| So after the translators dropped the title after Volume 4, could somebody spoil me what happened at the end? |
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| Thanks for the summery. I didnt expect this ending and I'm a little disappointed but it could be worse. |
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| Then...all I can do now is to save a picture of Itka & Yatori sitting together. I'll imagine a perfect love story ever told, and in another life, I wish them to be together for a long time again... |
| uh part of the spoilers above are totally wrong. Despite what Yatori fans would like you to believe, here was not a lot of drop from "fans" as the sales didn't especially go down in the later volumes. Although the very last volumes didn't please everyone (I personally thought it was a satisfying and logical end to it). They're alive and well. Mathew is married to Polmi and has 4 children by the time he's 30-ish years old. he lives in a big estate near the coast. He's a serious candidate for being the next Marshal in the republic. By the time of the series, he had reached Ikta's level in the chess-like game they were playing and was an incredibly talented general. The other two are still single. Torway is a general as well and still pushing forward the research on guns and snipping. He got a crazy reputation in that field. Haroma is a bit lower than general but I don't remember her exact rank, it's still pretty high IIRC. She's extremely active in revolutionizing the field medic's methods, ethics and tools. |
ZefyrisFeb 16, 2019 3:37 PM
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| The novel went to hell when the author to make Chamille the protagonist killed Yatori. If you red "The prince" by Maquiavelo you can note that the egocentric princess is no more than a selfish brat. The hell with both of the protagonists death. Even if it were cliche, I think most of us expected an end where the empire won and Ikta will retire to live peacefully somewhere. Not that they forced us to accept a capricious princess with no idea of the real world. I loved the anime because Ikta is one of the few strategists of this medium in which his strategies made sense and did not happen because the author wanted it, a pity for the heartbreaking end of this series. I can read Japanese and I expected to read the novel, but now I see that it would be a waste of time. |
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LastLuminescence said: The novel went to hell when the author to make Chamille the protagonist killed Yatori. If you red "The prince" by Maquiavelo you can note that the egocentric princess is no more than a selfish brat. The hell with both of the protagonists death. Even if it were cliche, I think most of us expected an end where the empire won and Ikta will retire to live peacefully somewhere. Not that they forced us to accept a capricious princess with no idea of the real world. I loved the anime because Ikta is one of the few strategists of this medium in which his strategies made sense and did not happen because the author wanted it, a pity for the heartbreaking end of this series. I can read Japanese and I expected to read the novel, but now I see that it would be a waste of time. Yeah, I'm really not excited to read it now as well... |
 In most cases, the MAL Average Scores don't mean anything, here is a question: were the works made before 2000 all shit? Why are they so damn scarce in the Top 50? Think about how MAL is quite literally a filtered amount of the Anime fanbase. Here's a timeline of the Top 15 in which you can check that, almost always, the scores are affected by the freshness, popularity and other factors that have nothing to do with quality. |
LastLuminescence said: The novel went to hell when the author to make Chamille the protagonist killed Yatori. If you red "The prince" by Maquiavelo you can note that the egocentric princess is no more than a selfish brat. The hell with both of the protagonists death. Even if it were cliche, I think most of us expected an end where the empire won and Ikta will retire to live peacefully somewhere. Not that they forced us to accept a capricious princess with no idea of the real world. I loved the anime because Ikta is one of the few strategists of this medium in which his strategies made sense and did not happen because the author wanted it, a pity for the heartbreaking end of this series. I can read Japanese and I expected to read the novel, but now I see that it would be a waste of time. the hell with that post? - Chamille didn't kill Yatori. - Chamille is the most selfless character in this series, not the most selfish -_-. -"both protagonist dying" is not true either - So you expected a happy ending for characters in a military story and are protesting when it didn't happen. I think you should stick to non-military stories from now on. -It is true for this series quality on military tactics and strategy, that's the only thing in your post so far that made sense btw. - You're better staying away from that novel indeed. Not because it's bad though, but because military stories are not for you, as I pointed out above. a list of lies is rarely exciting indeed. |
