| For me in my opinion is boring so I end up dropping the prequel of this arc. I scanned the ahead chapters and looks pretty boring and random in my opinion. This series is pretty overrated. |
Heumers said: chibizero81 said: For me in my opinion is boring so I end up dropping the prequel of this arc. I scanned the ahead chapters and looks pretty boring and random in my opinion. This series is pretty overrated. I'm not talking about the manga nor the prequel ( since I didn't like the prequel either ) however Gintama is my Fav. series and never saw it overrated at all, so I was asking if the events and fights of this sequel ( anime adaption version ) is good or no. believe me when i say (and i'm a manga reader and i know what happen next) the pace & the events/fights in this arc is boring/cliché as hell 'manga wise' and in my opinion follow the anime it will make it easier to swallow all this shitty drama but don't expect much form this arc but it will gets waaayy better later in the next arc, that's said if they actually gonna animate that. |
Heumers said: sarahak said: believe me when i say (and i'm a manga reader and i know what happen next) the pace & the events/fights in this arc is boring/cliché as hell 'manga wise' and in my opinion follow the anime it will make it easier to swallow all this shitty drama but don't expect much form this arc but it will gets waaayy better later in the next arc, that's said if they actually gonna animate that. So Isn't Silver soul the final arc ? I'm not sure tho , anyways if there's another arc after this one , did that arc finish or not yet ? I really hope it's get animated then if it's so good as u assume. ( Also , from the things I hate in this arc is fighting against Amanto - Aliens - , so is it the same in the next arc or it'll be against people like in Shogun assassination / shinsengumi farewell arcs ? ) yes sorachi trolled us when he said silver soul is the final arc (i can't say much i don't want spoil it for you) but it brought back some of gintama old gold gags, also continued with saving the earth theme. No its still on going and there is news about it saying it will end in 5 chapters not sure if its real this time or another troll but silver soul is going to end soon although i'm not following the anime there is not much left. so hang in there. |
sarahak said: Last news about the manga finishing was a week or 2. Sorachi said that he actually wants to finish the manga in 2018 but it was not 100% sure.Heumers said: So Isn't Silver soul the final arc ? I'm not sure tho , anyways if there's another arc after this one , did that arc finish or not yet ? I really hope it's get animated then if it's so good as u assume. ( Also , from the things I hate in this arc is fighting against Amanto - Aliens - , so is it the same in the next arc or it'll be against people like in Shogun assassination / shinsengumi farewell arcs ? ) yes sorachi trolled us when he said silver soul is the final arc (i can't say much i don't want spoil it for you) but it brought back some of gintama old gold gags, also continued with saving the earth theme. No its still on going and there is news about it saying it will end in 5 chapters not sure if its real this time or another troll but silver soul is going to end soon although i'm not following the anime there is not much left. so hang in there. I need to find again the statement he dropped that time. EDIT: found it. he dropped this statement in Volume 74.  |
DatRandomDudeAug 13, 2018 2:53 PM
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sarahak said: yes sorachi trolled us when he said silver soul is the final arc (i can't say much i don't want spoil it for you) but it brought back some of gintama old gold gags, also continued with saving the earth theme. No its still on going and there is news about it saying it will end in 5 chapters not sure if its real this time or another troll but silver soul is going to end soon although i'm not following the anime there is not much left. so hang in there. Aha I see , okei thank you so much :D DatRandomDude said: Last news about the manga finishing was a week or 2. Sorachi said that he actually wants to finish the manga in 2018 but it was not 100% sure. I need to find again the statement he dropped that time. EDIT: found it. he dropped this statement in Volume 74. Thanks for the info , however is there a chance that the author ( sorachi ) won't be able to finish it this year or no ? since he said in the end "maybe I should go with 10" as he isn't sure by himself. |
DatRandomDude said: sarahak said: Last news about the manga finishing was a week or 2. Sorachi said that he actually wants to finish the manga in 2018 but it was not 100% sure.yes sorachi trolled us when he said silver soul is the final arc (i can't say much i don't want spoil it for you) but it brought back some of gintama old gold gags, also continued with saving the earth theme. No its still on going and there is news about it saying it will end in 5 chapters not sure if its real this time or another troll but silver soul is going to end soon although i'm not following the anime there is not much left. so hang in there. I need to find again the statement he dropped that time. EDIT: found it. he dropped this statement in Volume 74. just 3 days ago he dropped this https://twitter.com/kiirobon/status/1027966575054336005?s=19 but again its sorachi we can't trust gorilla. some says its not the end but but 5 chapters till the second climax. (the first one happened like 8 months ago) that would associate with the news 2 weeks ago when he said he needs 3 volumes or ten to finish the manga.. and according to the current pace its hard to believe that he can finish the series in few chapters but yeah we just need to wait and see |
