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| I'm not sure how I feel about the ending, apparently there's going to be a "Madoka 4", so idk, I'll get my final conclusions when that one comes out. |
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| Mixed feelings. I can see both sides to peoples love/hate for it. I can't decide if what Homura did was for the good of everyone in actually stopping Kyuubey or if it was just selfish. I read that the original creator intended for it to end on the happy note (Ultimate Madoka taking Homura to 'heaven') rather than the twist and that Shaft insisted on it to keep the series going longer. I feel like the story is incomplete so therefor can't judge this properly and that the fourth movie (if it ever happens) should cement my feelings about Rebellion. For now I'm on the fence about the ending and Homura. Mami fav girl. Edit. A couple of things of note. I remember towards the beginning of the movie Homura saying she respected and wanted to honour Madoka's wish. Remember she also wanted to die as a witch. If she went to 'heaven' she would have been with Madoka anyway instead of having to create a new world. Only benefit I see is stopping any future trouble from Kyuubey. One would say Madoka's wish would take care of that anyway. The flower field conversation where Madoka says she wouldn't want to do anything where she'd be apart from Homura, well in ep 12 after transforming into Ultimate, Madoka says "I'll always be with you", even just in spirit. The more I think about it the more Homura seems to have undermined Madoka's wish and everyone elses. |
Bles-Nov 27, 2017 7:24 AM
| That was interesting. It was good. |
| So, basically, they took a mildly intereresting finale, retconned a lot of stuff and undid everything in a way that barely makes sense, only to end in a cliffhanger that doesn't really explain anything about this new world Homura created. What exactly was the point of this movie? Did it mean to be controversial just for the sake of being controversial like EVA 3.0? I'm not the biggest fan of the original series, but one of the things I liked about it was the fact that it actually had a pretty good closure in the end. The movie doesn't even explain how the hell God-mode Madoka was unaware of all this shit, even though in the last episode of the series she explicitly stated that she's omnipresent and omniscient, to the point that she can even see timelines that are yet to be from her plane of existence. |
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TurboAutist said: So, basically, they took a mildly intereresting finale, retconned a lot of stuff and undid everything in a way that barely makes sense, only to end in a cliffhanger that doesn't really explain anything about this new world Homura created. What exactly was the point of this movie? Did it mean to be controversial just for the sake of being controversial like EVA 3.0? I'm not the biggest fan of the original series, but one of the things I liked about it was the fact that it actually had a pretty good closure in the end. The movie doesn't even explain how the hell God-mode Madoka was unaware of all this shit, even though in the last episode of the series she explicitly stated that she's omnipresent and omniscient, to the point that she can even see timelines that are yet to be from her plane of existence. Milking the "franchise" with shitty fanservice and merch cashgrab. SHART pressured Urobuchi to do it. I'm astounded at how many people don't get this and praise the whole bullshitness in this movie. |
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AmMar-Sama said: I want to strangle the idiot who spread this rubbish all over the internet. Stop throwing misinformation around; nobody was forced to do anything. Not that the quality of a work would change just because of mere intentions, but anyway, make sure you get your facts right. Settle down. It's been too long now that I can't remember where I read that but it was a site that did a long indepth analyses of the ending, not on Reddit or somewhere crap. If it's widely spread then where did you read otherwise? This is a forum for discussion btw not the bible. |
AmMar-Sama said: SaturnSkye said: I read that the original creator intended for it to end on the happy note (Ultimate Madoka taking Homura to 'heaven') rather than the twist and that Shaft insisted on it to keep the series going longer. Aquamirror said: SHART pressured Urobuchi to do it. I want to strangle the idiot who spread this rubbish all over the internet. Stop throwing misinformation around; nobody was forced to do anything. Not that the quality of a work would change just because of mere intentions, but anyway, make sure you get your facts right. It's a fact Urobuchi had a very strict view on Sayaka's death, having a very big importance on the plot and her character, even the post-Madoka world needed her to die. OOOOOOOOOOOPPSSSSSSSSSS :rubbing hands sound: It is known the director and some of the staff wanted to keep them alive and mess into his plot to make it more light. SHART loves to milk their shit. ..or he was either a schizophrenic or a greedy sellout himself. Whatever. |
