Re:Creators Episode 9 Discussion

Jun 4, 2017 11:46 AM

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Well, can't say I really saw Mamika being killed off that easily. Feels like she needed to be more of a pivotal character.
I'm liking Magane a lot. She's the kind of antagonist I can get behind. The kind that messes with you, deceives you but makes it look so entertaining.
The lack of Altair is bothering me though, especially since she's supposed to be the main baddy here.

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Jun 4, 2017 12:10 PM

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Viktor_Otaku said:

Dracom said:
These forums are pure unadulterated cancer, and I don't say that often.

- Saying that characters are stupid when we have the benefit of being omniscient observers. The character is not you! Stop pretending to be them!
- Saying that Mamika "should have told her herself" when she was FUCKING DYING from severe blood loss and multiple punctured organs. Let's see YOU relay a message in that state.
- Saying that characters are too trusting when they have no reason to be suspicious (and/or no choice but to be).
- Saying that the plot is not moving when it is. Saying that characters are not developed when they are.

This gets me every time. People watch something, don't bother to analyze or understand it properly and criticize it for what they interpret it to be or expect it to be instead of what it actually is.

The lack of empathy for any of the characters is astounding. Though, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, humans are capable of some of the most sickening acts after all. No kidding, I legitimately want to know what shows you people enjoy if this is "boring". Like any and all of these criticisms can be levied on pretty much any show. I guess shit taste will always be shit. Also, why people continue watching shows they dislike irrationally is beyond me. The oinking of masochist pigs in these forums is too much for me to bear.

Frankly if you have a problem with how some viewers see the characters in a fictional show then you got bigger problems on your hand. If you want to weep over dear Mamika's dead body be my guest, but you do realize that you are mourning over a swarm of pixelated coloured dots that are acting on a script written on a piece of paper. There are countless real world tragedies out there that are far more deserving of our time and attention. Personally I don't give a fig even if the writers just decided to kill off all the characters via a slow and painful death just for the lolz, I will just chalk it down as poor writing and a sadist writer.
And yes some people will continue to watch a show they consider boring because they would either like to see it to the very end regardless or just want to see how much more fun they can poke out of its inconsistencies and unrealistic situations. That is why many people watch fictional tv shows, we either integrate our imaginations into it or we superimpose our reality onto it for comparison. Its like watching a bad movie, we cringe at it but we don't just walk out the hall and leave.

Art is only art when in the eyes of a beholder that thinks it to be so. In the eyes of another it can just be junk. If you find this to be a good series, its your choice. But yours is just one opinion among many others.
Personally I feel that this series have much potential, but it just got lost among a clamor of other themes. Just like other series.

Dracom has it right for the most part, though. Depth of empathy for the characters aside, there are a whole lot of people who are basically ragging on the series because the characters and writing didn't go in the direction they wanted. Far too many people seem to be expecting this show to be another version of Boku no Hero Academia, and in assuming this they miss all the ways in which the characters are used to address or touch upon various themes.

Jun 4, 2017 12:38 PM

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NudeBear said:
This writing is so fucking stupid and contrived. Instead of saying "Megane, tell her please. Save that person, person X..." she could have used her last strength to actually tell her what she wanted Alice to know.

Japanese light novel adaptation wrtiers: "How can we stir up drama and suspense in the stupidest way possible?! Ambiguity, incompetence, and more ambiguity! Woooop!"

Vinyet said:

Basically all of this. Not to mention the whole episode (and probably most of the next one) is based on a misunderstanding. When will the plot advance?

It's a 24 episode show. They have to superficially add in bullshit to fill in for airtime, it's either that or they're incompetent. The writing on this show is so bad.

well, the dude wrote Aldnoah Zero, one of the ultra shit anime with superb premise and potential... if he can ruin that, he surely can ruin fate stay night copy.

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Jun 4, 2017 12:51 PM

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NudeBear said:

Japanese light novel adaptation wrtiers: "How can we stir up drama and suspense in the stupidest way possible?! Ambiguity, incompetence, and more ambiguity! Woooop!"

This is not a Light Novel adaption. It's an Anime original.

Jun 4, 2017 2:04 PM

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I cannot help but point out that people bashing the Mamika and Alicetelia for believing Magane are simply forgetting the cirumcstances in which that happened. The first of them was on her last legs and the second one was infuriated after her friend dying. Thought process in extreme situations is far from being normal and at such times people are prone to be irrational. On top of that, unlike the characters, audience knows much more about 'The Joker' of the series, hence it's easier to see the entire mess through.

Jun 4, 2017 2:30 PM

#156

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I hope Meteora won't share Mamika's fate... Magane's ploy was delightfully evil, though.

Jun 4, 2017 4:39 PM

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Viktor_Otaku said:

aber said:
I thought this show could not get worse but it found a way. Magane is fine in small dosages but they overused her to the point where she became insufferable with her rantings and silly faces. All that chatter about dividing the team but they were right there and heard all the information she wanted to blackmail Souta with anyway. And then all the plot convenience she has. I don't care if it's "in her description" it's still horrible writing, that a character is made to spew out the entire plot/villain goals due to some offscreen research she made or written to always be in the right place at the right time does not excuse it. They aren't in their stories anymore and they were probably awful in those too.

And I'm not seeing any character development here either. Everyone basically doubles down on their tropes(Mamika, Magane, Alice). Some don't appear for episodes at a time(Gunpuku, Yuuya, Selesia, Blitz, Rui) and we have no character arcs or clue of what they are doing. It's a really disappointing way to treat an ensemble cast who have a lot of potential. Souta is pathetic and the authors are boring, yet there's more interaction among these characters than the main attractions. With the opening and ending as it is you would not expect characters with so little meaning and scenes. I am hoping Rui and Selesia do something next episode and it's not just a battle of words between the horrible plot devices that are Meteora and Magane because the script really is not that good.

I can agree to this, its like the Aldnoah and Kabaneri train wreck all over again. Show starts out promising in the first few episodes but goes down hill with the subsequent characters.
Its like the writers and directors somehow lost all interest in subsequent effort to develop the story, but rather fall back to the old used themes of good v evil and monologuing villians etc etc, in an effort to shove the whole series down the pipe and to the ending asap. I don't know why this series is planned to have 24 episodes if it is going to be stale by the 10th.
And what is the point of having such a large cast of characters when you aren't going to explore their personalities in depth anyway. Right now the viewers interests are in what are the motives of Blitz Tolkar and Altair, even future shedding of light on how Yuuya views the real world or having a conversation with his creators would have been better. But instead such development are left on the sidelines only to be forced fed to the viewers via injection IV drip just moments before the character is killed off.

