Do you want Feminism in your Anime?
Yes, politics infesting entertainment is a good thing
18.8%
171
No, the Author's vision should be respected
81.2%
740
911 votes
| Lately I've noticed some threads, advocating for politics to be forced into anime, like it has been forced into Western TV, Movies and Games. The particular politics is very toxic, it's modern Feminism, do you want this divisive politics ruining your animes? So when these lunatics try to force their politics on us, we should let them know the anime community disavows Feminism. |
| I mean it doesn't have to be forced into every anime, but if an anime does have politics in it okay? Who cares? Not every anime has to completely ignore reality. Everything we watch really is at least somewhat loosely based on real life Edit: Also the poll is retarded, its extreme to one way or the other |
QansSep 17, 2017 12:14 AM
| i couldn't expect less from NYU watch versailes no bara made in 1979 (the manga even older)... or Oniisama-e (1974) of course i don't talking feminism non sense sjw kind of shit... |
KumaSep 17, 2017 12:25 AM
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| anime is not yet mainstream so its too soon to worry about feminism in anime |
| God I was scared on how cancerous re zero and fate fanbase is and now I have to worry about feminism in the future? No please. Lol |
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| Anime already has politics and already has its kind of feminism. Little do you know that the author's vision is actually already political. You are not the anime community, you disavow feminism. |
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| If it drives out whiny little bitches like you I can't wait for it to happen. |
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Qans said: I mean it doesn't have to be forced into every anime, but if an anime does have politics in it okay? Who cares? Not every anime has to completely ignore reality. Everything we watch really is at least somewhat loosely based on real life Edit: Also the poll is retarded, its extreme to one way or the other Politics infesting entertainment is not the same as ignoring reality. Animes can still be realistic, without being propaganda. Respecting the Author's Vision is extreme. rvbrick said: There's a ton of anime and manga that are feminist without even trying. That's the difference, the kind of feminism shoehorned into a lot of media in the US at the moment is the forced kind. If you're talking about "modern feminism", the type of pseudo-feminism that a certain bunch of wastes of life have succeeded in pushing upon certain things, no, that will never happen in anime/manga, because they don't care about any of that. How can animes be feminist without even trying, equality is not a Feminist trait, it's a Egalitarian trait. The Feminist version of Equality is elevation of women above men. You say modern Feminist will never infect anime, that's what they said about gaming. Kuma said: i couldn't expect less from NYU watch versailes no bara made in 1979... of course i don't talking feminism non sense sjw kind of shit... Feminism has been divisive since it's creation. Back in the late 1800s/ early 1900s, Feminists were campaigning for all women to get the vote, while tens of millions of men didn't even have the vote, they've never been about Equality, just raising the social status of women at the cost of men. spuukiebuugi said: Good god. Can you please stop shoehorning political jargon onto all the unrelated boards? You're an example of politics being forced into entertainment, dude. If you could keep it confined to CE, nazi? Don't ruin AD more than it's already been ruined. I'm not the one pushing politics, it's the Feminists posting threads that "Women are over sexualized in anime" who are pushing politics into Anime Discussion. Don't call me a Nazi, this thread has nothing to do with National Socialist ideals. |
ReaperCreeper said: If it drives out whiny little bitches like you I can't wait for it to happen. How is having a civilised discussion "whining". |
| No because then that will mean less explicit content which could be the death to some of my favourite anime, KonoSuba needs its fan service |
| >Do you want Feminism in your Anime? Yes, the authors should be allowed to discuss and include any political topics they want. "Centaur's Worries" this season is an excellent example. I voted "yes" just to spite you personally. Nyu said: Lately I've noticed some threads, advocating for politics to be forced into anime, like it has been forced into Western TV, Movies and Games. The particular politics is very toxic, it's modern Feminism, do you want this divisive politics ruining your animes? Modern feminism is no more toxic than any other political topic. Just because you've never seen a modern nazi, doesn't mean they are any less toxic than gynophobes. Nyu said: So when these lunatics try to force their politics on us, we should let them know the anime community disavows Feminism. You are the lunatics, Nyu. We like feminism, especially when it means "half-naked ladies kicking ass all around the screen". |
| > Yes, politics infesting entertainment is a good thing Except it just never is.. =__= I like my anime free from all sorts of cancer. Feminism and politics included. |