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chief-kun said: i cant say, that is bad story or not, but i feel bad for them. i totally agree with ikta not end with princess, but im not happy with that ending. forgive me, that's just my selfishness TBH solely from the LN, at least from the Princess part, you can say she was being the typical tsundere that falls for the MC, easily. So when I heard Yatori died, I was shocked and then realized the writter maybe was going for this ship instead, noneless that ending... would actually like to read it all, seems at least different. |
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MasterArchitetto said: Wow..... Thanks guys for letting me know I honestly did not expect for Itka to die. I actually thought that at least Itka or Yatori would live. They could’ve done a much more better job I think. I’m 100% certain that they rushed the manga and that it might of been a reason on who the manga ended. Anyway, does anyone of you know where can I find the Japanese manga, I want to check the drawings now that I know the end. It's not a manga, it's a novel, and it never felt rushed, it followed its normal course. In war, barely anything goes the way peoples 'd want them to go. I know where you can buy the novels, but not where you can see its illustrations. |
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matkrai said: Zefyris said: uh part of the spoilers above are totally wrong. Despite what Yatori fans would like you to believe, here was not a lot of drop from "fans" as the sales didn't especially go down in the later volumes. Although the very last volumes didn't please everyone (I personally thought it was a satisfying and logical end to it). They're alive and well. Mathew is married to Polmi and has 4 children by the time he's 30-ish years old. he lives in a big estate near the coast. He's a serious candidate for being the next Marshal in the republic. By the time of the series, he had reached Ikta's level in the chess-like game they were playing and was an incredibly talented general. The other two are still single. Torway is a general as well and still pushing forward the research on guns and snipping. He got a crazy reputation in that field. Haroma is a bit lower than general but I don't remember her exact rank, it's still pretty high IIRC. She's extremely active in revolutionizing the field medic's methods, ethics and tools. Is there some kind of legacy in epilog or something for the Yatori and Ikta like does "main" characters go to some kind of grave or are they thinking about them i really need to know this so i get some kind of relief at the end It would be quite hard to explain since it requires ton of infos that no one mentioned so far in this thread, but better than legacy, you could almost say that all important characters in this story met some kind of happy end. |
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matkrai said: Zefyris said: It would be quite hard to explain since it requires ton of infos that no one mentioned so far in this thread, but better than legacy, you could almost say that all important characters in this story met some kind of happy end. Thanks for replying but i still don't get it i understand that all other characters are happy but i want to know is there some kind of closure for Ikta and Yatori like Ikta thinking about her before he dies or even some other characters talking about them after their deaths in the epilogue or some simbol like when neji died we got bird flying so we can see that he is finally free if you can think of anything it would really be great thanks anyways. No, like I said, for ALL the important characters. Icta and Yatri are obviously important characters. There is an epilogue about Icta and Yatri indeed. |
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Pringer-x said: Zefyris said: No, like I said, for ALL the important characters. Icta and Yatri are obviously important characters. There is an epilogue about Icta and Yatri indeed. Did Yatri got buried in the end ? it seems after she got put in ice coffin, time skip 2 years, there is no mention of her anymore. Do her body still in ice coffin or they already buried her body and put a grave on it ? and there is epilogue on Icta and Yatri at volume 14 ? seems kinda weird the covers of volume 14 was showing the Ikta , Yatri , Chamille(forgot her name), Haroma , Matthew , and Tornway. Do they tell us what happened to those two after they die ? their legacy or maybe their grave are close at each other ? and their friends visit their grave ? AFAIK she was kept in ice, I don't remember her being buried later, but she's technically in a family grave or something like that IIRC. I can't really explain you what is the epilogue on Icta and Yatri as this would require a whole vol worth of spoiler, and more exactly, a volume that was weirdly never spoiled (while a lot of stuff about Alderamin was) openly anywhere I've seen, and that is a game changer about the whole setting, character motivations and goals, and completely change the perspective about the end. Without it, it's useless as there is no way you would be satisfied with the words I would say without the whole context leading to it. So I'm just going to repeat, all important characters have some kind of happy ending in this story. It's too bad that this never got an english license since I could just say to read the book directly; as this is really the only way to understand the end. Sorry that I can't be more explicit about it. |
