| Anime companies don't support me, i wont support them. End, no need for that litany. |
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| i guess piracy threads is what we're doing this week cool |
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martiooo said: You're watching their shit, so they're contributing to your entertainment. But you won't contribute anything back. Lemme guess, you like one-sided relationships? I don't see any anime movies in my city cinema. Also i cant legally stream old anime. |
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martiooo said: You see it on the internet. Quit dodging and playing the retard here. Are you seriously offering "you can watch it on the internet" as a viable alternative to the lack of presence of anime movies in cinemas? I mean, I watch most of my stuff through the internet but that's not its intended format and you miss part of the experience. |
| Heck, there's a forumer that's been more active than usual lately NAMED @Pirate I kinda feel like this a crunchyroll employee. |
ZionPulseNov 4, 2017 4:34 PM
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martiooo said: Quit dodging and playing the retard here. Your aggressive attitude won't help anime industry mate. |
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ZionPulse said: Heck, there's a forumer that's been more active than usual lately NAMED @Pirate I kinda feel like this a crunchyroll employee. I mean, I think this is a joke but considering their PR department head kind of being on an eternal anti-piracy crusade, while just generally being incompetent as a PR person, or just generally communicating with people in general, I wouldn't put it past them to come to MAL and make bad shitpost threads that would be totally transparent honestly |
ManabanNov 4, 2017 4:41 PM
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| at first i thought that the other thread was bait material too bad i'm not interested on 90% - or more - of what CR has to offer. Better spend money buying licensed manga or whatever |
| Since there are a lot of threads regarding this I will say this you should try to support the industry in some way if you have the means. To be honest I will admit that probably most anime I have watched is illegal streamed stemming back to my days as a kid but I have been trying to support it in my own way now that I have a bit more disposable income. In general I agree that anime companies will determine their success from the Japanese market and what we can do is minimal to the audience over there but if everyone just pledged a little bit to their favorite series there would be a huge increase in profits and it would give more animators bargaining power for their salaries. Cause the industry is growing but if animators are not going to be paid properly the opportunity cost for them going into the industry will be zero outside of pure love and any chance to see series that you like now or hopes to see a revitalization of the past will be non existent and CGI will become way more prolific as well as series that will cash in through cheap tropes. |
| I don't know why us pirates try to justify Illigal streaming. We all REALLY know why we do it. We just don't want to pay. Don't try and act like a saint. |
Once you realize that what others think about what you enjoy doesn't matter, you will finally be free |
| why would I waste money on CR when they most likely won't have everything I want each season or shows I want past seasons I mean if I want to pay for something I buy the DVDs. Does CR even have anything on my fav section which I don't already have on DVD? |
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| I’m not gonna say CR is the bad guy, or that piracy would somehow be great for the industry, but sometimes (or even most of the time tbh) streaming sites just make more sense. I have a CR account and they have a lot of things I want to watch, but not everything. I haven’t encountered this issue yet, but as a poster above said sometimes videos are region locked. When the options besides illegally streaming are 1. Subscribe to multiple legal streaming services, since you have no idea which service will have which anime 2. Buy a physical copy- That means having to wait a while for every show 3. Live in Japan I guess? lol sometimes people just have to pirate it even if they don’t want to (and as you can see above, a lot of people simply dont want to pay for something they can get for free ¯_(ツ)_/¯ ) |
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pgmhecateii said: Oh wow, is this the counter argument for the "You SHOULD Pirate Anime" thread? What, you want me to waste my damn money on CR when I can get mine free? Um, why the heck do you think I even have a credit card in the first place? Nobody here knows or cares why you may or may not have a credit card. Even if you only liked 3 shows per season that you could get through CR, that's only $2 each. If you think that is "wasting your money" just to watch anime, then obviously anime isn't important or valuable to you. So why watch it at all since it has such little value? |
