| Things like this make me wonder how anime still exist. |
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| We all knew Japanese animation studios were low key sweatshops. |
| inb4 people blame piracy for this... |
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| Lol in India it's around 18000₹ per month which is around~275$ per month, I'm talking about mc Donald's btw |
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| If that is what you call low salary then ill be gladly working there or America's McDonalds any day. |
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| Wow, never knew anime was in such a financial shit hole. I guess I better start looking for a new hobby because in 5 years, its all going to be CG. I'd rather go outside than watch a whole CG anime. |
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Elegade said: Wow, never knew anime was in such a financial shit hole. I guess I better start looking for a new hobby because in 5 years, its all going to be CG. I'd rather go outside than watch a whole CG anime. That moment when Love Live Idol scenes have tons of CGI. :P Anyway for something on topic. It really sucks how the industry pays its animators. They have what really is the hardest job. Really hope the industry fixes this some day. |
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isekai said: Elegade said: Wow, never knew anime was in such a financial shit hole. I guess I better start looking for a new hobby because in 5 years, its all going to be CG. I'd rather go outside than watch a whole CG anime. im fine with anime going full 3DCG lol bring it on 3DCG animators are paid better i heard and they only require less staff too EDIT: yep found a source confirming 3D animators are paid more (double the pay than 2D animators) https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5aun0c/anime_industry_salaries_updated/ If anime's going to be full CG, I'll stick to manga and ln at that point. |
Calal-Chan said: Elegade said: Wow, never knew anime was in such a financial shit hole. I guess I better start looking for a new hobby because in 5 years, its all going to be CG. I'd rather go outside than watch a whole CG anime. That moment when Love Live Idol scenes have tons of CGI. :P Anyway for something on topic. It really sucks how the industry pays its animators. They have what really is the hardest job. Really hope the industry fixes this some day. Yeah, but Love Live still uses traditional drawn frames most of the time, only when dancing they use CG. I have to admit though, Episode 3 of Sunshine's Season 2 was almost flawless, however, if Rabu Raibu transitioned to all CG and it is noticeable, I'm giving up on anime. |
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isekai said: if the cost of living is low that doesn't mean the country is poornymi said: If that is what you call low salary then ill be gladly working there or America's McDonalds any day. the cost of living in USA is greater than poor countries though so you will not save much money or heck you will not save any money at all |
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| I earn 310$ a month (in a poor country South-East Europe), I barely afford the internet to pirate anime. That's why I don't complain when I see bad animations. Congrats to the animators who keep their professionalism at such a low wage. |
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isekai said: P.A. Works has long been viewed as one of the “good” studios. Like Kyoto Animation and Sunrise, they treat their artists as people and are sympathetic towards the tough luck their younger employees face – as evident in their original projects Shirobako and Sakura Quest. But a new job posting has fans do a double-take. The studio is hiring new recruits for a Spring 2018 project, with starting pay at 770 yen ($6.75) an hour. Discounting overtime, a new recruit could earn 1.8 million yen ($15,790) before taxes. That’s a pretty terrible rate for animators. P.A. Works is located in Toyama Prefecture and set the pay at the 770 yen minimum wage for the area. Japanese fans have blasted the studio for offering less pay than McDonald’s (980 yen / $8.60 an hour) and convenience stores (920 yen / $8 an hour). That’s right, working on a potentially beloved anime for one of Japan’s favorite studios is financially less rewarding than food service. Even crazier is that P.A. Works’ pay is above average for the industry! Most animators only make 2 to 5 yen per drawing since most studios can’t afford to pay artists an hourly rate. The average animator only makes 1.1 million yen ($9,658) so P.A. Works’ wage is a step up from the competition. http://goboiano.com/p-a-works-now-pays-new-animators-22-less-than-mcdonalds/ this studios are making the animator shortage crisis worse lol Animators not making that much isn't really something new. This is something that has been going on for decades. Unemployment could be really high causing people to take what they can get. Maybe there is some prestige with being a animator and it looks good on a job application or resume for future places of employment. Maybe these animators are doing work for multiple studies at one time so the money evens out. Who knows why people are still working as animators today in Japan. As long wage that job is I am surprised there aren't animation sweatshop filled with illegal immigrants from China and other countries just mass producing animation.. |
| EVERYBODY needs to eat, but nobody NEEDS to watch anime. I'm not saying that its right to offer such low wages, and if the industry continues on like this it will collapse on itself, but the above statement is true. Corporate greed produces situations like this all over the world. Sell for the highest price possible, while paying workers as little as possible, to maximize profits for the top executives/shareholders. Their pockets are the only ones they care about filling. Its only when the well-spring of workers willing to work for that wage dries up, that they'll shell out a few more pennies to attract a new batch. Often, they'll cut costs elsewhere, usually at the expense of the employee in some other form, so that profits don't drop. I quit a job because of that. They gave us a raise, but at the same time they increased the employee's share of health insurance costs. What looked like a good deal for the employees on paper actually cost us money, because that raise only covered half the cost of the insurance increase. |
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| Nobody NEEDS to pay for garbage services... |
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| Funny i like their work, but no i don't care about animators. They knew exactly in what shit they were going into. But i bet that western pirates are cause of this as well. |
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Swagernator said: Funny i like their work, but no i don't care about animators. They knew exactly in what shit they were going into. But i bet that western pirates are cause of this as well. I'll blame the industry first before the pirates. In my country people who work on McD had about 5-8 bucks salary in my country that's pretty much standard o think. Though all they need to do are pretty simple compared animators. Catalano said: I earn 310$ a month (in a poor country South-East Europe), I barely afford the internet to pirate anime. That's why I don't complain when I see bad animations. Congrats to the animators who keep their professionalism at such a low wage. I can feel sad story in your lives. Tell me if i am wrong. But that said i agree, i cant complain much about the anime. To be sure it's better to recruit rookie VA for middle tier to lower studio. Then keep the animation minimal but not that bad. Also even if anime dead, i kinda hope that every manga and ln got translated fully so i can buy the whole collection instead paying for overpriced BAD/DVD. Likewise though they should find a better way to make profit.. |