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Nyu said: Kuma said: i couldn't expect less from NYU watch versailes no bara made in 1979... of course i don't talking feminism non sense sjw kind of shit... Feminism has been divisive since it's creation. Back in the late 1800s/ early 1900s, Feminists were campaigning for all women to get the vote, while tens of millions of men didn't even have the vote, they've never been about Equality, just raising the social status of women at the cost of men. what? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage of course slave and poor people didn't have rights, but it was genderless... also you also influencing your political view to judge animation.. you are no different from them... do you care to watch anim shows i mentioned? nope? |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
flannan said: >Do you want Feminism in your Anime? Yes, the authors should be allowed to discuss and include any political topics they want. "Centaur's Worries" this season is an excellent example. I voted "yes" just to spite you personally. Nyu said: Lately I've noticed some threads, advocating for politics to be forced into anime, like it has been forced into Western TV, Movies and Games. The particular politics is very toxic, it's modern Feminism, do you want this divisive politics ruining your animes? Modern feminism is no more toxic than any other political topic. Just because you've never seen a modern nazi, doesn't mean they are any less toxic than gynophobes. Nyu said: So when these lunatics try to force their politics on us, we should let them know the anime community disavows Feminism. You are the lunatics, Nyu. We like feminism, especially when it means "half-naked ladies kicking ass all around the screen". Feminism does not support "half-naked ladies kicking ass all around the screen". flannan said: I could do some preaching that the authors don't really owe us to work hard. But instead, just take this link, it will help you find stuff that is to your liking: http://animefeminist.com/ I'm sure your favourite modern Feminist site is against the "objectification" of women. |
| It's not that anime disavows feminism, it just so happens that the East gives little fuck about Western sensibilities. |
Nyu said: ReaperCreeper said: If it drives out whiny little bitches like you I can't wait for it to happen. How is having a civilised discussion "whining". To be fair, it is whining when you already assume everyone is on your side in the OP post because it means you're looking for confirmation bias. Especially with how blatantly biased the poll is phrased. It's the equivalent of someone saying "stop saying things I don't like look at all these people who side with me to show how right I am." Not to mention Japan doesn't give a damn about western opinions until they start becoming direct major investors so this is a non-issue that could very easily be ignored but you chose not to thus giving it what I would assume is undeserved attention. |
GamerDLMSep 17, 2017 12:59 AM
Nyu said: Qans said: I mean it doesn't have to be forced into every anime, but if an anime does have politics in it okay? Who cares? Not every anime has to completely ignore reality. Everything we watch really is at least somewhat loosely based on real life Edit: Also the poll is retarded, its extreme to one way or the other Politics infesting entertainment is not the same as ignoring reality. Animes can still be realistic, without being propaganda. Respecting the Author's Vision is extreme. What I meant by extreme is do i think in your words "politics infesting entertainment is a good thing?" No that sounds very extreme and unhealthy. but if a couple shows here or there have it in them or some elements of it then thats fine, i'm not forced to watch it so it shouldn't affect me or anyone else who dislikes/disagrees with, and if a show has it then obviously that IS the authors vision in and of itself. Theres hundreds and thousands of animes out there without feminism or politics so who gives a shit if they make 10 or 20 with it. I'm not disrespecting an authors vision either if i happen to like some elements of feminism in my shows. Besides the whole feminism movement thing is overblown, i feel like the internet makes it seem so much bigger than it actually is, you rarely see that many feminists in everyday life (the crazy over feminist ones). you only see those weird bitches who go on talkshows about it trying to make a couple dollars out of people dumb enough to give it attention and get mad about it and think its everywhere. I swear people care too much about irrelevant things nowadays |
QansSep 17, 2017 1:07 AM
Kuma said: Nyu said: Feminism has been divisive since it's creation. Back in the late 1800s/ early 1900s, Feminists were campaigning for all women to get the vote, while tens of millions of men didn't even have the vote, they've never been about Equality, just raising the social status of women at the cost of men. what? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage of course slave and poor people didn't have rights, but it was genderless... also you also influencing your political view to judge animation.. you are no different from them... do you care to watch anim shows i mentioned? nope? During the late 1800s/ early 1900s some men did have the right to vote, but not all. It was during these times that women started campaigning for the right to vote, but they didn't give a damn about men who didn't have the right to vote, and that's because Feminism isn't about equality, but the advancement of women's social status at the expense of men. And it wasn't slaves or poor people who didn't have the vote, it was the working class and middle class. In Russia, serfdom was a thing, but that was limited to Russia. And while we're talking about this topic, it is limited to the developed world, Western Europe + America, Central Europe and Eastern Europe. Calling out Feminist intervention in anime is not political, as I support anime remaining apolitical. |
