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Mar 9, 2018 5:58 PM
#1
I've watched a few from China and South Korea, and they're okay at best. I'm curious have you guys seen any anime made outside of Japan, and if so, what do you think of the anime you've seen? What's your general opinion of anime made from outside of Japan? |
Mar 9, 2018 6:07 PM
#3
Only seen a few pure chinese anime. The directing are general subpar, but the animation is, on average, better than the usual anime. King's Avatar is probably my favorite so far. Chao You Bing was pretty funny. |
Mar 9, 2018 6:10 PM
#4
Idk it's weird because although they have the same looks and such, there's just something about it not being made in Japan that really bugs me for some reason |
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Mar 9, 2018 6:20 PM
#5
I don't think those are considered anime. |
Mar 9, 2018 7:38 PM
#6
In weaboo voice "B-but it's not Japanese". |
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Mar 9, 2018 8:03 PM
#7
I don't really consider them to be true anime. They can still be entertaining, but I haven't personally seen any aeni (Korean anime) or donghua (Chinese anime) that have actually been all that great. I found Turning Mecard to be a fun aeni to watch, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone looking for good anime. |
Mar 9, 2018 8:06 PM
#8
They, technically, are better. RWBY has more creativity and passion in its production more than most anime I've seen Avatar the Last Airbender ascends God-tier in everything. -Fox Spirit Matchmaker avoids everything I hate about romcoms. |
Mar 9, 2018 8:20 PM
#9
There are some decent Chinese anime. Ling Qi & Ling Qi 2 are good; Uncharted Walker (Mi Yu Xing Zhe) is really good and airing this season. Evil or Live from last season was good. An EXTREMELY good Chinese anime film I saw just today was way above expectations. My top recommend out of any I've mentioned: https://myanimelist.net/anime/10259/Da_Yu_Hai_Tang I haven't watched much Korean; the only one that comes to mind right now is Elsword: El-ui Yeoin and it was meh, not very good. But that's too small of a sample size on Korean for me to have an opinion. |
Mar 9, 2018 8:29 PM
#10
There's that one really good anime from the US, prob one of the best ever I Just cant quite remember the name of it right now O RITE AVATAR the last airbender xD xD |
Mar 9, 2018 8:31 PM
#11
I've seen there she is which is a short series from south korea I believe and I thought it was pretty good I've seen 2 chinese based anime the kings avatar i thought it meh and quanzhi fashi thought the first s1 was really good and the 2nd took huge sh** on itself other than those I listed I have been really exposed to anime made outside of Japan but I hear tthe manga equivalent in korea are pretty good |
Mar 9, 2018 8:31 PM
#12
I really enjoyed Castlenavia, and hope to see more similar to it. |
Mar 9, 2018 8:32 PM
#13
The only 'animes' that were made outside of Japan that I'm aware of is Avatar and King's avatar |
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Mar 9, 2018 9:17 PM
#14
Only seen the Avatar franchise and Winx Club so I don't really have an opinion abbout it. The ones I have seen were good though. |
Mar 9, 2018 9:27 PM
#15
Technically they're not anime, but they're pretty good. I've only watched Ling Qi and King's Avatar though(I think). Both were amazing. |
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Mar 9, 2018 9:40 PM
#16
Does this mean shows with an anime-influenced art style? Avatar, Wakfu, Neo Yokio? It depends. My Life Me is utter trash. Meanwhile, Avatar is totally amazing. |
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Mar 10, 2018 1:24 AM
#17
I have no special opinion on anime made outside of Japan. I watch and try to enjoy them on the same basis. I consider them anime or not based on art style, so RWBY counts, Winx Club doesn't, and Avatar is probably on the borderline. But this distinction is not really important. I haven't seen many shows that would fall into this sort of grey area though. Basically only RWBY and Elsword and that's it. |
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Mar 10, 2018 3:36 AM
#18
Mar 10, 2018 7:27 AM
#19
ampd said: I've seen there she is which is a short series from south korea I believe and I thought it was pretty good I love "There She Is!!!", and you are correct, it's from South Korea. At the moment it's the only non-Japanese anime on my list. Someone brought up western animation that more closely resembles anime than other western animation, such as RWBY. While it's almost certainly true that it was influenced by anime, that doesn't make it anime. If it did, then we'd also have to discuss whether Japanese/Asian works that have too much western influence don't really qualify as anime (yes, it happens a lot). |
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Mar 10, 2018 7:35 AM
#20
