What's wrong with this show? Everywhere i look i just see hate about it.

Skittles said:
Probably because the second half of elements that you mentioned are what lots of people hate.

Zephaas said:
What Skittles said.
You may like it for those things, but others may not.

Nevalopo said:


So about the fanservice? Because it has a bit of fanservice people don't enjoy it? There are maaaaaaany more shows that are all about fanservice and they don't seem to recieve as much hate as Eromanga-Sensei so that can't be it.
Is it because it's not a copy of the other regular siscon shows? I still don't really get whats specifically bad about it. :/

Zephaas said:

Some people really don't like implied incest and fan-service. Honestly I don't even like that stuff I just had to finish the show.

Nevalopo said:
Fun
Well animated
Well directed
Great character designs
Adorable imouto
Good fanservice, not too much nor too little
Twists the average siscon harem plot into something amusing to watch
Great fanart incoming ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


Is it because SJW's wants to remain "im a good boy" in the public eye? It's all i can think of

Lordwen said:
Boring af
"Animated" when whole episodes take inside a room with almost all static images
Terribly directed
Average character designs
Awkward hikikomori who is supposed to be the goddess of attraction for some reason
Specially when it's made of impossible angles and some unimpressive voyeuristic shots



There you go. If your interest is in the doujinshi you don't even need to watch this outrage in the first place.

Nevalopo said:



Just like a little kid who says the opposite of someone else. If you thought it was so boring why did you keep watching it. And if that's the case for everyones hate of it that it was "boring af" why not just drop the show? Maybe it's not to your liking no need to hate on it. If I don't enjoy a show i just drop it.

Vhailor said:
Most of the people hating on the show aren't even the target audience in the first place. It's like a vegan walking into a steakhouse and yelling at the manager because there is too much meat on the menu(no euphemism intended).

The show isn't meant for you. If you hate it so much, then just move along and watch something that caters to your taste.

Reikuo said:

Their opinions are literally invalid lol. Nobody cares what some clown who hates the concept thinks about the show. Reminds me of the people who always bitch about how wrestling/WWE is fake meanwhile its been on the air for decades and the fans of the WWE love the content. The only ones not having any fun are the haters... Sad

Jonouchi-Katsuya said:


I was watching for Imouto and incest. Not good enough. 1/10. Love Tyrant though did give me enough of what I wanted. But it wasn't even a show that I went in thinking it would.

Reikuo said:

Looks to me like you went in expecting stupid shit and did not get it, so you settled for something else.

Jonouchi-Katsuya said:
Well it isn't as if I wasn't the intended audience. I did like season 1 of Oreimo, but this felt like the betrayal of season 2 of Oreimo all over again. lol.

Darek said:
Mostly moral fags, screaming "muh incest" or "muh lolis and pedo-bait" and people jumping on a bandwagon just like it was with SAO and the such.

CodeBlazeFate said:
Also, check our Digibro and BestGuy Ever in their Eromanga-Sensei Evedy Week series for more on why this show is poorly animated and badly written.

CodeBlazeFate said:

Keep in mind, all of this was from the first episode alone and I heard this show just gets worse.
So yeah, these are some reasons why we hate this god awful show, OP.

Also, check our Digibro and BestGuy Ever in their Eromanga-Sensei Evedy Week series for more on why this show is poorly animated and badly written.

•This show feels artificial about its grotesque loli fetish pandering, as if it's not even catering to its audience in a genuine manner

•The character designs are horrible

•The premise about Saigiri being a NEET is so badly executed that it borders on superhuman fantasy

•Saigiri is nothing more than a Frankenstein of 3 awful character tropes played viciously straight: Imouto, Loli, Tsundere, and that is the full extent of her personality from what I've seen

•The way they go about being meta is so fake and obnoxious

•Animation is choppy

•Mediocre OP and ED

Reikuo said:

So you come in using massive amounts of bluster and bombastic words with a nasty tone to make not 1 single valid criticism because apparently you had been unable to extract one. Then you recommend a podcast longer then the series itself with the worlds pastiest ass grown man sitting on his friends raw mattress picking his feet and crying about anime. Wow.



Asinine in every sense, blu-ray sales will prove this statement to be full blown lunacy in a few days.

As subjective as it gets, and about as stale and low energy too. Clearly your in no position to be speaking about this shows "audience".

Seems executed just fine to me, what did you expect?

Subjective whether any of that is even a negative, imouto and loli are not personality traits...

Not up to date enough on whatever backwater forum people cry on that spawned this retarded lingo.

Its not the best, far from the worse. For A-1 I dont see anything out of the ordinary.