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| @snarensvend ah you're very confused in the second part. The mother and others are with Jean and are taking the place of Jean's "godfather" like you call him. Kyoka is a republic, and Jean's mentor/godfather was its elected leader during the whole story. All the peoples with Jean pretty much here shares the fact that they have that leader as their mentor. And it's that mentor that has the terrible habit to raise talent so that they'll be the best at what they do, but at the same time psychologically lock them away from happiness/peace of mind so that they'll keep doing their best and get better. So it's not Jean saying that line about not hoping for her to get happiness, it's their mentor/former Kyoka leader. BTW another person who got affected by that was no other than our little princess Chamille. The reason she hates herself /her blood is due to him. She was affected by him when she was held as a political hostage in Kyoka when she was very young. As a result she proved to be absurdly talented as a ruler; but it was also absolutely impossible for her to stop hating herself or accept happiness. Breaking this was one of the most important wish of Yatori before her death, and the reason why Icta made that final sacrifice that way. He indeed managed to free her from it, and as a result the country is now lead to a republic by her, and is in very good hands. And she's become a very bright and cheerful woman. Also the Alderan army simply left the mountain after the peace was agreed. |
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| It's from memory so I don't remember everything but I think the new part you posted about Aryo (the person you call godfather, leader of Kyoka republic during all the events of the story) are more or less correct. The girl descending from the airplane is Milvaquié, she's indeed a disciple from Aranai. She's also Chamille's best friend by the end of the story. I think you're correct in saying she appeared in vol 10; that was around that time. Amazing character btw. I'm not sure to properly remember who was with those two. I think it's another disciple of Aranai, and Milvaquié's old partner. If that's the case he was introduced at the same time as Milvaquié. The person who taught Chamille the Igsem sword style is indeed Yatori's dad. I'm not sure it was Torway mentioning that Milvaquié once was bent on sinking the Empire. it may have been his old partner, but maybe it's just me wrongly remembering that. Can't explain the mentions about the far past, the explanations take like half a volume to 1 volume long. For the last part. In a way it's reborn and in a way it's not. Their personality and memory (as in, the whole brain network)'s copy for those two were saved digitally. And in that future, they finally got the technology to use that save to try to make the saved copy function. |
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Akruze said: Can you guys elaborate on the part where Haroma is a double agent? What did she do/tried to do (more or less)? How Ikta found out about it? Was she simply forgiven for being a traitor? Sabotage and manipulation of officials, giving them subtly advices that would end up in worsening the situation of sedition and war in the country, while not leaving any evidence that she's the source of any of it.She was leading terrorist cells and subtly organizing/leading sedition groups and vast amount of citizen dissatisfied with the chaos that succeeded the former Emperor's death to move as one rather than the normal unorganized move you could expect from them, while making sure that the officials in charge of finding infos on the terrorist/sedition cells (including Matthew and Salislav) wouldn't find anything worth reporting (she was "helping them" searching for clues after all...) This ultimately culminated in her cornering the empress and her army in between rebels and fleeing imperial civilians led by Kyoka navy officers (and navy soldiers) that Haroma helped escaping (by organizing their prison break) from the Empire's prison on one side, and on the other side an army from Kyoka led by Jean, all of this too far away from other imperial armies to hope for help to arrive in time, and she was still inside the imperial ranks, making everything go wronger from the inside. If not for Icta coming back to his sense and coming to the North with Yatori's father leading reinforcements earlier than anyone could have expected, this would have been the end of the Empire right there. icta didn't immediately found out but he realized that some part of what went wrong could have only been done by someone very close of the Empress, and he recognised psychological