sarahakAug 14, 2018 1:34 AM
| I want to watch it so I hope It's getting better all the time. I hope he author ends it soon. |
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| I can't understand how someone who has liked Gintama until now can think that Silver Soul arc is bad. It's mindblowing to me. Like, is the animation the only thing you guys care about? What's so bad with the writting in the Silver Soul arc? Are there plot holes in the story? Are characters being inconsistent? Is there something that doesn't make sense? I can never get a specific answer to these questions and I genuinely can't understand your opinions. |
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| Ok you don't want to argue but I'm still going to respond to your points, I just have to. Heumers said: 1. The animation is so bad compared to the previous seasons , the animation in fights is mostly about static images , aka no hype nor tension in fights. Ok I get it, I also think the animation should have been better but animation doesn't make a show, it's about the story and characters. What exactly was "so rushed and fast paced"? Really? That's what you're going to complain about? Look I also dislike censorship in anime but it's not something that breaks an anime like Gintama that's not about gore for me. And which "many silly" censors cos I only remember one blatant instance in the Dakini fight. Ok I agree with that, the Dakini, Shinra and Yato were underwhelming opponents when they should have posed more threat than they did. Heumers said: 5. The plot of the arc itself irritates me , the whole concept of amanto invading ONLY Japan and normal citizens with poor weapons ( Ex: Kabukicho's normal citizens ) are capable to fight those skilled soldiers with long-range weapons (aka guns). Didn't the Neo Armstrong Cyclone Jet Armstrong Canon disable Amanto's tech including the long range weapons? Who says the Amanto invaded only Japan? The focus is on Edo because that's where the point of interest is with the Terminal and because that's where the characters of the show live. I don't see a big problem with it. Yes, Gintama lacks worldbuilding but on the other hand it has never really been about that. And yes normal citizens are able to fight in wars. Who do you think gets drafted when one country suddenly invades another country? And here in Gintama they have 3 of the Kabukicho 4 Devas with their gangs and we know by now that these people know how to fight and some of them are among the strongest humans in the series. No it weren't. Nothing important to see? What the heck? They fleshed out Kiheitai members, showed how they came to be and gave us more understanding about the Kiheitai members because they are an important group that's critical in the fight in space. I can't understand how someone who claims to like Gintama and its characters doesn't care about knowing more about the Kiheitai... Heumers said: 7. Making all characters to appear within 12-24 episodes only of a long series , is a wrong idea , if you want to focus on characters you should provide us with at least some good dialogues , like in the manga , many dialogues were cut in the anime. ( It's only my opinion tho , I don't have any intention to discuss the previous points tho ) They don't just reappear for the sake of it, they are actually relevant and I don't see how this is bad writing. The dialogues are nothing out of the ordinary for Gintama. Are you saying those few lines of dialogue that were cut from the manga are so vital that it ruins the whole thing? |
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| Even tho, I love SS arc, I can't deny the fact that many fans dropped Gintama in the middle of SS arc...but, recently many fans pick it up again because of the third part. The third part has been amazing so far. |
| SS arc is by far the worst Gintama arc. Story-wise and comedy-wise Seriously I'm disappointed |
| The SS arc has its flaws (definitely not a masterpiece like SA and FS were) but its still a lot of fun and really amazing. Definitely not the weakest arc (lots of comedy arcs in in the first series of Gintama were way worse for an example, same for that one season between RDB and SS). Also the third part is indeed the best so far |