AquamirrorJan 23, 2018 8:47 AM
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| Well, she isn't dead at all.... Everyone is back alive again. That contradiction leads me to some conclusions that either the author really doesn't know what the fuck is he doing or was just bribed by greed. I respect his position to hold the series the way they are, but everything after that was completely unnecessary. I think it was pretty obvious I wasn't speaking in some objective term, but if you really want a concrete evidence you will probably not find it. That's all I've gathered from my interpretations reading some interviews and general treatment of the staff, you can look at them in different way if you feel so. Hope and despair are hardly important themes anymore, or their meaning is too far fetched and transformed into a new context that's far too different from their original purpose, I don't think there's any meaningful "balance" that you speak of, anymore. |
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| Rewatched it. Lowering my score from a 7 to a 4. |
Pixel_VapourJan 28, 2018 3:47 AM
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| I dunno what I just watched but it was a waste of my time and shouldn't exist honestly. Also stop comparing this to End of Evangelion, mentioning this in the same sentence as that should be a crime. |
| I didn't understand a shit but i will give it a 8/10 cuz mindfuck. |
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| Just as dark and depressing as the original series, a good ending (sort of) to the story. Definitely feeling the same emptiness as the original show after finally finishing this movie :( |
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That's all? When will be 4th film?  |
| Seriously the ending doesnt make sense to me , homura basically get what she wanted , she can be with madoka but she chose to rip her off from the god mode and recreate the universe in her way , and she is now an enemy So whats the real purpose ? She isnt even on a good term with madoka there I read earlier post saying they’re planning sequel but if its indeed its more or less like this movie , homura vs the other mahou shoujo The action are good , soundtrack are good as well , love it , its just argh.... that ending, hate to see homura become evil now |
Exeterna said: Seriously the ending doesnt make sense to me , homura basically get what she wanted , she can be with madoka but she chose to rip her off from the god mode and recreate the universe in her way , and she is now an enemy So whats the real purpose ? She isnt even on a good term with madoka there I read earlier post saying they’re planning sequel but if its indeed its more or less like this movie , homura vs the other mahou shoujo The action are good , soundtrack are good as well , love it , its just argh.... that ending, hate to see homura become evil now In the flower scene madoka says that she wouldn´t want to go somewhere where she couldn´t see anyone again, homura realised that she failed again at the end of the series, (rewatch that scene), and if you want you can read the lyrics of the1st ED of the series "Mata ashita" to have a different prespective. In the end Homura just wanted madoka to live a normal life, instead of being a concept, and be with her parents and friends, and like she saiid it doesn´t matter if she has to be the enemy, she will be happy anyway. You have to think on other point, if she let madoka take her, kyuubey is free to do what he wants to try to control madoka, so in the new world (or the maze homura created) kyuubey is in homura control, although we need the new movie to confirm this. |
CT_BINOApr 14, 2018 11:25 AM
cheuklun88 said: Pixel_Vapour said: Rewatched it. Lowering my score from a 7 to a 4. Why? All 5 main magical girls survives, and Kyubey was punished by Demon Homura. Madoka is your favorite character isn't it? She back with her family. I want to hear it. Why there are fans hate the ending of this movie? I love it because I understand the motives of Homura and Kyubey. I just really dislike the ending because it ruins what I thought to be a perfect ending to the main series. I will admit that it does set up a potentially great sequel if they play it right. |
