| Well being into iM@S for years, this thing doesn't shock me anymore. I don't know if it's a good because I'm now somehow more tolerant or a bad thing because anime degeneracy has now corrupted me. |
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Hakisak said: oryouohagi said: Oh my god, how did your opinion change of the show, after this big reveal? it changed a lot, lily was one of my favorites from the show and I was excited for the Doujins/r34's. but now not so much. I know a lot of people will disagree with that but not all of us are gay, so please be respectful, if that makes sense. Aren't we all a little gay? Fushitsusha said: 1) she’s trans, not a “trap”, and if a trans character being portrayed in a positive fashion makes you so upset/weirded out there’s something wrong with you 2) she’s canonically 12 years old, so stop being hornballs over her being a “TRAP WAIFU” you fucking creeps Yeah, I stand corrected, she is a trans, although can't deny the whole setting gives her a trap nature. On the 12yo part, we could argue, I think she's a lot more, but we are still treading on the hazardous field of necrophilia, so I won't go further down on this line of thought. |
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Bibimbapski said: I figured as much especially after Lily grew a single hair on his chin and the name: MASAO. Also, Lily-chan used to be called Masao-kun , so that too I guess other than the name and the single hair. |
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Hellitself said: I really overestimated the intelligence of the people in this community... Have y'all never heard of a trans person? Yeah, as I said, I stand corrected. She's a trans, although I think being a trap still stands in this case? As the viewer didn't know from the get go? |
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oryouohagi said: Yeah, as I said, I stand corrected. She's a trans, although I think being a trap still stands in this case? As the viewer didn't know from the get go? How does that make somebody a trap? Trans people just want to be seen as their preferred gender |
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EvenJellyOn said: oryouohagi said: Yeah, as I said, I stand corrected. She's a trans, although I think being a trap still stands in this case? As the viewer didn't know from the get go? How does that make somebody a trap? Trans people just want to be seen as their preferred gender I think being a "trap" is just a narrative trope, not a gender or anything. A trap is a character, that is not the certain sex they seem to be for the viewer, and has little to do with the gender they identify with. That being said, a trap could be any gender they chose, it really is just about how they are perceived by the viewer. But that's just my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong |
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They are right though, she is a trans, although I don't think being trans automatically closes out being a trap. oryouohagi said: I think being a "trap" is just a narrative trope, not a gender or anything. A trap is a character, that is not the certain sex they seem to be for the viewer, and has little to do with the gender they identify with. That being said, a trap could be any gender they chose, it really is just about how they are perceived by the viewer. But that's just my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong |
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Reybun said: OzuHanoi said: yeah btw tr*p is a transphobic term would you please mind not using it, thanks a lot Fushitsusha said: 1) she’s trans, not a “trap”, and if a trans character being portrayed in a positive fashion makes you so upset/weirded out there’s something wrong with you 2) she’s canonically 12 years old, so stop being hornballs over her being a “TRAP WAIFU” you fucking creeps Hellitself said: I really overestimated the intelligence of the people in this community... Have y'all never heard of a trans person? Hey, psst... come closer, I want to reveal you something... THIS. Japan will continue to use traps as a means of comedy and very few people actually care. They will also continue to sexualize women, underaged children, etc. as a means of comedy too. If people are offended by these things then they should stop watching Japanese Anime and reading Japanese manga too. It's not meant for people who are easily offended. Otaku men and women in Japan sexualize their faves all the time, just look their fanart. |
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| It came from one of the "non-binary" "they/them" types, it most likely was serious. Slightly funny image. |
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oryouohagi said: Oh my god, how did your opinion change of the show, after this big reveal? It was a good anime before and continues to be a good anime now. Why anynone's "opinion" would "change" with the last episode? I have to say. Good things are good. Well done things even better. But, I disagree a bit with this vision that some have that, just because a series ticks some positive flags it becomes "better", "worth it". The quality of Zombieland Saga remains the same after this episode, it didn't became good or better just because it's trans friendly. The reason I don't like this very much is the implication that other series are lesser if they don't include this side, like it was obligatory. And I can add that it wasn't as good as it should be, this episode, because how Yuugiri was neglected. |
