The "issue" with Loli Porn

ClaudeYuxel said:
Nice use of 'SJW' and 'Triggered'. I can tell that you're really mature.

Halpher said:


Well, this is a topic different altogether. The point is that some people should be free to enjoy their fantasy as long no one is harmed. These people chose their lifestyle and have their own preferences. The SAO point is exaggerated. She wasn't raped or anything by the tentacle. I've seen a flash animation on Newgrounds where Starfire got destroyed by tentacles. Compare that to a tentacle holding a girl upside down in a game. Some people wouldn't see how it's "sexualizing her" and despite me knowing the stereotype I didn't think of hentai when that scene happened. People watching SAO aren't thinking of sexualizing little girls and many of them don't even care about that scene or actually reference it. I tell you this because I know so many people who like SAO and watch it...

Now I do agree with your point of how media can affect society and I do understand your concern there. However, I feel it's a slippery slope because it only blames media for some people when maybe it's some other factor. I also watched Death Note and you may root for Light Yagami, but do you ever go out and kill people yourself in the name of justice?
I listened to Ready To Die by Biggie Smalls or Notorious B.I.G do I now want to go out and sell drugs, shoot at cops and rob banks?

It depends on the person. Now I still agree that media can affect society, I think it doesn't necessarily affect "all" of society, but I can see how it can affect values and culture.

InkSpider said:


The SAO scene's not blatant hentai (that's less likely to hook the main-stream audience, and thus less profitable), but it's still pretty blatantly sexualized. The tentacles feel up her bare-thigh and the camera zooms in for literally no reason other than to tease a possible panty-shot. I'd almost argue that the relative 'innocence' of the scene is what makes it so insidious. It seems to me the scene is sending the message the because nobody really got raped, it's totally okay to find this under-age girl getting her thighs groped by tentacles while the camera zooms on her pelvis sexy. The brevity of the scene also makes it harder to avoid if you find that stuff disgusting and don't expect it to pop-up in such a mainstream series. Be honest: if a potential viewer asked you about the series, how likely would you be to even mention that scene?

Light Yagami is pretty obviously a psychotic maniac with a god complex, and it's pretty hard to miss that if you're not busy fangirling over how hot he supposedly is or wishing you had the power to instantly kill people you don't like. Sure, his complexity of character and initial nobility of cause makes it almost possible to root for him, but the series never once tries to act like he's not the bad guy.

Something as blatant as murder is pretty hard to shift someone's values on. The thing is, there are genuinely people throughout the anime community and on this very site who I have heard argue (jokingly and otherwise) that there is nothing wrong with having sex with a child. It's one of those moral infractions that's a lot easier to convince oneself is merely the result of cultural differences instead of something that actually does harm. Especially when so much anime normalizes it.

Psyotic said:

lol why?

Yes, how dare people be anti-loli!

Which you were, but for some reason you've been avoiding having an argument with me like the fucking plague to the point that you won't even give me the decency of tagging me. Nice.

Yes yes, the problem is that you are just some misunderstood soul who feels the need to let everyone else know how misunderstood they are.

"Hey man, morality is just like, subjective n shit" and "Wow ur acting a lot like an SJW right now" come across as being pretty dismissive, friendo.

Psyotic said:

Haven't really had much of an argument with anyone really. Not my fault @Halpher backed out before it could go anywhere only to then bitch n moan about the things I said to him.

Psyotic said:

We are discussing ethics and morals are we not? Subjective world views. If you assume that one must present their world view as fact, rather than a product of themselves, in order to win an argument, then how are you any different than from the person @Halpher described in the OP?

He won by running away and making snide comments thinking I wouldn't see him? Seems like an odd way to celebrate victory, but what do I know? If you ask me, there wasn't much of an argument to be won in the first place.

Psyotic said:

I don't have a problem with shittalking online, it can be pretty fun honestly. But if you're going to passively aggressively talk shit and not tag me or anything, then I'm going to call you out on it.

Also yeah, you wanna point out where I disagreed with lolicon not involving real kids or shit like that? Because I'm going through this thread and I still can't find where I said that.

Psyotic said:

Seems a little odd that you accuse me of not using evidence but then don't provide any yourself when asked for it.




Didn't tag me (although he would tag other people) in any of these posts where he's talking shit or bringing up things I said. This dude seems to hold grudges against people who talk shit online (which is exceptional in and of itself) and really likes to bitch about it to other people. This entire thread seems to have been provoked by some other dude on a different forum so he came here to bitch about it.

RnDNEET021 said:
Tell that to your EGO based on how you had tons of fapping shrine while wanking at your Mom's Basement..

Psyotic said:

He could be talking to his grandmother for all I care. Him talking shit to someone else is still talking shit. Like holy fuck m8.


lmao you do realize that two of those quotes are in full and the other one is just the part that directly relates to me? What part of the "context" did I cut out pray tell? One was some other dude talking shit like a bitch and he responded. The other was him quoting some dude I was talking with and talking shit for no reason. And the third was an out of nowhere comment bitch about the comments he's getting (and ignoring) in this thread.


lol no. Telling someone they're acting like a bitch for talking shit behind someone's back isn't hold a grudge, it's telling someone that they're behaving like a fucking pussy. He can ignore my arguments all he wants, but if he says something stupid I'm going to call him out on it.


I too am too lazy to find something that doesn't exist. Don't talk shit if you're not gonna back it up, k? Otherwise you just come off as a liar, which is way worse than being a bitch.

Botan-Chan45 said:
I would but I'm too lazy.(If you didn't then sorry.)

Tensa_Wolf said:
Do loli's look like children? Yep.

Do they act like children? Hardly ever. They act more mature than they should be for their age.

Where does the sexual desire come? A virtual non existent "child", with the maturity of a 15-20 year old.