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| The first half of the movie definitely toyed with my irrational fear of the unknown and made me unnerved by the eerieness of the supposedly ideal situation where all the girls survived and now fight together as friends. The weird cake song was strange and a little disturbing for me for some reason maybe because I expected Charlotte to bite off Mami's cheese head again when they pointed to her. The world didn't feel right as well and the conclusion that this perfect world in theory was actually one of Akemi's creation thanks to Kyuubey capturing her explains it. That gunfight between Akemi and Mami was absolutely gorgeous, an actual animated bona fide beautiful bullet hell ♥ I got the feeling that what Akemi did was kind of the right thing because they're in a world where Mami and Sakura were never killed by witches and Sayaka along with other former witches like Bebe were walking on the earth once again plus Kyubey being punished big time being the cherry on top but what she actually did was disrupt how things should be. Her motives were out of complete selfishness for Madoka's love and instead of accompanying her to Magical Girl Heaven with the others after they went through the trouble of saving her, she ripped the goddess's mortal half and pulled her back into the world against her wishes before being consumed by the emotion of love and mania, turning into the folly of humanity and the idea of evil itself. She had undone her best friend's sacrifice to become the beacon of hope just to be able touch her again, preventing her to come back to do her duty and drawing the ire of those aware of the situation. It looked like the ideal end but I can't tell if it's a good thing or not anymore... |
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| Rewatched. That ending was much darker than I remembered. Still loved it. I probably said it somewhere after watching for the first time, but I really hope that if we get some continuation, Homura won't just be the bad guy that has to lose. She deserves better, and "rest now, you have worked hard" that God-Madoka offered her is not the ending she should get. After everything she's been through, such end would feel like giving up imo and I don't believe it could be considered 'happy end' for her. Homura is a tragic hero and tbh I don't even know how she can get a good ending now, other than full reset to the real world but without Magical Girls and Incubators. |
JustAnotherShiroJan 31, 2019 1:23 PM
| Homura's and Madoka's relationship is really complicated, isn't it?.. In the end, do they understand each other much?.. I think that's one of the biggest problems, isn't it?.. Madoka in anime end decides to save world, but hurts Homura, as this is not something Homura wants in the end.. And who knows really - maybe Madoka as god is truly suffering, taking everyone's grief, we don't really know.. Madoka is the type of person to really support Homura in the end.. She says it's going to be alright with her wish in anime, she says so, but also in Rebellion, when she lost her memories, she says that probably she wouldn't be able to hurt Homura, leaving her and everyone, and it would be pain for her to leave everyone.. So maybe Madoka as god is still suffering, we don't really know.. One more point: Madoka says not to keep everything in herself for Homura, not distance herself, but isn't Madoka doing exactly that, being a god?.. Saving everyone, but feeling pain in the end, but not showing it for everyone's sake?.. On the other hand, there is Homura.. Also doing what she believes is best, but what causes Madoka suffering.. If/when Madoka will completely remember herself, it already seems that she truly will be suffering from this.. What she says in her short returning to her god form after Homura hugging her.. That she values stability more than selfish wishes, as Homura asked her.. In her scream before being taken away by Homura, she wasn't feeling too greatest about this act as well, isn't she?.. Though, of course, as Madoka have a vision of great for everyone by her becoming a Godoka, Homura has a vision of great for everyone as well by becoming a Homucifer.. In the end.. I wonder.. If Madoka in her human form spends more time with Homura in her world, will she understand better, what Homura feels, even when she awakens, what she values, being able to live like that and so?.. I think, probably not.. She was in her world kinda before, in Rebellion, but still decided in the end, that saving her is something she wants.. Still, god Madoka, even though she's god - it seems she wouldn't really have a choice and be able to do both things at the same time, it seems?.. Ironically god isn't all mighty, but actually is only able to save magical girls, and also possibly suffer in process.. Homura's world isn't better, though.. It seems like after talk with Madoka she kinda dinstansed herself from everyone and is afraid of what will happen.. Everyone is seen enjoying their lives, but there is no Homura there.. Maybe she wants to think about something, or blames herself, who knows.. Her gasp in the end, but then realizing it's Kyubey, I think, means that she is afraid and unsure, of what happens next.. Even though she's devil, it seems