How is the animation quality?

Yorozuyaaa said:

Somewhere between imo. I prefer animation like Gintama' or enchousen rather than SA or FS or Rakuyou though...

Yorozuyaaa said:

Yes, i also love animation of Yoshiwara and Red Spider but somehow Gintama' and Enchousen are my favorites in terms of animation. Actually, i don't know too much about reasons and i don't mind. What i know is animation style has changed since Gintama° somehow and this changing continued in Rakuyou and Porori-hen as well.( I am not talking about quality btw.) Anyways, at least Silver Soul is way better than Porori-hen. But isn't it weird that there are lots of animation error since Porori-hen (forgetting Kusanagi-san and adding later in Excalibar arc, forgetting Tskuyo's wound in Idol arc, forgetting Otose's mouth in the last episode). Sometimes I feel like they don't give enough importance. ?

Phack-yuo-desu said:
u didn’t post the link for the freelancer

SenpaiJay98 said:
I mean, wasn't Rakuyou the one that was mid? while SA had the higher Highs(301, 304, and 305) but the lower Lows(Episode 303 and 306)...while FS had the lower Highs(314, 308, and 313) but the higher Lows?(312 and 309)



Maybe on the same level(judging the Whole episode) as Episodes 58, 102, 140, 163, 247, 254, 261, 321

b-okiya said:


I thought 308 was a higher high, no? :/
There wasn't any action but it was pure perfection imo.

I agree on the rest though.

Yorozuyaaa said:

You enter the forum of anime you didn't even watch and you hate, then you throw mud at its animation. Is your life really that bad? I feel sad for you.

Yorozuyaaa said:

I don't think that he watched at all. Who does watch sequels of an anime that he gave 1 for its first season? He is just a hater.

Yorozuyaaa said:

So he is even more pathetic than i thought. What a shame...

shanimebib said:
The animation quality is pretty good although I admit it's not of the same quality of when it was under Sunrise Inc. instead of its subsidiary BNP.

Unlike other shounen anime, Gintama has excellent animation when it really counts. Like those battle episodes we have seen in the past. I have seen FMA: Brotherhood, One Punch Man and even other shounen anime like Magi, Nanatsu no Taizai etc. where the battle episodes had pretty horrible animation yet fans went "OMG! WHAT AN EPISODE!"

Not to mention the revered SAO or Shingeki no Kyojin only looked eye candies for initial few episodes but then fell flat later on within the season. I have seen clips from Bleach and One Piece of much later episodes after I dropped them and they weren't that good. The only anime that really maintained very good animation throughout was Hunter X Hunter (2011).

The current level doesn't bother me. It's still better than most of the anime airing right now.

Yorozuyaaa said:

I don't think that he watched at all. Who does watch sequels of an anime that he gave 1 for its first season? He is just a hater.

SenpaiJay98 said:
I talked to Xeno before, he skipped everything and only watched Rakuyou and Porori, and he says he has enough "experience" to talk about the series as if he watched all 300 Episodes

to give you how bad this dude is at criticizing, he literally said that "they reused character models" for the Rakuyou arc(like the Naraku)...even though there was dozens of Naraku on screen at once...and almost each Harsume, Joui, and main cast member had a different design

JizzyHitler said:
looks meh but nothing offensive yet, the biggest issue is the series had a massive downgrade in detail and on model character designs after fujita left. I'm hopeful when things come around to the more serious parts they will actually put more effort into things.

SenpaiJay98 said:
animation mostly comes from how many animators are on it at once(and right now, Japan in general is going threw a anime shortage right now http://goboiano.com/anime-industry-faces-animator-shortage-crisis-that-could-damage-future-productions/ ) so even if he was the main director(since he's still chief) I don't think it would be a big difference tbh

JizzyHitler said:
nah it would make a massive difference, cause osomatsu-san looks phenomenal.

JizzyHitler said:
nah it would make a massive difference, cause osomatsu-san looks phenomenal.