Total bullshit. Views, sales, and community reception are all highly positive for the OP and ED.

If you have to come in and insult character designs, the opening and ending, animation, "meta", and then speak for some magic group of people the "Audience" to give your worthless generic claims some sort of false sense of force behind them its because your in the wrong. You came here and did not list 1 single criticism other then an extremely ambiguous statement about Sagiri being a NEET.

Just seems to me your insulting the theme and concept rather then tackling whether or not this show is a good entry into the genre. Any brain dead jackass could come up with your list of complaints, they are all based on visuals, it reeks of low energy and may be the most ingenuine post I have seen on this show.

It's funny how you say I'm coming in with insanely harsh and toxic words when your tone and diction show that you're worse than me in this regard. Yes, some of these are very valid criticisms. Mediocre animation and bad characters, and bad execution of ideas are legitimate criticisms. Also, these guys actually have humor, and genuine human reactions, and are, at least to me and most people who watch either of their videos, much more entertaining and fulfilling than this show. Besides, it's a good way to get the gist of why this show sucks if you don't wanna watch the show or if you dropped it. Also, they stay fairly normal in terms of reaction and volume for most part in this series of videos, so that's proof that you didn't even watch them and are just having a knee-jerk reaction, unless you did in which you still had that reaction.

Your argument is complete bullshit. Blu-ray sales mean absolutely nothing in this case. If a show feels artificial in how it handles things, people like me will notice, and believe me, we have. Two friends of mine who like this kind of show found it to not even be good, and found it ingenuine, and I feel the same way, as if it's pandering for the sake of it to other niches outside of its main one, bogging down its purpose of appealing to people who like lolis and incest.

As if I am speaking about the audience. I simply hate the character designs, and when did I bring up audience in this regard. I'm speaking for the people who hate this show, not the target audience of the show, you loon.

A messy room, bad personal hygene, paranoia, stuff that makes NEETs NEETs according to NEETs themselves and friends of NEETs. This isn't even really played for comedic value either.

No, it really isn't, at least not as much as you wish. It's a negative when a character is nothing more than multiple token characters wrapped up into one. She is the typical shy little sister combined with the typical tsundere you'd see in a harem anime combined with the fact that she is also a loli. Maybe some people inherently like trope characters, but in terms of actual narrative, it's bad.

Wtf are you even on about? The way this show goes about being meta abot light novels is obnoxious, especially the moment where Saigiri does her usual tsundere "Baka Baka Baka" stunt and tries to insult the main character (of this light nice adaptation) a Light Novel Protagonist. Tell me that isn't so on the nose to the point where you could easily see genre savvy people finding this groan-inducing.

SAO's animation isn't this choppy. SAO II looked even better. ERASED looked wonderful. The Asterisk War looked ok but it's animation wasn't this choppy, and it's second season looked even better. Your Lie In April looks way better. These shows came out 1-5 years ago, so this has no excuse looking so mediocre by comparison, even if it doesn't really look flat out terrible.

For once, coming at me with the "subjective" argument might've actually made you seem like you knew what you were talking about since in fairness, it is subjective that I don't like the OP or ED. Sales don't even matter in this context either, since most OPs and EDs (especially those used in popular anime) sell well.

So no. It wasn't just baseless and generic complaints. They weren't all that expanded upon, but here you go. You actually inserted things when they weren't there, like about audiences and sales, thinking that brining up irrelevant shit was bound to prove me wrong. I listed reasons why some people hate this show, including myself. Sure, it would be even better if someone who finished the show listed a mountain of reasons to give the ultimate smack down to OP and his thread, but hey, this is still something. Don't even try to say I was just insulting the premise or concept of the show rather than the show itself given how I brought up animation, execution of concept, and other things that wouldn't remotely apply to the concept of the show. If my post is the most ingenuine, then yours is the most knee-jerk and useless, or at least the 2nd worst in those regards, right behind OP's.

Reikuo said:
@CodeBlazeFate


You got a taste of your own medicine and clearly did not like it. Those criticisms are so generic and bare bones... Any loser can spend as much time as you have on an anime board crying about bad animation to which you have already grossly exaggerate what little that statement did hold into pointless incoherent babbling. The animation is nowhere near bad enough to spend as much time talking about as you have.All I know about Digi is that his content is quite bitchy, overly moody, and negative across the board. Then the rest of your outburst is regurgitating talking points and over the top complaints they whined about in their podcast. Considering you have only seen 1 episode as you said yourself yet you find this podcast more fulfilling then the entire show. "super human fantasy"



This just sounds like generic headcannon to me, this is clearly someone who is too deep into the cult of Digibro the pale dipshit. Maybe stop watching a show figuring out what label to slap onto every scene and just fucking watch it? Again you try and call in reinforcements, "Two friends" Im not talking to your friends im talking to your dumbass, speak for yourself. Regardless if your going to say " bogging down its purpose of appealing to people who like lolis and incest." Then im pretty sure sales figures, the only numbers we have, are a great way to measure the success of this shows pandering to these audiences. Just because your mislabeling the show does not mean they are unsuccessful in extracting sales out of their target audience. Again prepare to be proven flat out wrong in a few days.