PaninaManinaNov 24, 2018 8:53 AM
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Gogetters said: It came from one of the "non-binary" "they/them" types, it most likely was serious. i gotta go with an oof for this one chief. that some nasty remarks there |
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PaninaManina said: The reason I don't like this very much is the implication that other series are lesser if they don't include this side, like it was obligatory. And I can add that it wasn't as good as it should be, this episode, because how Yuugiri was neglected. This is not a zero-sum game. Just because an anime is now considered better on its OWN scale for depicting progressive ideas, that doesn't mean other shows will be considered worse for not doing so. Most of the time, other shows' themes don't even encourage such ideas, let alone depict them explicitly, thus this show being able to do so is a GOOD thing on it's own. At least that's how I see it. |
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oryouohagi said: This is not a zero-sum game. Just because an anime is now considered better on its OWN scale for depicting progressive ideas, that doesn't mean other shows will be considered worse for not doing so. Most of the time, other shows' themes don't even encourage such ideas, let alone depict them explicitly, thus this show being able to do so is a GOOD thing on it's own. At least that's how I see it. I agree that's a good thing. A part of the reason, the way it was so "neutral" ended being a point of controversy. Many are showing not being able to process tne narrative and accept what really happened. |
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PaninaManina said: oryouohagi said: This is not a zero-sum game. Just because an anime is now considered better on its OWN scale for depicting progressive ideas, that doesn't mean other shows will be considered worse for not doing so. Most of the time, other shows' themes don't even encourage such ideas, let alone depict them explicitly, thus this show being able to do so is a GOOD thing on it's own. At least that's how I see it. I agree that's a good thing. A part of the reason, the way it was so "neutral" ended being a point of controversy. Many are showing not being able to process tne narrative and accept what really happened. I saw a bunch of people not even realizing the whole situation on twitter too. It completely went by their heads, and when they realized what was going on, they raged about it. Although it's not like it was depicted in any harmful or over-the-line way either. It was pretty neautral, just like you said. |
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Gogetters said: Slightly funny image. Glad someone compiled an image like that. I've seen a lot of nasty stuff on Twitter, much of it threatens or encourages physical harm. Unfortunately, this is the kind of crowd Zombieland Saga has drawn in. If you even look at any discussion about it, it's nothing but this garbage and cursing "cis males". In the end, these are the people who never cared about the show. They won't be buying the merchandise, they won't be buying the DVDs, hell they weren't even here for the first 6 episodes. They only now seem to care because of this one episode. Remember when watching this show was about cute zombies doing hilarious stuff? |
| My opinion on the anime won't change, is just a stupid comedy that lost its charm after episode 2. Also, does liking a zombie trap makes you gay and necrophiliac? |
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Fushitsusha said: 1) she’s trans, not a “trap”, and if a trans character being portrayed in a positive fashion makes you so upset/weirded out there’s something wrong with you 2) she’s canonically 12 years old, so stop being hornballs over her being a “TRAP WAIFU” you fucking creeps With all due respect. Who the fuck cares if is a she or a he? Is just a character from a season anime, there's no valid reason to go full berserker on this. |
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Fushitsusha said: DonDask said: With all due respect. Who the fuck cares if is a she or a he? Is just a character from a season anime, there's no valid reason to go full berserker on this. i mean seeing as this thread is full of people proclaiming the character is “ruined”, calling her a boy and “he”, saying they’re gonna drop the show because of a trans character, it seems like a lot of people care. also, as a trans girl, i care if people are being transphobic nonces. we exist, and having a positively-portrayed trans character for once is a good thing Ohhh, you're trans? I wasn't aware of that, I don't look the profiles of the people on this forum. And, about the positively-portrayed trans character I think that there are other form of media that does that even better, I starting to think that maybe she was revealed as a trap or a trans (I go with the first one) because they know that adding that sells, and a lot. If you take a look at most modern anime, they add "traps" because the male audiece buys all that crap, not because they want to portray transgenders |
