 The official website for Jump SQ magazine has announced on Monday that the Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenkaku Romantan - Hokkaido-hen manga by Nobuhiro Watsuki and Kaoru Kurosaki will resume serialization in this year's July issue of the magazine, which will be released on June 4. The manga went on a hiatus in December of last year due to charges against Watsuki for violating the Child Prostitution and Pornography Law a month earlier. Watsuki has been called to pay the fine of two hundred thousand yen this February. Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenkaku Romantan - Hokkaido-hen began its serialization last September and is a sequel to the popular series Rurouni Kenshin. The prequel received multiple anime adaptations throughout the '90s. Source: Comic Natalie News submitted by -SP- |
tsubasaloverApr 23, 2018 1:59 AM
I ♥ Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!! |
| Not sure how I feel about this... |
 I'm watching anime since 2012. I also play games, sometimes. Don't bother me if you want to 'become friends' or things like that. It's tiresome. I know you just want to collect some meaningless numbers. Thought: How many people sparked H. Charlotta just for blue pot? |
| wow, sucks to be a fan of this man |
| :v |
| at vey least, it back... |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| @ItsXolo I've fixed the amount. |
I ♥ Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!! |
| Until Watsuki clear his name, i wouldn't recommend coming back from hiatus, or at least, have just Kurosaki working on it. |
| 200,000 yen? That's not even $2000 USD.. |
| Actually based case since he managed to get back from this and they even let him continue the series. |
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| I don't care about RK, but I will say this. Americans and Western Europeans are to paranoid about such things... Stop mixing people's interests and the things they create! I don't care if some author or director is nazi, likes CP or in constant war with feminists. As long as his cretions are good, I won't sabotage them just because the author done something inappropriate. It is a really stupid thing, though, very common in the West. |
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Nachtwandler_21 said: I don't care about RK, but I will say this. Americans and Western Europeans are to paranoid about such things... Stop mixing people's interests and the things they create! I don't care if some author or director is nazi, likes CP or in constant war with feminists. As long as his cretions are good, I won't sabotage them just because the author done something inappropriate. It is a really stupid thing, though, very common in the West. There is nothing stupid about holding creators to a higher standards especially when it comes to things that ruin or have ruined peoples lives. In Watsuki's case we aren't talking about 2D loli hentai, but stuff that involve real children. The former wouldn't have been a good look, but at least it's a imagined fantasy. It's not just western morality thing either, there are people in Japan unhappy about this decision there too. At the end of day this all just been done for money and unfortunately people with deep pockets or extreme fans don't care until something happens to them or family member. But since sends a single there are no consequences for this stuff tough luck for victims eh? Might as well make every other heinous else okay becasue "this guy does good stories". =/ |
Iron_MawApr 23, 2018 4:32 AM
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Moussey said: well, count me in....Hakaminah said: Not sure how I feel about this... same... it's so disappointing ... I forgot about this tbh |
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ItsXolo said: Jagd84 said: There is nothing stupid about holding creators to a higher standards especially when it comes to things that ruin or have ruined peoples lives. In Watsuki's case we aren't talking about 2D loli hentai, but stuff that involve real children. The former wouldn't have been a good look, but at least it's a imagined fantasy. It's not just western morality thing either, there are people in Japan unhappy about this decision there too. At the end of day this all just been done for money and unfortunately people with deep pockets or extreme fans don't care until something happens to them or family member. But since sends a single there are no consequences for this stuff tough luck for victims eh? Might as well make every other heinous else okay becasue "this guy does good stories". =/ He's not saying that content creators shouldn't be held accountable for crimes they commit. He's saying that people should be willing to seperate an artist from his/her creations. It is incredible difficult to separate an artist from his art and this is why this discussion seems to never stop. If you are enjoying it, that's okay - but everyone feels different about it. One of the main problems is the support, you are willing to give to the artist. Let it be emotional (if it makes you feel sth, you might get the urge to talk about it