Nyu said: flannan said: >Do you want Feminism in your Anime? Yes, the authors should be allowed to discuss and include any political topics they want. "Centaur's Worries" this season is an excellent example. I voted "yes" just to spite you personally. Modern feminism is no more toxic than any other political topic. Just because you've never seen a modern nazi, doesn't mean they are any less toxic than gynophobes. You are the lunatics, Nyu. We like feminism, especially when it means "half-naked ladies kicking ass all around the screen". Feminism does not support "half-naked ladies kicking ass all around the screen". flannan said: I could do some preaching that the authors don't really owe us to work hard. But instead, just take this link, it will help you find stuff that is to your liking: http://animefeminist.com/ I'm sure your favourite modern Feminist site is against the "objectification" of women. Feminism supports ladies kicking ass, I support them being half-naked. Isn't it great? That said, animefeminist.com does have different authors with different opinions. |
flannan said: Nyu said: Feminism does not support "half-naked ladies kicking ass all around the screen". I'm sure your favourite modern Feminist site is against the "objectification" of women. Feminism supports ladies kicking ass, I support them being half-naked. Isn't it great? That said, animefeminist.com does have different authors with different opinions. Feminism supports fictional women, when they wanna kick ass, but if the women are sexual, then they complain. Oh, thee old "different authors with different opinions". |
Nyu said: flannan said: Feminism supports ladies kicking ass, I support them being half-naked. Isn't it great? That said, animefeminist.com does have different authors with different opinions. Feminism supports fictional women, when they wanna kick ass, but if the women are sexual, then they complain. Oh, thee old "different authors with different opinions". Well, I'm not the one trying to talk about a movement of billions of people like it is a single person with one personality. AnimeotakuWeeb said: Nyu said: Feminism supports fictional women, when they wanna kick ass, but if the women are sexual They get super triggered https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/kotaku.com/the-anime-feminist-wants-to-get-real-about-fan-service-1787758182/amp I am pretty sure you misuse the word "triggered". This word is used to describe the way people with PTSD tend to go crazy from random things distantly related to their trauma. People making a website is not a symptom of PTSD. |
flannan said: Nyu said: Feminism supports fictional women, when they wanna kick ass, but if the women are sexual, then they complain. Oh, thee old "different authors with different opinions". Well, I'm not the one trying to talk about a movement of billions of people like it is a single person with one personality. There are not a billion feminists, and Feminist outlets, organizations, countries do happen to represent Feminism, whether you like it or not. With your logic, you could blame all the atrocities of the Nazis on the leaders, not the people who participated in the atrocities. Nah, groups are represented by their representatives, you can't just disassociate yourselves from them if they mess up, or are criticise-able. |
Brb said: It's not that anime disavows feminism, it just so happens that the East gives little fuck about Western sensibilities. exactly, thank you... feminism in the east and west already differrent, yet OP lumped it like one... he doesn't different from west feminist he really loathing... Nyu said: Kuma said: what? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage of course slave and poor people didn't have rights, but it was genderless... also you also influencing your political view to judge animation.. you are no different from them... do you care to watch anim shows i mentioned? nope? During the late 1800s/ early 1900s some men did have the right to vote, but not all. It was during these times that women started campaigning for the right to vote, but they didn't give a damn about men who didn't have the right to vote, and that's because Feminism isn't about equality, but the advancement of women's social status at the expense of men. And it wasn't slaves or poor people who didn't have the vote, it was the working class and middle class. In Russia, serfdom was a thing, but that was limited to Russia. And while we're talking about this topic, it is limited to the developed world, Western Europe + America, Central Europe and Eastern Europe. Calling out Feminist intervention in anime is not political, as I support anime remaining apolitical. again, it was genderless... woman in working class and middle class doesn't have the rights to vote either, and bourjouis feminism doesn't fight for them... every organitation obviously fight for their political nterest