I've seen "American anime" such as Castlevania. I don't consider them anime though. I haven't seen any other Asian "anime," but I have a few in my PTW. |
Mar 10, 2018 8:18 AM
#21
animaniacs was made outside of japan despite the name might fool you into thinking otherwise potato chips vs lays potato chips? both are bad imo i would rather spend money on a popcorn movie |
Mar 10, 2018 8:27 AM
#22
I wanted to see Evil or Live, but i only saw ep 1 and now is on my on hold list, by the moment i have no plan to watch, i'll watch it some day |
Mar 10, 2018 9:01 AM
#23
I'm quite enjoying chinese anime for some reason. You can easily tell that their writing and directing is much less refined yet, but that it makes feel kinda different, unpredictable and creative and most of the the time I quite enjoyed the chinese ONAs I've seen. And of course historically speaking there are a bunch of really beautiful chinese animated movies that make me think that without the 'cultural revolution' in China they'd probably be ahead of Japan in terms of their animation prowess. Korean stuff feels less distinct from anime and there seems to be a fair amount of more slow, dramatic, romantic kind of stories which are not necessarily my favorite type of show. But they definitely have a couple of good and interesting movies/shorts too, I especially like Sang-ho Yeon. |
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Mar 10, 2018 9:03 AM
#24
romagia said: my opinion is that they are not anime Well, looks like someone already said what i wanted to say OP. |
Mar 10, 2018 9:07 AM
#25
It's not the fact that they are Chinese that annoys me but rather their language and their animation too average. However I just watched Quanzhi Gaoshou and honestly it was not a torture. like you can see here |
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Mar 10, 2018 9:19 AM
#26
Note also that any animation to come from Japan is likely to be considered anime by definition, whereas animation from other Asian countries might have to meet some minimum standard of being "anime-like". Consider for example the movie "Rock Dog". It was made in China, but it doesn't look and feel much like an anime film, but rather more like something from Dreamworks. |
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Mar 10, 2018 9:26 AM
#27
Mar 10, 2018 9:37 AM
#28
I don't really consider them anime I didn't like the Chinese anime I tried watching. I love Avatar/Korra though, and Winx Club was good imo. |
Mar 10, 2018 9:40 AM
#29
I think of it in the same vein as I do fairies and elves, in that it doesn't exist. couple of things from China I wouldn't mind watching but can't say I've seen anything interesting that was Korean |
Mar 10, 2018 9:41 AM
#30
Why are still people who says "If it's not Japanese, it's not anime" exist? Nowadays country doesn't really matter for art. Anime is any animation made in Japan or animation has Japanese influenced art style. |
Mar 10, 2018 10:43 AM
#31
Anime made outside of Japan? Sorry buddy, but... what? >inb4 "avatar the last airbender xD xD" |
Mar 10, 2018 10:46 AM
#32
Mar 10, 2018 12:10 PM
#33
mwalimu said: ampd said: I've seen there she is which is a short series from south korea I believe and I thought it was pretty good I love "There She Is!!!", and you are correct, it's from South Korea. At the moment it's the only non-Japanese anime on my list. YESS at first I watched this I was like what the hell is this art style ,thers not much talking, is this for little kids???. But it gets good and touches on social issues and how societies structures or set of rules affects our lives and how we're viewed and critiqued |
Mar 10, 2018 12:23 PM
#34
Mar 10, 2018 1:31 PM
#35
NihilisticLoner said: They, technically, are better. RWBY has more creativity and passion in its production more than most anime I've seen I have to disgree on the creativity part. Have you seen Soul Eater and D Gray Man? Because RWBY feels like a DGM/SE hybrid. And Pyrrha is an expy of Erza from FT and Yang is an expy of Leone from AgK. |
Mar 10, 2018 1:36 PM
#36
isn't Freezing originally Korean? in that case i guess it can be done |
Mar 10, 2018 1:45 PM
#37
I don't know, I just watch them UrbanSpaceman said: Why are still people who says "If it's not Japanese, it's not anime" exist? Nowadays country doesn't really matter for art. Anime is any animation made in Japan or animation has Japanese influenced art style. Agree. Only a person without true knowledge about anime would say thinks like these: romagia said: my opinion is that they are not anime SpongySquish said: I don't think those are considered anime zombie_pegasus said: I don't really consider them to be true anime Ehta said: Technically they're not anime pgmhecateii said: I don't really think they are considered anime M0M0I said: I don't really consider them anime DepravedMagi said: They are not anime to me |
Mar 10, 2018 1:53 PM
#38