with others, therefore the popularity rises) or material support (by buying their stuff and supporting them in a monetary way). And if you do that, it might let you feel like being a part of that criminal construct, by indirectly accepting what he did and still support him no matter what (metaphorical speaking here). Sure, there are still many instances laying between the artist and the consumer, and one single person might not make an impact. But discussions like this might be able to lead to bigger impulses. Art is art and you can look at it as an artwork alone without any context. That's up to the observer. But you can also look at the context/intentions/whatever of the artist as well, and this makes this discussion around art a way more complex thing, than just a simple black and white portrayal. |
Jagd84 said: Nachtwandler_21 said: I don't care about RK, but I will say this. Americans and Western Europeans are to paranoid about such things... Stop mixing people's interests and the things they create! I don't care if some author or director is nazi, likes CP or in constant war with feminists. As long as his cretions are good, I won't sabotage them just because the author done something inappropriate. It is a really stupid thing, though, very common in the West. There is nothing stupid about holding creators to a higher standards especially when it comes to things that ruin or have ruined peoples lives. In Watsuki's case we aren't talking about 2D loli hentai, but stuff that involve real children. The former wouldn't have been a good look, but at least it's a imagined fantasy. It's not just western morality thing either, there are people in Japan unhappy about this decision there too. At the end of day this all just been done for money and unfortunately people with deep pockets or extreme fans don't care until something happens to them or family member. But since sends a single there are no consequences for this stuff tough luck for victims eh? Might as well make every other heinous else okay becasue "this guy does good stories". =/ He did not ruin anyone lives. The people who ruin others lives are the ones who crete CP and the ones who allow children to star there, not the pepole who watch it. It is one more point where you mixng things. Arresting or blaming people who watch such things will not change the general situation. It is the same as with drugs: criminals are not the people who use them, but the people who produse or sell them. I don't know if it is the nergative effect of feminists influence or some other things but pedohystery is to strong in some countries. Pedos are like drug addicts. They are just ill and there is no effective therapy for it. Instead of putting every drug addict in jail, in civilized countries they are provided with replasment drugs like methadon which are less harmful, but allow them to keep their addioction in check. Same should be done with pedos. Just let them watch hentai or cartoons. It will not harm anyone but will allow tham to keep thair addiction in check. Think of them as of the ill people, not criminals. |
Nachtwandler_21Apr 23, 2018 7:24 AM
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| Meh, i can separate a creator from their work. I like RK, so i'll keep reading this, regardless of what Watsuki has done or how horrible of a human being he is. |
| I hope the western hate for basically anything_popular doesn't get to him. Rurouni Kenshin, ahh someone recommended me this back in 2013. I hope it's worth a shot to watch this. |
| Pfff, good luck that when i read a a story i don't care about who wrote it. Otherwise i could miss some good stuff. |
PralandApr 23, 2018 12:44 PM
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| It is disappointing that all that CP gets you is having to pay 2,000 dollars. That's not even treating it like a criminal act, but as some kind of luxury good that isn't problematic, just expensive... Nachtwandler_21 said: Jagd84 said: There is nothing stupid about holding creators to a higher standards especially when it comes to things that ruin or have ruined peoples lives. In Watsuki's case we aren't talking about 2D loli hentai, but stuff that involve real children. The former wouldn't have been a good look, but at least it's a imagined fantasy. It's not just western morality thing either, there are people in Japan unhappy about this decision there too. At the end of day this all just been done for money and unfortunately people with deep pockets or extreme fans don't care until something happens to them or family member. But since sends a single there are no consequences for this stuff tough luck for victims eh? Might as well make every other heinous else okay becasue "this guy does good stories". =/ He did not ruin anyone lives. The people who ruin others lives are the ones who crete CP and the ones who allow children to star there, not the pepole who watch it. It is one more point where you mixng things. Arresting or blaming people who watch such things will not change the general situation. It is the same as with drugs: criminals are not the people who use them, but the people who produse or