RainDancing said: christ almighty i wanna live in a world where people don't genuinely discuss this shite Well, uh, I am sorry, man. O.O I didn't mean to kill your vibe or anything. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
Clebardman said: @YayaChibi and what does MonMusu slaps onto its sexy tree, or Redline onto its sexy mecha? Oh yes, human sexual characteristics. They're depictions of women with a few non-sexual weird characteristics, but all in all they're still depictions of women, just like a loli is the depiction of an underage girl, no matter if she's a human or cat or vampire loli. It's not as if the average MonMusu watcher was fapping to Kii's leaves. I knew someone would give me the sexy mechas argument tho. Not surprised to see it's you, lol lmao. (^: @Energetic-Nova Yes, the whole shota thing is the same. Somehow Boku no Pico is a meme people watch in disgust, and loli porn is like "be open-minded, it's just fictiooooon, man". Or how you can be too furry, but apparently can't love 2d lolis too much. Honestly, Shinji is hmkay for me. Like, he's not prepubescent and old enough to care about getting laid... Probably not with a 20+ yo girl who owns his flat and is his superior at work, tho. @-PlaceHolder- it's not about looking, it's about representing/depicting something. As I pointed out, anime is a figurative art form. Hentai doesn't look like porn but it's still a pornographic depiction of sexual acts, and that's the reason why people go after it, am I right? Why would it be any different for loli porn? The Boku No Pico point is very interesting. When I saw you bring it up I thought, "Hmm, what he said is apparent." I feel there is something wrong there as I may feel it could be directed at me or I'm simply misunderstanding who your reply is directed at. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| Ah.. What a great topic to talk about. It's funny because I also had a debate with a friend that just can't seem to comprehend what loli really is. He thinks it's straight up child porn when it's not. I kept telling him over and over again that these lolis don't have the maturity and a body of an actual child in real life, and I have multiple explanations, like how it's extremely dangerous for a child in real life to have sexual intercourse, and how they're innocent and aren't fully mature enough to understand the pleasure and the risks of sex. This is why involving children in sex is sincerely disgusting and immoral and is illegal. Their bodies and their state of mind aren't mature enough for risk-free sex. The lolis in hentai may be at an equal age as these children in real life, but he also doesn't understand that real life ≠ loli hentai. These children's bodies are mature enough to have risk-free sex, and they themselves understand what sex is and know some stuff about it. While children in real life may know a little about sexual relations, their bodies are certainly not mature enough to handle intercourse. In loli hentai, we see these children having sexual intercourse without any problem, when in real life there would be injuries and dangerous effects on these children. This is why the children in loli hentai are not the same as children in real life. What they are is the equivalent of a "petite" in real life porn. Women that have the maturity of someone with age of consent, but have a small body that makes them look like a child. While I tell him all this, he's still preoccupied by a number (age) that is definitely meaningful in real life, but holds no significance in loli hentai. While he fails to understand this, at least he doesn't really care and shows a considerable amount of respect, knowing that I keep these thought towards hentai and that I have a barrier between real life and fiction. That's my story and these are my thoughts on loli hentai, hope I got your attention :D |
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Clebardman said: @YayaChibi and what does MonMusu slaps onto its sexy tree, or Redline onto its sexy mecha? Oh yes, human sexual characteristics. They're depictions of women with a few non-sexual weird characteristics, but all in all they're still depictions of women, just like a loli is the depiction of an underage girl, no matter if she's a human or cat or vampire loli. It's not as if the average MonMusu watcher was fapping to Kii's leaves. I knew someone would give me the sexy mechas argument tho. Not surprised to see it's you, lol lmao. (^: @Energetic-Nova Yes, the whole shota thing is the same. Somehow Boku no Pico is a meme people watch in disgust, and loli porn is like "be open-minded, it's just fictiooooon, man". Or how you can be too furry, but apparently can't love 2d lolis too much. Honestly, Shinji is hmkay for me. Like, he's not prepubescent and old enough to care about getting laid... Probably not with a 20+ yo girl who owns his flat and is his superior at work, tho. I always call him a borderline shota. But yeah, he is kinda shorter than Yugi from Yugioh... mostly because of more normal proportions, he doesn’t looke 4’10 in the original, but look at him stand next to others lol. The youngest characters I have liked that way are from the Digimon franchise but when I watched it I was the age of the characters to be fair.... lol. |