 You're never too old to watch anime. If I ever stop watching anime, check my pulse I'm likely dead. I wake up with coffee & anime, I go to sleep with coffee & anime. Sorry if my sarcasm is bad, it's not my first language. |
_Yuna_ said: ..sometimes people just have to pirate it even if they don’t want to.. WRONG! Nobody HAS to pirate anime. Anime is not an essential for sustaining life. They CHOOSE to pirate for whatever excuses they want to latch on to. |
| You're never too old to watch anime. If I ever stop watching anime, check my pulse I'm likely dead. I wake up with coffee & anime, I go to sleep with coffee & anime. Sorry if my sarcasm is bad, it's not my first language. |
martiooo said: Even bonkai77's torrents don't reach this level of quality(I torrent as well for certain shows that have better translations that I haven't bought a Blu-ray for yet) Isn't that a bit hypocritical considering the subject of this thread? |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| Legal streamers are doing a good job supporting the industry, kudos to them. Really, I'm serious, thank you so much legal streamers. The anime industry might go down without your money supporting them. I'll just sit here streaming illegally and have them support the industry for me. If the industry is making more money because of these legal streaming sites and the people subscribed to them, they will keep growing even without my help. |
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| Pirating is wrong, I don't think that's even up for debate. That said, I will continue to pirate anime as long as the illegal streaming sites continue to provide me a better service than the legal ones. I refuse to pay for a Crunchyroll membership just because it's morally right to do so. |
Older_than_dirt said: _Yuna_ said: ..sometimes people just have to pirate it even if they don’t want to.. WRONG! Nobody HAS to pirate anime. Anime is not an essential for sustaining life. They CHOOSE to pirate for whatever excuses they want to latch on to. Alright, I’ll rephrase. I’ll assume this person wants to do more in their life than just what is necessary for surviving, and I’ll assume that they enjoy anime and would like to watch it. For this hypothetical, they would LIKE to watch it legally be it for moral, convenience, or quality reasons; however, because of where they live, or their inability to subscribe to multiple legal streaming websites, pirating is the only viable option to watch anime. I guess, you could just tell them too bad, no anime at all for you. Yeah, I realize anime is not essential for avoiding death, but it was really just easier to say “has to” |
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Wasshio said: But on a serious note: Supporting in legal means is a good thing if you want to help, but if other people can't either have actual access (Heck CR has REGION block for some countries still), or don't have much money to pay for subscription (I know there's the option to watch it for free but then here comes the other issue) or stable connection, then what can we do about that? Just asking this simple question. If you can't afford a car, then you bum rides from friends and family, you ride public transportation, ride a bicycle, or you walk. None will be as consistently reliable/fast/cheap as driving your own car, but you'll still get to your destination. If none of those options are viable, then you don't go. You don't claim you are "entitled to go" as justification for taking someone else's vehicle. |
| You're never too old to watch anime. If I ever stop watching anime, check my pulse I'm likely dead. I wake up with coffee & anime, I go to sleep with coffee & anime. Sorry if my sarcasm is bad, it's not my first language. |
Blarey said: Hmm really now? And how would one go about watching obscure, older anime that aren't on any of the streaming services? You expect me to buy the DVD's for 200-400$ each? I can name countless anime that aren't on any streaming services. I mean most big older series you don't have to pay that price I mean obviously it depends on country but you can get the entirety of the bebop series for like $50 probably even cheaper in the states. Yeah some series are harder to find and cost a lot more if you aren't using stream sites the only way to watch Hajime No Ippo is to stream either legal or illegal since you can't just buy the box set over here but for the series that are popular and available they aren't that expensive especially if you really like the series and want to show support and say hey Japan make more stuff like this. |