Blitz is so woefully underused it's alarming. Nine episodes in and no one has a clue of his intentions or reasoning. I think they needed to think through this first season structure more. Or if they are not going to bother with so many characters then don't introduce them so early or emphasize equal importance in the OP. But even Selesia who seemed to be important has slowly disappeared from the narrative. Altair gets namedropped more than she actually appears or does anything. I was really hyped for this before airing because I like these ensemble cast shows where everyone has their own story, clique, drive or goal(like durarara or fate zero) and thought that at the very least everyone would have their fair share of scenes but so far they have developed one character a little and killed her while leaving everyone else on the back-burner.
But I'm still holding out some expectations. The scene of Blitz in the opening with his gun could possibly mean he will have a confrontation at Altair's base and maybe Selesia and Rui infiltrated it. Mirokuji's scene in the opening happened this episode with his fight against Magane. Then they can all get some much needed developments.

Jun 4, 2017 5:04 PM

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GangsterCat said:

NudeBear said:
This writing is so fucking stupid and contrived. Instead of saying "Megane, tell her please. Save that person, person X..." she could have used her last strength to actually tell her what she wanted Alice to know.

Japanese light novel adaptation wrtiers: "How can we stir up drama and suspense in the stupidest way possible?! Ambiguity, incompetence, and more ambiguity! Woooop!"

It's a 24 episode show. They have to superficially add in bullshit to fill in for airtime, it's either that or they're incompetent. The writing on this show is so bad.

well, the dude wrote Aldnoah Zero, one of the ultra shit anime with superb premise and potential... if he can ruin that, he surely can ruin fate stay night copy.

Rei Hiroe did not write Aldnoah Zero, nor did Ei Aoki. Ei Aoki was, on the other hand, responsible for directing Aldnoah Zero.

desuminator said:
I cannot help but point out that people bashing the Mamika and Alicetelia for believing Magane are simply forgetting the cirumcstances in which that happened. The first of them was on her last legs and the second one was infuriated after her friend dying. Thought process in extreme situations is far from being normal and at such times people are prone to be irrational. On top of that, unlike the characters, audience knows much more about 'The Joker' of the series, hence it's easier to see the entire mess through.

This person has a valid point. As I've said several times, the characters are not privy to the information that the audience has and Mamika had little if any direct contact with Magane. In fact, Mamika did try to tell Alice about Altair, but being halfway dead already prevented her from doing so. One must also consider that Mamika was still acting within the bounds of her character description.

Jun 4, 2017 5:05 PM

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aber said:

Viktor_Otaku said:

I can agree to this, its like the Aldnoah and Kabaneri train wreck all over again. Show starts out promising in the first few episodes but goes down hill with the subsequent characters.
Its like the writers and directors somehow lost all interest in subsequent effort to develop the story, but rather fall back to the old used themes of good v evil and monologuing villians etc etc, in an effort to shove the whole series down the pipe and to the ending asap. I don't know why this series is planned to have 24 episodes if it is going to be stale by the 10th.
And what is the point of having such a large cast of characters when you aren't going to explore their personalities in depth anyway. Right now the viewers interests are in what are the motives of Blitz Tolkar and Altair, even future shedding of light on how Yuuya views the real world or having a conversation with his creators would have been better. But instead such development are left on the sidelines only to be forced fed to the viewers via injection IV drip just moments before the character is killed off.

Blitz is so woefully underused it's alarming. Nine episodes in and no one has a clue of his intentions or reasoning. I think they needed to think through this first season structure more. Or if they are not going to bother with so many characters then don't introduce them so early or emphasize equal importance in the OP. But even Selesia who seemed to be important has slowly disappeared from the narrative. Altair gets namedropped more than she actually appears or does anything. I was really hyped for this before airing because I like these ensemble cast shows where everyone has their own story, clique, drive or goal(like durarara or fate zero) and thought that at the very least everyone would have their fair share of scenes but so far they have developed one character a little and killed her while leaving everyone else on the back-burner.
But I'm still holding out some expectations. The scene of Blitz in the opening with his gun could possibly mean he will have a confrontation at Altair's base and maybe Selesia and Rui infiltrated it. Mirokuji's scene in the opening happened this episode with his fight against Magane. Then they can all get some much needed developments.

We're still less than halfway through the series. There's plenty of time for development.

Jun 4, 2017 6:32 PM

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dropped, so boring
way too many conversations
you guys are amazing keep discussing this shit

Jun 4, 2017 8:01 PM

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Can someone please explain why Mirokuji sided with the good guys and how is that tied to his motives or personality?

Jun 4, 2017 8:10 PM

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Unless I'm missing some important detail here, am I the only one bothered that Mamika was killed off before we even meet her Creator? Almost all the other Creators had been introduced or were already deceased.

Jun 4, 2017 8:54 PM

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Magane is annoying character, and completely ridiculous that people would trust this demented character when so obvious. Doesn't make me think she's a great villain, just makes me think this is a joke at times. Yuuya is the best character. Gun dude has potential too.

The fact people all over youtube comments and in general take her nonsense about justice and fun about killing being equatable as some sort of profound statement, also makes me lose faith in humanity. Actually, it gives knight girl some cred back, sure she is tricked by her, but apparently many people in the real world take her seriously so quite realistic perhaps.

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Jun 4, 2017 11:38 PM

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Epicenter said:
Magane is annoying character, and completely ridiculous that people would trust this demented character when so obvious. Doesn't make me think she's a great villain, just makes me think this is a joke at times. Yuuya is the best character. Gun dude has potential too.

The fact people all over youtube comments and in general take her nonsense about justice and fun about killing being equatable as some sort of profound statement, also makes me lose faith in humanity. Actually, it gives knight girl some cred back, sure she is tricked by her, but apparently many people in the real world take her seriously so quite realistic perhaps.

Agreed. I'm surprised that so many people consider her to be well written. That's not to say that she isn't, but I'm going to note that she's written poorly in a deliberate fashion. She's meant to be the "genre representation" of horror anime/light novels/etc, and thus is deliberately made out to be a fake. Her attempts at philosophy are extremely transparent, as are her objectives. She's arguably one of the least developed characters in the series in spite of getting a significant amount of screentime.

firemagnetJun 5, 2017 12:09 AM

Jun 5, 2017 12:59 AM

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firemagnet said:

krazykillerkurt said:

People can't seem to get that lol they're characters from different stories like why can't people understand that simple concept. Alice immediately believe Magane because that's what her character description tells her to. She's just so stupidly self-righteous that she just jumped right in to avenge her dead friend. Magane ofc always unconviniently appears at all the convienient places for her since that's in her character description too, and it's in her character description to stir up trouble, which makes it so interesting. BLESS THIS ANIME

This guy hits it on the head. Mamika was interesting precisely because her growth as a human being was notable while still remaining true to her parameters.

