| Im not sure if it lowers your IQ (though if you're an Elfen Lied fan u have a low iq automatically), but yeah the escapism it promotes can be pretty alarming. Also anime gave birth to weeaboos already so it's harmful to society |
Klad said: Im not sure if it lowers your IQ (though if you're an Elfen Lied fan u have a low iq automatically), but yeah the escapism it promotes can be pretty alarming. Also anime gave birth to weeaboos already so it's harmful to society Completely agreed here. There's small wonder why Japan is facing a birthrate problem when anime keeps pumping out degenerate filth catered to the sick desires of weaboos everywhere. |
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| Too much of anything is bad for you. A simple but perilous rule of life. You always want to take things in moderation. Frostbytes said: This has a lot more to do with the work culture and economics in Japan than it has to do with anime, as can be seen in South Korea where the birth rates are even lower. In fact it has nothing to do with anime unless you're talking about the working conditions in making it.Klad said: Im not sure if it lowers your IQ (though if you're an Elfen Lied fan u have a low iq automatically), but yeah the escapism it promotes can be pretty alarming. Also anime gave birth to weeaboos already so it's harmful to society Completely agreed here. There's small wonder why Japan is facing a birthrate problem when anime keeps pumping out degenerate filth catered to the sick desires of weaboos everywhere. |
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| I used to be a straight A student now cuz of anime I got kicked out of school :( |
| your life is what you make it out to be, everyone have their own world. Anime lets you experience a different perspective and different worlds (fetishes for example) The reason why you say its "degenerate" "unrealistic" is because it deviates from what society think is normal. If you dont want to be called abnormal and a "weirdo weeb shit" you have to oblige by society standards and do what it thinks is normal. Get a family,normal job, think that way, speak that way, do this, do that. Whereas nowhere in life was there ever a confirmation or a set of rules on how you are supposed to live and what you are supposed to think or like. The point is: do whatever the heck you want lol, you have to have your own explanation for your timespenidng. If you think its degenarate? well ofcourse it will be, if you think it's productive and helps you be a better person, then it is. |
Klad said: if you're an Elfen Lied fan u have a low iq automatically  I mean its never given me false expectations just like how porn hasn't or anime given my friends false expectations to my knowledge If it had given people false expectations Im pretty sure people of today would look forward to dating a lot more than choosing to not date. I mean anime treats romance like if destiny is real and finding your soulmate is easy and things can be fixed super easily like Hollywood movies do and those don't seem to cause false expectations either unless its something minor like how hacking in TV series and movies is just typing really quickly or other small things people aren't knowledgable about for example. But people aren't stupid either and can see some things are just bull. Like how Predator 2018 treated Aspergers like if it was some kind of super power but no one really believes thats how it works |
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| Only harm anime can possibly do is to help escapism, in which case it's a fault of the viewer and not medium. Since there are plenty of other mediums that can be used for it just as well. In the end every negative thing is merely caused by human weakness, and anything can be used to aid it if people do not wish to keep it in check. No use blaming other things but humans themselves. Consumed reasonably it causes no harm. |
RetroBite said: tfw Japan is facing a birthrate problem and everyone cares. While my country is gonna go extinct in three decades and nobody cares. Do you live on mars? cuz I don't know any country that will be extinct in three decades. |
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| It really depends on the viewer but I would say that younger audiences might be affected by certain aspects of it. Me, for example, I was really affected by how friendship was presented in a lot of shounen anime, As a result I grew up having unrealistic expectations on how friendships are, and that it's not exactly like anime. |
| I mean most of those aren't exclusive to anime because you could argue for example fantasy novels do the same thing of promoting escapism it's also debatable whether that's even a negative aspect. Unrealistic expectations are the fault of the viewer not the product because what the viewer pulls out of the product is completely dependent on them as an individual. Just because I played GTA and went from a slum to a mansion, patched up fatal wounds by going to a hospital for about 6 hours, and managed to avoid authorities and even the military to do highly illegal operations just by driving really fast doesn't mean I should expect that to work in real life. The entire internet as an entity alone produces degenerate fetishes, how people are exposed to them hardly matters. IQ is a garbage measurement anyway even outside of there being no cause and effect correlation in this case. Most forms of entertainment prioritize feelings over critical thought, you could have the most sophisticated art piece ever crafted and if it can't get people emotionally invested then nobody cares. |
