Shuumatsu Nani Shitemasu ka? Isogashii desu ka? Sukutte Moratte Ii desu ka? Episode 9 Discussion

LukesYGOonYT said:
The snowmen were massacred, and about that Christmas tree...

ichii_1 said:
@Zefyris @Fai yeah but just like the original Ithea she sticks her nose into others business and hides her true feelings (her taking the original Ithea's role), that's what chtolly meant at the end.

DirectorK said:
After watching this episode I think my biggest problem with this series is that the story is weak and it's not focusing enough on the battlefront and instead focusing far too much on the homefront with Chtholly's problems.

Ten episodes in and we don't know a damn thing about what's going on in the outside world and we're given no reason to care.

DirectorK said:
Who or what are these monsters the girls are fighting against and why exactly are they a threat to the world? Because no one, especially civilians, seems to be really concerned about them.

DirectorK said:
What exactly are these girls fighting for? Because all I've seen so far they seem to be fighting for nothing other than because they're suppose to.

DirectorK said:
And how do the other soldiers feels about the fairy soldiers? Do they see as nothing more than weapons or as comrade in arms?

AnimeFanboy1234 said:
HELP ME!:

What actual, reason, is there to enjoy this anime? Everyone else is loving it, but I'm bored by it). Please, someone tell me why I should enjoy it, it's frustrating. Maybe it's because I'm watching weekly, so I forgot all the other cool shit that happens?

DirectorK said:

Who or what are these monsters the girls are fighting against and why exactly are they a threat to the world? Because no one, especially civilians, seems to be really concerned about them.

What exactly are these girls fighting for? Because all I've seen so far they seem to be fighting for nothing other than because they're suppose to.

And how do the other soldiers feels about the fairy soldiers? Do they see as nothing more than weapons or as comrade in arms?

Ten episodes in and we don't know a damn thing about what's going on in the outside world and we're given no reason to care.

Instead we're suppose to focus on Chtholly's mental problems and feeling all sad and heartbroken because of what she's going through. Normally I'd be fine with that because I like Chtholly but this whole mind breakdown thing is written so pathetically I honestly could care less if she turned into a completely different person or not.

neonie said:
I feel like Ctholly might be reincarnated spirit of the girl that used to be the girl Willem loved. Eventually, Elq will replace Ctholly and become the main love interest of this story, or the two will merge as one being and one consciousness, and that's the only way the memory loss will stop.

flannan said:

Troll winter holiday must be pretty scary, with decorations like that.


It's kind of like "ship of Theseus" philosophical question. Major parts of Ithea got replaced, but nothing seems to have changed. Is she really the same Ithea?
Either way, the new Ithea is still a good friend who is always looking out for the others, so it does not really matter, they should still remain friends. (and Chtolly probably doesn't remember the original Ithea anyway)


Well, it's because it isn't a story about awesome battles. It's a tragic story.


The giant skull and the zombie mage are keeping the beasts' true nature a secret, because MC is sure to get angry if he finds out. Which means there must be some terrible secret.
And civilians don't have to be concerned with the beasts any more than real world civilians have to be concerned with tsunamis or earthquakes.


Yes, the girls don't have any major reasons to fight. They just have a psychological abnormality that makes them not value their own lives in the least.


Well, you've seen it - different people have different feelings. Common soldiers witnessing fairy soldiers' slaying the beasts seem to be afraid of them. That snobby technical officer treats them as weapons.
The veteran surface explorer (MC's friend), on the other hand, treats them as comrades. And lizard commander seems to be the same.


"You'll understand when you're older." might seem like a bad answer, but it's true.
No, there is no cool shit happening. Well, apart from the fact the world is 300% cooler than worlds like Kuusen Madoushi.
There are only people, tired and worn-out from their previous lives, trying to look out for the next generation. It's like those CGDCT shows, except tragic.

AnimeFanboy1234 said:
Suka Suka feels like it's saying, "Yeah, we're sad and shit" but...no focus. It just feels like watching an anime about characters dicking around. 0 plot progression, etc.

neonie said:


I thought they just started as Children. I didn't realize fairies could only be the spirits of dead Children.

I also have completely forgotten what his other lovers name was.

Welp, there goes my theory, I guess.

flannan said:

Rewatch the anime when it's complete. While Shuumatsu is slow, it does actually have a plot progression.

AnimeFanboy1234 said:


Eh, no. I have over 30+ anime I need to finish, no time for rewatching.
What REAL plot progression has there been? How much closer are the characters to finding out the origins of the Beasts? Destroying them? I don't care about the characters, they're boring as *bleep* (made 10x worse when this ep focused on organe-what's-her-name's whom I could care even LESS about), I want me some of da PLOT.

