| Why do people love to say oxymorons like these? The quality of an anime is directly connected to your experience with it. If you indeed LOVED an anime, that means that such anime had lots of positive points, and if something has, indeed, lots of positive points, it can be average, but it can't "suck". Same goes for the other one: If it is incredible, why did you hate it? Because it had lots of flaws, and if something has lot's of flaws, it can be average, but it can't be incredible. If you don't agree with a praise/hate an anime gets, why do you support such praise/hate? Because most people have this opinion? Because "specialists" say it is? |
| I've heard from a guy that he says this because he rates anime "objectively" and that he can hate it but still give it a good score because it was "objectively good". Makes no sense to me. |
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| There's always the case of 'so bad it's good'. |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| So bad it's good exists for the former. And you can still enjoy flawed anime. As for the latter, it can be a lot of things. For instance, I know that HxH 2011 is an upgrade from the original, but I hate how edgy it is. There can be plenty of examples. Simply put quality does not equal enjoyment. |
| Of course cases like this are possible. For instance, I have a friend who genuinely disliked ´sword of a stranger´, because the fight scenes were not to his liking. He was more into stuff with ninja magic, like Naruto and such. Does that mean that SoaS´s fight animation was bad? No. And yes, it´sgood because specialists say it. Suck it up |
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| The whole idea that quality is directly related to enjoyment is a huge misconception. Everyone has different tastes/preferences, and some people can easily ignore certain flaws if that show caters towards their 'tastes'. For example, many people here on MAL will openly point out the many flaws in SAO, yet still admit that they enjoyed watching it. The same is true for the opposite, where someone can see a show as excellent in quality, however not like it as much as another due to it's themes/genre or other things which do not affect the shows quality objectively. Though, I can't really think of an example for this so it might be rare. Also, people can try to rate shows objectively, however there is no way that they are not affected by enjoyment to some degree. |
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| I mean like I recognize the high quality of an anime like Ping-Pong The Animation. Though it just didn't do it for me like it has for others. |
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| yea probably just the whole "so bad its good" thing... but if i like an anime, i don't call it bad, so fuck that |
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| Happens to me all the time. I do like most of the so called "top Anime", but i don't enjoy them as much as the things most fans tend to look down at (or pretend to). To be a little more specific: I did like Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso, but i didn't enjoy it as much as Nagi no Asukara (i really love this one, and i come back to it from time to time). Same thing with Fate/Zero, i do like it. Specially fight scenes, but i didn't enjoy it as much as Fate/Loli. As someone stated earlier in this thread: "quality does not equal enjoyment" |
| This sounds like a riddle. "I love this anime but it sucks" Some ecchi anime are like this. It's fun to watch but deep inside, overall it sucks. To Love Ru is my best example. "This anime is incredible but i hate it" For me, these are the overrated anime. Huge MAL avg rating but when you watched, you feel like meh this is like very ordinary to me. Erased, Re-Zero, Angel Beats, or Steins Gate are among my example. Don't get me wrong, these anime are good, but the avg rating definitely (for me) is too high. |
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thewiru said: Why do people love to say oxymorons like these? The quality of an anime is directly connected to your experience with it. If you indeed LOVED an anime, that means that such anime had lots of positive points, and if something has, indeed, lots of positive points, it can be average, but it can't "suck". Same goes for the other one: If it is incredible, why did you hate it? Because it had lots of flaws, and if something has lot's of flaws, it can be average, but it can't be incredible. If you don't agree with a praise/hate an anime gets, why do you support such praise/hate? Because most people have this opinion? Because "specialists" say it is? No, simply because of there's a certain trope you hate and will always hate no matter how it was being played on the show. For example, I hate JJBA part 1 due to the protag being retarded hero |
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| I love Garzeys Wing. It's the worst thing I've ever seen and it fucks up so badly, so often that I'm in literal pain from laughter after 10 minutes. None of it is intentional and it's not a comedy but it's still some of the funniest shit I've ever seen. "I love it because it's shit" if you will. Explain how this is an oxymoron. For another example, Iron Virgin Jun (could be wrong on the name) was an absolute clusterfuck of batshit insanity that either didn't make sense or was incredibly stupid. It was by no means good, the writing and art were both trash but it had charm. Made me laugh at how ridiculous it was though. Great time and I loved it. Get your head out of your arse and you'll realise that you aren't the sole arbiter of truth or quality in this universe. Just because you like something it doesn't automatically make it good. In fact, there's probably a lot you like that's utter trash, but I haven't looked and I don't need to. Just because you dislike something doesn't mean it's objectively bad for everyone. It's just that some people see the difference. |