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| Here is an interesting paper on this subject but for those who don't have the time to read a 20+ page paper I'll summarize why lolicon and pedophilia are different and why lolicon should not be criminalized. 1. No one is harmed in the making of lolicon 2. There is no evidence to suggest that loli hentai turns non-pedophiles into pedophiles 2a. There is no evidence to suggest that reducing loli hentai reduces sexual assault of minors. 2b. Japan has a lower instance of sexual assault of minors than America despite Loli being legal in Japan and criminalized in the States. 3. Many fans of Lolicon engage in moe, or an attraction to animated characters, which is rooted in the fact that they are NOT real. 4. Fictional characters do not age and thus are not subjected to the same laws which define child pornography. Consider their eyes, they do not look human and should not be treated as such for purposes of censorship. 5. Criminalizing Loli hentai is criminalizing an aspect of imagination, since lolis do not exist in reality. This restriction of freedom of thought goes against basic human rights. |
| @Halpher it wasn't targeted at anyone in particular. @jacklefire 5. Criminalizing Loli hentai is criminalizing an aspect of imagination, since lolis do not exist in reality. This restriction of freedom of thought goes against basic human rights. Eeeeew, big words to defend loli porn. I'm outta here, that's as much as I can take without dying of laughter or getting pissed off. |
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| The real issue with loli porn/hentai in general is that there is no middle ground. It's either big tits hags or flat chest children. Can't I have a 19-22 year old B-cup gal in peace? See? This is why real porn is superior :D |
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Halpher said: isekai said: as long as you can separate fiction from reality then its fine problem is some people take fiction as reality already Definitely. Instead of worrying about Loli-Porn...how about they worry about something more important? I don't want to say they can't express how they dislike it, but they make it seem like it's the biggest threat to national security. im also saying that lolicons tend to take fiction as reality so they may act on that lolicon urges in real life |
| There is indeed a lot of problem with loli porn. Don't worry, lolicon hentai will save you. |
| yay... yet another closet lolicon just embrace it bruh.. lolis are hot |
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| Before I go on a rant, just a disclaimer for all YOU out there. If you think Loli Porn is awesome, good on you. It's not for me, but if it works for you so be it. We can't all be normal. Anyway; I personally have a very big problem with it, and I'm tired of people calling it innocent. When has child porn ever been innocent? What, we're meant to give it a free pass because it's a drawing, and that Anime is subjective!!! Fuck- right -off! So if I was to draw a naked child - caked in jizz with several dongs penetrating her body - you could honestly tell me straight faced, 'that's ok!' Maybe it's not hurting anybody - I'll admit that - but, by God, it sure as hell is a slippery slope towards actual Pedofilia (Having trouble spelling it). Anyway, that's just my two cents about the topic. |
Um, I don't know what makes me a closet lolicon. I just don't think it equates automatically to pedophilia. I don't know how that makes me a guy who likes Lolis. I never really cared for Lolis or thought about it until people started to make it such a big thing or maybe I didn't know and was ignorant of Lolicons until I surfed the net. I like looking at real women than more than anything animated. That's more of my thing. @Aann I know what you mean. I respect your opinion on this subject. I think having an attraction towards children can be a motivation for liking Lolis. I don't want to dismiss or remove that reason from the possible explanation for the preference. My personal opinion is that it isn't hurting anyone and that liking Loli porn isn't necessarily a result of being a pedophile and it doesn't necessarily make you one. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
le_halfhand_easy said: The real issue with loli porn/hentai in general is that there is no middle ground. It's either big tits hags or flat chest children. Can't I have a 19-22 year old B-cup gal in peace? See? This is why real porn is superior :D Damn...I just thought about that... Usually, every girl in anime has unusually big tits and it's so unrealisitic, man. LMAO, I find it more comedic. Prison School had so much fanservice, but yet it made me laugh than made me grab a sock and lotion. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