-What are the beasts?
-Where are they from?
-Why were they created?
-How much closer are the characters to beating them?

I've seen countless other 1st seasons of anime that get closer to actually getting to the point of these questions.

flannan said:

If so, just drop this anime. It is not the anime you're looking for.
The answers do not matter much. This show asks questions like: What will be the cost of fighting beasts? How close is Chtolly to disappearing entirely? Are the flying islands doomed?

AnimeFanboy1234 said:


Eh, no. I have over 30+ anime I need to finish, no time for rewatching.
What REAL plot progression has there been? How much closer are the characters to finding out the origins of the Beasts? Destroying them? I don't care about the characters, they're boring as *bleep* (made 10x worse when this ep focused on organe-what's-her-name's whom I could care even LESS about), I want me some of da PLOT.

-What are the beasts?
-Where are they from?
-Why were they created?
-How much closer are the characters to beating them?

I've seen countless other 1st seasons of anime that get closer to actually getting to the point of these questions.

The first concerns the plot. This is one thing which isn't necessarily light-novel-ish, and seems to be more like one of Key/Visual Arts' so-called "utsuge," or "crying games." I disliked these sorts of stories for being emotionally manipulative. They would unabashedly use cheap tricks to get you to feel sad. Thus, the fear, "Will they have these girls dying off one by one for cheap tears?" Now, a little tragedy isn't a bad thing. However, the end of episode four was troubling. Right after stirring the depths of main guy's trauma, main girl did a stupid anime rom-com thing and broke the tension. Thus, at this point, I don't trust this show to handle tragedy appropriately.

DirectorK said:
AnimeFanboy brought up a point that I failed to mention last night since I was tired: "Plot and Plot Progression". Now that I'm awake let me explain in further detail of why I find this anime lacking.

So the lore and everything else is explained in Vol. 4 and so on through the LNs. That's fine and all but here's the problem: I shouldn't have to rely on the LNs in order to find out what's going on in this world, even though I am reading the LNs at the moment. The anime should be doing that for me and so far it hasn't and from the looks of it it's not going to unless we get another season. But even then, it shouldn't have to take more than one season to explain things unless this was an ongoing series.

If you're going to do any kind of war drama or a story that involves soldiers and some kind of military conflict you need to have three things(and you need to have all three of them, you can't have one or the other).

1. Who or what are the characters fighting against?
2. What are the characters fighting for?
3. And most importantly, how will the character's experiences in this conflict effect their lives both during and after the war?

In addition you need to show what's happening out in the battlefront and how the characters are reacting to it. So far we've only seen these beasts two or three times and yet they seemed to be portrayed as wild animals that are annoying pests rather than a real threat to the world.

The Great Sage tells Willem why the fairies exist and what they're fighting for but even that isn't a good enough explanation because like Willem said, "Even if we did defeat the beasts and managed to return to the surface, what would we find?" The answer is simple: Nothing. There's no real reason to go back to the surface. The world they knew from 500 years ago no longer exists and no one else is interested in returning the surface so what's the point? Instead of trying to go the past why not just build a new life in the world they know now?

Another issue is the plot of the anime and allow me use a quote from brainiac1530's early review.



If you're a fan of Key's products then obviously you'll like this anime. I'm a Key fan myself but even I will admit that their stories can be "emotionally manipulative" for the sake of "cheap tears" from time to time so I have to agree that's this is how I feel this is how the anime is going to end up being and I'm honestly not going to really care because the characters I find have rather too basic or no personalities at all.

Now I'm not saying that having tragedy in a story is bad or anything. What I am saying is that tragedy doesn't have to be about sadness and emotional heartbreak. It can be about the loss of both youth and innocence. And I'm not talking about Chtholly alone(as I'm sure you'll bring up), I'm talking about the fairy soldiers in general. Early on we were shown that the fairies don't really care about their lives because they well aware of what they're made for. Well, what if through their experiences in battle they begin to realize just how valuable their lives really are and that the reason why they fight is because so that the younger fairies won't have to fight their war once they come of age?

You see what I'm getting at now? That's what this anime is truly lacking, something that's both significant and meaningful.

soraroxas249 said:
FIRST : this is not a war drama
SECOND : all your stupid questions are already answered in the anime if you "watch and understand properly"
Go ahead and give me questions and I'll gladly answer them for you mr.genius

DirectorK said:


So I'm a genius because I'm bringing up flaws that I feel is holding the story back? Wow, I didn't realize I was that good.