GamerDLMDec 10, 2018 5:36 PM
HeroicIdealism said: I actually think that anime and games can effect people. It can certainly give people an outlet into 'degenerate' fantasies and antisocial behavior instead of fueling that 'negative energy' into something beneficial to the world. If you don't mind me asking, how do you propose somebody go about using that "negative energy" as fuel for something you consider productive? |
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| I could agree with expectations. Giving false image about girls (not all) when you percieve them in anime as truth for Japan, yeah. Lower IQ? Nah, no way. MSG does. |
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| i mean compared to the other shit ive put in my body over the years anime cant be that bad. so idc |
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HeroicIdealism said: but like a lot of people watch lots of anime but still do productive stuff like school or work Manaban said: Work, charity, even making your own art. It's not hard to think of more productive activities than watching anime. It also depends on how much anime you watch, though. A few episodes a day will probably be harmless.If you don't mind me asking, how do you propose somebody go about using that "negative energy" as fuel for something you consider productive? |
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HeroicIdealism said: Work, charity, even making your own art. It's not hard to think of more productive activities than watching anime. It also depends on how much anime you watch, though. A few episodes a day will probably be harmless. I don't really think the reason people do these things are so simple that it can be reduced down to "lol do work or some charity stuff," and all you're advocating for is replacing a desire with something else entirely unrelated to that desire and can provide no actual outlet for as much. It's pointless and would accomplish nothing, which, frankly, is giving your stance the credibility that this is an actual problem that something should be done at all. Which, no, I don't think it really is. Unless you're advocating people drawn degen art with that specific example, I guess. Which I don't think you're doing so whatsoever. |
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| I think it depends on the viewer. It's not like everyone who's watching anime can't separate fiction and real-world expectations and ethics. This could also apply to other things outside the anime medium as well. It's not only anime that can have damaging effects to one's mental state. |
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HeroicIdealism said: But like those 20 shows don't all air on the same day. They're split up in a 7 day week cycle with each episode only being 20 minutes long. That means you'll be most likely watching just 2 or 3 episodes a day at most after work or school which is just 40 to 60 minutes. That leaves lots of time for other thingsDeknijff said: A moderate anime viewer, yes, I agree. Someone who watches a lot of anime, everyday, keeping up with 20+ seasonal shows... I can't imagine how they would possibly handle their free time other than watching anime. How will they help their community, connect with and provide for their family? I don't know.but like a lot of people watch lots of anime but still do productive stuff like school or work |
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| Maybe, it's certainly harmful to my wallet. |
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| This could easily be laid onto most forms of entertainment. |
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| Yes. It makes you dumber. Just ask all the anime fans i bullied on highschool what a bunch of losers (? |
| I never lie on the internet. What's the point of it... the chinese noodles ad is an anime and avatar isn't! triggered Check out my taste and my profile. |
HeroicIdealism said: Jesus, man, I didn't say that people do charity because "lol let's do charity stuff". How tf did you get that from my comment? ...because it was one of the examples you gave as something you think people should be spending their time doing instead, and the entire point of my comment was that redirecting energy and feelings towards unrelated outlets isn't really doing anything about said energy or mitigating the desire and existence to do whatever it is they want to do? HeroicIdealism said: It is more complicated than that, no doubt, but the end result is the same in either scenario: they choose plenty of more fulfilling activities to spend their time on than anime, or than arguing on an anime forum about how anime is a waste of time... as I am doing now. But it isn't fulfilling that energy. You do not want to stop watching anime or wanting to entertain yourself by going out and working. If anything, forcing yourself to not do certain things in favor of something that doesn't actually give an outlet for that energy is more likely to be a