The "issue" with Loli Porn

Halpher said:


I never had that in mind. How much money do Cartoon Porn artists make? If it really is extremely profitable to that degree or atleast gets them by then how much do they earn distributing or creating such art?

Clebardman said:
@Kagami I know you don't like me, but I'd be pleased if you read. "This restriction of freedom of thought goes against basic human rights" isn't a fact. Watching free porn online isn't a fucking basic human right, lolis or not.

I don't think I treated @Pullman with a hollier-than-thou attitude. I disagree with some of his points and I'm abrasive on that topic, but he's able to give better arguments than "My basic human rights :'c" and I have respect for that.

jaklefire said:
5. Criminalizing Loli hentai is criminalizing an aspect of imagination, since lolis do not exist in reality. This restriction of freedom of thought goes against basic human rights.

Konakana said:
Nobody can be a pedophile as we are all of the same age, our bodies composed of molecules created in the seemingly singular instant that the universe was born. This material has been recycled throughout eons existing in various forms and hence, we are all equally old.

Bourmegar said:

Actually that seems to happen more with shounen shows as far as I have seen.
Most Seinen, Shoujo and Josei don't have such disproportionate curves as far as I know.

Halpher said:


Can you show me a picture? I feel I'm imagining too far off...
Gurren Lugan is a shonen, but stick with me.
Yoko doesn't have disproportionately big boobs, but Shizuka from High School of the Dead has huge tits.....
Is Yoko the type of girl you're referring to?

Bourmegar said:


Well Yoko is sexy AF but no. I am more referring to the likes of Fairy tail where girls either have big boobs or are flat.
Or characters like Modern Nami from one piece

I mean she has big breasts and butt but she is so slender...

Halpher said:


Ah, I see what you're saying now. Look at her stomach. An example of a female character who is more "realistic"?

Botan-Chan45 said:
Mental retardation appeared. #nomorecharlimit

ExactlyStandard said:
If someone watches loli porn they're probably a pedophile. Sorry, but it's the truth.

You said:
My stance on this topic is basically what @Clebardman said except that I don't found that unslightly. I've jerked off to my fair share of loli porn myself.

Btw damn Cleb, you've watched Monmusu???

Dr-Octagon said:

Pedophile appeared, hide your kids everyone.

Clebardman said:
@Kagami I know you don't like me, but I'd be pleased if you read. "This restriction of freedom of thought goes against basic human rights" isn't a fact. Watching free porn online isn't a fucking basic human right, lolis or not.

I don't think I treated @Pullman with a hollier-than-thou attitude. I disagree with some of his points and I'm abrasive on that topic, but he's able to give better arguments than "My basic human rights :'c" and I have respect for that.

Sonal1988 said:


Reality cheque: People make sexualized lolis bc they're paid to do so. Very few artists would be happy and willing to delve into such a genre. And honestly, money trumps morality. If I were an artist and someone paid me good money to create lolis, I wouldn't think twice before taking up on their offer (despite my negative feelings about sexualization of children). We're all hypocrites willing to sell out souls for money.
Don't blame the artists - blame the audience for consuming such media.

Sonal1988 said:


I dunno about the porn industry, but the anime industry (with the exception of KyoAni) often hires freelancers from South East Asia to get the work done. In order to compete with them, Japanese artists have to satisfy themselves with basically minimum pay wages. The hours are gruelling, so they don't leave much room for freelancing, par time jobs or even personal hobbies.

Botan-Chan45 said:
Some productions have studios in places like Korea or Thailand and pay the worker there to get the drawings done and stuff. Practically they do some scenes for shows and and Japan does the rest. Toei animations is one of the more famous studios that do this and their work has shown it in stuff like DragknBall Super

Sonal1988 said:


Really? Do you mind sharing some links on this topic?

Botan-Chan45 said:
https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-Japanese-anime-is-actually-drawn-in-Japan one of the posters actually has a well done response to this and answered it well. Though it is common knowledge that any animation studio outsources their works so that the time crunch isn't bad.

Sonal1988 said:


I actually didn't know about the Korea bit. Thank you!

Corvus8 said:
People like this mostly don't even know shit about the whole industry. If you think that loli porn should be illegal you probably only heard about it on some blog or watched like 2-3 hentai.

Loli porn is pretty goddamn vanilla compared to some other fetishes in hentai.
And to not just count lolis, but pedophilia as a whole, most hentai characters are in highschool. So yeah, basically most of it is jerking off to minors.

Anyways, it's completely irrelevant to discuss something like that about a media where shit like tentacle rape happens. A 60 year old can look like a 10 year old and vice versa.
It's seriously the same people that think that violent video games make school-shooters.

Nevertheless, anyone who faps to lolis has garbage taste.