I've have been "watch and understand properly" from episode one and so far I haven't been moved or impressed with what I've seen for the reasons I stated above and before. I'm not going to sit and repeat myself just because you're all butthurt for not sharing the same views as you do. And yes, this does count as a war drama as war dramas often involve tragedy.

And if you're going to insult me simply for being more intelligent than you try coming up with something more original.

DirectorK said:
AnimeFanboy brought up a point that I failed to mention last night since I was tired: "Plot and Plot Progression". Now that I'm awake let me explain in further detail of why I find this anime lacking.

So the lore and everything else is explained in Vol. 4 and so on through the LNs. That's fine and all but here's the problem: I shouldn't have to rely on the LNs in order to find out what's going on in this world, even though I am reading the LNs at the moment. The anime should be doing that for me and so far it hasn't and from the looks of it it's not going to unless we get another season. But even then, it shouldn't have to take more than one season to explain things unless this was an ongoing series.

If you're going to do any kind of war drama or a story that involves soldiers and some kind of military conflict you need to have three things(and you need to have all three of them, you can't have one or the other).

1. Who or what are the characters fighting against?
2. What are the characters fighting for?
3. And most importantly, how will the character's experiences in this conflict effect their lives both during and after the war?

In addition you need to show what's happening out in the battlefront and how the characters are reacting to it. So far we've only seen these beasts two or three times and yet they seemed to be portrayed as wild animals that are annoying pests rather than a real threat to the world.

The Great Sage tells Willem why the fairies exist and what they're fighting for but even that isn't a good enough explanation because like Willem said, "Even if we did defeat the beasts and managed to return to the surface, what would we find?" The answer is simple: Nothing. There's no real reason to go back to the surface. The world they knew from 500 years ago no longer exists and no one else is interested in returning the surface so what's the point? Instead of trying to go the past why not just build a new life in the world they know now?

Another issue is the plot of the anime and allow me use a quote from brainiac1530's early review.



If you're a fan of Key's products then obviously you'll like this anime. I'm a Key fan myself but even I will admit that their stories can be "emotionally manipulative" for the sake of "cheap tears" from time to time so I have to agree that's this is how I feel this is how the anime is going to end up being and I'm honestly not going to really care because the characters I find have rather too basic or no personalities at all.

Now I'm not saying that having tragedy in a story is bad or anything. What I am saying is that tragedy doesn't have to be about sadness and emotional heartbreak. It can be about the loss of both youth and innocence. And I'm not talking about Chtholly alone(as I'm sure you'll bring up), I'm talking about the fairy soldiers in general. Early on we were shown that the fairies don't really care about their lives because they well aware of what they're made for. Well, what if through their experiences in battle they begin to realize just how valuable their lives really are and that the reason why they fight is because so that the younger fairies won't have to fight their war once they come of age?

You see what I'm getting at now? That's what this anime is truly lacking, something that's both significant and meaningful.

soraroxas249 said:
hahahahahahaha
do tell me the part where there is war.
Oh wait, do you mean the war where the fairies fight against beasts?or some other war that is in the anime that I'm not aware of? Please do elaborate for me
Edit : seems like a lot of people have already answered most of you questions and yet you still have the opinion of "it still lacks", Couldn't agree with you on this one because the anime has alreay given answers to most questions.
Also your line here : After watching this episode I think my biggest problem with this series is that the story is weak and it's not focusing enough on the battlefront and instead focusing far too much on the homefront with Chtholly's problems.
Of course it's not focusing on the frontlines, this story is about how Willeim will start a new life with the fairies.

AnimeFanboy1234 said:
I cannot tell you how honored I feel that my opinion gave someone else an idea.
That's one thing I haven't elaborated on my feelings towards Suka Suka: Despite being character-driven, the characters lack any spice.

Take Guts from Berserk, for example: Since ep 1 of the anime, we learn where he's from, how he was raised, and constantly see him struggling to change from a wild dog to someone with a purpose. We see him go from desperate for love an affection, to stone-cold, to chill back, to self-doubtful, etc.

Wilhelm is somewhat similar: he has a depressing past, where he's now the only human left. Problem is, the anime places very LITTLE emphasis on this: there are very few scenes where we get to see what's going on in his head, how he feels about the past, etc. It's not reinforced enough for me to care. Besides that, Wilhelm's transition from emo hobo to nice father guy went by extremely fast, and him being a nice fun father guy is his WHOLE character, unless there are other traits I missed.

The #1 issue I have with Suka Suka, is that I never feel like the characters have to face real flaws of themselves.

I had a feeling that something strange felt about the beasts, and you summed it up: they just feel like pests. That, along with the fairies not giving a damn whether they die or not, now that I think about it, makes it hard to be emotionally invested.