| I don't get the pessimism here. No one here wants to mention how brilliant it was of Sorachi to bring back the Hata/Madao conflict that began in the early serialisation over 10 years ago-, and bring it closure in a cool way where both characters learn something in the end mixed with immigration jokes and allusions to the past? That's bad writing? And yes, the Shinra, Yato and Dakini were "underwhelming", in the sense that they were tools to reintroduce us to the side characters from before. The Dakini fleshed out Hedoro and gave him closure, the Shinra are tied to Jirocho and Gintoki from the 4D arc and wanted revenge against those two, and the Yato were long due some exposure in the series aside from the typical rouges gallery (Where their traditions and morals clash with that of Kagura's family) Or how about the u-turn they did with Takasugi-, where he finally comes to terms with what he is and decides to give his all for the sake of his new family? When Banjou sacrifices himself to prove a point to Shinsuke, and our favorite feminist saves Matako and presents his own catchphrase in a new light? Making us sympathise with Nobunobu, Kamui reconciling with his father (who has finally grown back his hair), the musical direction and clever callbacks that are more than just fanservice (Like the neo armstrong jet cyclone armstrong cannon or Hasegawa's former job at the immigration service) Those of you who are in for the ride just to see "cool fights and dick jokes" yet complain about bad writing whilst at the same time disregarding what's so good about this arc as if there aren't any such aspects... I have a hard time sympathising with you. I respect your opinions, but I also respectfully disagree. None of you could have written a more satisfying conclusion (as of yet) to this story than Sorachi himself has. Note: Flashback episodes in of themselves aren't bad just because they're flashback episodes. That's one of the dumbest pieces of criticism I've ever heard, especially when it's followed up by "lol I don't even remember what happened". And Gintama's numbers dropping off/the SS arcs scores being like 0.10 points lower than the rest = it being objectively worse? Give me a break, audience drop-off rates in the west for Gintama has occured since 2005, and season 2 of SS isn't even finished yet. (Most people don't score shit they haven't finished beforehand, I give Gintama 10/10 every year it airs to piss off MALs scoring system where 100 people scoring 10's bring shows up to the top 10's but that's a different story.) Anyhow have a good day now lads. |
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farewellpeace said: chibizero81 said: For me in my opinion is boring so I end up dropping the prequel of this arc. I scanned the ahead chapters and looks pretty boring and random in my opinion. This series is pretty overrated. Full metal fanboy alert!! I'm not a boy... I'm a girl for your information. |
| Dude, watch this week's episode. Best anime episode of 2018. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
| I've been disappointed by this arc in a few ways. Hear me out though. If the manga had terrible presentation, you'd be disappointed that something with so much potential was delivered in a trash can right? That's what happened here: the delivery was trash. I absolutely love Gintama. I've cried over the characters on many occasions, but this season just wasn't the final arc I'd hoped for. The main issues with this arc are two fold. First, the sound design was horrendous and they seriously screwed up the animations such that the battles, which dominated this arc, didn't even have much if any impact. Second, Gintama has always been a brilliant blend of fantastic albeit crude comedy that recursively bounced off of a much less prominent but very well done serious and tear jerking side such that you might find yourself crying tears of laughter one moment and tears of sadness after seeing some talking piece of shit dry out or something (just a made up example).The show has, in previous arcs, gotten much more serious and set aside some of the comedy, but the content was generally well executed upon, the production was engaging, and they usually still managed to either have some fun with it or just genuinely evoke feels that far exceeded anything I felt during the second half of silver soul arc. I love the characters, the cast, and I feel something for all of them. I care about the plot. What I don't care for is delivering it to me compressed to the nth degree. It's extremely rushed; it's nonstop relatively predictable action and events that honestly are for the most part worse than I'd find in many other shounen out there. THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I'D EXPECT. Previous arcs challenged if not surpassed why I'd seen in many other highly touted shounen arcs. Now, don't get me wrong, there were some parts that were absolutely amazing, some parts that were ingenious, but between those parts I'm staring mediocre production in the face. Its so messed up. They destroyed what could have been. The Gintama soundtrack is made for a show with a brilliant blend of serious moments and comedy. BUT HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THEY REPLAYED THE EXACT SAME TWO TRACKS THIS ARC OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN??? The arc is so rushed that they didn't even bother varying the soundtrack. It's hideous sound design and gives me a bad taste in my mouth during soundtracks that I adore. I'm happy for the people that managed to enjoy this arc or love it, but sadly this wasn't the Gintama I was looking for. Gintama has always been a blend, and I wanted a blend to close it out: not two parts separated out by a strainer. The first episode of the "third part" just came out... and it's such a breath of fresh air. I don't HATE this arc... but it won't be what I remember about Gintama. Not even close. |