| One question though. The anime companies have directly said that they support legal streaming sites. But where is the argument that they're facing any loss if you watch it anywhere else without paying them? I mean, okay they profit from you paying them, but they don't lose anything from you not doing so, right? If you want it from a different perspective: Let's say you're a part of an extremely talented group and you can create stuff that only a few people can in this world. You'll obviously want to show your talented work to the world, but there's one problem. You need money to do so. You sell licences to services that charge people for watching your amazing work and then you get paid. Everything's perfect, but then there's illegal streaming sites. These websites show your work for free... Oh no, now what will hap... Wait, nothing's wrong. You're already getting the money you need for continuing your work as well as a lot of profit, but what's even better is that more people get to see what you created but without paying, so what? Your main goal was to show people the stuff you make anyway, right? And that's the deal with studios. They successfully show their work to the people and get paid, but they also show their work without getting paid (it may be without their will) but the point is that they don't need anything else. They had to show animes to the people and get money so they can make more animes + profit for them. And they're getting both of them. End of story. In other words: They are already getting what they need from legal sites, illegal sites just offer more people to see their work without harming anyone. |
SarymNov 4, 2017 6:10 PM
martiooo said: And they're saying that it's as effective as other forms of funding, because it doesn't go through an intermediary production committee like in Japan, the money goes straight to the studios. im sorry, what? if their streaming this shit legally the company pays for both the subbing/dubbing and hosting fees. how exactly does this mean more cash in their pocket as opposed to just paying for sub/dubbing and releasing it to theaters/discs? i see no logic. also not seeing the logic behind catering to streaming services, yes multiple cuz thats the only way your going to be able to see every anime, and then deal with ads, popups, browser jacking, slow buffer speeds, or any of the multiple other possible annoying interruptions when i can download the damn show in 1080p and hdmi the thing to my hd capable tv then throw on my turtle beaches and get theatre standard sound. and still support anime companies buy purchasing physical merchandise such as t-shirts, figures, posters, etc which probably offer more of a kickback to the studios because the makers have to pay for rights to use the characters names/likenesses on their product as well as part of the profits from each item. that is assuming the production company isn't owned by the animes parent company, and the parent company doesn't have horrid business senses. |
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| If legal streaming helps so much than they should move their lazy asses from their conservative seats and make their own large scale anime streaming service for their native audience. Also, while the studio may profit from such services the animators, who overwork their asses to near suicide, don't receive any extra for their work. Make so a fair part of our streaming money goes to our hard working fellas and the chances of me subscribing to such services may actually increase. |
HyperLNov 4, 2017 6:27 PM
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
_Yuna_ said: Alright, I’ll rephrase. I’ll assume this person wants to do more in their life than just what is necessary for surviving, and I’ll assume that they enjoy anime and would like to watch it. For this hypothetical, they would LIKE to watch it legally be it for moral, convenience, or quality reasons; however, because of where they live, or their inability to subscribe to multiple legal streaming websites, pirating is the only viable option to watch anime. I guess, you could just tell them too bad, no anime at all for you. As if people are "entitled" to watch all the anime they want... I suspect there are very few places on earth where one could not get any legal anime at all, and that the people living in those areas don't care about watching anime, if they even know it exists. To the point.... If legal anime is limited where you are, take what you can get, and use your money & voice (along with all the other subscribers) to convince your provider to expand their service. Personally, I don't care if someone pirates anime. If you're going to pirate anime, don't try to gloss it over with excuses, and act like you're in the right. |
| You're never too old to watch anime. If I ever stop watching anime, check my pulse I'm likely dead. I wake up with coffee & anime, I go to sleep with coffee & anime. Sorry if my sarcasm is bad, it's not my first language. |
| Oh here we go. I'm not reading all of that. I have an idea. How about YOU watch anime legally and let everyone else watch it how they want instead of making essay long posts about why everyone else should do something. Are you personally being effected by everyone streaming anime illegally? By the way, there is no justifying piracy because it is indeed stealing. No if, ands or buts. It's stealing. |
ArillionNov 4, 2017 6:21 PM
Older_than_dirt said: If you're going to pirate anime, don't try to gloss it over with excuses, and act like you're in the right. I’ll agree to disagree on whether some of those excuses are valid, but I’ll agree that acting like it’s somehow helpful or “right” is dumb |