she's afraid of something.. Probably of what happens next, or what are possible interpretations?.. If anyone feels they can support my interpretations, or have different views, please comment, I'd like to try to understand possibilities more.. Though.. I think Madoka and Homura really should talk with each other, instead of fighting.. Though, it seems like their talk after Madoka leaving wasn't enough.. They need to live together as they are for some time.. Though.. Right now it looks like only 2 worlds are accessible.. In one Madoka possibly suffers collecting grief, and in another, Homura suffers of Madoka not being herself, also distancing herself from others, it seems.. Both realities aren't greatest, it seems.. But looks like for them only, if anything.. Others seem to be happy in both worlds.. I wonder, if they can work it out somehow, or we'll have to have at least one casualty.. I really would hope everyone could be happy, except for Kyubey race, fuck them, but we already have bittersweet ends, with both best girls suffering, but world being happy.. |
| after watching the anime (and being quite a bit disappointed at some stuff), i have to say this movie is so much closer to what i was expecting from the anime ofc some stuff was still strange, but over all this deserves a 10 from me, just from how much better it was compared to the anime now just waiting for Magia Record anime and game |
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| If you want to cry buckets, watch Madoka Magica: The Series. If you want to trip animated balls, watch Madoka Magica: Rebellion. |
| Hey, I think that Homura gave Kyuubey emotions in the end lol. Sadly, I was spoiled years ago about the twist :( but Madoka Magica is one of my favourite anime and this sequel was amazing. So 10/10 for the movie. |
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| That Homura vs Mami fight was amazing... clearly one of the best fights that I saw |
| I think Akemi wanted to be evil because she wanted Madoka to have some sort of purpose and keep her and the rest of the gang in that world. I doubt it was ill intentional or to suffer Madoka in any way. She followed the premise that Magical girls are suppose to fight and only live for that purpose. Since witches were no more, she felt the need to step up for them. Or maybe the bitch is a real witch now, and she is beyond help. But great visuals on the movie, damn! 9/10 will miss the movie and the series. |
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| This movie is great and I like it as much as the original series, fight me Rebellion haters Animation (especially that transformation scene) alone already ranks it up to an 8 for me, but I love the story too so I don't understand why the low scores from some people haha |
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Fario-P said: This movie is great and I like it as much as the original series, fight me Rebellion haters Animation (especially that transformation scene) alone already ranks it up to an 8 for me, but I love the story too so I don't understand why the low scores from some people haha You shouldn't laugh on people giving low scores, I as well is confused between giving this a 9 or 5 or even 1. It was so confusing, it doesn't have any point ending because the world itself is looping where Kyubey itself are insisting to observe and proof the existence of Witch to gain that Energy which is Madoka Herself. I don't know how other people perceive the anime but to me it's simple as it is also a complicated. Homura want a world where Madoka live as an actual human being or back to normal life and can be observed by everyone else (as long it's not Kyubey)but not as a Goddess. Then people said that even if she accepted Madoka help after waking up from being a Witch she the cycle would return to the original where Kyubey want to take Advantage of this "Law of Cycle" which is Madoka Herself. So then she became the "God" by consuming Madoka and perceive the perfect world where she can observe everything inside it including a place where Madoka could also live Normally but somehow Kyubey were still unaffected by it hence the scene where Kyubey showed up and murdered shown in last minutes. Even if Kyubey themselves that it was to dangerous to manipulate or control human Emotions, I don't have any idea what she meant by the Curse that spread around our world. It was never clear how it spread was it because human greed? How does familiar on the TV episode even created? Wasn't it better if Kyubey erased from history and make curse never existed in the first place or make Magical Girls never meant to exist? Why she even Kill Kyubey if she wanted one to handle all the curse? Maybe she just doesn't want Kyubey to Observe Madoka in her world by keeping that thing away as far as possible while doing it's job? There was no exit in this one. The only way is to finish this