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Nov 5, 2018 1:03 AM
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The South Korean first lady, Kim Jung-sook, is in the northern Indian state of Uttar Pradesh where she is visiting the ancient city of Ayodhya. Ayodhya, which is best known as the birthplace of the Hindu god Ram, also however, holds special significance for some South Koreans - many believe they can trace their ancestry to the city. This belief comes from several historical Korean stories which tells the story of an Indian princess - Suriratna - who married a South Korean king and started a dynasty. What does the legend say? According to the legend, Princess Suriratna, also known as Heo Hwang-ok, went to Korea in 48 AD, some 2000 years ago, and started the Karak dynasty by marrying a local king. Some Chinese-language texts claim that the then King of Ayodhya had a dream where God ordered him to send his 16-year-old daughter in South Korea to marry King Kim Suro. A popular South Korean book comprising fables and historical stories, Samguk Yusa (Memorabilia of the Three Kingdoms), mentions that Queen Hwang-ok was the princess of "Ayuta" kingdom. The royal couple prospered. They had 10 sons and both lived to be over a 150 years old. An anthropologist named Kim Byung-mo Ayuta appeared to confirm the widely held belief that Ayuta was actually Ayodhya, as the two names are phonetically similar. But there is no clear evidence to show that the princess even actually existed. "Her origin story is considered to be mythical and is not considered to be history by academics," says David Cann of the BBC's Korean Service. "There have been several fictional renditions of the story as there is plenty of room for imagination." The Karak dynasty Kim is a common surname in Korea and King Kim Suro is considered to be the father of the Kim clan which is based in Gimhae. "While traditionally children in Korea take their father's surname, the queen is said to have been sad that her children could not bear her surname," says Minji Lee of the BBC Korean Service. "The legend says that therefore King Suro allowed two of their sons to take her name (Heo), which is used to this day." Today, historians say, descendants of the couple number more than six million, which is roughly about 10% of the South Korean population. People from the Karak dynasty have also preserved the rocks that are said to have been used by the princess during her sea voyage to Korea to keep her boat stable. Former South Korean president Kim-Dae Jung and former prime minister Kim Jong-Pil claim their ancestry to the Karak dynasty. Is the legend popular in South Korea? Some of our colleagues in the BBC Korean Service say that they have heard about this legend but don't believe it's a widely talked-about story because "it goes back so far in the past". "I remember hearing about it when I was in primary school or junior high and my friends and I were fascinated how our ancestry involves someone from so far away," says Ms Lee. Some say that there is speculation that the princess is actually from Thailand since Ayuta may actually be Thailand's Ayutthaya Kingdom. Stories on the internet say that some people from Gimhae refer to this legend "like a family joke" especially if they have darker skin, attributing it to their "ancestor who may or may not have come from India". "Some believe that while it may be true that she came from a 'southern country over an ocean' the story was heavily embellished when Buddhism took root in Korea," says Mr Cann, who also remembers going for a musical rendition of the legend as a child. How has the legend impacted modern ties? An agreement was signed to develop Ayodhya and Gimhae as sister cities in 2000. Then in 2001, more than 100 historians and government representatives, including the North Korean ambassador to India, unveiled Queen Hwang-ok's memorial on the west bank of the River Saryu in Ayodhya. Every year, people who claim to be from the queen's lineage come to Ayodhya to pay tribute to the princess at her motherland. In 2016, a Korean delegation sent a proposal to the Uttar Pradesh government to further develop the memorial. As part of her visit from 4 to 7 November, the first lady will attend a ceremony that marks a start on the upgrade of the monument - a joint project between South Korea and India. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-46055285 6 million Koreans have descended from that couple . Is that even possible x_x |
Nov 5, 2018 1:08 AM
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Are you that #proudtobeindian guy that was here not long ago ? |
Nov 5, 2018 1:10 AM
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Swagernator said: Are you that #proudtobeindian guy that was here not long ago ? Who 😜 Not me . You are mistaking me for someone else . |
Nov 5, 2018 3:16 AM
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So, Korea is an multicultural country, and some Korean have indian ancestry. Is it true, that South Korea is not an homogeneous country at all??? |
Nov 5, 2018 3:55 AM
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ahh.. uhh... this has been believed for centuries... south east has the legendary r/datu/[d]hyang sima.... the eastern trade is that big.. japan also has one IIRC... |
Nov 5, 2018 7:55 AM
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down with the monarchy down with the monarchy power to the people |
"my life at this state could be transposed into a pretty massive biography" - Cneq, "the guy who was literally using BTC in 2012 to make deals in the first main instance of a digital itemized economy forming naturally in all human history (also the precursor of NFTs) and who had 20k+ total trades.", 23 years old MAL's most prolific antivaxxer, Noboru. |
Nov 5, 2018 8:24 AM