| Nope, we all have our own logic so to speak even if it sounds necessarily wrong. Like for example, I hated Season 2 of Tokyo Ghoul cause it was a shit adaptation but I still gave it a high score cause I thoroughly enjoyed what I watched. Thing being is that I wish it was a better adaptation. I can recognize that I like something that I'm not fond of at the same time. |
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| i always equate this phenomenon to being cucked. some people just like being cucked. it's sad and pathetic, and also pretty messed up, but hey that's just life i personally just can't. if you shit on something i like, fuck you. i don't give a crap about how relevant you consider your opinion. |
"I came here to sniff Madoka panties and kick witch ass and I am all out 'doka panties" - Homora Akemi |
| Usually this is because their favorite character died in a great anime or it's really sad in general but really powerful at the same time to where they both love and hate it. |
Once you realize that what others think about what you enjoy doesn't matter, you will finally be free |
| Denying the fact that they referring so called masterpiece isn't even that good >Such Autistic Opinion |
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| People are trying to save their appearance with doing that, because they are too ashamed to admit that they genuinely think it was a good or a bad show, due to opinions of other people which are worth more in their eyes than their own. That's what I call not having confidence in his own taste. |
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| >implying I can't enjoy shit Stahp ni🅱️🅱️a |
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| "So bad is good" isn't doing, unless you're talking about the "thrash" genre (Senran Kagura or Jumanji 2). This phrase, in an anime that is supposed to be taken seriously... doesn't make much sense. Like i said, if you liked it, there are reason for it, and if there are reasons, i did not suck, the same applies the other way... Unless you use a rating system like Digibro's, and even so, he himself gave low scores to Ergo Proxy because he thought it sucked a lot. Sorry, i just can't respect a stance of: "Hey i think this anime is good/bad and i have plenty of reasons to justify that, oh, the general consensus is the opposite of mine, oh well, their arguments must be the right ones and mine are probably just my opinion, oh well." |
| "So bad that it is good" actually make sense. You can after all enjoy cheap entertainment. As for the other one, I'm not so sure. It probably depends on what a particular individual hates. If any anime is boring enough or has a flaw big enough to make me hate it, I question how "incredible" it can be. |
| I'm not a lolicon, you're just projecting your tendency to lewd 2D characters. If your favourite character is Tsutsukakushi Tsukiko, you are my soul mate. Been a long time since I've been here, I'll continue expressing myself freely and believe everyone should too. My MAL Interview |
BurningSpirit said: "So bad that it is good" actually make sense. You can after all enjoy cheap entertainment. As for the other one, I'm not so sure. It probably depends on what a particular individual hates. If any anime is boring enough or has a flaw big enough to make me hate it, I question how "incredible" it can be. "This anime is incredible, but I hate it" is a result of having a false sense of objectivity constructed by millions of people yelling at the top of their lungs "Miyazaki is the greatest anime director!". If you think an anime is "incredible", but don't like it at all, it's not incredible to you even if it's incredible to other people. The closest I can relate to this is with Patlabor 2, a very well directed, well written film. Its individual qualities are all quite good, but I spent half the movie trying to stay awake. Of course, I wouldn't go so far to say it's incredible despite this, nor would I say I hated it. It just wasn't my type of movie. That can apply to a lot of things, but in no case would an anime be "incredible" to someone who didn't like it. That is your answer, to the other one. quote from @rvbrick I agree with this statement. subconsciously, people are being influence without even realising it. Akira is a popular one people praise, but say that they didn't enjoy it/like. |
| There is nothing wrong with admitting a series is awful if given proof of the matter I remember when watching this review I agreed with everything except maybe one thing. I know Code Geass isn't a master piece but hey look I still have both seasons ranked as 10s   Because I found value in other things beyond the facts and criticism and can say yeah the show is awful when it comes to this but from my experience it gave me this and this so its a 9 or a 10 for me but I totally understand where you're coming from in thinking its a bad show. We all value different things in life so a show can be good for several reasons for some while it can be dog shit for several different reasons for others. |
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| That's just what happens when an anime has only one, or just a few redeeming attributes. |
| Be thankful for the wisdom granted to you. |