sell them. I don't know if it is the nergative effect of feminists influence or some other things but pedohystery is to strong in some countries. Pedos are like drug addicts. They are just ill and there is no effective therapy for it. Instead of putting every drug addict in jail, in civilized countries they are provided with replasment drugs like methadon which are less harmful, but allow them to keep their addioction in check. Same should be done with pedos. Just let them watch hentai or cartoons. It will not harm anyone but will allow tham to keep thair addiction in check. Think of them as of the ill people, not criminals. That's a shit comparison tbh. Drug users just hurt themselves and don't create the demand for a despicable industry. CP consumers create the demand and give the people creating them a financial inentive to so do in the first place, that's how these things work. If noone paid for watching them, nobody would bother creating them. They create the market, they are just as much to blame as the actual creators. There's so much loli porn out there too, there's really no excuse for consuming and probably paying for actual CP. I don't care about people being pedophiles, that's not a crime, but I care if they consume CP. That's a crime, should be a crime and needs to be punished in a way that's actually punishment. Just like being addicted to drugs isn't a crime, but a lot of things that drug addicts do are crimes, and they can just be excused because they're addicted if they rob someone or steal stuff. There's not a civilized country that doesn't convict drug addicts if they actually commit crimes, even if they have programs for helping them. Some things just aren't excusable no matter your 'condition'. |
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Pullman said: It is disappointing that all that CP gets you is having to pay 2,000 dollars. That's not even treating it like a criminal act, but as some kind of luxury good that isn't problematic, just expensive... Nachtwandler_21 said: He did not ruin anyone lives. The people who ruin others lives are the ones who crete CP and the ones who allow children to star there, not the pepole who watch it. It is one more point where you mixng things. Arresting or blaming people who watch such things will not change the general situation. It is the same as with drugs: criminals are not the people who use them, but the people who produse or sell them. I don't know if it is the nergative effect of feminists influence or some other things but pedohystery is to strong in some countries. Pedos are like drug addicts. They are just ill and there is no effective therapy for it. Instead of putting every drug addict in jail, in civilized countries they are provided with replasment drugs like methadon which are less harmful, but allow them to keep their addioction in check. Same should be done with pedos. Just let them watch hentai or cartoons. It will not harm anyone but will allow tham to keep thair addiction in check. Think of them as of the ill people, not criminals. That's a shit comparison tbh. Drug users just hurt themselves and don't create the demand for a despicable industry. CP consumers create the demand and give the people creating them a financial inentive to so do in the first place, that's how these things work. If noone paid for watching them, nobody would bother creating them. They create the market, they are just as much to blame as the actual creators. There's so much loli porn out there too, there's really no excuse for consuming and probably paying for actual CP. I don't care about people being pedophiles, that's not a crime, but I care if they consume CP. That's a crime, should be a crime and needs to be punished in a way that's actually punishment. Just like being addicted to drugs isn't a crime, but a lot of things that drug addicts do are crimes, and they can just be excused because they're addicted if they rob someone or steal stuff. There's not a civilized country that doesn't convict drug addicts if they actually commit crimes, even if they have programs for helping them. Some things just aren't excusable no matter your 'condition'. Nope. Drug industry works absolutely the same way. You just have double-stabdards. |
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Nachtwandler_21 said: Pullman said: It is disappointing that all that CP gets you is having to pay 2,000 dollars. That's not even treating it like a criminal act, but as some kind of luxury good that isn't problematic, just expensive... That's a shit comparison tbh. Drug users just hurt themselves and don't create the demand for a despicable industry. CP consumers create the demand and give the people creating them a financial inentive to so do in the first place, that's how these things work. If noone paid for watching them, nobody would bother creating them. They create the market, they are just as much to blame as the actual creators. There's so much loli porn out there too, there's really no excuse for consuming and probably paying for actual CP. I don't care about people being pedophiles, that's not a crime, but I care if they consume