In contrast:

- Magane and Aliceteria have not changed at all beyond incorporating more of what was planned for them. Magane simply got even more batshit insane, while Aliceteria doubled-down on her parameters. Which is to say that she became a denser version of the Saber-expy she was always meant to be.

-Meteora has had the second largest growth while remaining true to her origins.

-Yuuya has had the third largest growth in that he is both intelligent and self-aware.

-Celesia is in 4th place, but she's largely been out of the picture. Her growth has been more limited, but her role beyond being the protagonist has also been largely unexplored.

-Blitz is an unknown at this point, as is Altair, since they've gotten the least screen-time.

Exactly. After Magane became aware of her status as someone from a fictional story, she just took advantage of everything at her disposal. She's perfectly insane. Just brilliant. They may be human now but their character description is pretty much the basis for their personality, which means the more evolved the character, the better writing the author had on making their characters. I'm shook

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Jun 5, 2017 1:28 AM

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I'm just surprised that so many people keep using "underdeveloped characters" and "slow-moving plot" as criticisms as if these things are quantifiable or all there is to a show. Like can we get anymore clinical or methodical with our analysis? Far be it from me to criticize someone else's way of anime appreciation, but is that actually pleasurable? Formulating a checklist, only allowing yourself enjoyment after certain requirements are met.

Viktor_Otaku said:
Frankly if you have a problem with how some viewers see the characters in a fictional show then you got bigger problems on your hand. If you want to weep over dear Mamika's dead body be my guest, but you do realize that you are mourning over a swarm of pixelated coloured dots that are acting on a script written on a piece of paper. There are countless real world tragedies out there that are far more deserving of our time and attention. Personally I don't give a fig even if the writers just decided to kill off all the characters via a slow and painful death just for the lolz, I will just chalk it down as poor writing and a sadist writer.

How sociopathic can we get? Fiction only functions precisely because we can identify with the characters on some level as human, in spite of their constructed nature. People can feel more grief at their favorite fictional characters dying than a complete stranger they've read on the news.

I'm no stranger to literary analysis and appreciate and engage in it in copious amounts, but since the show deals with precisely these exact themes of fictional characters and realities, you'd think it would get people to look beyond their own constrained world view. But I guess that would be way too much to ask. I'm not trying to be anti-intellectual. Far from it. In fact, by looking at things from solely one perspective and trying to force it to conform to our paradigm, it limits our ability to get the full picture. The lack of self-awareness and self-reflectivity is astounding.

DracomJun 5, 2017 2:05 AM

Jun 5, 2017 4:42 AM

#167

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Viktor_Otaku said:

Dracom said:
These forums are pure unadulterated cancer, and I don't say that often.

- Saying that characters are stupid when we have the benefit of being omniscient observers. The character is not you! Stop pretending to be them!
- Saying that Mamika "should have told her herself" when she was FUCKING DYING from severe blood loss and multiple punctured organs. Let's see YOU relay a message in that state.
- Saying that characters are too trusting when they have no reason to be suspicious (and/or no choice but to be).
- Saying that the plot is not moving when it is. Saying that characters are not developed when they are.

This gets me every time. People watch something, don't bother to analyze or understand it properly and criticize it for what they interpret it to be or expect it to be instead of what it actually is.

The lack of empathy for any of the characters is astounding. Though, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, humans are capable of some of the most sickening acts after all. No kidding, I legitimately want to know what shows you people enjoy if this is "boring". Like any and all of these criticisms can be levied on pretty much any show. I guess shit taste will always be shit. Also, why people continue watching shows they dislike irrationally is beyond me. The oinking of masochist pigs in these forums is too much for me to bear.

Frankly if you have a problem with how some viewers see the characters in a fictional show then you got bigger problems on your hand. If you want to weep over dear Mamika's dead body be my guest, but you do realize that you are mourning over a swarm of pixelated coloured dots that are acting on a script written on a piece of paper. There are countless real world tragedies out there that are far more deserving of our time and attention. Personally I don't give a fig even if the writers just decided to kill off all the characters via a slow and painful death just for the lolz, I will just chalk it down as poor writing and a sadist writer.
And yes some people will continue to watch a show they consider boring because they would either like to see it to the very end regardless or just want to see how much more fun they can poke out of its inconsistencies and unrealistic situations. That is why many people watch fictional tv shows, we either integrate our imaginations into it or we superimpose our reality onto it for comparison. Its like watching a bad movie, we cringe at it but we don't just walk out the hall and leave.

Art is only art when in the eyes of a beholder that thinks it to be so. In the eyes of another it can just be junk. If you find this to be a good series, its your choice. But yours is just one opinion among many others.
Personally I feel that this series have much potential, but it just got lost among a clamor of other themes. Just like other series.

yes because i give a shit about a random person dying in the other side of the world... i don't watch news exactely cause i couldn't care less about strange people i'm never going to see...
also, while i'm annoyed by some of the recent episodes, i'm still not dropping it cause i think it will be more interesting later...
anyway if you can't care for anime then stop watching anime...saying we can't like a "pixelated character" is probably the most retarded thing to say on an anime forum...

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Jun 5, 2017 6:09 AM

#168

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This is what I like in shounen anime - DYING MAIN CHARACTERS!!
Not those imortal characters who use bandage when they are without head and cutted in half. (Im looking at you Emiya Shirou)

Jun 5, 2017 7:14 AM

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7jaws7 said:
Unless I'm missing some important detail here, am I the only one bothered that Mamika was killed off before we even meet her Creator? Almost all the other Creators had been introduced or were already deceased.

You are not alone.

Jun 5, 2017 8:34 AM

#170

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The most annoying character died, I'm so happy :) :) :)
I loooove Magane she's the best character in this followed by Altair, but sadly they're probably gonna die because "muh heroes have to always win" bullshit.
I wish there was more anime where evil wins...

Jun 5, 2017 8:34 AM

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G_Spark233 said:
Really sad seeing Mamika die.

It felt like there were a lot of convenient moments in this episode with Magane finding a dying Mamika and everyone finding Sota.