I have honestly never heard this critique but since you seem to know the in and outs of what everyone hates about this show since you have invested so much time into finding out even though you have seen 1 episode, sure have one.


So your mad that Sagiri is not your generic trope of a NEET yet complain when she fits other tropes like tsundere? Alright.


This one is fair, I think there is more to her then that but there is some subjectivity involved that does not need argued further. Clearly your looking to see the worst case when possible.

The baka's did not make me laugh but I did at the " Light Novel Protagonist" though I have not seen that joke before, I dont spend all day gorging anime. It worked for me and im not sure obnoxious really gets the point across. We get it you have seen the joke before.


I just dont see this one, I rarely see people complain about it either but there was animation inconsistencies between episodes for sure, I thought the animation was great and my viewing experience was not negatively impacted. Interesting you know so much about the entire shows animation quality for only having seen 1 episode and a few gifs or clips online giving you the benefit of the doubt.

You called them mediocre, they dont have mediocre anything. You dont like numbers when they dont suit you I imagine, you think people just pick up any old song thats in an anime OP, thats really your argument? Come on, you was short on criticisms and this one was just bouncing off the walls stupid. Your really on thin ice if you have to say the OP and ED was bad just to come up with ammunition for your hit piece.


Regurgitating what you hear other people say is as ingenuine as it gets and its just that simple. Do you do this for every single show, or did Digis podcast inspire you to be an ass? You picked out this for for whatever reason, came to share a cruddy opinion shitting on the visuals of episode 1 and offering nothing else cept shit you heard online. Your entitled to not like the show fine, but if your going to come and cry about it with such a nasty tone when you only saw one episode dont be surprised when someone comes along forcing you to react with better standards.

Reikuo said:
You called them mediocre, they dont have mediocre anything. You dont like numbers when they dont suit you I imagine, you think people just pick up any old song thats in an anime OP, thats really your argument? Come on, you was short on criticisms and this one was just bouncing off the walls stupid. Your really on thin ice if you have to say the OP and ED was bad just to come up with ammunition for your hit piece.

CodeBlazeFate said:
If I said that they were bad, your point would've largely remained the same given that you used numbers to refute a subjective point that could've been refuted by you actually saying that it was subjective and not that strong a criticism. Numbers are irrelevant to this situation. I find the tracks mediocre, not a real pain to listen to but not a joy to the ears either.

For your question, about neither! If I regurgitate people's points, that means that I was late to the party and made points that coincidentally sided with the consensus', and it wasn't Digi that made me come to this thread to explain a bit about why I (and others) hate this show, it was this thread with choice lines that were very accusatory. You want to talk about being an ass?! You just casted a boulder at my glass house, if you get what I'm getting at hypocrisy. You found my borderline neutral tone nasty, look at how you handled it by upping the ante in terms of angry tone, as if figuring regular candle fire with flaming dragon breath makes it right to antagonize my tone, especially since you'd tarred with this tone and I had to escalate to match it. Also, you really take offense to me answering the OP's question with problems that I have that just so happen to be what many people who hate this show think, don't you? I bet if I went to this thread and said "I didn't like the animation or Saigiri as a character, and I really didn't like the humor", you'd still accuse me of making inflammatory and regurgitated comments with words laced in venom, wouldn't you? It's not much more neutral than the tone I took with my initial post.

Also, why did you @ me when you were basically gonna quote my posts anyway? Just edit out the post you made her I reacted to and call r a day.

CodeBlazeFate said:
@Reikuo Basiclalu, none of this wouldn't have happened if I didn't do exactly as OP asked (say why I and some others hate it since he didn't understand why we do)? That's...strange.

Some of these points I originally made were admittedly not as concensus-based for me as other pinned and I probably should have made that aspect more clear, though that, again, doesn't really validate the statistics you bring up to try to disprove that argument. Honestly, I rather blatantly claimed the exact opposite about my original post: that it was pretty mild, basically quick listing without putting much of my emotions into it, basically that I held back my hatred for what little of the anime I watched before dropping it all together.