CP. That's a crime, should be a crime and needs to be punished in a way that's actually punishment. Just like being addicted to drugs isn't a crime, but a lot of things that drug addicts do are crimes, and they can just be excused because they're addicted if they rob someone or steal stuff. There's not a civilized country that doesn't convict drug addicts if they actually commit crimes, even if they have programs for helping them. Some things just aren't excusable no matter your 'condition'. Nope. Drug industry works absolutely the same way. You just have double-stabdards. No, I'm pretty sure you just don't really think thinks through otherwise you'd be cringing from saying something stupid like that. You don't produce drugs by fucking children in front of a camera against their will, raumatizing them for life. You make them with agriculture and chemical processes that in themselves are not immoral, traumatic or harmful, or even illegal, unlike anything that involved CP. Drugs are frowned upon because of their consequences can be harmful to the people who take them (usually out of their own free will), but it's not inherently immoral or anywhere near as universally condemned (the legal status of drugs is debatable depending on the country, but I don't think child porn is debatable anywhere) as CP, and that's how it should be. Drugs can have negative consequences but they are essentially a choice, while CP is raping children to exploit them financially. It's very, very, very disturbing that you would put those two things on the same level. Like honestly, it creeps me out thinking about someone out there thinking childporn is on the same level as selling or smoking weed. |
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| fuck this guy i guess he can continue to enjoy his elementary school porn while making a good living hopefully there's not that many brainwashed kenshin fanboys willing to support him after this |
| I'm going to say this but de-criminalizing CP would probably go far to end its production, just like illicit drugs. |
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Pupu-Hotpot said: fuck this guy i guess he can continue to enjoy his elementary school porn while making a good living hopefully there's not that many brainwashed kenshin fanboys willing to support him after this How exactly do they support him tho ? most of the people here are reading online for free. I feel like some people are overreacting. |
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Pullman said: Nachtwandler_21 said: Nope. Drug industry works absolutely the same way. You just have double-stabdards. No, I'm pretty sure you just don't really think thinks through otherwise you'd be cringing from saying something stupid like that. You don't produce drugs by fucking children in front of a camera against their will, raumatizing them for life. You make them with agriculture and chemical processes that in themselves are not immoral, traumatic or harmful, or even illegal, unlike anything that involved CP. Drugs are frowned upon because of their consequences can be harmful to the people who take them (usually out of their own free will), but it's not inherently immoral or anywhere near as universally condemned (the legal status of drugs is debatable depending on the country, but I don't think child porn is debatable anywhere) as CP, and that's how it should be. Drugs can have negative consequences but they are essentially a choice, while CP is raping children to exploit them financially. It's very, very, very disturbing that you would put those two things on the same level. Like honestly, it creeps me out thinking about someone out there thinking childporn is on the same level as selling or smoking weed. Your mind is corrupted by feminists. 1. A lot more crime happens because of drugs. 2. We are talking about people who watch CP now, not about the ones who cretes it. 3. It is debateble if all CP is rape.You know, some third-rate countries have digfferent moral and some children just prefer to work this way for living. 4. Using your logic a lot of drugs are made using the slave labor both to producer and to illegally transport them. 5. Once again, you are trying to direct thingas in different direction. People who watch CP are sick, same as drug addicts. What way need is to have a therapy, not to be put in jail or at the bottom of society like you want it to be. |
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Hatsuyuki said: Pupu-Hotpot said: fuck this guy i guess he can continue to enjoy his elementary school porn while making a good living hopefully there's not that many brainwashed kenshin fanboys willing to support him after this How exactly do they support him tho ? most of the people here are reading online for free. I feel like some people are overreacting. Whoever is buying the magazine his work is being published in. And if there's going to be a first vol those ppl I'm talking about. |