DirectorK said:

Willem's and Chtholly's romance is nice and all but what significance does it have to the plot? Simple: Nothing.

Yagokor said:
Romance IS the part of the plot. Surprise, right?
Don't tell me that the part of the plot doesn't have any significance, because then i would laugh.

DirectorK said:


Funny huh? Considering that a while ago we got into a bit of an argument over The Asterisk War. But hey, no hard feelings and I'm glad to see we share the same thoughts.

AnimeFanboy1234 said:
Wait what?! You're the guy who made that Asterisk War post that I criticized?!
Hold on, how could you memorize a generic name like I have anyways?!
Am the only one who sucks at memorizing peoples' names on MAL?!

DirectorK said:


Okay. Explain to me then why the romance is so important and why it's more important than what's going on the outside world because all I've seen so far is that it's just put there for the sake of having romance just so all the emo kids can have their heartstrings tugged.

ShinItsuwari said:
I'm still mad the anime skipped the awesome twist brought by the narration at the end of volume 1.

Momosamaa said:
I didn't really understand Ithea's whole backstory. She remembered who she was before she died and turned into what she is now?

Yagokor said:
Romance is so important because it's a part of the plot? I repeat myself, i know, but what can i do?
I can only add that all parts of the plot is equally important.
If you don't like romance(in general or only in sukasuka) - that's okay, really. But for god sake, would you like to stop picking words like "importance" or "significance" in the matters of your taste? It's just ridiculous.
Well, maybe i'm just in bad mood today...

Momosamaa said:


Haha! I like that xD So when a fairy goes through that mental byebye stuff. They wake up in the same body, but just don't know anything? Cause I know the disintegration happens when they get older. So they can keep fighting over and over and over? Then it happens again when they get even older? Or something like that? Confusing ><

Cyanwasserstoff said:


Yeah, dead eyes, a empty look and we already got confirmed from Ithea that the Leprechaun loses their own memories and personality. The first scene of this anime confirmed that Chtholly will turn into a nothing more then a empty shell that is ready to get the next "software" to be written on the body as new personality with own memories.
But there are two possible ways how that could turn out:
1st Chtholly`s body will be recycled and a new fairy will take over her body.
2nd Before a new fairy could take her body, her body will die (she kill herself or would be killed by someone else or something else)

Willem was falling down from a high distance to the ground together with Nephren. So that could mean a bittersweet end for all three, especially for Willem and Chtholly.
Or Chtholly will save Willem and Nephren and got killed after that. Also a plausible possibility of that situation.



And we still have that great picture from the ending of Plastic Memories:

DirectorK said:


Okay. Explain to me then why the romance is so important and why it's more important than what's going on the outside world because all I've seen so far is that it's just put there for the sake of having romance just so all the emo kids can have their heartstrings tugged.

HaruhiroYume said:
From what i see so far, this series has no real plot and no final objective to be reached..Same with the ppl on the floating islands, they don't know what their future hold, as said by Great Sage, he don't even know how long these islands will continue floating, they can only continue living while worrying about the attacks from beasts which can happen at any time..

Sorry to tell u that the relationship between williem and kutori and these fairies is the only plot in the anime..In this vast and hopeless world, some ppl may found their own life to live but there are also some ppl who struggling to continue their life..and yea they are the fairies..The anime want to show in this hopeless world, some ppl like these main characters want to live their life to fullness and protect the ppl they love(williem) or cherish their life(Chtholly)

In my opinion, we as a viewer to follow these characters to discover the mistery and history of this world while progressing the story between these character slowly..While discovering the dark side of character, we showing the dark side of the world as well

First half of anime is talking from williem's perspective and second half of anime talking from Chtholly's prespective..Williem himself as well has no real objective to follow and don't know what's his future, same with ppl on the islands...until he found these fairies, and show how these fairies change him..

Tbh this anime adaptation cut a tons of character monologue as it used to convey what these character really thinking about so for some anime-only they can't care about the characters because of lack of interpretation of characters..but as LN reader, i think this anime was well adapted to brings out the melancholic feels of the world and those important scenes like williem's past and mental disintegration of Chtholly

omg sorry for long post, this is my answer and forgive me if it doesn't answer your questions :)

DragonSlayer_19 said:
Tbh,volume 4 is doable only if they conclude volume 3 and adapt the first chapter of volume 4 which is pretty much a very short chapter next episode. I wouldn't rule out an anime original ending, Akira sensei showed that he is willing to add in AO scenes. Also we have to take into account that this may be a 13 episode show (or was it confirmed strictly 12 episodes?)