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Todd_ said: Gogetters said: Slightly funny image. Glad someone compiled an image like that. I've seen a lot of nasty stuff on Twitter, much of it threatens or encourages physical harm. Unfortunately, this is the kind of crowd Zombieland Saga has drawn in. If you even look at any discussion about it, it's nothing but this garbage and cursing "cis males". In the end, these are the people who never cared about the show. They won't be buying the merchandise, they won't be buying the DVDs, hell they weren't even here for the first 6 episodes. They only now seem to care because of this one episode. Remember when watching this show was about cute zombies doing hilarious stuff? Are you serious? People here are denying the existence of a trans character based on absolutely nothing but denial or blatantly lying about the text of the show. And you are here taking seriously a few random comments on Twitter. Uh, what about not being so fucking one-sided in this discussion. |
jal90Nov 24, 2018 1:14 PM
jal90 said: Todd_ said: Glad someone compiled an image like that. I've seen a lot of nasty stuff on Twitter, much of it threatens or encourages physical harm. Unfortunately, this is the kind of crowd Zombieland Saga has drawn in. If you even look at any discussion about it, it's nothing but this garbage and cursing "cis males". In the end, these are the people who never cared about the show. They won't be buying the merchandise, they won't be buying the DVDs, hell they weren't even here for the first 6 episodes. They only now seem to care because of this one episode. Remember when watching this show was about cute zombies doing hilarious stuff? Are you serious? People here are denying the existence of a trans character based on absolutely nothing but denial or blatantly lying about the text of the show. And you are here taking seriously a few random comments on Twitter. Uh, what about not being so fucking one-sided in this discussion. Encouragement or threats of violence is never ok, no matter what side of the aisle you stand on. I just can't help but laugh at those who only now care about the show. It's so disingenuous. You can believe Lily is trans if you want, that's up to you. But for me, this is nothing more than a trope trap character that's riding on the coattails of popular characters like Alstofo. Nothing more. |
| My opinion of the show improved. The episode was really well done. My opinion of the fandom, however... As part of them myself, I must say I’m completely embarrassed. |
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Todd_ said: jal90 said: Are you serious? People here are denying the existence of a trans character based on absolutely nothing but denial or blatantly lying about the text of the show. And you are here taking seriously a few random comments on Twitter. Uh, what about not being so fucking one-sided in this discussion. Encouragement or threats of violence is never ok, no matter what side of the aisle you stand on. I just can't help but laugh at those who only now care about the show. It's so disingenuous. You can believe Lily is trans if you want, that's up to you. But for me, this is nothing more than a trope trap character that's riding on the coattails of popular characters like Alstofo. Nothing more. Let's be clear here. I don't mind your personal opinion. But you are trying to shift the blame to people who interpret this as trans content based on a few Twitter comments out of context. You know that people in this thread alone have said very disgusting transphobic shit, right? |
OzuHanoi said: yeah btw tr*p is a transphobic term would you please mind not using it, thanks a lot LMAO, try to stop me from calling Lily a trap |
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Rhete said: She's transgender Says who? #30characterlimit |
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Yngvar_VI said: OzuHanoi said: yeah btw tr*p is a transphobic term would you please mind not using it, thanks a lot LMAO, try to stop me from calling Lily a trap Call her whatever you want, if that makes you content. |
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Yngvar_VI said: OzuHanoi said: yeah btw tr*p is a transphobic term would you please mind not using it, thanks a lot LMAO, try to stop me from calling Lily a trap Do you feel positive emotions when you go against instructions people politely gave you? Am I supposed to see this as a proof that you are someone who's right, or at least have a life or a reason for just not being a total dumbass on the Internet? I think not. Do not talk to me again if it is for telling me such stupid bullshit. I have no time to lose with you people. Thanks. |
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PaninaManina said: For those still in denial is good to point out that the anime made very clear what it was doing. Ah lol I didnt even notice her underwear when I was watching. But Lily is indeed trans and not that other thing. |