Battlechili said: There is absolutely nothing wrong with loli content. Any insinuation that it has any relationship whatsoever is ridiculous imo. Lolicon and pedophilia have nothing to do with each other. To be honest, I think it can have a relation to each other. Lolis can be perceived as kids. It is the reason we are having the conversation and why this conversation or thought exists anyway. People perceive Lolis as kids from their standpoint or by the context of a narrative. If a guy likes a Loli it can be for the sole reason of them being a child or having something related to a kid. I think it depends. I just think that it's not solely due to pedophilia, but something else at times if I look at it from another point of view. Like some people like Death Note for different reasons and talking to people and hearing what the prefer can help you understand them. Maybe the person who indulges likes something that isn't due to the child factor, but something completely different hence the possibility. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| As I've said before, lolis are absolutely nothing like real children, in the same way the women in hentai are nothing like women in real life (no, most women do not get instant cravings for cock as soon as it's whipped out or yell out "You're going to get me pregnant!" as you bang them). Real children are gross. Real children are annoying. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
CatSoul said: True. Real children are mini hitlers without anything going for them.As I've said before, lolis are absolutely nothing like real children, in the same way the women in hentai are nothing like women in real life (no, most women do not get instant cravings for cock as soon as it's whipped out or yell out "You're going to get me pregnant!" as you bang them). Real children are gross. Real children are annoying. |
| Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists. Good song https://soundcloud.com/yeungkakit33/op4-hekireki-last-alliance Tsumino account is BigMaraIppo Another Good Song Listen to γγΉγ by mukami #np on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/mukami/77a Ashita no Joe and Megalo box are disappointing anime. My reviews:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Botan-Chan45/reviews Best Naruto Op: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCNZxOBVWM&list=RDByCNZxOBVWM&index=1 discord name: Chitoge Kirisaki#9564 https://discord.gg/nGKu6zx my discord server for plebs |
| Nothing wrong with it. Just people who think having a high moral compass makes them better. |
| Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists. Good song https://soundcloud.com/yeungkakit33/op4-hekireki-last-alliance Tsumino account is BigMaraIppo Another Good Song Listen to γγΉγ by mukami #np on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/mukami/77a Ashita no Joe and Megalo box are disappointing anime. My reviews:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Botan-Chan45/reviews Best Naruto Op: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCNZxOBVWM&list=RDByCNZxOBVWM&index=1 discord name: Chitoge Kirisaki#9564 https://discord.gg/nGKu6zx my discord server for plebs |
Halpher said: assyrian said: there is no issue with loli porn unless you live in a country where its illegal The guy I referenced wants to make it illegal everywhere. Others shame you and make you out to be a pedophile for liking it. I don't think it's an "issue", but people who don't like it and shame people for liking it. Thats on them. I personally feel like loli hentai isnt wrong and could spend paragraphs explaining why, but did there done that. I think people who obsess over loli porn being wrong need to get over themselves though. Learn not to give two shits. @Clebardman: Why even post if instead of defending your point, you make a bold stance and then flee, pretending to take the holier-than-thou road. This is why I cannot stand these debates. They go nowhere every damn time and typically when faced with facts, the loli haters flee. |
KagamiMar 22, 2018 9:40 PM
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Halpher said: because it is both child-pornography and illegal in most countries including your own. assyrian said: there is no issue with loli porn unless you live in a country where its illegal The guy I referenced wants to make it illegal everywhere. Others shame you and make you out to be a pedophile for liking it. I don't think it's an "issue", but people who don't like it and shame people for liking it. |