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Railey2 said: back to monarchydown with the monarchy down with the monarchy power to the people Back to monarchy People are corrupt Wise men say , power corrupts men . Then why not power to women 😂 |
Nov 5, 2018 10:51 AM
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Never heard about it, but it seems somewhat interesting. Railey2 said: I would much rather have him as a symbolic ruler than each time a quite indirectly elected president who doesn't seem to care about representing his own culture and people. Monarchy creates stability and gives the people some role models. down with the monarchy |
Nov 5, 2018 10:58 AM
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Pretty cool Noboru said: Ha ha, Sweden is still a monarchyI would much rather have him as a symbolic ruler than each time a quite indirectly elected president who doesn't seem to care about representing his own culture and people. Monarchy creates stability and gives the people some role models. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Nov 5, 2018 11:15 AM
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Comic_Sans said: You're quite lucky in that regard. Oh speaking of which: apparently, some Indian guy came by bike to Sweden to meet his royal lover:Pretty cool Noboru said: Ha ha, Sweden is still a monarchyI would much rather have him as a symbolic ruler than each time a quite indirectly elected president who doesn't seem to care about representing his own culture and people. Monarchy creates stability and gives the people some role models. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/04/pk-mahanandia-cycle-india-sweden-love-untouchable/ But whatever. Most royals in Europe have German blood, anyway. |
Nov 5, 2018 12:01 PM
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Noboru said: Comic_Sans said: You're quite lucky in that regard. Oh speaking of which: apparently, some Indian guy came by bike to Sweden to meet his royal lover:Pretty cool Noboru said: I would much rather have him as a symbolic ruler than each time a quite indirectly elected president who doesn't seem to care about representing his own culture and people. Monarchy creates stability and gives the people some role models. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/04/pk-mahanandia-cycle-india-sweden-love-untouchable/ But whatever. Most royals in Europe have German blood, anyway. quite lucky to have a king or queen who beheads people for disobeying? monarchy and dictatorship walk hand in hand often ^ this people forget that theirs a reason we moved away from monarchy. |
GrimAtramentNov 5, 2018 12:05 PM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Nov 5, 2018 12:35 PM
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Swagernator said: Are you that #proudtobeindian guy that was here not long ago ? lol yep its him ProudAsian and this guy should join forces |
Nov 5, 2018 1:06 PM
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hazarddex said: Name me just one country with a king or queen in Europe who beheads people. Pro tip: you can't, because the death penalty has long been abolished over here.quite lucky to have a king or queen who beheads people for disobeying? The complete removal of royalty from power was a very bad idea for the stability of Germany. |
Nov 5, 2018 2:00 PM
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Noboru said: hazarddex said: Name me just one country with a king or queen in Europe who beheads people. Pro tip: you can't, because the death penalty has long been abolished over here.quite lucky to have a king or queen who beheads people for disobeying? The complete removal of royalty from power was a very bad idea for the stability of Germany. elizabeth the first england king john england Caligula romen empire vlad the impailer Romania or did you mean in modern time because pro tip. basically all royal families have been removed as government figures. even the current queen of england is more figure head then actual political leader. cool they can't kill you directly they will just throw you in a cell for the rest of your life monarchies suck. i find it laughable that you try to romanticize the middle ages. |
GrimAtramentNov 5, 2018 2:03 PM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Nov 5, 2018 2:23 PM
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Noboru said: hazarddex said: Name me just one country with a king or queen in Europe who beheads people. Pro tip: you can't, because the death penalty has long been abolished over here.quite lucky to have a king or queen who beheads people for disobeying? The complete removal of royalty from power was a very bad idea for the stability of Germany. why do you worship germany so much |
Nov 5, 2018 2:33 PM
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hazarddex said: And that's the kind of thing I want to have for Germany, too. If we have to waste tax money for a useless position, at least let it be some where the royal family can pay more for a dignified and worthy representation of Germany and for which we don't have to pretend that our symbolic representative gets democratically elected.even the current queen of england is more figure head then actual political leader. cool they can't kill you directly they will just throw you in a cell for the rest of your life Name me a single case where a monarch in Europe in contemporary times has thrown someone in a cell for life.ExecCute said: Because it's my mother country and because, there are so many people disliking the German nation, both from inside and outside.why do you worship germany so much |
Nov 5, 2018 2:38 PM