Botan-Chan45 said:

No problem! At this point it's common knowledge to people who are ankmtion in general. I'd also recommend Shirabako as it also shows an animators life and how they do some stuff in the industry.(You probably watched it already though.)

jaklefire said:
@Halpher
The basic human right I'm referring to is freedom of expression. Since lolis do not represent real people (and in the case where someone is drawing loli hentai from reference, that SHOULD be illegal because it is molestation of the subject. Taking someone's likeness and making porn out of it should require consent but that's another problem entirely) they are an expression of someone's imagination. Someone has has the right to express what is on their mind be it through words, text or images. It wouldn't be illegal to draw someone being mangled with a chainsaw or fucked by a boar, how then is drawing the likeness of a nude child any different?

As for those who feel that lolicon does not qualify as art, one must ask what is art? The Miller Test was a test designed to determine whether or not something is protected under the umbrella of free speech. The problem with this is that it determines whether something is obscene by adhering to "agreed up community standards determined by an average person". The problem here is that this can apply to all fetishes. Should BDSM be criminalized because it does not appeal to an average person, is patently offensive in a sexual way and holds no literary, artistic, political, or scientific value?

Pornography has some value, or else people would not pay for it. To criminalize lolicon is to criminalize all animated fetish porn since a distinction that applies to only loli hentai can be extrapolated to cover guro, scat, egg laying, expansion, rape, BDSM and all sorts of other niche fetishes. It is the duty of the law to protect the free speech and rights of minority groups instead of ostracizing and normalizing them.

Hero_Luka said:
I like my lolis in 2D form, 3D is a turn off for me. Don't ask me why, I don't get it either.

Kittens-kun said:


Truth? Huh, I've never seen the word bullshit spelled like that. Interesting.

senorblu said:
If anyone ever asks why there is such a stigma around watching anime just show them this wonderful thread

ExactlyStandard said:
If someone watches loli porn they're probably a pedophile. Sorry, but it's the truth.

aliquae said:
Loli porn is not my cup of tea, however I think it is fine as long as you can separate fiction from reality. Because there are always people who can't do that, which is probably why loli porn is associated with pedophilia.

DoctorWasabi said:


So when you play a videogame where you kill people, then you're probably a serial killer in real life ?

....Holy shit do you have autism ?

DoctorWasabi said:


So when you play a videogame where you kill people, then you're probably a serial killer in real life ?

....Holy shit do you have autism ?

Halpher said:


How is it irrelevant? Not to misinterpret your point or anything, but your wording approaching this can create misunderstanding. I want to know who are you referring to when you said, "People like this". Is it me or the person in the story I brought up? Likely you meant the person I brought up seeing you bring up "if you think it should be illegal". I'd ask you to be more clear for more efficient dialogue. I don't think it's irrelevant in this sense to discuss about this as this conversation isn't solely about the ethics, but it's relation to pedophilia as well. Should it be illegal?
Seeing your subsequent sentences make it obvious on what you think.

To what you brought up by the way..I actually forgot that Hentai from what people stereotype it as is usually high school girls getting raped or f**ked by tentacle monsters. It's due to me seeing hentai and it not all being tentacle rape. It's not even in my mind that the girls are sometimes high school girls.

Energetic-Nova said:


actually, weird thing is, you are probably the autistic one being attracted to not human things.... and identifying more with the expressions in 2D than 3D....

Halpher said:

A problem I had with the person I referenced in my OP is how even if Loli Porn isn't your thing and you don't really watch it or like it, but express how it's not really a problem, for some reason you're a sick person.
That mentality to me is so closed-minded and judgmental as anyone who disagrees is sick for the reason that they're sick.

It's how I one time told that person that Pedophiles don't like Kids because they're sick like how Murders don't simply kill for the sole reason that they're sick. The "Sick" part comes from how you perceive the action or thought which isn't bad, but your opinion. I mainly was saying that Pedos like kids because something about kids they find attractive about them as like Serial Killers do it because something about it they may like. Looking at it this way actually helps you assess and interpret things better than just handling it with emotion. If we can understand things better can we handle things better. It's the same for Science and Engineering. You need to understand things to understand why it happens and how it works.

Corvus8 said:


Should be pretty obvious that i'm referring to the person you mentioned.

It is irrelevant, because of how endless the discussion is. It is quite a niche media in which anything possible can be added into it. Trying to ban just the lolicon aspect of it would be incredibly close-minded, because like i said, there's way more immoral stuff existing.

Does it have a relation to pedophilia? Obviously. But it's not real. The loli isn't real, so no one gets harmed and i would say it actually lessens the instances of someone commiting pedophilia in real life.

It's just art. People are drawn to something they find aesthetically pleasing.

aliquae said:


It's an interesting perspective, but I do think pedophiles are sick in their head. Murderers however can have different reasons for murdering, but no one in their right mind wants to do sexual things with a kid.

However, that's a different issue then the person you're talking about. He says basically: if you don't like violent movies but don't express how it's a problem, then you're a violent person yourself. And that's just retarded. However, I draw the line with real child porn, only pedophiles watch that. in my opinion. I do think child porn is different from loli porn, however.

I hope this post makes sense somehow, haha.

Botan-Chan45 said:
Is it you?Because this post is just retarded. #Monkey