negative experience mentally for the person doing so than it is something actually helping them. Fulfillment isn't a singular umbrella, basically, where everything is mutually inclusive and just because you're doing something makes somebody fulfilled. It's solving pretty much nothing with anything, except making other people live a life that you yourself consider more acceptable. Also, acknowleding that it's more concrete than operating exclusively within certain parameters doesn't really change that you're reducing the definition of someone's well-being down to a uniform entity. Which is more or less the entire problem with your idea and what you want people to be doing instead, and that when we're discussing it outside of personal priorities and taking into the health and fulfillment of other people, is something I consider to be extremely negligent. HeroicIdealism said: Some desires are less selfish and help your community more, is all I was saying. In that sense, anime/games/incessant movie watching is harmful to the viewer. Meh. Self-harm does not mean "not helping out your community" or doing activities that you're deeming to be less selfish - in fact, in some cases it can very much be the opposite, and forcing them to go out and spend their freetime in a community would be more detrimental for them than sitting at home and spending their freetime in solitude and quiet. |
ManabanDec 10, 2018 6:06 PM
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| Anything can be harmful if consumed too much. But it's your fault for doing it, not the source. Also, anime, games, etc. do affect people's behavior, attitude, etc. in real life. To what level? That depends upon the individual himself/herself. |
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ecchiharemgeek said: HeroicIdealism said: I actually think that anime and games can affect people. It can certainly give people an outlet into 'degenerate' fantasies and antisocial behavior instead of fueling that 'negative energy' into something beneficial to the world. I honestly believe anime has been a negative force in my life. Expect there’s is 0 evadence to surport the claim that anime and video games have negative effect on people Like you said video games and anime can be a outlet No, there's plenty of evidence across all spectrums of media. It can. People are also more capable of putting up the wall between what's existing in fiction that they enjoy and how they want to be in reality, though, which feels like it's being more and more forgotten. It's just significantly less-insane to blame the individual in question and their mental state, rather than simply blaming all of the issues on the media they consume and using that as a tool to push against how fiction can be created and consumed. There's also a variety of things that I'd believe play more heavily into these things than the media itself, such as their surrounding environment at the given point in their lives and the environment of their upbringing. Media itself and consuming media is not an environment, it's an action being taken, and even in an extreme example where somebody literally does nothing but sit in their bedroom 24/7 and watch anime, the two things I stated before tend to play more of a factor as to what caused them to develop in such a way as opposed to the media itself simply existing to be consumed. The cases people are trying to state as a problem here to use as a vessel to criticize frequent media consumption would be extremely unlikely to be as simple as "lol I watched anime one day and suddenly, magically, it's the only thing I do" because circumstances like that often aren't simple in of themselves. |
ManabanDec 10, 2018 6:14 PM
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RetroBite said: Depends on what the viewer is using it for.Do you think anime is harmful towards the viewer? RetroBite said: Regarding what, and what such expectations can't be moderated by simply hanging out with real-life people?it gives you unrealistic expectations RetroBite said: So does every form of entertainment, arguably. Engagement of imagination is a good thing in reasonable amounts; OTOH if you're watching anime all day and not tending to your work or schoolwork, then yeah it's harmful.promotes escapism RetroBite said: If there's anything I've learned about fetishes, it's that one can't change them easily. OTOH, they're generally harmless, unless they specifically involve harming people. Even then, though, if all you're doing is arousing yourself while watching cartoons, then you're not actually harming anyone -- as long as you don't take the stuff that you enjoy in those cartoons and try to force them onto people in real life without their consent.degenerate fetishes RetroBite said: This makes no sense, unless you're attempting to raise a child simply by making them watch anime all day every day.lowers your IQ RetroBite said: There's quite a bit of critical thought to be considered in storytelling in general, and anime is no exception. While anime doesn't really encourage it specifically very much, it's certainly a thing that can be used should one choose to use it. It's just that I wouldn't rely on anime to teach this skill.encourages feelings over critical thought In summary, don't use anime as a substitute for a proper education for your children. |