Blarey said: That's probably why I rate most of their stuff with 5's. I gave Shirobako a 5 because I didn't like the 100+ cast size in a 24 or so episode series. This is why Bakuman may suit my tastes more as it apparently has a more focused cast. Older_than_dirt said: EVERYBODY needs to eat, but nobody NEEDS to watch anime. But anime is a way of life though. It exists to bring joy and excitement into our otherwise boring lives. |
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| McD pays 9€ +taxfree shift bonuses in Germany. For a job without requirements that's a lot if you ask me. |
| i wonder how much other anime studios there is in Toyama Prefecture... |
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| Now I know why their animation became unbearable. Poor j.c staff. |
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| well, Mcdonals is actually one of the better employers here for people with no education or training or anything so not totally surprised. Still, animators have actual training so they obviously should be getting paid more. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Well that's pretty sad... literally got nothing more to say to that. Damn. |
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Catalano said: @Xaelath It is a sad story because I could earn better in a bigger city. Well what to do, the animators should form syndicates to fight for their rights. 770 yen per hour is too little. Unless I know the fact and information behind the studio and the industry i cant argue about it. I forgot something about their rights from past discussion, it's something about if they stop no one cares, the studio will going to hire another people that'll do the same job with the same payment. |
| Basically the same pay i get and i have a job that requires a training. |
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| Damn it, now I am envious of you people earning more than me :)) and the animators |
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| People blaming pirates for the studio higher ups deliberately choosing to pay their employees shitty salaries incoming in 3, 2, 1 ... |
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| Bitch please in Argentina McDonalds pays $4,31 an hour and all the products in the country (food, cars, ALL) get more expensive every month. |
| Seriously.... if animators get paid less than working at McDonald's, then GO! Boycott the industry ffs. What the heck are these animators sitting around with that kind of pay? We can criticise all we want from the outside, bottom line is, animators still choose to stay there and earn that pay rather than leaving the industry. Sure, maybe less anime will be created or all the animating jobs get outsourced, but I don't see how that's a bad thing for these animators because it will mean THEY GET PAID MORE to work in the service line. If animating is a passion for them, they could always do it as a hobby. No matter how much the animators complain or the consumers express their disgust, if the animators are still willing to work for that pay, why on earth would the studios be inclined pay animators any more? |
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Swagernator said: Funny i like their work, but no i don't care about animators. They knew exactly in what shit they were going into. But i bet that western pirates are cause of this as well. This. Im pretty sure the animators are aware about the low pay but do it because they love it that is why they are able to deliver some decent works. |
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| I wish I could say I was surprised. I love anime, but fuck I hate the industry. |
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| PA Works has fell from grace and into the arms of corporate tyranny. Pay your animators a decent wage please. Also, CG is not the future, CG wouldn't be so rampant if companies paid their animators properly. |
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Kittens-kun said: inb4 people blame piracy for this... equally moronic is arguing that boycott by not buying their products would solve this, as some pirates claim. |
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Elegade said: Calal-Chan said: That moment when Love Live Idol scenes have tons of CGI. :P Anyway for something on topic. It really sucks how the industry pays its animators. They have what really is the hardest job. Really hope the industry fixes this some day. Yeah, but Love Live still uses traditional drawn frames most of the time, only when dancing they use CG. I have to admit though, Episode 3 of Sunshine's Season 2 was almost flawless, however, if Rabu Raibu transitioned to all CG and it is noticeable, I'm giving up on anime. Idk man, I always thought that cgi would never look good but Sunshine Season 2 has really changed my mind on that. From 2013-2017, love live has gotten better looking with every single installation. The current cg effects surpass a lot of the 2d animation from the original series in terms of conveying personality as well as making the dances more readable. If this is what cgi is capable of, then I welcome it with open arms. |
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| That's junior, they will get a higher salary if they go up to senior level. |
| Where I live the minimum wage is $10.85/hour ($8.5 in USD) and you can bet McDonalds isnt paying any more than that. Here an animator will earn around 4x as much as someone at McDonald's so that's the big difference. One of the problems is that in Japan animation is seen as the grunt work of the anime industry and instead of it being a good job in its own right its really only valuable for people to go into if they want to work their way up the ladder to become a director or producer. Miyazaki started out as an in-betweener. You should be able to make a living from a job you have to go to school for. |
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| If the animators want higher pay, the companies will just outsource them. Anime is often just an advertisement for the source manga or light novel anyway; that's where all the real profit comes from. |
Kittens-kun said: inb4 people blame piracy for this... Almost all users would likely resort to this, pretty sure all CR Premium users will likely voice this with confidence in their hearts. P.A. Works is located in Toyama Prefecture and set the pay at the 770 yen minimum wage for the area. Japanese fans have blasted the studio for offering less pay than McDonald’s (980 yen / $8.60 an hour) and convenience stores (920 yen / $8 an hour). I'm pretty sure that Japanese animators knows this although for me this is a shocker. |
| japanese McD is very different than US conterpart TBF... but yeah, it's a not surprising news about low wage in animation industry... |
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