turtleinshell said: I've been disappointed by this arc in a few ways. Hear me out though. If the manga had terrible presentation, you'd be disappointed that something with so much potential was delivered in a trash can right? That's what happened here: the delivery was trash. I absolutely love Gintama. I've cried over the characters on many occasions, but this season just wasn't the final arc I'd hoped for. The main issues with this arc are two fold. First, the sound design was horrendous and they seriously screwed up the animations such that the battles, which dominated this arc, didn't even have much if any impact. Second, Gintama has always been a brilliant blend of fantastic albeit crude comedy that recursively bounced off of a much less prominent but very well done serious and tear jerking side such that you might find yourself crying tears of laughter one moment and tears of sadness after seeing some talking piece of shit dry out or something (just a made up example).The show has, in previous arcs, gotten much more serious and set aside some of the comedy, but the content was generally well executed upon, the production was engaging, and they usually still managed to either have some fun with it or just genuinely evoke feels that far exceeded anything I felt during the second half of silver soul arc. I love the characters, the cast, and I feel something for all of them. I care about the plot. What I don't care for is delivering it to me compressed to the nth degree. It's extremely rushed; it's nonstop relatively predictable action and events that honestly are for the most part worse than I'd find in many other shounen out there. THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I'D EXPECT. Previous arcs challenged if not surpassed why I'd seen in many other highly touted shounen arcs. Now, don't get me wrong, there were some parts that were absolutely amazing, some parts that were ingenious, but between those parts I'm staring mediocre production in the face. Its so messed up. They destroyed what could have been. The Gintama soundtrack is made for a show with a brilliant blend of serious moments and comedy. BUT HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THEY REPLAYED THE EXACT SAME TWO TRACKS THIS ARC OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN??? The arc is so rushed that they didn't even bother varying the soundtrack. It's hideous sound design and gives me a bad taste in my mouth during soundtracks that I adore. I'm happy for the people that managed to enjoy this arc or love it, but sadly this wasn't the Gintama I was looking for. Gintama has always been a blend, and I wanted a blend to close it out: not two parts separated out by a strainer. The first episode of the "third part" just came out... and it's such a breath of fresh air. I don't HATE this arc... but it won't be what I remember about Gintama. Not even close. This is true. After rewatching and rereading the arc, I think that overall, the anime version had quite a few problems concerning directing, soundtrack, animation and production values. It delivered in most of the important points, but the anime also skipped a lot of dialogue that gave more characterization to some of the characters and although some say they had to do it because of pacing, I'm sure there was a better way to do it. So from the execution point, I can agree with you. Although taking into account how little time and resources they had, it could have been much much worse. That being said, I still don't find the plot of the final arc disappointing. There were some things that Sorachi could have done better, but overall it's not a bad arc. I think the manga is the way to go when it comes to this arc, but anime onlys are probably not going to switch at this point. It's a shame that the anime was rushed but that's the whole anime/manga industry for you. The quality suffers for profit. |
BliuTigerSep 3, 2018 3:08 AM
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BliuBliu said: turtleinshell said: I've been disappointed by this arc in a few ways. Hear me out though. If the manga had terrible presentation, you'd be disappointed that something with so much potential was delivered in a trash can right? That's what happened here: the delivery was trash. I absolutely love Gintama. I've cried over the characters on many occasions, but this season just wasn't the final arc I'd hoped for. The main issues with this arc are two fold. First, the sound design was horrendous and they seriously screwed up the animations such that the battles, which dominated this arc, didn't even have much if any impact. Second, Gintama has always been a brilliant blend of fantastic albeit crude comedy that recursively bounced off of a much less prominent but very well done serious and tear jerking side such that you might find yourself crying tears of laughter one moment and tears of sadness after seeing some talking piece of shit dry out or something (just a made up example).The show has, in previous arcs, gotten much more serious and set aside some of the comedy, but the content was generally well executed upon, the production was engaging, and they usually still managed to either have some fun with it or just genuinely evoke feels that far exceeded anything I felt during the second half of silver soul arc. I love the characters, the cast, and I feel