| This, people, is what I call a civil conversation that's not a screaming match on who's right. @Halpher I respect what your saying, and on some levels you are right. It most certainly isn't hurting anybody, nor is it creating new Predators... But in saying that it doesn't disgust me any less. It doesn't make me look at the picture in a new artistic light, because it isn't 'Real.' At the end of the day Loli Porn knows exactly what it what's to be. I'm clearly not the target audience at all. And for a few others saying this, just because it's a drawing doesn't make it any less porny. Don't be ridiculous. |
| @Adi-Buddha Generally the definition of a Pedophile is 'Some who is sexually attracted to children.' Least that's what I've been taught about it. I find though it's more of an umbrella term, and not just for those who molest children. |
| I don't have pronlems with people liking Loli Porn, but I have problems with the people that created the Loli Porn in the first place. I mean, you can like it and there's no problem unless the character is in reality a child of less than ~15 years, then I don't think it's good but it still is harmless (if it's between two characters of the same age aproximately I mean, if one is 12 and the other 26 then It's totally not ok). But the people who made it... What were they thinking when making a loli to be sexualized? That childs can be sexy so they can sexualize them fictionally? Or just because it brings money? I'll give them the benefit of the doubt but I dislike them very much then. |
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| imo as long as it's not an actual child then ya good |
Aann said: This, people, is what I call a civil conversation that's not a screaming match on who's right. @Halpher I respect what your saying, and on some levels you are right. It most certainly isn't hurting anybody, nor is it creating new Predators... But in saying that it doesn't disgust me any less. It doesn't make me look at the picture in a new artistic light, because it isn't 'Real.' At the end of the day Loli Porn knows exactly what it what's to be. I'm clearly not the target audience at all. And for a few others saying this, just because it's a drawing doesn't make it any less porny. Don't be ridiculous. Its porn, but a different scale. Firstly, loli porn and real deal should NEVER be compared on most scales as one harms somebody and the other typically does not. Also, I do believe some lolicons are pedophiles, but I also know that some fans of any other media are as well. Im not a lolicon really, but can be attracted to some. Though, I have zero attraction to flat chests in real life. Point is, that proves its plausible to like one, but not the real deal. |
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Clebardman said: The "lolis don't look like children" argument is horseshit. Anime is a figurative art form, lolis represent little girls, and they have the sexual characteristics of little girls. If it's not about little girls, then why lolis and not anime trees or cats or cars? It's true however that no child is hurt in the process, and that as far as I'm concerned, unless someone shows credibledata that loli porn increases the chance of someone to attack a real little girl, it's not a problem. But the contorsions of some loli lovers who insist into pretending that shit isn't creepy are seriously unsightly. this statement is all the thread needs |
ExactlyStandard said: Mental retardation appeared. #nomorecharlimitIf someone watches loli porn they're probably a pedophile. Sorry, but it's the truth. |
| Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists. Good song https://soundcloud.com/yeungkakit33/op4-hekireki-last-alliance Tsumino account is BigMaraIppo Another Good Song Listen to γγΉγ by mukami #np on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/mukami/77a Ashita no Joe and Megalo box are disappointing anime. My reviews:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Botan-Chan45/reviews Best Naruto Op: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCNZxOBVWM&list=RDByCNZxOBVWM&index=1 discord name: Chitoge Kirisaki#9564 https://discord.gg/nGKu6zx my discord server for plebs |
| possession of real child porn is condomend everywhere, nobody disagree with this except some sucko... japan will jail you for such a thing... drawn lolicon porn is not a criminal, since nobody is actually harmed... they are as stupid as criminalize tough whcih is extreamly arbitary.... the age is just number slapped to a drawn picture... also it's reduced actual child sexual abuse... just like normal porn... most popular lolicon porn magazine in japan that suggest you to forgot reality because it will make you land in jail, so buy them.... doesn't make it totaly not creepy tho... |
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| I'm not into loli but I do like shota from time to time, so it falls under the same umbrella. No kids are being harmed in the making of it, there's no evidence to suggest that liking shota or loli makes you an actual pedo, and shotas don't even look like actual kids. And I know someone here said that saying lolis don't look like kids is dumb, but as far as shotas go I live with my younger brothers and they aren't attractive AT ALL, and look nothing like the shotas I've seen in douijins, hell I feel gross just typing that sentence. And if you think liking cartoon characters with small proportions is on the same level as kidnapping and raping kids while filming it then Imma stuff you in a locker you nerd. |