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Older_than_dirt said: pgmhecateii said: Oh wow, is this the counter argument for the "You SHOULD Pirate Anime" thread? What, you want me to waste my damn money on CR when I can get mine free? Um, why the heck do you think I even have a credit card in the first place? Nobody here knows or cares why you may or may not have a credit card. Even if you only liked 3 shows per season that you could get through CR, that's only $2 each. If you think that is "wasting your money" just to watch anime, then obviously anime isn't important or valuable to you. So why watch it at all since it has such little value? Not all of us have the money to spend on multiple streaming services. And even if we did, why would we be stupid enough to pay that if we can get it for FREE and SAVE MONEY? Few of us are actually dedicated enough to actually pay for this stuff. Don't be ignorant. As long as there are others to keep paying for their anime, people like us can reap the rewards without wasting money. We don't care enough to pay. People will just have to deal with that. |
| Once you realize that what others think about what you enjoy doesn't matter, you will finally be free |
CreativeNam3 said: Older_than_dirt said: Nobody here knows or cares why you may or may not have a credit card. Even if you only liked 3 shows per season that you could get through CR, that's only $2 each. If you think that is "wasting your money" just to watch anime, then obviously anime isn't important or valuable to you. So why watch it at all since it has such little value? Not all of us have the money to spend on multiple streaming services. And even if we did, why would we be stupid enough to pay that if we can get it for FREE and SAVE MONEY? Few of us are actually dedicated enough to actually pay for this stuff. Don't be ignorant. As long as there are others to keep paying for their anime, people like us can reap the rewards without wasting money. We don't care enough to pay. People will just have to deal with that. I mean its self destructive if you look at in that way look am I not going to after people on it people who subscribed to CR and then streamed Made in Abyss illegally I can see why and those that just don't I can also see why. But ultimately the money has to come from somewhere and if the industry did increase massively in profits then animators would have more of an argument to bargain for more. If not well I guess we will have to be happier with a bit more of an influx of CGI. I just want to see animators get paid a livable wage where they don't make less than unskilled labor. Those who do pay do it because we want to see that same style of animation show etc I mostly only have a hand full of series that I actually just pay for through box sets or iTunes and as a student I don't always have the most disposable income and since I am pretty sporadic paid streaming isn't always the best but hey if you buy one series you really like and stream the other 99% at least then the anime industry will go towards more series of quality and will get some growth hopefully enough to continue to support it. I don't hate people who illegally stream that would be hypocritical I only dislike when people justify it if you don't care enough or you think the modern industry is trash why bother being here at all go invest into a hobby you think is of better quality. If you don't want to pay for multiple services I can see why then but don't make that argument when you didn't plan to support one at all. I mean when you see a good series investing tons of money toward it would actually be the best way to show hey I want more of this. Stuff like Berserk don't get good adaptations not because the anime industry caters to Otaku's they don't because the Otaku's are more profitable if you had sales in the States or Japan up to one million you bet there would be a good adaptation. I mean IDK I have just seen some here complain that current anime aren't good enough for their money but then ignore the fact that if they then contribute to series that they did like even older ones you actually might see more of a change. |
BilboBaggins365Nov 4, 2017 6:43 PM
CreativeNam3 said: Not all of us have the money to spend on multiple streaming services. And even if we did, why would we be stupid enough to pay that if we can get it for FREE and SAVE MONEY? Few of us are actually dedicated enough to actually pay for this stuff. Don't be ignorant. As long as there are others to keep paying for their anime, people like us can reap the rewards without wasting money. We don't care enough to pay. People will just have to deal with that. That's the exact same mentality of some Welfare recipients... "Why earn it, when I can get it for free at someone else's expense?" If you want to pirate, fine, go pirate, but you're also going to get called a pirate/criminal or whatever. You'll just have to deal with it. |
| You're never too old to watch anime. If I ever stop watching anime, check my pulse I'm likely dead. I wake up with coffee & anime, I go to sleep with coffee & anime. Sorry if my sarcasm is bad, it's not my first language. |