SenpaiJay98 said:
Imagine skipping everything chapter in Berserk and reading the last one...then saying "I now have experience and know what i'm talking about"

or starting on the New World in One Piece and saying "I have enough experience because I read the newest chapters"

...or skipping Parts 1-5 of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and only reading Part 6 and saying "I have enough experience"


I have a feeling Xeno only into "pretty colors"(thatanimesnob meme) considering almost all his favorites have great animation...but the characters and plot are "questionable"(and I have a experience to talk about this because I skipped every episode and watched the final episode for every show on his favs :) )

Xeno_Wrath33x said:

Stalking my list and trying to take public digs at me lmao that's why nobody likes this snobby fanbase. The low-budget animation isn't terrible by my standards but by 2018, don't blame me if Bamco can't foot the bill. It's also funny how you say you have plenty of experience by watching the last episodes (because that's not creepy at all) while kvetching and whining that I couldn't be bothered to watch 300+ episodes of trash comedy. If not even the modern iterations were good enough, then how can I put any stock in the prequels? I don't recall saying the whole season was terrible, but it's definitely not worth all the hemming and hawing over every single aspect. "But you haven't seen it all!" Pot, meet kettle.

You don't know anything, Araragi-senpai, nothing at all. Ha ha ha.

Xeno_Wrath33x said:
"so making sure to make sure you're not a just a lowly troll is stalking now? k" You're right, I'm just doing this to troll a snobbish fanbase and obviously stalking your home turf knowing full well that you'll turn up eventually, hehehhehehehee... No. You were the one who admitted to poking through my favs like it was some sort of sport, and then boasted about it to your buddies in this very thread... Don't lose sight of that context, okay? It's important.

"it's not 300 episodes of comedy" *Trash comedy, keep it straight. If all of those "funniest moments in Gintama" compilations aren't any indication, I don't know what is.

"I can't believe you can't understand why it's so retarded that you skip over 300 Episodes, imagine me skipping all of Guilty Crown and only watching the last 2 episodes" Guilty Crown is 22 episodes. It can be finished in a weekend. Gintama would take more than a month to play catch up on. Surely this is not not that hard to understand. Use the "but you're missing out on so much" spiel all you want to, it's not worth sitting through so much cringe when there are more worthwhile series to catch up on. Like the latest season of Bleach.

"and almost all you're criticism was nonsensical" Not nearly as nonsensical as the Gintama fandom's unwillingness to admit that there are flaws worth criticizing, that every single season is not an objective 10/10, and that Gintoki is incredibly annoying 90% of the time.

"the Naraku are a cult that dresses the same lol...google cults" Wow, that's almost as spiffy an in-universe explanation as the Stormtroopers being clones in Star Wars! ...Not really, though. Not only did they dress the same, they looked the same, had the same facial features as other stock aliens from an episode before, and according to you, they're a cult not clones so there's no reason for them to be distinctly similar. Furthermore, the KKK wore hoods to hide their faces, the Naraku did not. Also, you asked me to google cults and how ironic: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gintama/comments/5jc175/i_used_to_think_gintama_fandom_was_a_cult_that/

"I also like how you never replied back to when GoldenDevilGamer after he literally countered(and bodied) all of your arguments, and plz don't use the "I don't have time for that" excuse" *headtilts* Ah, the old slippery slope maneuver where you call for backup and then try to create a scenario where I can't opt out. But I can if I want to, silly Araragi-senpai. Goldie's input is welcome here, of course, but I doubt it'd be worth dragging this out. To level somewhat: All I said was "it's terrible, as you'd expect" and you reacted in an offputting manner. Take this as a lesson of sorts: Any criticism is good criticism. And it wasn't a disparaging statement either, since the animation is below par so far. We'll see how the rest of it goes, eh?

Xeno_Wrath33x said:
"so making sure to make sure you're not a just a lowly troll is stalking now? k" You're right, I'm just doing this to troll a snobbish fanbase and obviously stalking your home turf knowing full well that you'll turn up eventually, hehehhehehehee... No. You were the one who admitted to poking through my favs like it was some sort of sport, and then boasted about it to your buddies in this very thread... Don't lose sight of that context, okay? It's important.

"it's not 300 episodes of comedy" *Trash comedy, keep it straight. If all of those "funniest moments in Gintama" compilations aren't any indication, I don't know what is.