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Noboru said: hazarddex said: And that's the kind of thing I want to have for Germany, too. If we have to waste tax money for a useless position, at least let it be some where the royal family can pay more for a dignified and worthy representation of Germany and for which we don't have to pretend that our symbolic representative gets democratically elected.even the current queen of england is more figure head then actual political leader. cool they can't kill you directly they will just throw you in a cell for the rest of your life Name me a single case where a monarch in Europe in contemporary times has thrown someone in a cell for life.ExecCute said: Because it's my mother country and because, there are so many people disliking the German nation, both from inside and outside.why do you worship germany so much i don't dislike Germany i just dislike people who undermine individuality and try to force everyone to act as a hivemind. or disallow people form loving and living in a country because there skins not the right color. then you don't want a monarchy you want a figure head. a monoarchy are government figures who RULE. the current day monarchy for the most part are Monarchy in name only i.e figure heads. |
GrimAtramentNov 5, 2018 2:44 PM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Nov 5, 2018 2:38 PM
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Noboru said: hazarddex said: And that's the kind of thing I want to have for Germany, too. If we have to waste tax money for a useless position, at least let it be some where the royal family can pay more for a dignified and worthy representation of Germany and for which we don't have to pretend that our symbolic representative gets democratically elected.even the current queen of england is more figure head then actual political leader. cool they can't kill you directly they will just throw you in a cell for the rest of your life Name me a single case where a monarch in Europe in contemporary times has thrown someone in a cell for life.ExecCute said: Because it's my mother country and because, there are so many people disliking the German nation, both from inside and outside.why do you worship germany so much why don't you do research instead of blindly worshiping germany? your country's not perfect and neither is mine. |
Nov 5, 2018 2:45 PM
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hazarddex said: I don't undermine individuality. But it seems pointless trying to tell you how a symbolic monarchy would boost the morals of the country, keep the people united and might thus prevent it from imploding and from splitting up due to a lack of common culture.i don't dislike Germany i just dislike people who undermine individuality and try to force everyone to act as a hivemind. ExecCute said: Already did:why don't you do research instead of blindly worshiping germany? your country's not perfect and neither is mine. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1733911 |
Nov 5, 2018 2:46 PM
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Noboru said: hazarddex said: I don't undermine individuality. But it seems pointless trying to tell you how a symbolic monarchy would boost the morals of the country and might thus prevent it from imploding.i don't dislike Germany i just dislike people who undermine individuality and try to force everyone to act as a hivemind. ExecCute said: Already did:why don't you do research instead of blindly worshiping germany? your country's not perfect and neither is mine. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1733911 maybe that because your talking to a guy who comes from a country that said fuck kings and rebelled. or maybe its because i don't see the appeal of having a man or woman acting high and mighty and telling me to kneel before them. also if that the cause what do you have against people of non German decent and love your country living there? hmm? seems counter intuitive |
GrimAtramentNov 5, 2018 2:51 PM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Nov 5, 2018 2:46 PM
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Noboru said: hazarddex said: I don't undermine individuality. But it seems pointless trying to tell you how a symbolic monarchy would boost the morals of the country and might thus prevent it from imploding.i don't dislike Germany i just dislike people who undermine individuality and try to force everyone to act as a hivemind. ExecCute said: Already did:why don't you do research instead of blindly worshiping germany? your country's not perfect and neither is mine. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1733911 you're clearly very biased though. |
Nov 5, 2018 2:52 PM
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hazarddex said: Ah, so you don't live in the land of maple syrup, then. maybe that because your talking to a guy who comes from a country that said fuck kings and rebelled. also if that the cause what do you have against people of non German decent and love your country living there? hmm? Nothing for as long as they are honest and good people. But Germany can't take half of Africa and Asia in it and needs to take care of their own people first.ExecCute said: Who is without any bias shall throw the first pebble. btw.: it's kinda strange how both of you reply at the very same time you're clearly very biased though. |
Nov 5, 2018 2:53 PM
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Noboru said: hazarddex said: Ah, so you don't live in the land of maple syrup, then. maybe that because your talking to a guy who comes from a country that said fuck kings and rebelled. also if that the cause what do you have against people of non German decent and love your country living there? hmm? Nothing for as long as they are honest and good people. But Germany can't take half of Africa and Asia in it and needs to take care of their own people first.ExecCute said: Who is without any bias shall throw the first pebble. btw.: it's kinda strange how both of you reply at the very same time you're clearly very biased though. it's just funny how you shill so hard for germany, and compare every single country to yours. |