for people under them, it's obvious duh... blame them from anything is stupid... that's like blaming the whole conservatice because there is neo-nazi... same shit... also again, you are alreay extreamly political about your anti feminism... and yet talking about "aapolitics"... do you mean in here politics you dislike? HYPOCRITES! |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: Brb said: It's not that anime disavows feminism, it just so happens that the East gives little fuck about Western sensibilities. exactly, thank you... feminism in the east and west already differrent, yet OP lumped it like one... he doesn't different from west feminist he really loathing... Nyu said: During the late 1800s/ early 1900s some men did have the right to vote, but not all. It was during these times that women started campaigning for the right to vote, but they didn't give a damn about men who didn't have the right to vote, and that's because Feminism isn't about equality, but the advancement of women's social status at the expense of men. And it wasn't slaves or poor people who didn't have the vote, it was the working class and middle class. In Russia, serfdom was a thing, but that was limited to Russia. And while we're talking about this topic, it is limited to the developed world, Western Europe + America, Central Europe and Eastern Europe. Calling out Feminist intervention in anime is not political, as I support anime remaining apolitical. again, it was genderless... woman in working class and middle class doesn't have the rights to vote either, and bourjouis feminism doesn't fight for them... every organitation obviously fight for their political nterest for people under them, it's obvious duh... blame them from anything is stupid... that's like blaming the whole conservatice because there is neo-nazi... same shit... also again, you are alreay extreamly political about your anti feminism... and yet talking about "aapolitics"... do you mean in here politics you dislike? HYPOCRITES! So Feminist groups do not represent Feminism, ah, so the Nazis don't represent National Socialists. |
Nyu said: flannan said: Well, I'm not the one trying to talk about a movement of billions of people like it is a single person with one personality. There are not a billion feminists, and Feminist outlets, organizations, countries do happen to represent Feminism, whether you like it or not. With your logic, you could blame all the atrocities of the Nazis on the leaders, not the people who participated in the atrocities. Nah, groups are represented by their representatives, you can't just disassociate yourselves from them if they mess up, or are criticise-able. Nazis were a big group of people. Rommel was fighting a war in Africa, Mengele was doing inhumane experiments, and Hitler was giving speeches. They did not always agree, and some of them were even busy backstabbing each other. After the war, leaders got really bad punishments (I think some of them got shot, and others got sent to prison for a really long time), but most surviving german soldiers were free within a few years. And nobody punished german civilians for what happened, even if they voted Nazi. Not all Nazis were the same. |
Nyu said: Kuma said: exactly, thank you... feminism in the east and west already differrent, yet OP lumped it like one... he doesn't different from west feminist he really loathing... again, it was genderless... woman in working class and middle class doesn't have the rights to vote either, and bourjouis feminism doesn't fight for them... every organitation obviously fight for their political nterest for people under them, it's obvious duh... blame them from anything is stupid... that's like blaming the whole conservatice because there is neo-nazi... same shit... also again, you are alreay extreamly political about your anti feminism... and yet talking about "aapolitics"... do you mean in here politics you dislike? HYPOCRITES! So Feminist groups do not represent Feminism, ah, so the Nazis don't represent National Socialists. feminism support the people behind it... surprise surprise surprise, they are different from one to another... but simply has same name because it's wave movement with same spirit... just like how different communism or socialim or liberalism or capitalism from one country to another... holyshit, how retard are you that even doesn't understand this simply basic common sense? |
KumaSep 17, 2017 1:38 AM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Considering how popular the harem genre is, It's probably gonna take a while before a majority of authors begin thinking from a more feminist viewpoint. |
TheGreatMizuti said: Considering how popular the harem genre is, It's probably gonna take a while before a majority of authors begin thinking from a more feminist viewpoint. lof of woman them self made ecchi harem and will fight their art even it's mean has to confront lot of people.... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
_LapisLazuli said: I'm Asian and I still find it weird that westerners care so much about it. In my country, everyone just live together without a problem. Everyone knows everyone's difference but chooses to ignore it, does not bring it up for attention. Honestly, it's really weird. Why don't you guys just get over it? Accept the difference. And please don't force your culture on us :( Its the feminists who are trying to do that. |