"I can't believe you can't understand why it's so retarded that you skip over 300 Episodes, imagine me skipping all of Guilty Crown and only watching the last 2 episodes" Guilty Crown is 22 episodes. It can be finished in a weekend. Gintama would take more than a month to play catch up on. Surely this is not not that hard to understand. Use the "but you're missing out on so much" spiel all you want to, it's not worth sitting through so much cringe when there are more worthwhile series to catch up on. Like the latest season of Bleach.

"and almost all you're criticism was nonsensical" Not nearly as nonsensical as the Gintama fandom's unwillingness to admit that there are flaws worth criticizing, that every single season is not an objective 10/10, and that Gintoki is incredibly annoying 90% of the time.

"the Naraku are a cult that dresses the same lol...google cults" Wow, that's almost as spiffy an in-universe explanation as the Stormtroopers being clones in Star Wars! ...Not really, though. Not only did they dress the same, they looked the same, had the same facial features as other stock aliens from an episode before, and according to you, they're a cult not clones so there's no reason for them to be distinctly similar. Furthermore, the KKK wore hoods to hide their faces, the Naraku did not. Also, you asked me to google cults and how ironic: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gintama/comments/5jc175/i_used_to_think_gintama_fandom_was_a_cult_that/

"I also like how you never replied back to when GoldenDevilGamer after he literally countered(and bodied) all of your arguments, and plz don't use the "I don't have time for that" excuse" *headtilts* Ah, the old slippery slope maneuver where you call for backup and then try to create a scenario where I can't opt out. But I can if I want to, silly Araragi-senpai. Goldie's input is welcome here, of course, but I doubt it'd be worth dragging this out. To level somewhat: All I said was "it's terrible, as you'd expect" and you reacted in an offputting manner. Take this as a lesson of sorts: Any criticism is good criticism. And it wasn't a disparaging statement either, since the animation is below par so far. We'll see how the rest of it goes, eh?

BliuBliu said:
You guys should just stop replying to this guy. He's clearly either trolling or retarded. Not worth the time and it's derailing the thread.

SenpaiJay98 said:
The more that i'm talking to him makes me think he's not a troll, and wants to provide criticism, which is kinda sad considering thank I think he may be a better critic when it's a show he actually 100% watched, but oh well...what can you do lol

Salamak said:

Even if he only watched serious arcs of gintama that lead to the plot he still can critisize the show i believe.
What do you mean the anime can't do each frame's justice?..how's that?..

SenpaiJay98 said:
Serious arcs aren't enough(since there is episodes and arcs that aren't "serious arcs" like the Umibozu, Fuyo, Yagyuu, and Beam Saber which are important, and important comedy arcs that complete characters arcs like the Love Potion or Genderbend arc etc.), but skipping some of the comedy episodes are fine enough(like Episodes 1, 2, 19, 20, 38, 150, 156, 164, etc.)

like because anime is a whole different beast of it's owns, it's not supposed to be a still frame with details for most of it's run(it's supposed to have movement and good sound design, whether that's the characters, camera, special effects, ost, etc.), and the manga artwork got too good starting on the SA arc...that TV anime production can't do all of it justice(like the Yato fight in Episode 303, or the Oboro clash in Episode 306)

Salamak said:

There are some semiserious arcs with good stories that helps us understand characters better like beam saber,or kintama, but they're not relevant to the story, you still can enjoy and feel for the characters watching just the serious arcs, not as much as you would if you watched the whole show but still. For soeme one who doesn't like the comedy of the show watching the serious ones is the best option i suppose.
It depends on him, he doesn't enjoy the comedy, but i don't know how much of what he watched he enjoyed. Like did he enjoy the flash backs for kagura's mom or ep 328 or not? If he didn't enjoy that at all, and he wants to watch this last season i think watching the serious ones are the best option here. But no he won't feel as much as we do so he still won't get why we give it 10.

Do you mean the manga looks way more detailed and gives more feelings?..
I don't have time to compare the 2, i wish you could provide an example.