keragamming said: "This anime is incredible, but I hate it" is a result of having a false sense of objectivity constructed by millions of people yelling at the top of their lungs "Miyazaki is the greatest anime director!". If you think an anime is "incredible", but don't like it at all, it's not incredible to you even if it's incredible to other people. The closest I can relate to this is with Patlabor 2, a very well directed, well written film. Its individual qualities are all quite good, but I spent half the movie trying to stay awake. Of course, I wouldn't go so far to say it's incredible despite this, nor would I say I hated it. It just wasn't my type of movie. That can apply to a lot of things, but in no case would an anime be "incredible" to someone who didn't like it. That is your answer, to the other one. quote from @rvbrick I agree with this statement. subconsciously, people are being influence without even realising it. Akira is a popular one people praise, but say that they didn't enjoy it/like. I generally try to keep myself from being influenced. I'll come out and say I didn't like a series if I didn't, it might not mean that I hate the series necessarily but just indifferent towards it. In fact, most anime fall into the "I'm indifferent towards it" category, but most people only like to describe their feelings in the most exaggerated fashion ever, with "awsome" and "terrible" with nothing really in between. I feel a lot of people say "It is incredible but I didn't enjoy it" are people who in reality cannot appreciate that show, but feel the need to come up with an excuse to not get flamed by those who set the "objective standard". |
| I'm not a lolicon, you're just projecting your tendency to lewd 2D characters. If your favourite character is Tsutsukakushi Tsukiko, you are my soul mate. Been a long time since I've been here, I'll continue expressing myself freely and believe everyone should too. My MAL Interview |
Brb said: So bad it's good exists for the former. And you can still enjoy flawed anime. As for the latter, it can be a lot of things. For instance, I know that HxH 2011 is an upgrade from the original, but I hate how edgy it is. There can be plenty of examples. Simply put quality does not equal enjoyment. What is quality? Who defines quality? You? or a person you look up to? Or the majority? Answer me that question. I and many agree with the so bad its good argument, I don't know why this is still being brought up, but for the latter that seems to be the tricky one. Every anime has flaws, but if the positive of a series out weigh the negative, then that person would enjoy that series more than they dislike it, no? Light- said: The whole idea that quality is directly related to enjoyment is a huge misconception. Everyone has different tastes/preferences, and some people can easily ignore certain flaws if that certain something caters towards their 'tastes'. For example, many people here on MAL will openly point out the many flaws in SAO, yet still admit that they enjoyed watching it. The same is true for the opposite, where someone can see a show as excellent in quality, however not like it as much as another due to it's themes/genre or other things which do not affect the shows quality objectively. Though, I can't really think of an example for this so it might be rare. Also, people can try to rate shows objectively, however there is no way that they are not affected by enjoyment to some degree. It simple means those many tiny flaws weren't big enough flaws to affect their enjoyment. You know why I said tiny flaws? because that is what it is, these millions of flaws obviously aren't bad enough to affect their enjoyment. For the people that didn't enjoy sao, those flaws were too big for them to enjoy the series. Basically some flaws are minor to some, while others will find those flaws a major hindrance to their enjoyment. And how many of those flaws are actually flaws? And are those flaws debatable? I'm sure there is actually a small percentage of objective flaws out of the millions of flaws people point out in the series, the truth is, most flaws that people point out is base off their preference and how they think such and such should be handled. Objectivity in anime is only a small percentage, and most of it will be interpreted differently, since we all are not program to think the same and that is where subjective comes from. I will ask you the same question. What is quality? Who defines quality? You? or a person you look up to? Or the majority? Answer me that question. @Deknijff it just means those flaws for code geass, are minor flaws for you, since it didn't affect your enjoyment too much or at all. Think about it, do you think this youtuber would go out of his way to hate the series if actually had enjoyed it? And if he does, he would not have such a hateful tone, and he would have took this at a more peaceful approach. He didn't enjoy the series, because for him those flaws were huge. @BurningSpirit I agree fully with this statement. |
keragammingJul 15, 2017 10:23 PM
keragamming said: yes I'm very much aware of this which is why I said this at the end@Deknijff it just means those flaws for code geass, are minor flaws for you, since it didn't affect your enjoyment too much or at all. Think about it, do you think this youtuber would go out of his way to hate the series if actually had enjoyed it? And if he does, he would not have such a hateful tone, and he would have took this at a more peaceful approach. He didn't enjoy the series, because for him those flaws were huge. Deknijff said: We all value different things in life so a show can be good for several reasons for some while it can be dog shit for several different reasons for others. |