| Don’t lose hope. There are still people who have enough IQ and sanity to differentiate fiction and reality. |
| @Kagami That's awesome if you enjoy it! Really! I on the other hand absolutely despise it and no amount of; "It's not like real child porn." Is gonna change my opinion on that. Sure, it is not like real child porn, but I'll tell you one thing, it's sits half a rung above the 'real' thing. |
Halpher said: Um, I don't know what makes me a closet lolicon. I just don't think it equates automatically to pedophilia. I don't know how that makes me a guy who likes Lolis. I never really cared for Lolis or thought about it until people started to make it such a big thing or maybe I didn't know and was ignorant of Lolicons until I surfed the net. I like looking at real women than more than anything animated. That's more of my thing. haha well you actually sound reasonable here considering i didn't read ALL THAT OP lol |
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| @Kagami I know you don't like me, but I'd be pleased if you read. "This restriction of freedom of thought goes against basic human rights" isn't a fact. Watching free porn online isn't a fucking basic human right, lolis or not. I don't think I treated @Pullman with a hollier-than-thou attitude. I disagree with some of his points and I'm abrasive on that topic, but he's able to give better arguments than "My basic human rights :'c" and I have respect for that. |
DeathkoMar 23, 2018 4:26 AM
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| The reason why I like loli porn is the context, one of my favorite is a loli and a shota getting it on. Well, that is all hentai really. There are scenarios that I find irresistibly hot, likewise with normal porn. Nice friend you have there btw, particularly reminds me of one side of the anime community. |
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| I don't think loli hentai should be illegal since nobody got violated during it production unlike real CP... But you like loli hentai you still are disgusting pedo |
SuzuMine-chan said: I don't have pronlems with people liking Loli Porn, but I have problems with the people that created the Loli Porn in the first place. I mean, you can like it and there's no problem unless the character is in reality a child of less than ~15 years, then I don't think it's good but it still is harmless (if it's between two characters of the same age aproximately I mean, if one is 12 and the other 26 then It's totally not ok). But the people who made it... What were they thinking when making a loli to be sexualized? That childs can be sexy so they can sexualize them fictionally? Or just because it brings money? I'll give them the benefit of the doubt but I dislike them very much then. Oh! An interesting take. You feel that the people who made the pornographic content are in a sense disgusting to you? |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
Konakana said: Nobody can be a pedophile as we are all of the same age, our bodies composed of molecules created in the seemingly singular instant that the universe was born. This material has been recycled throughout eons existing in various forms and hence, we are all equally old. W...what? What are you talking about, man? |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
Halpher said: Yes, basically that. Because in order for some pornographic material to be made there has to be someone who does it; no matters how normal or weird it is. For example, if a porn film is about an orgy in a forest maybe someone may like it but the weird thing is how this film was even thinked of being made.SuzuMine-chan said: I don't have pronlems with people liking Loli Porn, but I have problems with the people that created the Loli Porn in the first place. I mean, you can like it and there's no problem unless the character is in reality a child of less than ~15 years, then I don't think it's good but it still is harmless (if it's between two characters of the same age aproximately I mean, if one is 12 and the other 26 then It's totally not ok). But the people who made it... What were they thinking when making a loli to be sexualized? That childs can be sexy so they can sexualize them fictionally? Or just because it brings money? I'll give them the benefit of the doubt but I dislike them very much then. Oh! An interesting take. You feel that the people who made the pornographic content are in a sense disgusting to you? |