Nachtwandler_21 said: He did not ruin anyone lives. The people who ruin others lives are the ones who crete CP and the ones who allow children to star there, not the pepole who watch it. It is one more point where you mixng things. Arresting or blaming people who watch such things will not change the general situation. It is the same as with drugs: criminals are not the people who use them, but the people who produse or sell them. I don't know if it is the nergative effect of feminists influence or some other things but pedohystery is to strong in some countries. Pedos are like drug addicts. They are just ill and there is no effective therapy for it. Instead of putting every drug addict in jail, in civilized countries they are provided with replasment drugs like methadon which are less harmful, but allow them to keep their addioction in check. Same should be done with pedos. Just let them watch hentai or cartoons. It will not harm anyone but will allow tham to keep thair addiction in check. Think of them as of the ill people, not criminals. All this stuff gets created because people buy it. Because people buy drugs, there are people who make them. Because there are people who buy child porn even though it's immoral, there are people who will film them and distribute them thru any means. As long as there's demand there'll be someone who will make a demanded product, no matter what it is. If there would be no demand, there would be no products created and no one would get hurt but sadly it's not the case here. So both, the creator, and those that contribute its creator by buying it are at fault. They support the "industry" or private persona by buying their products. Besides, if you catch someone who bought illegal items, you have a chance to catch distributors and maybe even creators. I would never place drugs on the same level as CP tho. One is an act of consuming goods that were created to bring certain psychical effect to the user. These products are created by either planting and taking care of specific plants and later refining them into consumables or by having chemicals involved. Second is an act of watching specific kind of porn involving minors, usually at age not suited for such action. These products are created by having someone get a human with or without certain features who is at the age that counts them as minority by any means and having them to perform sexual acts with other people. If a subject is not cooperating, they will threatened, beat up or drugged. First may or may not be legal depending on place and the amount one buys / consumes while the second is illegal in more than half countries. Nachtwandler_21 said: Your mind is corrupted by feminists. 1. A lot more crime happens because of drugs. 2. We are talking about people who watch CP now, not about the ones who cretes it. 3. It is debateble if all CP is rape.You know, some third-rate countries have digfferent moral and some children just prefer to work this way for living. 4. Using your logic a lot of drugs are made using the slave labor both to producer and to illegally transport them. 5. Once again, you are trying to direct thingas in different direction. People who watch CP are sick, same as drug addicts. What way need is to have a therapy, not to be put in jail or at the bottom of society like you want it to be. 1. There are more people doing trash while being high than there are people who have any connections to CP? No shit. Drugs are often easily available at what I personally consider low price. There are a lot of reasons why someone takes drugs and whatever or not he cares about his body limits. It's only natural that there are a lot of junkies that go on rampage which isn't the case of CP. Why? Because it's a fetish that it considered one of the worst ones while also marking someone who will be discovered being a pedo until the rest his life as some kind of monster. It's only natural that there will be less people doing it because of its specific nature and consequences it brings. 2. They're the same roten human trash. One is forcefully using children while the other is not only approving it but also getting turned on by these small children that are incapable of thinking on their own and giving consent while in many cases these children are also abused. These children who were often times bought or stolen from their parents and may end up getting killed in the way. If you think that someone who is okay with watching something like this should not be considered evil then you're a sick fuck. 3. Read second line of 3rd point. Children are capable of realizing that their family is struggling and may want to help them. Often than not, there is no normal job for them in these countries but instead there are tourists who will pay them if they get naked and don't move for a while. You call that consent? Just because they don't say "no", doesn't mean that they want it. They are not capable of understanding the situation fully and it will leave heavy marks on their mental hearth in the future (if they'll live long enough to reach it). 4. Nothing new *insert thinking emote* The size of such would depend on country though. In countries where weed is legal and only certain places are allowed to sell it, the illegal transactions are occurring less. 5. Punishment can work as part of that. As to why, before one could start a therapy, one needs to realize that his actions are wrong. Either by having to pay a fine or go to prison for certain amount of time. There are also cases where it's impossible to "heal" someone. These hopeless people who would only affect society in negative ways should stay away from it. I don't see how it's affected anyhow by feminists but I'm not much on Internet so maybe there was something I missed out. Nonetheless, what @Pullman said is ethically right and if you fail to understand the differences between these 2 acts then I hope to never see you again. |