something for all of them. I care about the plot. What I don't care for is delivering it to me compressed to the nth degree. It's extremely rushed; it's nonstop relatively predictable action and events that honestly are for the most part worse than I'd find in many other shounen out there. THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I'D EXPECT. Previous arcs challenged if not surpassed why I'd seen in many other highly touted shounen arcs. Now, don't get me wrong, there were some parts that were absolutely amazing, some parts that were ingenious, but between those parts I'm staring mediocre production in the face. Its so messed up. They destroyed what could have been. The Gintama soundtrack is made for a show with a brilliant blend of serious moments and comedy. BUT HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THEY REPLAYED THE EXACT SAME TWO TRACKS THIS ARC OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN??? The arc is so rushed that they didn't even bother varying the soundtrack. It's hideous sound design and gives me a bad taste in my mouth during soundtracks that I adore. I'm happy for the people that managed to enjoy this arc or love it, but sadly this wasn't the Gintama I was looking for. Gintama has always been a blend, and I wanted a blend to close it out: not two parts separated out by a strainer. The first episode of the "third part" just came out... and it's such a breath of fresh air. I don't HATE this arc... but it won't be what I remember about Gintama. Not even close. This is true. After rewatching and rereading the arc, I think that overall, the anime version had quite a few problems concerning directing, soundtrack, animation and production values. It delivered in most of the important points, but the anime also skipped a lot of dialogue that gave more characterization to some of the characters and although some say they had to do it because of pacing, I'm sure there was a better way to do it. So from the execution point, I can agree with you. Although taking into account how little time and resources they had, it could have been much much worse. That being said, I still don't find the plot of the final arc disappointing. There were some things that Sorachi could have done better, but overall it's not a bad arc. I think the manga is the way to go when it comes to this arc, but anime onlys are probably not going to switch at this point. It's a shame that the anime was rushed but that's the whole anime/manga industry for you. The quality suffers for profit. i've been reading the manga alongside the anime for this arc, and to be honest the manga is not that better either.. reading it in one go, the manga feels rushed too..i only read until ep6, and anime wise ep 7 and 8 were much better, and things seem far more interesting in this third part..should i have my hopes up for this third part or not?.. |
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Salamak said: i've been reading the manga alongside the anime for this arc, and to be honest the manga is not that better either.. reading it in one go, the manga feels rushed too..i only read until ep6, and anime wise ep 7 and 8 were much better, and things seem far more interesting in this third part..should i have my hopes up for this third part or not?.. How is the manga rushed? In fact it's the exact opposite. Sorachi has been taking his sweet time even though he should have picked up the pace at some points. The third part is great. The best part of Silver Soul arc IMO. |
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BliuBliu said: well yeah the first part lasted for about 70 chapters, 595-669 if i'm not wrong, but this second part (in anime) starting when takasugi shows up until it goes back to earth, 3 people died, we got 4 different flashbacks (enshou, matako, takechi, takasugi, though this one was more of internal dialogues ) and we focused on 4 different people , bansai, enshou, nobu nobu, takasugi, there were more obviously but these ones got more focus. we focus in all of these in only 24 chapters, so everything kinda happen too fast..and it was actually somewhat boring at times. but it's been good since 657, (i'm currently at 661) and eventhough 13 chapters is spent on utsuro, it doesn't get boring or slow..episodes 9-10 were great too. Salamak said: i've been reading the manga alongside the anime for this arc, and to be honest the manga is not that better either.. reading it in one go, the manga feels rushed too..i only read until ep6, and anime wise ep 7 and 8 were much better, and things seem far more interesting in this third part..should i have my hopes up for this third part or not?.. How is the manga rushed? In fact it's the exact opposite. Sorachi has been taking his sweet time even though he should have picked up the pace at some points. The third part is great. The best part of Silver Soul arc IMO. so this, and also the last thing i read was one piece, so maybe i got a bit used to things dragging out for ages. anything less than 100 chapters feels rushed now. but i'm glad to hear third part will be great, i skimmed the chapter after ep 10, and things are really getting interesting..then again i don't quite understand how all of these can be concluded in only 20 chapters :/ (675-697 or 8). |
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