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| no not sure about others but I think you gotta take a look at the viewers themselves are they easily influenced by media? are they emotionally unstable? do they have poor self-control? anime has been a positive influence to me and i enjoy exploring the historical/philosophical content of many of the series Ive watched as much as engaging in meaningful discussions with other fellow anime lovers |
| If your life becomes dictated by the media you consume, and that's affecting you negatively, don't blame the media, that's on the individual. |
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| Anything excessive is unhealthy and dangerous. Whatever your anime watching habits are, keep it minimal, don't forget about your real life responsibilities, and build a clear distinction between your reality and fictional escapism. |
| Meh, not really. It wasn't that long ago that most Americans didn't even know wtf anime is - they certainly didn't when I was HS because it wasn't available. And today I'm sure it pales in comparison to gaming if we're talking lost productivity. |
| For many newer anime viewers and they slowly liked anime, they will becomes a weaboo. Its really harmful for my deep heart because they looked so pathetic and annoyed people around |
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| No I don't think this medium is harmful because if you ever do any harm to yourself that'd be your fault, because you are responsible for your life and how you spend it, not the people who work in this industry. So, if you're wasting your life because of this medium, it's not really their fault, it's yours. |
| Of course it is harmful. Animu is made by Satanic Illuminati Jew-Reptiloids from Nibiru with the sole purpose of driving humanity to extinction. Waek up, sheeple. |
| 100% sure that it's harmful towards the viewer Keenesleyar said: Of course it is harmful. Animu is made by Satanic Illuminati Jew-Reptiloids from Nibiru with the sole purpose of driving humanity to extinction. Waek up, sheeple. nah, it's made by japanese government which has an agenda > Japan has declining birthrates and romance and their entire "culture" revolves around promoting it. They have the most love hotels, it's a given norm in japan for girls to dress "cute" which is actually sexually attractive and pushes males into attraction which also pushes them into seeking partner and eventually romance. Japan is also huge in the porn industry and they cater to all sorts of specific fetishes (and have done so for a long time) because they acknowledge all of it so that brings me to school uniforms. School uniforms are NOT practical and there's nothing "reasonable "about them but they are INCREDIBLY sexually attractive. School uniform (knee socks/pantyhose but i also accept thigh-highs) has been my favorite outfit in this universe ever since i saw anime for the first time and if they existed in my country i would most likely not become a neet shut-in. In my country girls used to dress like guys and it was unattractive so it reduced the incentive to care about romance at a younger age and then i got broken school uniform is one of the more wide-spread fetishes (which is good for me cause i can find "content" easier for myself) so i'm not the only person who finds them attractive. The whole point of school uniforms are to appeal to horny boys so they can seek girlfriends and eventually romance so they can help with japan's problem on top of that Japan also has traditions where girls are supposed to give chocolate and not the other way around and in general they try to reward males and motivate them because their work-culture is soul-crushing and is the main reason why they don't want to reproduce. They are lifeless shells and anime is the "mask" that attempts to fix/cover that and to set them on a more productive path The west is much more 'lax' and free with this shit but the west has another problem and that's the white-male undermining which is happening right now and all that political shit surrounding SJWs and trying to destroy the male mentality (and it's working). In the west you need to find the strength to be overly confident alpha or you'll just perish and die all alone, like me, only for not being an intrusive overly-exaggerated overly-confident 'alpha' that sort of bets all they have by acting in some unrealistically confident way and hoping it works. I don't think the West will last much longer unless they start trying to copy some of the east/japan's mentality where females have a lot more initiative and are pushed by their culture to try to appeal to men more anime is not pure , japan is not pure , they force sexual fetishes(pantyhose, socks, uniform/skirt) on teenage girls from young age and they have an agenda for it. The world's masturbation champ (who has a girlfriend) did his record on anime because according to his words its much easier and it turns on people easier (which is what its purpose is) - you can find him on YT |