It wasn't a coincidence that Yuuya and Meteora found Souta. Given that Meteora was in her combat gear and not her civilian outfit, that suggests she was prepared for a fight before showing up, so it's likely they knew something was up with Sota and were tailing him.

Epicenter said:
The fact people all over youtube comments and in general take her nonsense about justice and fun about killing being equatable as some sort of profound statement, also makes me lose faith in humanity. Actually, it gives knight girl some cred back, sure she is tricked by her, but apparently many people in the real world take her seriously so quite realistic perhaps.

C'mon, be fair. Those are Youtube comments, that's basically the gold standard of shit comments.

Jun 5, 2017 8:34 AM

#172

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I really don´t understand some people point of view here, Mamika already told almost everything to megame so why repeat again in her last breath to alice. We see that mamika,when alice show up, wasn´t in a good state of mind when it took like 5 to 10 sec to see that her friend was right there.

If she trusted megame to give all information the last piece missing was that she didn´t want Alice to kill/fight altair but to save her form her despair and the vengeace sentiments she has for the real world, that why she tells her to save her.

About Alice trusting Megane is more bout Mamika saying that she told megane everything,even though she isn´t trust worthy, mamika trust her so Alice would trust her too, . And we saw her backstory, after mamika die she only cared to kill the person that kill her friend. (You may not like how the plot is going but makes total sense in terms of characters)

For people saying the characters are flat. I mean Mamika was a pretty good character and meteora already got her resolution (if there is no betrayals in the horizon ofc). I think the show could foucs on the others like blitz or celestia or the mecha guy but we are only still in ep 9 of 22. Altair and sota will probably get their development but we just have to w8 though.

Megane being on the right place is a plot convinience but tbh every show used them to move the plot.

CT_BINOJun 5, 2017 8:42 AM

Jun 5, 2017 9:18 AM

#173

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you guys know megane was disappointed mamika perished right?
she was hurt by her stupidity
similarly like an instinct made from her creator
she just couldn't help to lie

Jun 5, 2017 9:26 AM

#174

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Just one thing, Souta is retard af. Btw Magane and Souta ruin this show. Magane is a teenager dumb villain and Souta is a dumbest aggrieved i've ever seen.

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Jun 5, 2017 10:12 AM

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CT_BINO said:
I really don´t understand some people point of view here, Mamika already told almost everything to megame so why repeat again in her last breath to alice. We see that mamika,when alice show up, wasn´t in a good state of mind when it took like 5 to 10 sec to see that her friend was right there.

If she trusted megame to give all information the last piece missing was that she didn´t want Alice to kill/fight altair but to save her form her despair and the vengeace sentiments she has for the real world, that why she tells her to save her.

I had to watch the ep twice to notice this tbh (the ep I got had bad quality, so I re-downloaded and re-watched later) and I am pretty sure most ppl here haven't noticed it too.

Jun 5, 2017 10:24 AM

#176

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Maganae is waifu. I was liked get it when she wrapped her legs around the MC and pulled her to her pantsu and I was like oooooooooo.

She is a very interesting character

Jun 5, 2017 11:42 AM

#177

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RIP MAGANE. wtf this anime
I wish MAGANE DIED.
WhoreBitch character. Talk much

Jun 5, 2017 11:49 AM

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Aeonenleben said:
God, magane is such a waste of screentime.
She is by far the least-developed charakter in the whole cast.

She is so over-the-top edgy its cringeworthy.
And she does nothing to the plot whatsoever. She is basically a bad filler.

WELL SAID. RIP MAGANE WILL BE BETTER STORY.

Jun 5, 2017 12:46 PM

#179

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Inugirlz said:

Kin088 said:
Things that disappointed me in this ep

1. Mamika trusting Magane to pass on the message.

2. Mamika had enough time to tell Alice the truth but didn't, but she chose to ask Magane to tell Alice the message even though she was right there and could tell her herself.

3. Alice trusting/believing Magane too easily.

All these statement are accurate. Therefore the following statement is as well:

Benio_ said:
Mamika deserved to die for being stupid.

Honestly.

I was coming here to post this exactly. Thanks for saving me the typing guys.

And why is Souta wailing like that after he met Mamika, what...twice?

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Jun 5, 2017 4:04 PM

#180

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Farabeuf said:

Inugirlz said:

All these statement are accurate. Therefore the following statement is as well:

Honestly.

I was coming here to post this exactly. Thanks for saving me the typing guys.

And why is Souta wailing like that after he met Mamika, what...twice?

He indirectly got her killed, which means more blood on his hands. You don't need to know someone to feel guilt for that.

Jun 5, 2017 4:20 PM

#181

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Nooooo! Not mamika! After the initial encounter with her she looked like the typical naive mahou shoujo but she was the best!
Out of all the garbage characters this anime has (everyone really.) why did she have to die? (Ok everyone except magane)

This anime really tries to make me like only 1 girl.

On a more serious note, Im sure glad I did not drop this after the first shitty 3 or 4 episodes. The last few have been really really good.

13 episodes without mamika will be hard. I just hope Magane will not die right away. They dont really die anyway, well they do, but they are just cloned fictional characters ..

Comander-07Jun 5, 2017 4:24 PM

"This emotion is mine alone.
It is for Madoka alone." - Homura
or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica.

Jun 5, 2017 5:34 PM

#182

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I don't have any words for the first minutes of this episode. Soooo sad! Maybe Mamika will have a come-back, since killing her as a person can't mean killing her whole story world (or maybe it means that since this world has already collided with the real world?).

But as for her not properly telling Alice the truth about Altair, Mamika was probably too puzzled that Alice really found her before she died. And I think she believed that Magane can't possibly lie about Altair's plan since that would mean her own end.

Though, Magane's part in this story really is getting more and more strange. Almost makes me think that Altair brought this character to life as her way to destroy everything. Magane clearly pulls the strings.

Jun 5, 2017 5:54 PM

#183

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One "disturbing" thing that happened this episode was Mamika's blood fell on that crazy Magane's food and she ate it... in front of Mamika and licked the remaining blood.

She even went in and touched her blood after Mamika officially died.

RIP Best girl. Please, don't kill Best Girl #2 just yet (or at all). Alice, you need to use your brain for once :( Why would the girl Mamika saved from certain death kills her?

Jun 5, 2017 6:08 PM

#184

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No more Magical Splash Flare, that move will always be remembered.
RIP Mamika.

Magane is a tough opponent to deal with. It pissed me off that her character is such a good villain.

Jun 6, 2017 2:08 AM

#185

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Some of the scenes can drag out. Everyone's so talkative.