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| Sometimes I can't understand, I'm just so complicated. Can do you get who man me? |
| Well, I kind of agree with you. If it is enjoyable then it is not terrible I guess. But anime can have flaws and still be enjoyable, most people just exagerate that. |
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Ericonator said: I've heard from a guy that he says this because he rates anime "objectively" and that he can hate it but still give it a good score because it was "objectively good". Makes no sense to me. You can still dislike a story with depth, nuance and concurrent plot-lines that intersect into a greater plot. Just because something is a classic doesn't mean you will enjoy it. There are games that I am well aware have great level design, amazing plot-lines and a well rounded combat system that I don't like simply because of the genre. The point being, not all good stories suite the tastes of the readers. And quite frankly if you can get someone who doesn't like your story to admit it's well written, you have done a fantastic job as a writer and artist. |
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| "I love this anime but it sucks"/ "This anime is incredible but i hate it" i actually don't see anything wrong with this statement. Like it comes back to your own taste. Like you saw this anime rated so trash by most people then u just simply like it because you know , its your taste |
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| At the risk of sounding like an asshole, I've never really liked the idea of saying "it sucks but I like it." There's stuff that I don't like even about my most favorite series, but I'm not going to go around ragging on them and calling them shit just because it's far from unpopular to do so with many of them and just because they don't live up to everybody else's standards of quality. If something doesn't bother me I'm not going to fucking cede it as a "flaw," and I don't know why people are so hell-bent on trying to force people's hands and make them say "You have to admit its flaws - which are these things I came up with and may have been of no issue to you - even if they weren't anything resembling a problem to you nor were they something you'd consider a flaw, or else we're going to brand you a blind fanboy who refuses to listen to reason." Fuck off with that. Take your proposed flaws and jam them so far up your ass that it pierces through the digestive system and comes out through your mouth on the other end. I'm not going to cede flaws with something whenever they're ones I didn't take with it and fuck whoever would be putting that kind of pressure on me to try and either make me some kind of pariah or branding me with a negative label just because I'm not going to force myself to agree with their idea of quality. I hate that. I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate that. In many cases it's just trying to leverage pressure against somebody to force them to agree with you. Nothing wrong with taking some issues with any given series and it doesn't make anybody like it less - I'll bitch about the melodramatic parts of Haganai and talk about how I wished it had just stayed a straight up comedy through and through rather than trying to get more serious and tell a more defined story, and mock the ending in the LNs as much as I please, yet it's still my #1 favorite series - but it's schizophrenic how much people shit themselves about subjectivity on this site and yet we're going to be trying to act like ceding flaws is a good thing that people should always do. If they took issue with it, yeah, but I'm not going to call something shit that I really liked just because there's popular issues to be had with it and plenty of common criticisms to be had towards it. If those criticisms are stuff that don't apply/doesn't bother me I'm not going to make myself act like it mattered to me. Basically my view of the idea of "I dislike this series but it's great/I like this series but it's shit" is incredibly jaded and spiteful and I'm better off distancing myself from it whenever it pops up, yet here I am. |
ManabanJul 16, 2017 2:38 AM
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| This is stupid I will never hate something I enjoyed |
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-Ouro- said: one should never feel guilty of liking something though So basically, a guilty pleasure. |
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-Ouro- said: Deknijff said: one should never feel guilty of liking something though While you're correct, by the same token there is some hesitance for some people if they like something which is not liked as a whole, hence the term guilty pleasure. Then that's something they should fix themselves. Stop giving a fuck that it's not liked on the whole and just do them and try to express how they felt about something themselves to the best of their ability Again, no need to feel guilty for liking something Hate that term too, no good reason for it to exist Lots of things I hate today ._. |
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-Ouro- said: Well I would feel bad for them if they felt guilty just for liking a show and are hesitant/afraid of those that hate it Deknijff said: While you're correct, by the same token there is some hesitance for some people if they like something which is not liked as a whole, hence the term guilty pleasure. one should never feel guilty of liking something though I would tell them to man up and just like what they like without feeling guilty |
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| Conformism OP. That's your answer. |
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