DepravedMagi said: NihilisticLoner said: They, technically, are better. RWBY has more creativity and passion in its production more than most anime I've seen I have to disgree on the creativity part. Have you seen Soul Eater and D Gray Man? Because RWBY feels like a DGM/SE hybrid. And Pyrrha is an expy of Erza from FT and Yang is an expy of Leone from AgK. Each season, there are more than 50 anime that air. 50 x 4 (seasons) = more than 200 anime. How many of them have any actual creativity behind them? How many "anime" made in America, come out every year? |
Mar 10, 2018 1:56 PM
#39
NihilisticLoner said: DepravedMagi said: NihilisticLoner said: They, technically, are better. RWBY has more creativity and passion in its production more than most anime I've seen I have to disgree on the creativity part. Have you seen Soul Eater and D Gray Man? Because RWBY feels like a DGM/SE hybrid. And Pyrrha is an expy of Erza from FT and Yang is an expy of Leone from AgK. Each season, there are more than 50 anime that air. 50 x 4 (seasons) = more than 200 anime. How many of them have any actual creativity behind them? How many "anime" made in America, come out every year? No, I meant to say that RWBY is not as creative as you think it is. However, it is more creative than a good amount of anime. |
Mar 10, 2018 1:58 PM
#40
Jesus people just don't compare cartoons with anime, we've been here so many times and the right answer was given all the time. |
Mar 10, 2018 2:04 PM
#41
Purezensu said: Ehh, not so much that as simply defining "anime" to refer to Japanese animation specifically. I disagree with the definition, but if that's your definition of choice, then that leads to an obvious conclusion.Agree. Only a person without true knowledge about anime would say thinks like these: romagia said: my opinion is that they are not anime [other quotes saying the same meaning] What's less obvious is, if that's your definition, then what do multi-nationality projects count as. NihilisticLoner said: All of them?Each season, there are more than 50 anime that air. 50 x 4 (seasons) = more than 200 anime. How many of them have any actual creativity behind them? At least, I'd disagree that novelty = creative merit. But especially: NihilisticLoner said: How would the same thing count as "more creative" merely because it's made by an American studio rather than a Japanese studio?How many "anime" made in America, come out every year? |
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Mar 10, 2018 2:08 PM
#42
@velvetPhos @DepravedMagi How many anime are there where the actual movement looks ANYTHING like these?: And those are nothing compared to what volume 4 does. Nearly all the, "creative" animation in anime, are only in a few specific scenes. The Japanese animation industry is focused SOLELY on quantity. Not quality. Animation studios outside Japan actually take their time. In a Japanese studio, it's, "come on come, chop chop chop, we have to put something something ANYTHING out now!" Resulting in shit pay and high work hours. I've watched over 300 tv anime, and I haven't seen a single one that has the depth of Avatar the Last Airbender. Aside from Mob Psycho 100 and Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid, I haven't seen a tv anime that has as much movement and interesting movement at that, as RWBY. Cupid's Chocolate is a generic harem series that avoids everything I hate about harems. Teen Titans had a cast of characters that have diverse and unique personalities WITHOUT coming off as obnoxious and quirky, something incredibly rare. @GlennMagusHarvey I feel like people are asking me this question just for the sake of arguing, because it's a very ridiculous question. Which company has a higher chance of putting out a creative product? One that pumps out 300 each year, or one that pumps out a few each year? |
Mar 10, 2018 2:25 PM
#43
NihilisticLoner said: Well, I'll be as fair as I can. If by "creative" you mean "unique compared to its peers", then yeah, I see where you're trying to go with this, except:@GlennMagusHarvey I feel like people are asking me this question just for the sake of arguing, because it's a very ridiculous question. Which company has a higher chance of putting out a creative product? One that pumps out 300 each year, or one that pumps out a few each year? 2. The company that pumps out 300 products a year probably has more capital to invest in a few niche products that are more distinctive. So just because it makes more doesn't mean that it's going to be cookie-cutter. Meanwhile, the company that makes a few products might need to play it safe. This is actually meaningful to the anime industry, as a company that has more economic resources and more of a customer-base with reliably-demanded products, such as a company that already has successful but "typical" series, is more able to make small investments in unusual/niche products, such as more "experimental" series. 1. The actual real-life situation is that there isn't just one Japanese company making tons of anime and one American company making a few anime (or anime-like series, if you prefer that description). The situation is that there are a ton of Japanese companies making tons of anime series. So, it'd be like saying that there are 50 companies making 300 products each, vs. one company making a few products each. |