Nov 5, 2018 2:57 PM
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ExecCute said: I feel honored to have gotten so much attention for it from you and I would have loved to continue on, but unfortunately, I have to wake up early tomorrow and it's close to midnight over here. So see ya around.it's just funny how you shill so hard for germany, and compare every single country to yours. |
Nov 5, 2018 3:00 PM
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Noboru said: hazarddex said: Ah, so you don't live in the land of maple syrup, then. maybe that because your talking to a guy who comes from a country that said fuck kings and rebelled. also if that the cause what do you have against people of non German decent and love your country living there? hmm? Nothing for as long as they are honest and good people. But Germany can't take half of Africa and Asia in it and needs to take care of their own people first.ExecCute said: Who is without any bias shall throw the first pebble. btw.: it's kinda strange how both of you reply at the very same time you're clearly very biased though. those without bias won't throw any pebble since they view all as equals and don't look down on others. those without bias are capable of judging the mertas of each individual equality. no i come from the land of railroads, dead bufflos,had to fight a war with ourselves to end slavery, and moon landings. see i can both criticize and love my country. ;) so you will treat a german who hates his country and commits crimes better over a non german who loves your country? |
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Nov 5, 2018 3:30 PM
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deg said: Swagernator said: Are you that #proudtobeindian guy that was here not long ago ? lol yep its him ProudAsian and this guy should join forces I was thinking where he disappeared. |
Nov 5, 2018 6:27 PM
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" Both analyses demonstrated genetic evidence of the origin of Koreans from the central Asian Mongolians. Further, the Koreans are more closely related to the Japanese and quite distant from the Chinese. " https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1510113 "In the genome map, the gene flow to the Korean Peninsula from its neighboring countries indicated that some genetic signals from Northern populations such as the Siberians and Mongolians still remain in the South East and West regions, while few signals remain from the early Southern lineages." https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0011855#pone.0011855.s003 There was a genetic study that supported this but i can't find it https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/south-koreans-may-have-indian-genes/articleshow/823181.cms |
Nov 6, 2018 11:28 AM
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this isnt a current event and youre just larping again |
Nov 7, 2018 8:26 PM
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Noice hijack nob. Now what you really want is to bring back the holy roman empire |
Nov 7, 2018 10:18 PM
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KuroudoAkabane said: didn't they get there asses kicked by barbarians? Noice hijack nob. Now what you really want is to bring back the holy roman empire |
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Nov 8, 2018 10:30 AM
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hazarddex said: Damn, I didn't want to reply back, here, but ... Bakadex! :( KuroudoAkabane said: didn't they get there asses kicked by barbarians? Noice hijack nob. Now what you really want is to bring back the holy roman empire KuroudoAkabane was talking about the Holy Roman Empire (of German Nation) and not about the Roman Empire. The Holy Roman Empire was destroyed during the 30 Years' War by fellow Germans and other Europeans, who were at the same level - if not even more developed. @KuroudoAkabane: While it would be interesting to see the Imperial Regalia adorning Karl von Habsburg and Vienna being not only the cultural, but also the political capital of Germany once again, I wouldn't want to bring the Holy Roman Empire (of German Nation) in that form back, but just the Kingdom of Germany (Regnum Teutonicum) with the current government of Austria being in charge, more plebiscites and more neutrality about international conflicts like Switzerland, and a king (or queen) that would act as a symbolic ruler to replace the pseudo-democratically elected president of the Federal Republic of Germany. |
NoboruNov 8, 2018 10:37 AM
Nov 8, 2018 5:19 PM
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Noboru said: well since im not german ...hazarddex said: Damn, I didn't want to reply back, here, but ... Bakadex! :( KuroudoAkabane said: Noice hijack nob. Now what you really want is to bring back the holy roman empire KuroudoAkabane was talking about the Holy Roman Empire (of German Nation) and not about the Roman Empire. The Holy Roman Empire was destroyed during the 30 Years' War by fellow Germans and other Europeans, who were at the same level - if not even more developed. @KuroudoAkabane: While it would be interesting to see the Imperial Regalia adorning Karl von Habsburg and Vienna being not only the cultural, but also the political capital of Germany once again, I wouldn't want to bring the Holy Roman Empire (of German Nation) in that form back, but just the Kingdom of Germany (Regnum Teutonicum) with the current government of Austria being in charge, more plebiscites and more neutrality about international conflicts like Switzerland, and a king (or queen) that would act as a symbolic ruler to replace the pseudo-democratically elected president of the Federal Republic of Germany. thts wht I meant |
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