Don't you think that this movie is underrated

TheAskald said:
This movie is rated 9.05 while it's arguably very flawed.

Dlwuik said:
>koe no katachi
>underrated
nice meme
anyway, if anything, it's overrated. generic bullying story.

Tenderizer17 said:
And Hunter x Hunter is a generic shounen

Dlwuik said:

well you gave fmab a 6, gurren lagann a 6, fate/zero and 2nd season a 4 & 1, so from that i can conclude you have [SHIT TASTE]

Swagernator said:
By the holy tits and ass, how the hell can be 9.05 a underrated ?

Tenderizer17 said:
Oh also, I'm just downvoting the second season because I downvote all sequels that are in the top 50-60 (Cause fuck the rules)

Tenderizer17 said:
I think 9.22 would be fair

Dlwuik said:

then it'd be #2 on mal, we don't need more garbage added to the top 3, kimi no na wa is already #2 stop trying to make it worse.

Dlwuik said:
I never knew koe no katachi fanboys actually exist lol.

Dlwuik said:
>koe no katachi
>underrated
nice meme
anyway, if anything, it's overrated. generic bullying story.

Kittens-kun said:
Yet again, you're wrong.

Dlwuik said:

no i'm right, i always am.

Tenderizer17 said:
Everything's very flawed. There is not a single flawless anime out there.

Although I wouldn't call the drama forced, it actually comes across as quite natural (except the post-hospital bridge scene, that was forced, and the ending was a touch melodramatic).

Koe no Katachi is definitely flawed, just not in that way. Better examples would be:
- Sahara is a completely one-dimensional character
- Kawai doesn't get any real development
- When Ishida is trying to offer Nishimiya his phone number, they seem to have really twisted the dialogue to give it the double meaning
- Ending was a touch melodramatic
- Post-hospital bridge scene was forced
- Ishida progressively re-uniting his friends from elementary school seems a bit silly

Despite all this, it's the greatest anime I've ever scene because there's so much to love.

EDIT: Don't fault me for missing flaws, I only listed what came to mind first, not every single flaw the movie has.

TheAskald said:


The "everything's flawed" argument makes no sense. So an almost-perfect anime is the same thing as an extremely flawed anime?
Nothing is perfect but some animes are arguably extremly consistent in every field. And BOY, Koe no Katachi is really not in that side of the spectrum.

It's totally ok for anyone to love an anime that have a lot of flaws (just look at my favorites, Clannad and Geass have so much bullshit in them, but I still love them, Very high personal enjoyment > cold objective perfection), but Koe No Katachi is too flawed for me and breaks the immersion for me. In an Ano Hana way.

Kittens-kun said:


And what are these flaws exactly?

TheAskald said:
For me, there is a lot of drama for something that isn't a big deal for characters, except the two main. Every main characters except Nishimiya and Shouya don't have any reason to be that emotionnaly involved in this, everybody make a fuss about this but there isn't that much things going on.

For example, Ano Hana also has this "making a timeskip presenting the meeting of 6-7 childhood friends after some shit happened before the timeskip" thing, but something important actually happened (death of Menma). While I think Ano Hana is also far too melodramatic and that the characters are psychologically irrealists, at least the drama was coming from something actually important.

Here, in Koe no katachi...? What happened changed Shouya's life and has been important for Nishimiya, but all the others characters shouldn't give any fuck.
Or not a lot.

Stripes said:
So because it's not above Your Name or the top film on the website list it's underrated?

Tenderizer17 said:
I disagree. A lot of the other characters mostly have a stake in the outcome. Yuzuru because she cares about Nishimiya's happiness more than anything, and Ueno because she "cares strongly" Ishida. Nagatsuka doesn't want to lose the first friend he made in a while. Sahara wants to make up for abandoning Nishimiya. Kawaii and Mashiba can go to hell.

I wouldn't say those motivations are compelling enough to unbreak your immersion, but they are at least mostly present (I think there's a reason Kawaii and Mashiba are among the least popular of the characters).

If I want to win this argument, I should probably show you how much there is to love about this movie that you may have missed. But I lack the skills necessary to convey it in a compelling way and I don't think you'd really be interested anyway.

TheAskald said:
Being mostly present isn't enough, they have to be convincing. That's like if in an action movie you said "the action is not that great but at least there is some", well yeah it's not that great indeed.

TheAskald said:
What doesn't feel right is that most of the characters weren't even close to each other before the timeskip. People evolve a lot between being child and teenager. Maybe it's only me, but I wouldn't really care about something that happened when I was "still a child" about people who weren't my friends and that I didn't even liked.

TheAskald said:
I felt the suicide attempt was just a drama device given that Nishimiya just woke up being alright and never spoke about it seriously with Shouya. In real life, it's not that easy and casual. (That said, the actualy scene of the suicide attempt was gorgeous visually)

TheAskald said:
I'm not here to win or lose an argument, I'm curious to see what I missed in this movie, because I know it's not at 9.05 for nothing, could you develop? I plan to rewatch it because it's the first time I have a gap so big between my enjoyment and the MAL rate.