Jun 6, 2017 2:26 AM

#186

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Awesome episode!
Mamika has really fallen!
Magane is really having fun! what a bad villain girl! she is such a manipulative bitch!
Even Mirokuji is having a hard time dealing with her!
and then comes Alice for more chaos! damn this will be a disturbing clash!
5/5.

Jun 6, 2017 4:01 AM

#187

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oh my the story is so dumb i can't bear it, Only watch it for design and waifus for now.

Jun 6, 2017 1:07 PM

#188

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Dracom said:
I'm just surprised that so many people keep using "underdeveloped characters" and "slow-moving plot" as criticisms as if these things are quantifiable or all there is to a show. Like can we get anymore clinical or methodical with our analysis? Far be it from me to criticize someone else's way of anime appreciation, but is that actually pleasurable? Formulating a checklist, only allowing yourself enjoyment after certain requirements are met.

Viktor_Otaku said:
Frankly if you have a problem with how some viewers see the characters in a fictional show then you got bigger problems on your hand. If you want to weep over dear Mamika's dead body be my guest, but you do realize that you are mourning over a swarm of pixelated coloured dots that are acting on a script written on a piece of paper. There are countless real world tragedies out there that are far more deserving of our time and attention. Personally I don't give a fig even if the writers just decided to kill off all the characters via a slow and painful death just for the lolz, I will just chalk it down as poor writing and a sadist writer.

How sociopathic can we get? Fiction only functions precisely because we can identify with the characters on some level as human, in spite of their constructed nature. People can feel more grief at their favorite fictional characters dying than a complete stranger they've read on the news.

I'm no stranger to literary analysis and appreciate and engage in it in copious amounts, but since the show deals with precisely these exact themes of fictional characters and realities, you'd think it would get people to look beyond their own constrained world view. But I guess that would be way too much to ask. I'm not trying to be anti-intellectual. Far from it. In fact, by looking at things from solely one perspective and trying to force it to conform to our paradigm, it limits our ability to get the full picture. The lack of self-awareness and self-reflectivity is astounding.

As much as we can relate and emphasize with the character in a story, there comes a time when we have to step back and realize that this is written at the whims of a author who can suddenly turn nasty all of a sudden.

None of what is happening in Re Creator's can seriously be related back to our real world experience. And even if it was, its not like everyone of us is obligated to gush it out online like some kind of drama. Constrained world view? The story is constrained enough as it is, even if we try with a crow bar we can't possibly expand it beyond what the writers intended it to be without injecting in a huge amount of self-creativity and indulgence, which makes the entire story pointless as it would be told from our point of view.

Seeing as how people can feel more grief for a fictional character is actually more worrying as to how people are starting to see where the line of reality ends and that of fantasy begins.

Jun 6, 2017 1:17 PM

#189

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winddevil1 said:

Viktor_Otaku said:

Frankly if you have a problem with how some viewers see the characters in a fictional show then you got bigger problems on your hand. If you want to weep over dear Mamika's dead body be my guest, but you do realize that you are mourning over a swarm of pixelated coloured dots that are acting on a script written on a piece of paper. There are countless real world tragedies out there that are far more deserving of our time and attention. Personally I don't give a fig even if the writers just decided to kill off all the characters via a slow and painful death just for the lolz, I will just chalk it down as poor writing and a sadist writer.
And yes some people will continue to watch a show they consider boring because they would either like to see it to the very end regardless or just want to see how much more fun they can poke out of its inconsistencies and unrealistic situations. That is why many people watch fictional tv shows, we either integrate our imaginations into it or we superimpose our reality onto it for comparison. Its like watching a bad movie, we cringe at it but we don't just walk out the hall and leave.

Art is only art when in the eyes of a beholder that thinks it to be so. In the eyes of another it can just be junk. If you find this to be a good series, its your choice. But yours is just one opinion among many others.
Personally I feel that this series have much potential, but it just got lost among a clamor of other themes. Just like other series.

yes because i give a shit about a random person dying in the other side of the world... i don't watch news exactely cause i couldn't care less about strange people i'm never going to see...
also, while i'm annoyed by some of the recent episodes, i'm still not dropping it cause i think it will be more interesting later...
anyway if you can't care for anime then stop watching anime...saying we can't like a "pixelated character" is probably the most retarded thing to say on an anime forum...

See what I mean? Barely another series gone when one of the characters was scripted to die a horrible death (seriously who ever saw how Mamika was portrayed could have seen that right from the start, death flags aplenty) and people are already putting her image as their poster image and writing eulogies about her. And before this is over I will bet that half of them will be gushing over another character from another series that is killed ala Madoka style and then replacing that new character's images as their new wallpaper(hello guys at least show some loyalty to a character you are supposedly mourning for). And with this statements abound it seems that the original poster's real concern should not be whether people who lack empathy to anime characters lack empathy in real life, but whether people who emphasizes with anime characters fails to emphasizes with real life issues due to failure of understanding where fantasy ends and where reality begins.

An anime forum is where one can discuss anime shows and mangas. But nowhere did I see in the fine print that we have to sell our soul and worship whatever anime that is currently topping the "most viewed" charts.
And no where did I say that I did not enjoy watching anime, I merely stated that some people can enjoy watching anime for totally different reasons that are not main stream (mainly for poking fun and criticism)

As for me I am going to watch this anime for both, I like the idea of the series and its OST but I also enjoy comparing it to real life conditions and how the writers fails to explore more on certain topics that should have been addressed.

Though I should not expect much when dealing with diehard fanboys, for them its either you say that the series is the work of god or you are the devil reincarnated.

And you can like Mamika or whatever character that just so happens to capture your eyes for the next 5 mins, but just remember that as much as you are entitled to like her others are entitled to point out the flaws and ridiculousness of her portrayal.

Viktor_OtakuJun 6, 2017 1:21 PM

Jun 6, 2017 1:28 PM

#190

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firemagnet said:

aber said:

Viktor_Otaku said:

aber said:
I thought this show could not get worse but it found a way. Magane is fine in small dosages but they overused her to the point where she became insufferable with her rantings and silly faces. All that chatter about dividing the team but they were right there and heard all the information she wanted to blackmail Souta with anyway. And then all the plot convenience she has. I don't care if it's "in her description" it's still horrible writing, that a character is made to spew out the entire plot/villain goals due to some offscreen research she made or written to always be in the right place at the right time does not excuse it. They aren't in their stories anymore and they were probably awful in those too.