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Mar 10, 2018 2:31 PM
#44
pgmhecateii said: Lmao, so does art matter or not? >"doesn't really matter for art" >"Japanese influenced art style" When I said that country doesn't really matter for art, by "art" I meant ART, like cinema, music, visual arts in galleries etc. Of course anime was originally born in Japan but now anyone from any country can create their own anime. |
Mar 10, 2018 2:39 PM
#45
GlennMagusHarvey said: NihilisticLoner said: Well, I'll be as fair as I can. If by "creative" you mean "unique compared to its peers", then yeah, I see where you're trying to go with this, except:@GlennMagusHarvey I feel like people are asking me this question just for the sake of arguing, because it's a very ridiculous question. Which company has a higher chance of putting out a creative product? One that pumps out 300 each year, or one that pumps out a few each year? 2. The company that pumps out 300 products a year probably has more capital to invest in a few niche products that are more distinctive. So just because it makes more doesn't mean that it's going to be cookie-cutter. Meanwhile, the company that makes a few products might need to play it safe. This is actually meaningful to the anime industry, as a company that has more economic resources and more of a customer-base with reliably-demanded products, such as a company that already has successful but "typical" series, is more able to make small investments in unusual/niche products, such as more "experimental" series. 1. The actual real-life situation is that there isn't just one Japanese company making tons of anime and one American company making a few anime (or anime-like series, if you prefer that description). The situation is that there are a ton of Japanese companies making tons of anime series. So, it'd be like saying that there are 50 companies making 300 products each, vs. one company making a few products each. 1) How many "experimental" anime came out in 2017? 2016? Where are these, "small investments" you speak of? The era of anime with high production values and ideas is dead. When's the next Death Note? Monster? Cowboy Bepop? 2) Because animation studios outside of Japan have less series to produce, they HAVE to be more focused on making those series be better. It's common sense. |
Mar 10, 2018 2:39 PM
#46
I don't know if this counts, since I don't know where exactly it was produced, but Vampire Hunter D (2000) was originally released in English, right? And I definitely consider it as a great anime. |
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Mar 10, 2018 2:43 PM
#47
I don't know OP, I've always hated this anime: |
Mar 10, 2018 2:51 PM
#48
pgmhecateii said: "normal animation" sounds like you're just using that as a catch-all term for anything that's not anime, lol.UrbanSpaceman said: pgmhecateii said: Lmao, so does art matter or not? >"doesn't really matter for art" >"Japanese influenced art style" When I said that country doesn't really matter for art, by "art" I meant ART, like cinema, music, visual arts in galleries etc. Of course anime was originally born in Japan but now anyone from any country can create their own anime. I still disagree with the art part, because Avatar looks nothing like anime. Maybe I'm just too picky. Ofc, there are some anime series that also don't look like anime, though. Wouldn't that just be normal animation, then? "Anime" is just what we use to differentiate between animation in general and animation from Japan... Avatar has a style that's somewhat anime-ish but not quite it. Some people use the term "animesque", but I also see that term used for a bunch of different styles whose only thing in common is that they were inspired by the anime style (e.g. everything from PPG to Teen Titans to Avatar). But Avatar certainly looks less clearly anime-ish than, say, RWBY. |
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Mar 10, 2018 2:52 PM
#49
NihilisticLoner said: GlennMagusHarvey said: NihilisticLoner said: @GlennMagusHarvey I feel like people are asking me this question just for the sake of arguing, because it's a very ridiculous question. Which company has a higher chance of putting out a creative product? One that pumps out 300 each year, or one that pumps out a few each year? 2. The company that pumps out 300 products a year probably has more capital to invest in a few niche products that are more distinctive. So just because it makes more doesn't mean that it's going to be cookie-cutter. Meanwhile, the company that makes a few products might need to play it safe. This is actually meaningful to the anime industry, as a company that has more economic resources and more of a customer-base with reliably-demanded products, such as a company that already has successful but "typical" series, is more able to make small investments in unusual/niche products, such as more "experimental" series. 