I put 'child' in quotations because personally I believe most loli's actually resemble teens around the age of 13-15.

Is loli porn considered cp? Well yes basically. And no at the same time. They don't share the same characteristics. (edit) Let me clarify I'm not in possession of anything illegal q.q

Is it wrong to like loli porn? Well is it wrong to go on a shooting spree in GTA5? Someone who goes on a murder rampage in GTA5 might get those thoughts in his head in real life, but it's your ability to disregard thoughts like that, that make you who you are.

You might like loli's and oddly be attracted to children in real life but not ever be tempted to look for anything that's against the law. Or hell you might just like loli's and hate kids in real life.

But overall. Is liking loli's wrong? Yep. Is shooting random people in GTA5 wrong? Yep. Running people over in hit and run The Simpsons game is wrong as well.

Good thing I don't have to deal with this. I like my anime women older, and dominant.

Botan-Chan45 said:
Femdom lover? I understand, you also like some sexy mature(25-40) in control. Nice taste.

Tensa_Wolf said:


Femdom seems to be associated with pegging, being whipped, and girls stepping on your balls with their heels and weird shit like that.

Not into that at all. I just like dominant females. None of the weird stuff...

hazarddex said:
@Deknijff

i still don't understand how Hestia who has adult proportions is some how a loli (is it because shes short?)

Botan-Chan45 said:
That's what I meant. I'm not talking about bdsm and masochism, just a more dominant female.

Tensa_Wolf said:


How is she a loli haha. I think people are misunderstanding that height doesn't exactly make a loli. It's the appearance of a child like character. Like Biscuit from HxH. She's like 40-50. But she's a loli based on her appearance.

hazarddex said:

looks up biscuit HxH first image that pops up

O_o

how is this loli?

Psyotic said:

Lol my b. Came across like you were being some smart ass telling saying something like "Sorry that you're too lazy to find it too." Whoopsies.


It's pretty basic shit, I know. Which makes it even more weird imo. Like "M8, you think you're gonna hurt my feelings with this weak shit?"


Lol do you really think you can tell someone's emotions because of how they're typing? Because I'm having a blast right now. I don't like it when people like @Halpher act like they're going to have a discussion and then back out (like, you're gonna make this long ass response to me and then say I'm not worth your time?). But you're fun because you actually respond and keep the conversation going.


Lol I'd put down 10 bucks that he has me on his ignore list and isn't seeing any of this shit other than what other people have quoted.

hazarddex said:

looks up biscuit HxH first image that pops up

O_o

how is this loli?

Psyotic said:

Okay? The general idea is still that I'm not worth talking to.

Doesn't change the fact that he's been ignoring me ever since he responded to my first post and will probably continue to do so.

nicethings said:
Stop talking about the ethics of loli porn and just admit your degeneracy sheesh
Also keep that crap to yourself in the first place, no one wants to hear about it

nicethings said:
Stop talking about the ethics of loli porn and just admit your degeneracy sheesh
Also keep that crap to yourself in the first place, no one wants to hear about it

hazarddex said:


while i do agree it is disgusting i don't agree that all characters some people think are lolis are in fact lolis i.e hestia from Danmachi.

Tensa_Wolf said:


Hestia isn't a loli... She's fully formed and tall. Loli's are characters with childlike appearances. No boobs or butt, and the size of 10-12 year olds. (13 at most)

Botan-Chan45 said:
You know you didn't have to be here if you don't want see it. Literally just ignore this topic if you don't care.

Saucy said:
"People watch loli porn for aesthetics, character, art-style, and story."

Halpher said:
I think that people can like Loli Porn for many possible reasons. I don't dismiss one reason being because they're sexually attracted to minors, but I keep in mind many other reasons. I keep the aesthetic being a possible reason and just frankly context of the character in question. A character can be older while looking young. Some people perceive things diferently.

Halpher said:
I also don't think that everyone who simply may like it is for the sole reason of them being a pedophile, but other possible reasons such as: Aesthetics, Context with the Character, Art-Style, etc. I still include pedophilia being a possible reason for them liking it, but not the only or main reason.

Halpher said:

Botan-Chan45 said:

People who read loli hentai aren't even interested in irl kids. Most of the time they like the character designs and like the action in the hentai.(sometimes the story and artstyle.) Heck just go on Tsumino and look up loli. Their is just a wide variety of stuff from loli. To happy sex to scat. Just depends what the persons motives are and tastes.

hazarddex said:
@Deknijff

i still don't understand how Hestia who has adult proportions is some how a loli (is it because shes short?)

Halpher said:

Saucy said:



Calm down, I didn't say that was your stance. I was refuting the claim that people who watch it may watch it for those reasons. That's a really weak excuse which amounts to saying: "I watch videos on PornHub because the stories are interesting, the characters are cool, and the camera work is awesome."

No. Don't kid yourself.

Also, stop trying to get "gotcha" moments by assuming that everyone is out to get you or misrepresent your views. Cool your jets and actually read.

Halpher said:


How was I supposed to know this was a response to everyone who said stated that? You can quote someone to make it more clear, but you didn't.

topazio said:
This thread is truly one of those "fall of western civilization" moments.

You know what's funny? A lot of japanese people realize that. They realize that shit like loli porn and eroguro are but symptoms of the extreme infantilization of Japan, and just the same for those outside of it who condone such things.

Yet we can always count on weebs from the west to defend them lol

topazio said:
This thread is truly one of those "fall of western civilization" moments.

You know what's funny? A lot of japanese people realize that. They realize that shit like loli porn and eroguro are but symptoms of the extreme infantilization of Japan, and just the same for those outside of it who condone such things.

Yet we can always count on weebs from the west to defend them lol