And I'm not seeing any character development here either. Everyone basically doubles down on their tropes(Mamika, Magane, Alice). Some don't appear for episodes at a time(Gunpuku, Yuuya, Selesia, Blitz, Rui) and we have no character arcs or clue of what they are doing. It's a really disappointing way to treat an ensemble cast who have a lot of potential. Souta is pathetic and the authors are boring, yet there's more interaction among these characters than the main attractions. With the opening and ending as it is you would not expect characters with so little meaning and scenes. I am hoping Rui and Selesia do something next episode and it's not just a battle of words between the horrible plot devices that are Meteora and Magane because the script really is not that good.

I can agree to this, its like the Aldnoah and Kabaneri train wreck all over again. Show starts out promising in the first few episodes but goes down hill with the subsequent characters.
Its like the writers and directors somehow lost all interest in subsequent effort to develop the story, but rather fall back to the old used themes of good v evil and monologuing villians etc etc, in an effort to shove the whole series down the pipe and to the ending asap. I don't know why this series is planned to have 24 episodes if it is going to be stale by the 10th.
And what is the point of having such a large cast of characters when you aren't going to explore their personalities in depth anyway. Right now the viewers interests are in what are the motives of Blitz Tolkar and Altair, even future shedding of light on how Yuuya views the real world or having a conversation with his creators would have been better. But instead such development are left on the sidelines only to be forced fed to the viewers via injection IV drip just moments before the character is killed off.

Blitz is so woefully underused it's alarming. Nine episodes in and no one has a clue of his intentions or reasoning. I think they needed to think through this first season structure more. Or if they are not going to bother with so many characters then don't introduce them so early or emphasize equal importance in the OP. But even Selesia who seemed to be important has slowly disappeared from the narrative. Altair gets namedropped more than she actually appears or does anything. I was really hyped for this before airing because I like these ensemble cast shows where everyone has their own story, clique, drive or goal(like durarara or fate zero) and thought that at the very least everyone would have their fair share of scenes but so far they have developed one character a little and killed her while leaving everyone else on the back-burner.
But I'm still holding out some expectations. The scene of Blitz in the opening with his gun could possibly mean he will have a confrontation at Altair's base and maybe Selesia and Rui infiltrated it. Mirokuji's scene in the opening happened this episode with his fight against Magane. Then they can all get some much needed developments.

We're still less than halfway through the series. There's plenty of time for development.

I wish that holds true, but the developers are seriously wasting some precious screen time with vague nonsense.

Jun 6, 2017 3:19 PM

#191

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Viktor_Otaku said:

winddevil1 said:

Viktor_Otaku said:

Dracom said:
These forums are pure unadulterated cancer, and I don't say that often.

- Saying that characters are stupid when we have the benefit of being omniscient observers. The character is not you! Stop pretending to be them!
- Saying that Mamika "should have told her herself" when she was FUCKING DYING from severe blood loss and multiple punctured organs. Let's see YOU relay a message in that state.
- Saying that characters are too trusting when they have no reason to be suspicious (and/or no choice but to be).
- Saying that the plot is not moving when it is. Saying that characters are not developed when they are.

This gets me every time. People watch something, don't bother to analyze or understand it properly and criticize it for what they interpret it to be or expect it to be instead of what it actually is.

The lack of empathy for any of the characters is astounding. Though, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, humans are capable of some of the most sickening acts after all. No kidding, I legitimately want to know what shows you people enjoy if this is "boring". Like any and all of these criticisms can be levied on pretty much any show. I guess shit taste will always be shit. Also, why people continue watching shows they dislike irrationally is beyond me. The oinking of masochist pigs in these forums is too much for me to bear.

Frankly if you have a problem with how some viewers see the characters in a fictional show then you got bigger problems on your hand. If you want to weep over dear Mamika's dead body be my guest, but you do realize that you are mourning over a swarm of pixelated coloured dots that are acting on a script written on a piece of paper. There are countless real world tragedies out there that are far more deserving of our time and attention. Personally I don't give a fig even if the writers just decided to kill off all the characters via a slow and painful death just for the lolz, I will just chalk it down as poor writing and a sadist writer.
And yes some people will continue to watch a show they consider boring because they would either like to see it to the very end regardless or just want to see how much more fun they can poke out of its inconsistencies and unrealistic situations. That is why many people watch fictional tv shows, we either integrate our imaginations into it or we superimpose our reality onto it for comparison. Its like watching a bad movie, we cringe at it but we don't just walk out the hall and leave.

Art is only art when in the eyes of a beholder that thinks it to be so. In the eyes of another it can just be junk. If you find this to be a good series, its your choice. But yours is just one opinion among many others.
Personally I feel that this series have much potential, but it just got lost among a clamor of other themes. Just like other series.

yes because i give a shit about a random person dying in the other side of the world... i don't watch news exactely cause i couldn't care less about strange people i'm never going to see...
also, while i'm annoyed by some of the recent episodes, i'm still not dropping it cause i think it will be more interesting later...
anyway if you can't care for anime then stop watching anime...saying we can't like a "pixelated character" is probably the most retarded thing to say on an anime forum...

See what I mean? Barely another series gone when one of the characters was scripted to die a horrible death (seriously who ever saw how Mamika was portrayed could have seen that right from the start, death flags aplenty) and people are already putting her image as their poster image and writing eulogies about her. And before this is over I will bet that half of them will be gushing over another character from another series that is killed ala Madoka style and then replacing that new character's images as their new wallpaper(hello guys at least show some loyalty to a character you are supposedly mourning for). And with this statements abound it seems that the original poster's real concern should not be whether people who lack empathy to anime characters lack empathy in real life, but whether people who emphasizes with anime characters fails to emphasizes with real life issues due to failure of understanding where fantasy ends and where reality begins.

An anime forum is where one can discuss anime shows and mangas. But nowhere did I see in the fine print that we have to sell our soul and worship whatever anime that is currently topping the "most viewed" charts.
And no where did I say that I did not enjoy watching anime, I merely stated that some people can enjoy watching anime for totally different reasons that are not main stream (mainly for poking fun and criticism)

As for me I am going to watch this anime for both, I like the idea of the series and its OST but I also enjoy comparing it to real life conditions and how the writers fails to explore more on certain topics that should have been addressed.

Though I should not expect much when dealing with diehard fanboys, for them its either you say that the series is the work of god or you are the devil reincarnated.