HakaminahApr 23, 2018 12:32 PM
I'm watching anime since 2012. I also play games, sometimes. Don't bother me if you want to 'become friends' or things like that. It's tiresome. I know you just want to collect some meaningless numbers. Thought: How many people sparked H. Charlotta just for blue pot? |
Nachtwandler_21 said: Pullman said: No, I'm pretty sure you just don't really think thinks through otherwise you'd be cringing from saying something stupid like that. You don't produce drugs by fucking children in front of a camera against their will, raumatizing them for life. You make them with agriculture and chemical processes that in themselves are not immoral, traumatic or harmful, or even illegal, unlike anything that involved CP. Drugs are frowned upon because of their consequences can be harmful to the people who take them (usually out of their own free will), but it's not inherently immoral or anywhere near as universally condemned (the legal status of drugs is debatable depending on the country, but I don't think child porn is debatable anywhere) as CP, and that's how it should be. Drugs can have negative consequences but they are essentially a choice, while CP is raping children to exploit them financially. It's very, very, very disturbing that you would put those two things on the same level. Like honestly, it creeps me out thinking about someone out there thinking childporn is on the same level as selling or smoking weed. Your mind is corrupted by feminists. 1. A lot more crime happens because of drugs. 2. We are talking about people who watch CP now, not about the ones who cretes it. 3. It is debateble if all CP is rape.You know, some third-rate countries have digfferent moral and some children just prefer to work this way for living. 4. Using your logic a lot of drugs are made using the slave labor both to producer and to illegally transport them. 5. Once again, you are trying to direct thingas in different direction. People who watch CP are sick, same as drug addicts. What way need is to have a therapy, not to be put in jail or at the bottom of society like you want it to be. This has nothing to do with feminism, wtf are you talking about? This is just common sense, which you'd kow if you had any. But I guess your views on everything are so clouded by your political agenda that you can't even see how terrible child porn is and have to spin it into some anti-feminist rant instead? You can't even tell the difference between creating drugs (a process that hurts noone) and creating childporn (a process that is inherently traumatic and immoral) so there really isn't anything else to talk about. I'm not here to teach basic human morals to a sociopath. And with your random feminism comment you show zero interest in actually talking about the topic at hand with any kind of sincerity or logic but just trying to spin everything into something that somehow fits your black and white worldview. I'm not gonna give you a platform for your random anti-feminist agenda while I'm trying to discuss a completely different topic. So goodbye you and your delusional views. @Hakaminah Thanks for the support but I think it's pretty obvious the guy is either trolling or so delusional that no words or logic would ever get through to him. Also I think you meant 'ethically' not 'ethnically' in your last sentence :>. |
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TitoPuente said: wow, sucks to be a fan of this man No one is a fan of Nobuhiro, we're a fan of his manga. |
Supern0va101 said: TitoPuente said: wow, sucks to be a fan of this man No one is a fan of Nobuhiro, we're a fan of his manga. - poteito - potato |
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| I just give up. Some people here cannot differenate things at all. Continue to dive in your fantasies given to you by the governmet and social justicve warriors. I said everything I wanted. |
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| Isn't this old news tho? I already knew that he had to pay 200000 Yen as a fine. Edit : Nvm the manga resuming its serialization is new |
| The Anime Binge Is Life -PolarCyrus97 2k17- |
hazecloud said: I hope the western hate for basically anything_popular doesn't get to him. Rurouni Kenshin, ahh someone recommended me this back in 2013. I hope it's worth a shot to watch this. He's being hated for being into child porn not for making something popular. Samurai X: Trust and Betrayal is in the top 50 here,the series in the top 200 and the manga is in the top 50 here. |