| Seeing people on twitter butthurt about the trans girl has made me want to watch this show. |
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PaninaManina said: For those still in denial is good to point out that the anime made very clear what it was doing. As for my thoughts about Lily now: |
LineraxNov 24, 2018 3:29 PM
oryouohagi said: I think being a "trap" is just a narrative trope, not a gender or anything. A trap is a character, that is not the certain sex they seem to be for the viewer, and has little to do with the gender they identify with. That being said, a trap could be any gender they chose, it really is just about how they are perceived by the viewer. But that's just my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong Trap is more just crossdressing (think that girl from Danganronpa) and not transgender characters like this and Steins Gate. |
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EvenJellyOn said: oryouohagi said: I think being a "trap" is just a narrative trope, not a gender or anything. A trap is a character, that is not the certain sex they seem to be for the viewer, and has little to do with the gender they identify with. That being said, a trap could be any gender they chose, it really is just about how they are perceived by the viewer. But that's just my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong Trap is more just crossdressing (think that girl from Danganronpa) and not transgender characters like this and Steins Gate. I think being a trap is a bigger category, than what being a trans is, or even what a character's chosen gender or sex is for that matter. She's a trap, because her sex is not what the viewer percieved up to the point of the reveal. |
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Lobinde said: Their only evidence that the line about Lily being trans is fake "propaganda" from crunchyroll is from some "japanese expert" who thinks that "arigato goshimashita" is how you say thank you in Japanese. I don't watch this show, but the whole drama popped on my twitter timeline and I have to say it was on of the best self-owns I ever seen lol https://twitter.com/Xythar/status/1066356199199662085 |
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Anime_Emperor said: PaninaManina said: For those still in denial is good to point out that the anime made very clear what it was doing. The pattern from the bottom of the trans flag is blue, Pink, White, Pink, Blue. While her clothes were blue, Pink, White, BLUE. The color scheme is clearly different. The message is clear even if the colours aren't in the exact same order. Stay in denial bucko |
PaninaManina said: For those still in denial is good to point out that the anime made very clear what it was doing. Does that change Lilys from not being a trap tho? |
Omelettecat said: I think it’s pretty cool to have a trans character in a popular airing show like this. I feel pretty much the same about her as I did before, and it definitely adds a lot of character depth ^pretty much my thought as well following this episode. Kinda baffling to me how much rage something ultimately trivial (to those complaining, at least) like this can produce. Like, there aren't more productive uses of one's energy? lol Jin_uzuki said: Lobinde said: Their only evidence that the line about Lily being trans is fake "propaganda" from crunchyroll is from some "japanese expert" who thinks that "arigato goshimashita" is how you say thank you in Japanese. I don't watch this show, but the whole drama popped on my twitter timeline and I have to say it was on of the best self-owns I ever seen lol https://twitter.com/Xythar/status/1066356199199662085 Surprised I missed this. That level of self-own shouldn't be possible outside of a team effort. Incredible stuff. |
When you mentioned that: Someone asked about Lily in /r/OutOfTheLoop and the post could reach the frontpage of Reddit for anyone to see (/r/popular). https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/9zz153/what_is_going_on_with_lily_from_zombieland_saga/ |
| I'm glad I am not the only one that didn't know she was a trans girl even after watching the episode lol. I thought i was an idiot |
| wow a lot of people getting worked up over a fictional character backstory not being to there liking. |
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Lobinde said: No you dolt, there is no message in this show. Keep your political shit off this show.Anime_Emperor said: The pattern from the bottom of the trans flag is blue, Pink, White, Pink, Blue. While her clothes were blue, Pink, White, BLUE. The color scheme is clearly different. The message is clear even if the colours aren't in the exact same order. Stay in denial bucko |
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Botan-Chan45 said: STFU PLS, she/he isnt a fucking tranny. Also to the tard saying it's a pride flag, its missing some shit you idiot. Fucking hate when people try to push a political message into a show that has none. why does it matter if they are trans? doesn't make it political. people write characters for the sake of characters. its not like anime hasn't had them before. look at shangiri la and gatchaman crowds. |
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