| Pay subscriptions for something I'll probably never watch. Before moving to other topic I'll say something about why should i subscribe if the service have limitations? Region restrictions, incomplete anime and stuff. Why? And personally I prefer download encoded anime than watching it, so i can rewatch it not to mention slow internet connection. That's why I am asking why there's no site that offer a legal digital copies? So incase BD doesn't sell just make the Digital limited to 720p instead of 1080. Also talk about BD Vs TV quality it could be settled later as long there's a limitation. Pirating is bad though it's not like selling digital copies will worsen the piracy if it's just going to get pirated again by the illegal streaming website and tons of site that offer encoded fansub. |
CreativeNam3 said: Not all of us have the money to spend on multiple streaming services. And even if we did, why would we be stupid enough to pay that if we can get it for FREE and SAVE MONEY? Few of us are actually dedicated enough to actually pay for this stuff. Don't be ignorant. As long as there are others to keep paying for their anime, people like us can reap the rewards without wasting money. We don't care enough to pay. People will just have to deal with that. i agree! paying for $5 a month is too expensive. *on a $50/month internet connection replying on a $1,000 gaming rig while waiting for nintendo switch and a $650+ to finish charging their battery* *watching anime on a 65'' 4K oled tv* seriously, those streaming costs are too expensive! paying almost 17 cents a day! that's highway robbery, right there. Amazon and Netflix are one of the few that offer download option. agreed about the region-lock though. |
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
DreamingBeats said: CreativeNam3 said: Not all of us have the money to spend on multiple streaming services. And even if we did, why would we be stupid enough to pay that if we can get it for FREE and SAVE MONEY? Few of us are actually dedicated enough to actually pay for this stuff. Don't be ignorant. As long as there are others to keep paying for their anime, people like us can reap the rewards without wasting money. We don't care enough to pay. People will just have to deal with that. i agree! paying for $5 a month is too expensive. *on a $50/month internet connection replying on a $1,000 gaming rig while waiting for nintendo switch and a $650+ to finish charging their battery* *watching anime on a 65'' 4K oled tv* seriously, those streaming costs are too expensive! paying almost 17 cents a day! that's highway robbery, right there. Amazon and Netflix are one of the few that offer download option. agreed about the region-lock though. YEah it sucks.. For anime i wanted a digital copies but non available. Theres a digital copies for manga and ln not available in my country. Though i prefer the physcal for manga and ln.. then you know.. translation.. i hope i have a konyaku jelly from doraemon so i can speak and understand multiple language. |
| Oh God the deep level of cancer. Pirating is illegal, there's no denying that. But the way that some people attack others for pirating is just horrendous. See here, some of the people here are teens who might not have their own credit cards and asking your parents to fund that hobby might be a tall order sometimes. Others may be less blessed financially and claiming that they're hurting the industry by pirating is stupid, because they wouldn't be able to pay for anime either way. Some people would rather buy merch than pay for streaming services. In the overall order of things, that provides more to the industry than your subscriptions, so don't think you're in a higher ground simply for subscribing. Crunchy has horrid region laws. Been that way since pre2k10 and it's still is since last I checked (3 weeks ago). Other legal sources have less titles. |
Brb said: Oh God the deep level of cancer. Pirating is illegal, there's no denying that. But the way that some people attack others for pirating is just horrendous. See here, some of the people here are teens who might not have their own credit cards and asking your parents to fund that hobby might be a tall order sometimes. Others may be less blessed financially and claiming that they're hurting the industry by pirating is stupid, because they wouldn't be able to pay for anime either way. Some people would rather buy merch than pay for streaming services. In the overall order of things, that provides more to the industry than your subscriptions, so don't think you're in a higher ground simply for subscribing. Crunchy has horrid region laws. Been that way since pre2k10 and it's still is since last I checked (3 weeks ago). Other legal sources have less titles. it's mostly people criticizing pirates who feel they're entitled to everything. CR doesn't make laws - they must abide by the laws. sometimes they can't offer a series to one country because another company already have exclusive rights to it. if they want to offer anime legally, which is the whole point. unlike pirates, those who pay for streaming or watch through ads actually support the industry, albeit by a small amount individually. it is true that you can support anime industry through other means - such as buying merchandise, manga, etc. |
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
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