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| If we go full retard on logics. Then everything that doesn't increase production and technological advancement and so on. Is essentially a "harmful" thing. So basically any hobby that isn't directly any use to logical development. But since we are humans with complex brain and vast emotions. It is our choice what we do or do not. Plus every human has their own things they enjoy for no logical reason. (pseudo "soul brand") I've been always odd person. So can't say much. But in works of fiction. Ofc it helps to discover all sorts of kinks, fetishes and oddities. But at the same time have the brain to separate reality and fiction, plus any of oddity can be actually fulfilled without force or harm, is as well a bonus. It also probably helps to set your views and moral compass in comparison to what is commonly outside and what you see in fiction. Thus set your own view the way you want instead just follow how "all do". IQ'wise I don't know. I'm guessing depending on person. If you are positive any sort of activity will boost your IQ. Whilst depressed guy like me. IQ is whatever it is, it doesn't particularly raise or drop. It just kinda soaks around. Giving important to emotion is very important aspect of human creature. We will eventually have AI world anyways (if world ain't gone by then.) Let them be all critical, logical and calculating. IN another words I'm not too much of fan of overly "logical" people. escapism is essentially any activity that helps you soothe your issues in life. (that can't be fixed, too hard to fix or don't want to fix etc..) So yeah. As whole it's not harmful. |
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RetroBite said: Like, it gives you unrealistic expectations, promotes escapism, degenerate fetishes, lowers your IQ, encourages feelings over critical thought. And that are just a few surface level examples. But then again, what isn't harmful nowadays. Anyway, I'm not attacking the medium, just wondering. Discuss! "Unrealistic expectations" is modern life in a nutshell. As a kid, I was clever (and I still am), and adults told me I'm going to be successful in life. It was a lie - being smart is not conductive to personal success, whether financial or reproductive. So why do you even consider "lowers IQ" or "encourages feelings over critical thought" to be bad things? Probably because you're a pansy conformist incapable of critical thought, that's why. Critical thought gives a person feelings. Feelings of hatred, and desire for change. Real life cannot provide an outlet for these feelings. Not unless you paint it red with blood of your enemies. That's why we need escapism. We know exactly what needs to be done in real life to "help the community". We just lack spirit and resolve to do it. Or maybe we just have too much conscience and empathy. justcaolan said: I used to be a straight A student now cuz of anime I got kicked out of school :( Good start. Now you're well on the way to get wealthy by robbing other people, and have all the girls love you. Real world is screwed-up like that. J0seph said: It really depends on the viewer but I would say that younger audiences might be affected by certain aspects of it. Me, for example, I was really affected by how friendship was presented in a lot of shounen anime, As a result I grew up having unrealistic expectations on how friendships are, and that it's not exactly like anime. Anime isn't special in this way. You'll find meaningful and strong friendships everywhere - whether it's My Little Pony or soviet children's literature, friendship is a very strong thing that everyone seems to have. Not so in reality. Reality is a lonely place. HeroicIdealism said: Deknijff said: but like a lot of people watch lots of anime but still do productive stuff like school or work A moderate anime viewer, yes, I agree. Someone who watches a lot of anime, everyday, keeping up with 20+ seasonal shows... I can't imagine how they would possibly handle their free time other than watching anime. How will they help their community, connect with and provide for their family? I don't know. I find your expectation that a normal person will help their community to be alien. Like, sure, an unusually good person would spend a few hours a month doing good things, but why do you expect people to be doing so many good things it impacts their timetable? Also, it's entertainment activities like watching anime together that provide a connection with one's family. Manaban said: ecchiharemgeek said: Expect there’s is 0 evadence to surport the claim that anime and video games have negative effect on people Like you said video games and anime can be a outlet No, there's plenty of evidence across all spectrums of media. It can. People are also more capable of putting up the wall between what's existing in fiction that they enjoy and how they want to be in reality, though, which feels like it's being more and more forgotten. No, there isn't. Any known experiments only show short-term effects. If affecting people with propaganda was possible, Soviet Union with its mighty propaganda machine would not have fallen. Rio_ said: For many newer anime viewers and they slowly liked anime, they will becomes a weaboo. Its really harmful for my deep heart because they looked so pathetic and annoyed people around So, you consider nazis like yourself, who insist on having their culture unsullied, to have more moral weight than people's right to seek happiness? I cannot agree with that. |
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