Salamak said:
@Xeno_Wrath33x

since you gave gintama 2017 a 4, i assume there were somethings that you liked. gintama can be watched in 50-100 episodes with only 10 percent comedy.

i'd say watch beam saber arc ( episode 262-264)
it might start comedic, but believe me there's hell lot more to it.

based on how much you enjoy this arc, we can give you a longer or shorter list of episodes to watch.
there are some episodes that are really hilarious, way more that usual, i'd suggest episode 273 as an example, if you liked this one we'll give you a list on best comedy arcs too. there maybe 20 where every one agrees on.

BliuBliu said:
You guys should just stop replying to this guy. He's clearly either trolling or retarded. Not worth the time and it's derailing the thread.

Koustubh said:
For your kind information, Gintama is my favourite anime (Yes it's no. 1 for me and not One Piece, Naruto, Bleach or any other mainstream anime), and I've watched all the episodes of this anime, understood all the jokes by searching on the net, tried to grasp as many references as I can. So please don't tell that I'm "EITHER TROLLING OR RETARDED". Please don't say whatever you want when you don't know anything. Peace :)

YGP said:
About the animation:
I spent a lot of time studying the animation of Gintama and I can talk a little and give some tips.

1°: It is important to always pay attention to the animation directors of Gintama.
Each of them has its way of working and this leaves the animation of Gintama different.


I really like Sasaki, Mariko and Honjo, their jobs are very consistent. They are the best.
The new episode has 3 animation directors.

一ノ瀬結梨 = Yuri Ichinose (half of eps: 277, 284, 294, 302, 313, 319, 324, 335)
楡木哲郎 = Tetsurou Nireki (Solo eps: 269, 274, 279) and (Half of eps 304, 315)
宮崎里美 = Satomi Miyazaki (Half of eps: 312, 314, 317, 323, 328, 329, 335)
The first episode of Shirogane had excellent ADs, highlight Tetsurou and Miyazaki, especially Miyazaki, who always delivers good episodes. Ichinose and Tetsurou made the recent 335, which had some problems, but I believe it's the fault of the other episode AD, Nakamura Yumi. These 3 did not have such a good harmony in this episode. One of my favorite works of Satomi Miyazaki is episode 329, simply incredible, along with Youhei Sasaki.

About the fluidity of animation. I believe that all combat frames against various extras (or most of them) will be in static animation.

Gintama have good animators for action, as the already mentioned Honjo and Sasaki, BUT, there are several pisses. Honjo is a freelancer, since the end of Gintama °, he did not return to the series anymore (but he worked in MHA, KS and Kujira).
Sasaki is an animator at Wish studio who is employed by Gintama's staff as animation director and currently principal animator. He participates in many episodes, but can not animate the anime alone, so even though he makes good cuts, several of them will be short. I'm glad he's present in the new OP: https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/43441

Mariko Ishikawa is one of the best ADs this season, she encouraged the whole ED alone. This is amazing:
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/43442

About BNP:
BNP is a studio formed by Sunrise studios.
Sunrise has dozens of studios, Bandai Namco has decided to do a studio by joining 4 Sunrise studios. Gintama has been produced since its first animation by Sunrise Studio 5, this studio became the BNP C, currently working on Gintama. That is, the studio never changed.

About Chizuru:
She is a good director, excellent with drama and comedy, has yet to learn, but is evolving. She loves to do fights at a distance (realize that BNP's Gintama always has that scene that the camera is distant, like Know Know Know, Gintoki vs Takasugi, Sougo vs Gintoki and so on).

About animators:
I already told you about Honjo and Sasaki. About Oppata, he stopped working on anything until he came back as Character Design 18if and make a promotional image for Gintama, just that ....



Besides Honjo, it would be good to see other animators who participated in other seasons, such as:
Mirai
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/35369

Hoori
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/30262

About the seasons:
Gintama ° is more inconceivable than previous ones, but has more fluid scenes.
Gintama. is uncountable from start to finish, even having a few good times, has several bad ones.
Gintama Porori-hen was very stable most of the time.
I hope Shirogane is a mixture between Gintama ° and Porori-hen.
I think it will be a medium animation overall, with some strong moments

Sorry for bad English, I hope I have helped.

Koustubh said:
YGP, you're the man bro!!!! Thanks a lot for the much needed detailed clarification on this topic <3

SenpaiJay98 said:
where does it say that tadashi oppata made that imagine?(the promotional one)

YGP said:
I hope I have helped.