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Halpher said: Technically speaking, our atoms have existed forever and when we "die" is just our atoms being used by other species, things or whatever can it be used. So, we are "the same age" because we have existed forever (our atoms were). That's what I think the commenter meant.Konakana said: Nobody can be a pedophile as we are all of the same age, our bodies composed of molecules created in the seemingly singular instant that the universe was born. This material has been recycled throughout eons existing in various forms and hence, we are all equally old. W...what? What are you talking about, man? |
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SuzuMine-chan said: Halpher said: Yes, basically that. Because in order for some pornographic material to be made there has to be someone who does it; no matters how normal or weird it is. For example, if a porn film is about an orgy in a forest maybe someone may like it but the weird thing is how this film was even thinked of being made.Oh! An interesting take. You feel that the people who made the pornographic content are in a sense disgusting to you? Reality cheque: People make sexualized lolis bc they're paid to do so. Very few artists would be happy and willing to delve into such a genre. And honestly, money trumps morality. If I were an artist and someone paid me good money to create lolis, I wouldn't think twice before taking up on their offer (despite my negative feelings about sexualization of children). We're all hypocrites willing to sell out souls for money. Don't blame the artists - blame the audience for consuming such media. |
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| To b -Lofn- said: The reason why I like loli porn is the context, one of my favorite is a loli and a shota getting it on. Well, that is all hentai really. There are scenarios that I find irresistibly hot, likewise with normal porn. Nice friend you have there btw, particularly reminds me of one side of the anime community. *Former friend. I kinda regret offering my hospitality and being open to discuss topics with that guy due to how he just behaves in a very disrespectful manner. I felt I wasted my time. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
| Oh wow where have i seen this fucking thread before? |
| ppl don't think their opinions be wrong, but it do. |
SuzuMine-chan said: Technically speaking, our atoms have existed forever and when we "die" is just our atoms being used by other species, things or whatever can it be used. So, we are "the same age" because we have existed forever (our atoms were). That's what I think the commenter meant. That is just extremely contrived technicalities. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
Sonal1988 said: SuzuMine-chan said: Yes, basically that. Because in order for some pornographic material to be made there has to be someone who does it; no matters how normal or weird it is. For example, if a porn film is about an orgy in a forest maybe someone may like it but the weird thing is how this film was even thinked of being made. Reality cheque: People make sexualized lolis bc they're paid to do so. Very few artists would be happy and willing to delve into such a genre. And honestly, money trumps morality. If I were an artist and someone paid me good money to create lolis, I wouldn't think twice before taking up on their offer (despite my negative feelings about sexualization of children). We're all hypocrites willing to sell out souls for money. Don't blame the artists - blame the audience for consuming such media. I never had that in mind. How much money do Cartoon Porn artists make? If it really is extremely profitable to that degree or atleast gets them by then how much do they earn distributing or creating such art? |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
AlanWeebus said: Oh wow where have i seen this fucking thread before? ? I don't know. You've been here since September 2017, so maybe you've seen this a couple of times. I'm just guessing due to myself not seeing this "thread" before. I assume you're being sarcastic. I feel this thread has been mostly respectful so far as some people have their own feelings on the topic. Your reply makes me feel that you think I'm being redundant by bringing this subject up. |
| Sincerely, from Scorpio. |
Halpher said: le_halfhand_easy said: The real issue with loli porn/hentai in general is that there is no middle ground. It's either big tits hags or flat chest children. Can't I have a 19-22 year old B-cup gal in peace? See? This is why real porn is superior :D Damn...I just thought about that... Usually, every girl in anime has unusually big tits and it's so unrealisitic, man. LMAO, I find it more comedic. Prison School had so much fanservice, but yet it made me laugh than made me grab a sock and lotion. Actually that seems to happen more with shounen shows as far as I have seen. Most Seinen, Shoujo and Josei don't have such disproportionate curves as far as I know. |
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