cycle is to force that Kyubey Civilization to know what it's like to have a Human emotions or be like Simon from TTGL and destroy that civilization that controlling the very Universe itself. Or if you fine with this kind of ending. For me it was really hard to comprehend, it's like some shit trying hard to get deeper into people minds and etching the shit out of their story but forgot to surface. This was obvious cliffhanger for me,(even it got sequel for obvious reason) Even ia bad end or a loop end has a proper closure for most story I read. Unless they done something to Kyubey this shit is pretty much like a messed up writing without any proper closure. What is even Kyubey if the being itself can even Transcend Higher Being? But that should be expected by Gen Urobuchi I guess? |
| fuck kyuubey and the other incubators like him lol Homura because she embraces total chaos or evil she starting to lose her love for Madoka eh like she even say to Madoka in the end that they might become enemies later on then because of the opposing mentality they have about rules/laws and its relation to love i want at least a sequel to conclude the battle between chaos and order Homura is chaos or evil since she will break the rules just for the sake of what she loves Madoka is order or good since she will make new rules or uphold the rules for the sake of what she loves this movie is awesome just for those concepts for me and i want to see a conclusion someday and if they did i will score this a 10/10 too because my requirement for a perfect score is for a story to have a conclusive ending |
| Madoka Magica indeed is A pure Masterpiece. The ending sure is makes you unsatisfied but isn't the story it's self is dark themed! We all know happy ending is not a option for this anime, it's impossible. I can understand hamura's emotions even it's a little bit. she regrets that she was unable to stop madoka and in result madoka choose a painful path for her self.so this time she herself became a devil to give madoka a simple life. And she doesn't regret it because even everyone hates her she can be relieved by thinking that she completed her promise that she maked with madoka and what's she became a magical girl for. |
| Rebellion doesn't answer any of your questions only makes some more. So put aside your wish to be get enlightened in the end. I'm not sure what to feel about it but i think it's okay. I love the tv series ending but Rebellion's ending doesn't seem to betray the series, at least i feel this way. I have never thought Homura is a good magical girl because in the tv series some of her actions were so selfish. She only wanted to save Madoka but in return she also wanted to be with her. So this new Anakin Homura transformation is fair. Because love is such a selfish that you can't love someone enough to let them go. Homura couldn't do this in the end. She built a new universe with new laws just to be with Madoka. I think saying this is selfish and bad is okay. Nevertheless i can't be sure if Homura is really a bad person. Love is good and if you are powerful enough to love someone back to life what's wrong with that? I'm just tired of watching stories where good guys make the sacrifice and let the world be happy and in peace. Maybe sometimes the world needs to make the sacrifice. Anyway, i think we can talk about this series for hours and we still may not be able to reach any answer. That's called Urobuchi style i guess :) Ahhh, Sayaka and Kyouko scenes are BLESSİNG. I really love Sayaka so much. Seeing her happy and hopeful is everything. Mami vs Homura just amazing. Even though we have A LOT MORE question now than before i feel glad that i watched this movie. 9/10 |
| Rewatched the whole thing anime + movie this week since at least 6 years ago. I don't know if it's because I don't remember it or was more focused on the story but everything seemed more easy to understand. I really loved the animation and narration that felt very unique. The story was also very enjoyable although slightly slow on the first half. It's definitely on the upper side of quality anime, sasuga Shaft. 9.5/10 |
| Homura did a pro gamer move and I love her for it |
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| Woah really... bruh... so this just happened... so for all those braindead you guys that don't get the whole point of this movie and the point of the ending, here is my opinion like if this is not the point the aurthor is tryna give idk what the hell is, okay after all that happened seems like a good move by Homura, i mean the point here is that Homura did everything from the start for Madoka, and in the end she gave Madoka her life back, cause in the scene where they were talking about the decision Madoka maide to become the Law of Order she said she was really afraid but had no choice, so Homura took it all upon her self, she revived Sayaka and Kyouko and now everyone is alive with a normal life style going on plus Kyuubei got punished and he is under control by Homura, that was the whole point of the ending Homura doing everything for Madoka cause she "Love her" as she said, best girl in the series = Homura don't @ me b1tchez |