1. The actual real-life situation is that there isn't just one Japanese company making tons of anime and one American company making a few anime (or anime-like series, if you prefer that description). The situation is that there are a ton of Japanese companies making tons of anime series. So, it'd be like saying that there are 50 companies making 300 products each, vs. one company making a few products each. 1) How many "experimental" anime came out in 2017? 2016? Where are these, "small investments" you speak of? The era of anime with high production values and ideas is dead. When's the next Death Note? Monster? Cowboy Bepop? 2) Because animation studios outside of Japan have less series to produce, they HAVE to be more focused on making those series be better. It's common sense. I mean, I haven't seen hardly any non-Japanese "anime" so I can't talk about that, but what I will when it comes to innovation is: As far as I know, Yuri!! on Ice (aired 2016) is the first to have a gay couple get engaged on a TV anime. After the Rain (airing currently) is non-sexual show about a 17-year-old falling in love with a 45-year-old. I rarely see that in any sort of fiction, including anime. Devilman Crybaby (aired 2018) is a hyper-sexual, hyper-violent, yet well-told adaptation of Go Nagai's work by direct Misaki Yuuasa, the type that would come out in short OVAs in the 80s, but in its full glory. Thanks to CGI, we can finally capture Tsutomu Nihei's detailed world of Blame! in their recent movies (first aired 2017, next airing... soon). Heck, I don't think anyone would argue that Jojo isn't experimental, and, once again, thanks to recent innovations, we can finally adapt it properly. For argument's sake, let's say that 1% of all anime is really, really good. If 10 shows aired each season, then it would take 10 seasons to get something really good. If 100 shows aired each season, then we'll get one every season. More shows does not automatically mean less quality. It just means more shows of all quality. So yeah, more junk, but more fantastic shows. And if you're only looking at the junk, I can see how you'd miss the good shows, but that doesn't mean they're not there. |
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Mar 10, 2018 2:59 PM
#50
NihilisticLoner said: 1a) I don't follow seasonals but if you're looking for distinctive-looking things in recent memory there's stuff like Ping Pong and the Japan Animator Expo series.GlennMagusHarvey said: NihilisticLoner said: @GlennMagusHarvey I feel like people are asking me this question just for the sake of arguing, because it's a very ridiculous question. Which company has a higher chance of putting out a creative product? One that pumps out 300 each year, or one that pumps out a few each year? 2. The company that pumps out 300 products a year probably has more capital to invest in a few niche products that are more distinctive. So just because it makes more doesn't mean that it's going to be cookie-cutter. Meanwhile, the company that makes a few products might need to play it safe. This is actually meaningful to the anime industry, as a company that has more economic resources and more of a customer-base with reliably-demanded products, such as a company that already has successful but "typical" series, is more able to make small investments in unusual/niche products, such as more "experimental" series. 1. The actual real-life situation is that there isn't just one Japanese company making tons of anime and one American company making a few anime (or anime-like series, if you prefer that description). The situation is that there are a ton of Japanese companies making tons of anime series. So, it'd be like saying that there are 50 companies making 300 products each, vs. one company making a few products each. 1) How many "experimental" anime came out in 2017? 2016? Where are these, "small investments" you speak of? The era of anime with high production values and ideas is dead. When's the next Death Note? Monster? Cowboy Bepop? 2) Because animation studios outside of Japan have less series to produce, they HAVE to be more focused on making those series be better. It's common sense. 1b) You wouldn't know what are the greats of recent years until many years after the present, after the fandom dust settles on them. 1c) I thought people scoff at the idea of Death Note being a great anime? 2a) Only if they have the same manpower, the same levels of experience/skill, and the same financial resources. 2b) That's only if the Okay, has this hypothetical reasoning of yours actually borne out in results? What western anime-inspired shows are "better" and what anime shows are "better"? 2c) And did you just suddenly switch from "creative" to "better"? Because they're not the same. |
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