Going as far as to basically call these post and people who post them as SJWs is pretty accusatory and asinine, partially since SJWs never actually cared about this topic whatsoever (as of now at least) and I still stand by my post being barely below neutral, though I'll happily take knowing that even with these follow-ups it didn't get too or of hand (even on my part, which is strange since I'm usually the one that gets too angry after a while).

CodeBlazeFate said:
•This show feels artificial about its grotesque loli fetish pandering, as if it's not even catering to its audience in a genuine manner
•The character designs are horrible
•The premise about Saigiri being a NEET is so badly executed that it borders on superhuman fantasy
•Saigiri is nothing more than a Frankenstein of 3 awful character tropes played viciously straight: Imouto, Loli, Tsundere, and that is the full extent of her personality from what I've seen
•The way they go about being meta is so fake and obnoxious
•Animation is choppy
•Mediocre OP and ED

Keep in mind, all of this was from the first episode alone and I heard this show just gets worse.
So yeah, these are some reasons why we hate this god awful show, OP.

Also, check our Digibro and BestGuy Ever in their Eromanga-Sensei Evedy Week series for more on why this show is poorly animated and badly written.

myiasis said:
•Mediocre OP and ED

•The character designs are horrible

This is subjective, but if the character design is considered "horrible", it's either you lack aesthetic sense or an elitist. Care to show an example of what's considered "not horrible" character design? Character design is average or above average at most.

•The premise about Saigiri being a NEET is so badly executed that it borders on superhuman fantasy

I'm not sure why it's badly executed. :o
I only see it as, a young girl scared of talking to people. Again, here feels like, haters are being elitist, judging a genre they "hate".

•Saigiri is nothing more than a Frankenstein of 3 awful character tropes played viciously straight: Imouto, Loli, Tsundere, and that is the full extent of her personality from what I've seen

You saw one episode. And you think having a mixture of stereotypes are horrible. So it's the opposite of the hated bland character. Elitist aren't really satisfied.

•Animation is choppy
Average. but not horrible. Again, you are being an elitist. I'm pretty sure we have seen far "horrible" animation.

•Mediocre OP and ED
...facepalm, seriously? Just how high are your standards.

I'm not sure what people were expecting from the show, I read the LN and I got what I generally expected.

There was no need to invent reasons why people hated the show.
It was not horrible, they just hated it.

It was an ecchi, rom-com, incest(implied), light story.
And it delivered as promised.

People hate it because it was too fan-service, voyeuristic... etc..
One look at the genre and they should have expected those.

This is like people hating a horror show because it was too scary.

CodeBlazeFate said:
Dude, your only argument is "elitist". You obviously can't argue for shit, and boy are you so butthurt.

I hate the character designs. It's the combination of the generic LN default designs with hair I don't like looking at, and in the case of Izumi, a really fat face. I don't like looking at these designs at all.

They play it straight but still don't do it right. Room is way to clean for someone who basically lives in her room 24/7, hygiene is way to good for someone who lives in her room 24/7, no actual paranoia. All of these are real effects being a NEET has on that person, so to see that absent is jarring. Also, can you stop saying "oh, filthy elitist being elitist and jusgy because elitism"? How about actually providing a decent argument, or leave it to someone who can.

She is literally multiple bland characters rolled up into one irritating package as far as I saw, and I cannot stand a tsundere who is literally nothing more than the base fork of her trope (or worse, a vicious version of one), and combining the typical shy inouto into the mix, yeah, a character should not just be a trope or mix it dropped as her only defining character. It's not even remotely elitist to think that. Maybe some people don't mind, but as someone who has seen these characters anglld few times over, variation is appreciated.

For 2017 standards, even 2017 A1 Pictures standards, this animation is really mediocre. SAO and SAO II was never this choppy in terms of animation. Neither were ERASED, Your Lie In April, or either season of The Asterisk War, and these came 1-5 years prior to this show, so of course I'd expect better. Not amazing animation, but for it to be this choppy is off-putting. No elitism here, dude.

FFS dude, it's called an [b]opinion about a song![/s] I simply don't care for the OP or ED. Standards matter not to musical taste you butthurt loon.

Dude, there are so many legit reasons to hate this show aside from the fact that they won't fold loli incest appealing. Mediocre animation, bad characters, and other aspects of the show I've heard dropped the ball in terms of pacing and whatnot. We're not creating reasons out of nowhere just to be assholes, we see problems in the show itself, even taking away the sexualization of 12 year olds and the incest-non-incest relationship.

myiasis said:


Actually if you read my comment it was a perfectly logical analysis of the argument.