| added the fourth most popular anime onto this site |
| Despite everything that went on with Watsuki. Is RK even worth continuing or is he just milking the series??? |
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| i condemn his action, but i'll still read RK... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
ooooh ahhahaha calm down, Lord hothead when Im talking about being fan of the mangaka, I mean being fan of their work. Why you become a fan (or an admirer of someone)? because of their work when someoen says "Im a fan of X" It means I like his work, not "I forgive the sh*t he does" just chill dude |
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Nachtwandler_21 said: I just give up. Some people here cannot differenate things at all. Continue to dive in your fantasies given to you by the governmet and social justicve warriors. I said everything I wanted. Are you trolling or actually that stupid? |
EvenJellyOn said: hazecloud said: I hope the western hate for basically anything_popular doesn't get to him. Rurouni Kenshin, ahh someone recommended me this back in 2013. I hope it's worth a shot to watch this. He's being hated for being into child porn not for making something popular. Samurai X: Trust and Betrayal is in the top 50 here,the series in the top 200 and the manga is in the top 50 here. I used to read that lolis = child porn so I was being ignorant on my part. It's the real child then. Bad reputation indeed. |
ItsXolo said: Jagd84 said: There is nothing stupid about holding creators to a higher standards especially when it comes to things that ruin or have ruined peoples lives. In Watsuki's case we aren't talking about 2D loli hentai, but stuff that involve real children. The former wouldn't have been a good look, but at least it's a imagined fantasy. It's not just western morality thing either, there are people in Japan unhappy about this decision there too. At the end of day this all just been done for money and unfortunately people with deep pockets or extreme fans don't care until something happens to them or family member. But since sends a single there are no consequences for this stuff tough luck for victims eh? Might as well make every other heinous else okay becasue "this guy does good stories". =/ He's not saying that content creators shouldn't be held accountable for crimes they commit. He's saying that people should be willing to seperate an artist from his/her creations. I'm big proponent of that but only within reason. The concept not meant to be used a get outta jail free card. It's not okay for an artist to do bluntly illegal and immortals becasue he or she is famous. You have to draw a line somewhere and Child Porn is definitely one of those times to do it. We aren't talking about some grey area like loli hentai, but actual real kids being abused and author who contributing funds fans to this shit. I will always like RK, but the author has lost any kind of respect I ever had for him and this something I can perosnally support. Nachtwandler_21 said: I just give up. Some people here cannot differenate things at all. Continue to dive in your fantasies given to you by the governmet and social justicve warriors. I said everything I wanted. Dude, you're legitimately defending the contribution and possession of actual child rape. Something illegal in most civilized countries, your faux moral relativism has no value here as this isn't a grey matter. Separating the artist from author isn't absolute rule being with, but a general guideline that cannot be applied in extreme scenarios like this. |
Iron_MawApr 24, 2018 3:17 AM
| I have no problem with separating his work from his person so I don't really care what he did. Pullman said: Drug users just hurt themselves and don't create the demand for a despicable industry. The hell they don't. Some of the worst things in the world happen around the drug industry. People being abducted, given drugs by force and then keeping them as slaves. Children and women being used as mules to smuggle drugs. People forced to work in drug labs. Dude.... come on. |
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| Japan doesn't care, it's only the west making this a big deal. The fine being so low means it's just one of those videos where the take photos in swimsuits and other skimpy outfits. The police are making in an example out of him to warn the others. |
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DmonHiro said: I have no problem with separating his work from his person so I don't really care what he did. Pullman said: Drug users just hurt themselves and don't create the demand for a despicable industry. The hell they don't. Some of the worst things in the world happen around the drug industry. People being abducted, given drugs by force and then keeping them as slaves. Children and women being used as mules to smuggle drugs. People forced to work in drug labs. Dude.... come on. It's not like that is inherently tied to the creation of drugs tho. It's human actions that develop around that, often arguably because of the illegal status of a lot of drugs and because of money. It's possible to create, distribute and