And you can like Mamika or whatever character that just so happens to capture your eyes for the next 5 mins, but just remember that as much as you are entitled to like her others are entitled to point out the flaws and ridiculousness of her portrayal.

well i'm not a diehard fan, i actually disliked a LOT of stuff on last episode and not just the death... starting by the chance of the blood falling on the crazy girl, or the knight trusting this crazy girl like that, and i didn't actually drop the anime this episode because i like the setting of anime characters on real world

but seeing you writing
- "mourning over a swarm of pixelated coloured dots that are acting on a script written on a piece of paper. There are countless real world tragedies out there "
- "as much as you are entitled to like her, others are entitled to point out the flaws and ridiculousness of her portrayal"

this 1st sentence was what i commented about, and this 2nd sentence is almost a contradiction to the 1st

also like i said before, i'm sorry but i rather like or dislike a character on an anime, that I've been watching for like 7 episodes and "managed to get my attention", then a random accident that killed 3 or 4 people on the other side of the world, that's like 95% of the news,

about my picture, i felt like changing the one that i had for like 4 months, to show that i disliked this death, it's not like i'll be unfaithful if i don't keep the picture forever, or so i think...(specially since the anime has 22 episodes, so will be like 4 months before it is over)

favorite "new girls" from summer <3 ... click sig for older seasons and more possible picks (rip all the other choices)

Jun 6, 2017 6:34 PM

#192

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firemagnet said:

seconds_to_dere said:

You implying Altair is original? Smh

Never said anything about Altair

Obviously there are types like Magane in other anime but types like Altair are 3x more common, OP, bland generic antagonist, lame ass avenger like Sasuke, eventually becomes half assed in the end (which Mamika implies "save her")

I find Altair and Magane equally interesting. I just find Magane to be the more obvious moving-the-plot-forward device, since she's easily figured out. They both are, mind, but Magane is the easier one since she's a sadistic child in a teenage body, who exists only to kill. She's transparent where Altair is slightly more opaque.

If you like Altair you probably like the shit villains of fairy tail too

I actually don't watch Fairy Tail. I didn't like it.

Also, projection much?

Great antagonist are smart and sharp, obviously Altair is not that smart she just had knowledge. Magane however grasp the situation without even joining neither side and manipulates everyone in the palm of her hand

Both are knowledgeable, but in different ways. Magane has an animal cunning and knows how to disarm others whereas Altair has gravitas and genuinely tries to move others towards her ends.

TL;DR: Magane makes the show more complicated and interesting, without her it's either Altair wins or she gets stopped (BORING)

Exactly the same could be said of Magane; either she gets stopped or one risks the slaughter of millions. Altair is merely a more immediate threat. Magane is simply too obvious and too insane to be taken seriously or be genuinely interesting, and thus adds no new complexity.

Also, if you're here for the action as opposed to really taking a look at the characters, the way they interact, the issues brought up and the narrative concepts touched upon, then you're doing it wrong.

You're obviously implying she's original and I never said you said I said you implied it

She's one of the most generic antagonist like Kayaba Akihiko I'll bet dime she'll become half assed in the end

"easily figured out" bruh they know what series she's from unlike Altair who they couldn't find till now

"sadistic child in a teenage body" hmmmmm.. At this point you're just biased through and through

"exist only to kill", bro Altair wants to destroy the world duh that's clearly worst than a plain serial killer. Meterora figured Altair's plan out without even finding her true identity yet "Opaque" smh

Magane being "transparent" was easy for you to say coz you're a viewer but from the characters perspective, since they know she's not working with neither side, they're confused about her

"Altair has gravitas and genuinely tries to move others towards her ends." so for some reason you somehow saw more talking with Altair and her allies? Smh and Mamika betrayed her halfway. C'mon bro Altair simply fooled the others there's no indication it's not even shown in amy episode how she talked to them it's not a smart deception

"exactly the same could be said of Magane" didn't you watch the episode? She's planning something, you do know her ability right? Unlike Altair who's simply waiting at this point. Magane is trying to do something that'll make both sides her bitch

I'm simply here for the action? Who's projecting now?

"Magane is simply too obvious" dude again, They figured her out through her series While Meteora figured out Altair's plan without even finding her identity yet

Altair = transparent, generic, shallow

Jun 6, 2017 8:40 PM

#193

Viktor_Otaku

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winddevil1 said:

Viktor_Otaku said:

winddevil1 said:

Viktor_Otaku said:

Dracom said:
These forums are pure unadulterated cancer, and I don't say that often.

- Saying that characters are stupid when we have the benefit of being omniscient observers. The character is not you! Stop pretending to be them!
- Saying that Mamika "should have told her herself" when she was FUCKING DYING from severe blood loss and multiple punctured organs. Let's see YOU relay a message in that state.
- Saying that characters are too trusting when they have no reason to be suspicious (and/or no choice but to be).
- Saying that the plot is not moving when it is. Saying that characters are not developed when they are.

This gets me every time. People watch something, don't bother to analyze or understand it properly and criticize it for what they interpret it to be or expect it to be instead of what it actually is.

The lack of empathy for any of the characters is astounding. Though, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, humans are capable of some of the most sickening acts after all. No kidding, I legitimately want to know what shows you people enjoy if this is "boring". Like any and all of these criticisms can be levied on pretty much any show. I guess shit taste will always be shit. Also, why people continue watching shows they dislike irrationally is beyond me. The oinking of masochist pigs in these forums is too much for me to bear.

Frankly if you have a problem with how some viewers see the characters in a fictional show then you got bigger problems on your hand. If you want to weep over dear Mamika's dead body be my guest, but you do realize that you are mourning over a swarm of pixelated coloured dots that are acting on a script written on a piece of paper. There are countless real world tragedies out there that are far more deserving of our time and attention. Personally I don't give a fig even if the writers just decided to kill off all the characters via a slow and painful death just for the lolz, I will just chalk it down as poor writing and a sadist writer.
And yes some people will continue to watch a show they consider boring because they would either like to see it to the very end regardless or just want to see how much more fun they can poke out of its inconsistencies and unrealistic situations. That is why many people watch fictional tv shows, we either integrate our imaginations into it or we superimpose our reality onto it for comparison. Its like watching a bad movie, we cringe at it but we don't just walk out the hall and leave.

Art is only art when in the eyes of a beholder that thinks it to be so. In the eyes of another it can just be junk. If you find this to be a good series, its your choice. But yours is just one opinion among many others.
Personally I feel that this series have much potential, but it just got lost among a clamor of other themes. Just like other series.

yes because i give a shit about a random person dying in the other side of the world... i don't watch news exactely cause i couldn't care less about strange people i'm never going to see...
also, while i'm annoyed by some of the recent episodes, i'm still not dropping it cause i think it will be more interesting later...
anyway if you can't care for anime then stop watching anime...saying we can't like a "pixelated character" is probably the most retarded thing to say on an anime forum...