| I'm Asian and I still find it weird that westerners care so much about it. In my country, everyone just live together without a problem. Everyone knows everyone's difference but chooses to ignore it, does not bring it up for attention. Honestly, it's really weird. Why don't you guys just get over it? Accept the difference. And please don't force your culture on us :( |
Nyu said: _LapisLazuli said: I'm Asian and I still find it weird that westerners care so much about it. In my country, everyone just live together without a problem. Everyone knows everyone's difference but chooses to ignore it, does not bring it up for attention. Honestly, it's really weird. Why don't you guys just get over it? Accept the difference. And please don't force your culture on us :( Its the feminists who are trying to do that. you are also like that tho... if asian people want their own feminim view to reach their anime, you also refuse that, showed by you couldn't care less about shows i already given example... again, are you hypocrite? your attitude is no different than people you are looking down... it's just the view that different, in the end, the result is still same... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Thankfully Japan does not give a f*ck about "serious" issues advocated by feminist, such as "sexist air conditioning" (for real). So feel free to enjoy your ecchi. |
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TheGreatMizuti said: Considering how popular the harem genre is, It's probably gonna take a while before a majority of authors begin thinking from a more feminist viewpoint. Just because a show has a harem, doesn't mean it doesn't have a feminist viewpoint. Kodomo no Jikan notably does. |
Nyu said: _LapisLazuli said: I'm Asian and I still find it weird that westerners care so much about it. In my country, everyone just live together without a problem. Everyone knows everyone's difference but chooses to ignore it, does not bring it up for attention. Honestly, it's really weird. Why don't you guys just get over it? Accept the difference. And please don't force your culture on us :( Its the feminists who are trying to do that. So we've got feminists in our community? In this nerdy and geeky community? |
| Tell this to those who support CR, Funi, Netflix and others. |
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Goku3761 said: spuukiebuugi said: Jesus I had no clue what a femdom was I wish I didn't search it up 🤢 Not cool. But with female on female that's what I'd go for as a male viewer.as a submissive girl femdoms fucking disgust me unless it's female on female the fetish what @Ikaros_42oh mention is called pegging, complitely different fetish than femdom but oftenly overlap each other since you need femdom to get pegging... learn your fetish rights... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Why the heck would we bring more cancer in anime? close this thread before the feminazi cucks ignite the flames |
Piromysl said: Thankfully Japan does not give a f*ck about "serious" issues advocated by feminist, such as "sexist air conditioning" (for real). So feel free to enjoy your ecchi. Yay, another argument against the air conditioners I hate so much! Will the comfort technology progress to the point where every cubicle can have its own temperature? _LapisLazuli said: Nyu said: Its the feminists who are trying to do that. So we've got feminists in our community? In this nerdy and geeky community? What is surprising to you? 1) This community isn't nearly nerdy and geeky enough in the first place. Just look at all those normies embarrassed to like anime. 2) There is quite a lot of female anime fans. Something like 30-40% of fans identify as female. Most of them have some degree of feminist outlook. 3) The basic feminist ideas of equality and justice easily appeal to nerds, geeks, and anybody else who was bullied in school. 4) Feminism has greatly affected modern society, and I do not imagine modern western country without many achievements of feminism, like schoolgirls. Unless you are part of some radical organization or cult, you take many of these things for granted too. |
| When I typed my last post here I thought I'd made a pretty good point but the responses I got proved me wrong, so I googled what they said to see if they were right, turns out they were, and I was wrong, because I didn't research what I was saying before saying it, and that's when I realised what was going on here. People! Do your fucking research before you type! Feminism isn't about excluding men from society as Nyu seems to think. Google it or better yet, ask any sensible campaigning feminist and they'll happily and painlessly prove you wrong, as three people did a few minutes ago when I wrote something stupid. |
| @Nyu Feminism is already in anime. 18if https://myanimelist.net/anime/35248/18if is more feminist than any western show since every episode it focuses on social problems women go through like eating disorders, rejection, mean girl bullying etc. |
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| What if the author's vision is political? The poll options represent a false dichotomy. I don't think every anime should explore political themes but it would be cool if a few more at least tried to. |
| Same threads pop up too much on MAL... |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
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