consume drugs without all those things, under the right circumstances. Hence those issues are not inherently tied to the production and consumption of drugs. It's not possible, even theoretically, to create childporn without harming children so in this case, it is inherently despicable and immoral. I'm not sure why it's so hard to see the difference between being inherently unethical and harmful and being circumstantially unethical and harmful and why one is so much worse than the other. Yes, the drug industry is bad, but drug addicts don't generate a specific demand for people killing each other and exploiting each other, those just happen to be the circumstances that drugs create in a lot of parts of the world because of the context (being illegal and therefore unregulated, being quick money in a capitalistic society etc...). At the core they just want to be able to take drugs and be left alone, which is a harmless desire compared to wishing for people to rape children on video so you can watch it. I think we should all be able to agree on that? It doesn't depend on the circumstances whether that's unethical or not, it just is. Applying your logic you could say the same things about almost any industry to some degree because exploitation and fighting over money are not unique to the drug industry, it's just more extreme there because it's illegal. But it'd be silly to say someone wanting to purchase a shirt they like and not really caring what exactly happened to make him able to buy that is as bad as someone who wants to consume CP. Drugs consumers are the same. Just because bad people are in an industry doesn't make the product inherently bad. That makes all of these things different from CP, which is inherently bad. |
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Pullman said: DmonHiro said: I have no problem with separating his work from his person so I don't really care what he did. The hell they don't. Some of the worst things in the world happen around the drug industry. People being abducted, given drugs by force and then keeping them as slaves. Children and women being used as mules to smuggle drugs. People forced to work in drug labs. Dude.... come on. It's not like that is inherently tied to the creation of drugs tho. It's human actions that develop around that, often arguably because of the illegal status of a lot of drugs and because of money. It's possible to create, distribute and consume drugs without all those things, under the right circumstances. Hence those issues are not inherently tied to the production and consumption of drugs. It's not possible, even theoretically, to create childporn without harming children so in this case, it is inherently despicable and immoral. I'm not sure why it's so hard to see the difference between being inherently unethical and harmful and being circumstantially unethical and harmful and why one is so much worse than the other. Yes, the drug industry is bad, but drug addicts don't generate a specific demand for people killing each other and exploiting each other, those just happen to be the circumstances that drugs create in a lot of parts of the world because of the context (being illegal and therefore unregulated, being quick money in a capitalistic society etc...). At the core they just want to be able to take drugs and be left alone, which is a harmless desire compared to wishing for people to rape children on video so you can watch it. I think we should all be able to agree on that? It doesn't depend on the circumstances whether that's unethical or not, it just is. Applying your logic you could say the same things about almost any industry to some degree because exploitation and fighting over money are not unique to the drug industry, it's just more extreme there because it's illegal. But it'd be silly to say someone wanting to purchase a shirt they like and not really caring what exactly happened to make him able to buy that is as bad as someone who wants to consume CP. Drugs consumers are the same. Just because bad people are in an industry doesn't make the product inherently bad. That makes all of these things different from CP, which is inherently bad. Just a little ado. The reason the drug industry has all those problems aren't because of it being illegal, but because of the addiction, that forces the addicted to buy it at any cost and the buyer to have a garanteed demand just by making the client experience it enough to get the addiction. One of the first problems that happen with drug is people stealing from their family possessions to be able to buy more drug. Note how that has nothing to do with the status of the drug. One of the latest problems is people that care about that person seeing him degenerate until death. Also about the imorality. While Drug consume is not immoral in terms of the harm that does to others(even though it in fact does and is always present), it is immoral in terms of the harm it does to the people that consume it. Note that it works exactly like a parasyte, that soon or later kills its host and so doing it also kills itself. |
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