Tenderizer17 said:
By mostly present, I meant present for most characters, rather than each character having partially tangible motivations. I must concede though, they're pretty subtle about it and if the movie is a touch too subtle, that's a fair complaint (but at least it's better than shows that beat you over the head with everything like Shinsekai Yori).I actually think, if they were really close as children, it would've lessened the film. Re-uniting your primary school friends is a stupid AF motivation, developing a social circle while you've been isolated by both others and yourself (because of guilt) is a compelling narrative. I think I just explained away one of my complaints about the movie, but I have plenty so that's no problemI kind of agree, I think it was probably a drama device. However, I think it was handled very well despite that. Firstly, she attempted suicide in the past (made clear because of the lengths Yuzuru went to in order to prevent it, that said she might have just spoken about a desire to commit suicide in the past and it'd have the same effect), which shows that this wasn't a spur of the moment thing. Secondly, a large part of Nishimiya's character is the way she feigns happiness. During the scene where Ishida pushes all his friends away with pinpoint insults, she forces herself to smile because she wants to appear happy and to cause as little a burden on others as possible.

Also, thank you for appreciating how well directed the scene was. I especially love how the curtain obscured the jump, that was the most respectful way to handle this (unlike 13 reasons why, which showed the act in gruesome detail to maximize the shock factor).
Same here, trying to convince someone an anime they dislike is good is a tough battle (that's why I enjoyed debating with someone on the cause for Shinsekai Yori being terrible, so much).

I personally, read the manga, watched the movie 11 times and watched every analytical youtube video on it in existence. I will look through what's available and recommend one of these videos that you should watch before re-watching it.

I should mention, I think it's completely natural to have your scores deviate from the average quite often. Anime in the top 50 you'd end up watching despite disliking the genre they're from and because of that you'll like them less than people who became interested naturally. Also the top 50 spawns a lot of bitterness (at least for me personally) and so even if I like a show, I'd sometimes demote it a point or two just because I feel it doesn't need me to moisten it.

Oh and one last thing. I re-watched Kimi no na Wa 6 times trying my best to find a love for it. What I found was an interpretation of the directing that made me hate the film (Which I won't get into because I know for sure it'll spawn debate). If I had analytical youtube videos available to me (Which there are none of that are truly about Kimi no na Wa), I might have had a better experience, so that's why I'm gonna recommend a youtube video once I go through everything and find the best one.

EDIT: The first video I tried seems good enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeub2gZnJC8
Also, this other video, I'm not recommending to improve your enjoyment of the film, just because it's a good watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dqpGpYXTC4

TheAskald said:
I didn't get what you meant with Shinsekai Yori, are you saying the characters are lacking development and are empty?
That's another debate, but I think it really fits the show because it wasn't about characters, it was about themes and ideas, the characters doesn't matter and musn't overshadow what really matters, even if I really like Saki, despite being quiet normal.
(Do you have the link to the thread where you argued about Shinsekai Yori? I'm curious about it, it's one of these shows I consider arguably at least very well directed)

TheAskald said:
The fact that you saw 11 times the movie and read the manga means you know way more about the movie than me, we're not at the same level of knowledge so I'm not sure it's worth going further than that.

TheAskald said:
The enjoyment of a movie is something you feel, not that you choose, and for me the drama felt forced, the characters bonds felt artificals, a drama movie can only fail when you can't get into it, I have to rewatch it or watch analysis to change my opinion.

TheAskald said:
Also, I have to say that I don't manage to enjoy anime movies in general, they tend to have beautiful visuals and OST, but average characters and plot, leading to, most of the time, melodrama I feel forced.
That's why my favorite anime movie is Garden Of Words, I don't see it as a romance (the ending is terrible) but as an audiovisual experience.
So it applies to koe no katachi and I'm even more biaised.

Reina_Orikasa said:
Besides the fact that it got overshadowed by Kimi no Na wa I think it's perfectly rated.

Tenderizer17 said:


I think that concludes my essay nobody asked for.

TheFahrenheit said:
Did you just call quite possibly the most unique shonen generic? This is one of the most retarded things i have heard in my life, you should feel ashamed of yourself.

TheFahrenheit said:
It could be viewed as underrated only by comparing it to kimi no wa, it easily one of the most popular anime movies out there

TheFahrenheit said:
underrated is the last thing someone could call it.

juicy-peach said:
9.05 with over 400k members ....underrated?

juicy-peach said:
If that's underrated...what's left for all the other great anime that are even struggling to get or keep a score above 8.00 or reaching over 100k members...

juicy-peach said:
The fact that KNNW has a higher score doesn't imply KNK is underrated whatsoever

icontinuetofight said:
aahahha, what a pathetic human being. i'm not even a fan of kmnw but this is probably the most cringyest thing i've ever read on mal.

icontinuetofight said:
also how is this shit movie underrated on #12? should be like #800

Eanraig said:
The cut content from the manga was a welcomed change, the secondary characters are overly cartoony and get the spotlight way too many times. Most of the cut content was honestly just filler.

M4DMAX said:
Its already under the three highest ratet anime movies, so there are only two anime movies with a higher rating. I also watched Kimi no Na wa and i can see why it got a higher score, even though i enjoyed Koe no Katachi more. I generally think more people are drawn towards a more lighthearted story with a dramatic twist like Kimi no Na wa, because its just easier to get into. Its similar to the situation with newspapers; the easy story gets more attention than the true story and im fine with that.

halcyon- said:
The truly underrated movies are Perfect Blue, Only Yesterday, and other few.