-nv-Mar 29, 2020 3:57 PM
| Damn, now I understand why this movie has so many divided opinions. Honestly, Madoka's decision of saving everyone was so "in character" in the TV-series I can't believe some people think she never wanted to make that wish. Yes, she established she didn't want to be forgotten but she didn't know who she was nor what she had gone through at that moment so of course, she would answer while only considering her current circumstances. I mean, just make this version of Madoka with no recollection of her past go through the events of the TV-series and I'm 100% sure she will still make the same wish of wanting to save every Mahou Shoujo. Personally, I think Homura just misunderstood this whole conversation at the gardens and as a sad result, she ended up losing the entire focus and spitting on the determination of the person she loves the most, which is indeed sad since it only shows that her character was more broken than I originally thought. Overall, the production values were outstanding and sequences such as the Homura vs. Mami fight were an absolute joy to watch but this whole movie's plot and outcome felt so unnecessary to me. The TV-series' ending was already perfect and gave a quite satisfactory closure for all the events Homura, Madoka and the other girls had to endure. If anything, I would have preferred this movie to be about the new universe Madoka created and explain how it worked but no. It didn't even explain what was the whole deal about those "Spectres" creatures that replaced the Witches nor in what this "Law of Cycles" consisted of... so yeah, I'm kinda disappointed in that regard. 6/10 - Don't really care about other people but to me, I will consider this movie as a "What If" kind of scenario instead of a sequel. The TV-series' ending was conclusive enough and I really think there was no need of making a continuation. It wasn't a happy ending in the slightest but I prefer my Homura to remain as a character that managed to overcome a cruel cycle of despair and lives by honoring Madoka's "last will" with the hopes of finally meeting her again once her services as a Mahou Shoujo comes to an end. |
Dark_Chaos said: I highly disagree with this statement and I think it is very important that I do. This is similar to how a lot of games in the past used to have a higher difficulty level and nowadays you often get some that are easy(easier), thus not feeling as rewarding.The fact that more than one person couldn't understand that convoluted mess just proves how much of a convoluted mess it was. If your anime/game/manga/whatever can't convey your plot properly to the audience, it has failed and you have failed as a creator, no exceptions. I shouldn't have to watch something more than once to understand it. That's also saying like saying all pieces of literature need to be so easy to digest that you shouldn't have to think about them. That's not how it works. The most memorable pieces, be it anime, a book, a visual novel, manga, whatever, were for me those ones that kept me thinking about them after I finished watching them or while watching them. Those ones I wanted to watch a second, maybe even a third time to better understand the meaning. Those ones that used references to other pieces of literature, movies, etc. . Not everyone has to think the way I do, but depending on what the author intended to say with his work, it makes me feel like there is more to that story than just the usual "I will watch this and forget all about it at some point". They make you interested and invested into the story. They don't spoon-feed you. But I do agree that some of my favorite pieces are those that can be enjoyed by children as well as adults (Alice in Wonderland, Spirited Away), but it would be so goddamn boring if everything would just be so easy to understand. There is no variety, this is what makes fiction so nice after all, doesn't it? |
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| watch this after finished tv series madoka 4 years ago and this movie is sooo fuckiiingggg gooooddd !! |
| Hello yes, I just came here after rewatching to say one thing: Homura did absolutely NOTHING wrong!! |
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| can't wait for a 4th movie or season 2! I hope something comes out soon :-] |
| Oi. Oi. Oi oi oi oi oi oi what the fuck? What the fucking fuck? I was totally disappointed by this movie right until the last quarter |
| This anime shit is addictive |
| takes a good 30 minutes for stuff to start to go down, but it wasn't pointless, it was just some slow set up |
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