See what I mean? Barely another series gone when one of the characters was scripted to die a horrible death (seriously who ever saw how Mamika was portrayed could have seen that right from the start, death flags aplenty) and people are already putting her image as their poster image and writing eulogies about her. And before this is over I will bet that half of them will be gushing over another character from another series that is killed ala Madoka style and then replacing that new character's images as their new wallpaper(hello guys at least show some loyalty to a character you are supposedly mourning for). And with this statements abound it seems that the original poster's real concern should not be whether people who lack empathy to anime characters lack empathy in real life, but whether people who emphasizes with anime characters fails to emphasizes with real life issues due to failure of understanding where fantasy ends and where reality begins.

An anime forum is where one can discuss anime shows and mangas. But nowhere did I see in the fine print that we have to sell our soul and worship whatever anime that is currently topping the "most viewed" charts.
And no where did I say that I did not enjoy watching anime, I merely stated that some people can enjoy watching anime for totally different reasons that are not main stream (mainly for poking fun and criticism)

As for me I am going to watch this anime for both, I like the idea of the series and its OST but I also enjoy comparing it to real life conditions and how the writers fails to explore more on certain topics that should have been addressed.

Though I should not expect much when dealing with diehard fanboys, for them its either you say that the series is the work of god or you are the devil reincarnated.

And you can like Mamika or whatever character that just so happens to capture your eyes for the next 5 mins, but just remember that as much as you are entitled to like her others are entitled to point out the flaws and ridiculousness of her portrayal.

well i'm not a diehard fan, i actually disliked a LOT of stuff on last episode and not just the death... starting by the chance of the blood falling on the crazy girl, or the knight trusting this crazy girl like that, and i didn't actually drop the anime this episode because i like the setting of anime characters on real world

but seeing you writing
- "mourning over a swarm of pixelated coloured dots that are acting on a script written on a piece of paper. There are countless real world tragedies out there "
- "as much as you are entitled to like her, others are entitled to point out the flaws and ridiculousness of her portrayal"

this 1st sentence was what i commented about, and this 2nd sentence is almost a contradiction to the 1st

also like i said before, i'm sorry but i rather like or dislike a character on an anime, that I've been watching for like 7 episodes and "managed to get my attention", then a random accident that killed 3 or 4 people on the other side of the world, that's like 95% of the news,

about my picture, i felt like changing the one that i had for like 4 months, to show that i disliked this death, it's not like i'll be unfaithful if i don't keep the picture forever, or so i think...(specially since the anime has 22 episodes, so will be like 4 months before it is over)

And how is my 2nd sentence a contradiction to the 1st ? Acknowledging that a character is fictional does not mean that one cannot review the character and give subsequent criticism of it.

The original poster states that if a viewer is not emotionally attached to a fictional character that he or she must lack empathy in real life.That is the most ridiculous claim I have ever heard, a person can emphasized with living people and not with fictional simply because they know which one actually matters.

And if you can simply discard news of people dying as "95% of the news" then people are also entailed to discard Mamika as a overused trope that entitles a cute and naive character been killed in the most heart wretching way possible which compromise over more than half the series nowadays. After all, she is just one of the many characters that come and go if we use your reasoning on how Mamika would stay on your mind for just 4 months at the least . Just like Madoka, SukaSuka and Tokyo Ghoul.......... please give me a break.

Viktor_OtakuJun 6, 2017 8:53 PM

Jun 6, 2017 11:42 PM

#194

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Kawai_nic said:
Here is a poem I've made in memory of our poor Magical Girl (It is in French cause I'm a French guy, so try to translate it whatever how, débrouillez-vous).

nice poem :) as dedication to the best girl and your favorite character. Applause :v
too bad i dont know french and even if i try google translate i will lose the meaning of a poem and rip rhymes too.

Jun 7, 2017 10:27 AM

#195

Ranxomare

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The Mahou girl died and the Knight woman want revenge!!!
This episode is to discover the black personality of this character, Magane!!!

Jun 7, 2017 11:00 AM

#196

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Was sad for Mamika death, but she was too naive in trusting Magane of all people, same with Alice easily believed that sociopath lies and now she wants to kill Meteora.

Was cool to see the Final Boss fight the High school girl. Until Alice arrived looking for Meteora.
If things get explained and they attack her, curious what Magane next move will be.

I'm starting to think that Sota is there just to cause problems.

Jun 7, 2017 2:28 PM

#197

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Hirugiku said:

Kawai_nic said:
Here is a poem I've made in memory of our poor Magical Girl (It is in French cause I'm a French guy, so try to translate it whatever how, débrouillez-vous).

nice poem :) as dedication to the best girl and your favorite character. Applause :v
too bad i dont know french and even if i try google translate i will lose the meaning of a poem and rip rhymes too.

Litteraly, it means (sorry if I lose rhymes)

Mamika
These words are written for you
My heart is full of grief
To see what was your disastrous fate
Nothing could make go my sadness
Deep inside me, my feelings hurt me
You were like a sun for me
I loved you, Mamika
You brought the light to my heart
But now without you I'm crying
We were not able to enjoy this time
Cause you were gone too early
It was short, but you enlightened my life
Now I pray for you
Rest in peace, we will all miss you
Goodbye my love, goodbye Mamika

Jun 8, 2017 8:45 AM

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firemagnet

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Eumesmonao said:

Ya! this is not a fact yet, altair really seems have invoked Selesia, But that's all.

In addition to Selesia, we have Episode 5 (Rui Kanoya), Meteora's testimony in Episode 2, Yuuya's hints in episode 3. Mamika's statment in Episode 2, as well. The method seems to change depending on the nature of the media, but we know that if there's an open "terminal" for viewing, Altair is able to force them out through it. I'll stand by this until it's proven otherwise, which seconds_to_dere hasn't definitively done.

Jun 8, 2017 4:25 PM

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Mamika RIP that High school girl is such a bitch lol.... She sure knows how to hate her dearly

Jun 8, 2017 10:02 PM

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JG_Wezz

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sigh... Alice just, takes Magane's word for it? The one she basically wanted to run through with her lance since they met? And attacks the most diplomatic of those she'd come across? I know Magane is supposed to be the "manipulative" one, but c'mon, she can be written better than this. I'd really enjoy her machinations if they weren't so damn simple-minded. At least Sota saw through it eventually, thank god.

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