuo -- and even when it was obvious they were in a relationship:

Chapter 30: Hina catches Natsuo and Rui kissing.
Chapter 34: Natsuo opens an envelope with a key. Basically invites him to do whatever he wants with her at her new place.
Chapter 35: Hina and Natsuo kiss.
Chapter 36: Hina and Natsuo kiss.
Chapter 37: Hina and Natsuo kiss.
Chapter 44: Hina and Natsuo kiss and get caught by Rui(She runs out crying).
Chapter 47: Hina and Natsuo kiss.
Chapter 48: Hina and Natsuo kiss.
Chapter 54: Hina and Natsuo kiss.
Chapter 55: Hina and Natsuo have sex.
Chapter 59: Hina and Natsuo kiss.
Chapter 61: Hina and Natsuo kiss.
Chapter 63: Hina's been caught by the school and leaves.
Chapter 128: Rui leaves and Hina returns for New Years eve.
Chapter 130/131: Hina confesses and kisses a sleeping Natsuo.
Chapter 138: Hina starts living at the house again and Natsuo has his own apartment.
Chapter 144-145: Hina comes to Natsuo's apartment drunk while Rui is in the shower; Kisses him and tells him: I love you.
Chapter 187-188: Rui overhears her mother/stepdad speaking about how they should've let Hina and Natsuo go their way.
Chapter 215: Rui and Natsuo breakup - Jealousy from both sides, wavering attention for each other because of other people coming into the mix and the support from mother/stepdad forces Rui to this decision.

Throughout these chapters Natsuo also kissed and had sex with Rui; He's obviously at fault as well but to say Hina never interfered and was 'trying to be the good sister' is in my opinion questionable.

In the end Hina is partially to blame, next to Serizawa and Cook-guy for the eventual breakup.

dabdan43 said:


Lol come back when you finish the episode im curious what you thought. I was so mad. And yeah im glad for the manga

Akagi-kun said:
Oh shit. I was waiting for this anime, but did not watch series from the start of the season
and now, after watching some episodes i'm so upset by this adaptation. Everything was crumpled.
By the way, returning to the manga. Who do you think kidnapped Natsuo and Misaki? Those guys from Chapter 223? Or it was Marie guys?

Pointygnome said:
@dabdan43

I'm assuming you're a guy:
So let's say you're in love with somebody and your brother(or friend) has seen you kiss the girl you like and your brother(friend) then starts kissing/having sex with that girl. That doesn't make him a total dickhead? I'm sorry to say but if my brother or friend did that I would at least give him a sucker punch for not respecting me at all.

Chapter 30 should've made Hina aware that Rui likes Natsuo and Chapter 44 strongly confirms that, why else would Rui run out of Hina's house crying?

I even forgot to add in possibly the most important chapter in this timeline:
Chapter 33 - Rui tells Hina she loves Natsuo.

So straight after Rui tells Hina she loves Natsuo, she gave Natsuo the key to her apartment, kissed him multiple times and had sex. How does that make her a good sister? lol.....

Is Hina that blind/naive to not imagine Rui and Natsuo getting together after she left? There were enough signs:
- The kissing
- Rui running away crying after she found Natsuo in Hina's apartment.
- Rui telling Hina she loves Natsuo.

I did see several chapters such as 170/204 where (accidental) nudity was involved but didn't find it noteworthy for the list as nothing actually happened in the end.

CaesarZeppelli said:


Unforgivable!!!

They skip one of the dates between Natsuo and Hina, what the hell are they thinking :O

LOL they should have make it a 24 episodes season, because there is a lot missing in the story and it has great implications on how the characters feelings are perceived by anime-only fans.

But well, at least we know the truth my friend hahaha

dabdan43 said:


Problem is that Rui and natsuo didnt start dating till chapter 115 and Hina didnt find out till chapter 148. So everything before 115 doesnt mean anything. Rui yes was in love with natsuo but natsuo wasnt. The only reason he allowed the kisses between him and rui was so that he could try and forget about hina. At this point in the manga that wasnt a relationship. And when hina saw this she lost control and later on in ch33 she finally told him how she felt. This is the one time she actually did something even though she was kinda forced to. But the point is your examples before 115 in my opinion don't count because natsuo didnt have a relationship with rui at the time. And then everything before 148 can be attributed to both rui and natsuo for not telling her they were dating.
But so that im not showing bias you did forget the time in chapter 170 were hina draggged natsuo to the fair with him. And chapter 204 where she walked drunk and naked in natsuos hotel room. But the two events didnt really make her a bad sister

In all honesty if serizawa were to date natsuo id be fine with that too.

Akagi-kun said:
Oh shit. I was waiting for this anime, but did not watch series from the start of the season
and now, after watching some episodes i'm so upset by this adaptation. Everything was crumpled.
By the way, returning to the manga. Who do you think kidnapped Natsuo and Misaki? Those guys from Chapter 223? Or it was Marie guys?

Pointygnome said:
@dabdan43 That's why I mentioned Natsuo is at fault as well and possibly the worst person out of the three but we're comparing Hina vs Rui in this case.

It would've ended a long time ago if she didn't let everything and everybody get in the way of the relationship; but up till now there's been school and several girls/guys between them. Both Hina and Natsuo's actions don't always match their words causing it to be a complete shitshow from both sides.

If I were in Hina's shoes and I have seen my brother kiss the girl(stepsister) I like, knowing they live in the same house I would definitely expect something to happen between them. It would be difficult for me not to ask whether or not they've gone any further after I returned.

@CaesarZeppelli
The part where Natsuo is to blame is when he does things to both Rui and Hina but doesn't make a choice between them. On the other hand Hina was vague for the most part which made Natsuo doubt whether or not she actually likes him. Hina masturbating and moaning the other guy's name made Natsuo give in to Rui's advances.

You have to be an opportunist in love.

Personal example:


My example shows that I would probably have still acted up on it like Hina did to grab what I think should be mine but that doesn't make it less of a dick move towards whomever the other party is.