signs of Haroma having a double personality. From there, he pieced things together and started to move to gather evidences about her movements. She was forgiven indeed, but she compensated for it by giving her best for the Empress. She has some incredibly heroic moments later in the story, including one where she fought her way out of a trap protecting alone the Empress, before separating from her, being captured and enduring very painful torture (and ends up with a body in shambles) without never revealing the location where she hid the Empress. When reinforcement finally arrived, she was saved but had to stay in an hospital bed for months afterwards, and for long it was very uncertain that she would get back the ability to use her right hand ever again, even with the best surgeon from the Empire watching over her. |
ZefyrisOct 3, 2020 6:36 AM
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ra13xe_ said: Do you guys know where I can find the complete content? I've looked far and wide and I have not seen the complete thing ._. That's because the complete content is only available in Japanese (and Chinese I think), it was never licensed in English. so you can buy the complete content in Japanese on website like amazon.co.jp or honto.jp for example. |
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Kaiz_ said: I think that there's also a fandom and similar thread like this on another website. Although I forgot what that website is but I only remember that the LN was a complete trash and some viewers did not continue the anime because of it. LN is excellent. What is trash is judging a story through a few half wrong spoilers and we got indeed quite a few peoples that fits that bill. |
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Zefyris said: I really haven't read the LN yet, I only said that it was trash because some readers said it was. I could have said it better xdKaiz_ said: I think that there's also a fandom and similar thread like this on another website. Although I forgot what that website is but I only remember that the LN was a complete trash and some viewers did not continue the anime because of it. LN is excellent. What is trash is judging a story through a few half wrong spoilers and we got indeed quite a few peoples that fits that bill.  |
Kaiz_ said: Zefyris said: I really haven't read the LN yet, I only said that it was trash because some readers said it was. I could have said it better xdLN is excellent. What is trash is judging a story through a few half wrong spoilers and we got indeed quite a few peoples that fits that bill. Yes, okay, but like I was saying. I've seen those posts you're talking about. None of them have read the entire novel, they've just read the beginning at most (sometimes not even that) and then a few spoilers about the end (with several volumes they've got no spoiler whatsoever for too...). |
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can you even read it anyway? Unless you can read chinese of japanese, it's not available to you. Also holy crap man I laughed so much when I saw your last addition in your plan to read list. That's the worst LN I've ever read, so good luck with that one lmao. The irony of having you saying you avoided "wasting your time" with a LN that is actually excellent , and you just adding during that same hour in your PTR list the biggest waste of time you could add among all the LNs I've read xD. |
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Biribiri10 said: aa786 said: thanks so much, my anxiety is calmedI re-watched the anime recently and forgot how good it was. Decided to try and fight out what actually happened in the light novels. There are technically no light novel translations after Volume 4 - not entirely sure why as it was actually pretty popular. I think the novel story-line in later volumes resulted in a lot of fans dropping the series. There was a black-lash in Japan as well regarding the way the story proceeded. I think that contributed to no-one really being bothered to translate it. On towards what actually happens. This is what I could piece together from checking out some Japanese blog sites where fans posted summaries & from the little summaries available in English posted by some lovely fans of the series - just basic what happened after LN4: That's why a lot of fans dropped the series and why the LN's never fully got translated. It's almost like there was a rush to finish the series regardless of the plot & story-line. Not sure why - but looking from the volume summaries it seems as though the author was going towards the quickest route to end the series - at least to me. Maybe pressure from the publisher to finish the story and move on to something else - who knows. But killing one the main characters of the series and a big part of the story - (Itka wanting to pull Yatori away from the path she was heading down) - was all destroyed in that one moment. A big chunk of storyline. If anyone wants to know what happened - that's the jist of it. why are you thanking someone who gave you so many wrong pieces of info? |
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