> You hate the character designs. Okay we get that. But to call the design horrible is pushing it. THAT is why I'm saying you either have no aesthetics or some messed up high standards. It is above average at most. I don't think that was hard to understand.
Tell me what's a good character design then, if you think this character design doesn't qualify as good.


> Too clean room/ not enough NEETs. Well, that is because the LN is SUPPOSED to be a light hearted take. It was just a plot device for the Loli-incest. It was supposed to be like that. Genre: Comedy, Ecchi. NOT Slice of life. I don't rate a horror show for having UNREALISTIC and being UNROMANTIC... etc.
You get my point? You rate a horror show for how scary it is. And this is from a LIGHT NOVEL, it was supposed to be LIGHT HEARTED Story. You judge on how much LIGHT HEARTED it is. Not for being a slice of life or unrealistic.

>Hate this show. AND THAT IS FINE. People can hate the show for hating the genre. Just like some people hate Horror movie because they can't take it. You are fine to hate it. But calling it horrible based on its own genre is uncalled for. It's like a horror-hater saying the zombie make up was too fleshy and bloody, so the show is horrible. This show was meant to be cute, ecchi, light hearted. People are supposed to judge it based on its genre.

It was supposed to be all about sexualizing a 12 y/o (your word). And it delivered. And it's fine to hate it. But calling the animation, OP, ED, horrible just because you hate the entire premise is uncalled for.

The Animation,,OP, ED, pacing, was at most average. I'm saying people are being elitist, because they seem to be expecting something from the show when there is NOTHING else to expect. It's like they have this special standard.

If people think the animation/etc is really horrible, I'd like to know their opinion on other anime with a different genre. I'd reckon some of them are rating those anime: above average, awesome... when it has the same quality.
That is why, the animation itself, is above or average at most. NOT horrible.

CodeBlazeFate said:
I simply hate the aesthetics of the designs. I can't stand the hair, or the LN Default facial features. I find it very unappealing, hence why I find it terrible.

You don't understand what a Light Novel is. It isn't automatically a light hearted novel. Fate/Zero is easily the bleakest, most nihilistic anime to be even remotely mainstream for anime standards, and it is adapted from a Light Novel. They are defined by word count, not the tone of content, and thus, this argument no longer applies, even if this show is indeed mostly light-hearted.

Kyoto Animation has proved that both Comedy and Slice of Life shows can be fluidly animated and brimming with detail. This show has neither of those superlatives in its animation. I never said it was horrible however, just that it was certainly choppy at times (and I watched it twice so it was definiteky tr animation and not me), and that it was on the whole mediocre, which doesn't equal bad, just that it's neither good nor bad. At best, the animation is acceptable, defend enough for this kind of show, and at worst, it's mediocre. There is no skewed standard attached to this whatsoever.

myiasis said:


Well that is fine. You don't like the design and you find it terrible. That is completely fine. But it was not as bad as what you first implied. "horrible".
I can say the same with other shows, but I can't say it was horrible. I just don't like it. (what I felt with One Piece, but I still watch it nevertheless)

I know what a light novel is. But this LN was supposed to be light hearted.
And hey, sad to say, it was NOT Kyoto Animation who worked on this, otherwise we would have a "better" animation.

I respect people(fans/readers/etc...), but I also the author(animator/studio) who put their all to work on it. If it is bad, it is fine to criticize.

We know It's hateful for some people, but I don't think we should rate a show for being "what it is".

different strokes for different folks

An NTR manga will be deprived, and this show will be an incestuous ecchi show.

Peace

Edit: This is one of the reasons why ratings are more of a "I like/don't like" this show, rather than an actual analysis of the quality of the story, animation, music, characters etc...of the genre (i.e. Most people doesn't really know how to review)

People should really take book reviews seriously during their school days.

CodeBlazeFate said:
Screw Poe's Law.

Again, not necessarily. A Light Novel is NOT light-hearted by default. As much as I hate the show I'm about to describe, Akashic Records isn't very light-hearted overall, often being very serious and bleak, not to mention very bloody and not without actual deaths. Also, I know this isn't KyoAni, this is A1, but again, looking at ERASED and Your Lie In April, those shows are far better animated and directed, and the latter is almost double this show's length. Studio difference doesn't excuse low quality animation.

Different strokes for different folks, sure, but there are still legitimate criticisms levied against this show, like about how bad the characters (like Saigiri) are, and from what I've heard, the pacing of episode 7 and certain really dumb character decisions.