Basic Mafia v7: Gakkou Gurashi! Mafia | Game Over

logic340 said:
@Grapefruit21 Purity isn't voting. It might be time to move your vote again?

Togs said:
There’s nothing wrong with one person sitting out of RVS but if too many people do it.. we never get anywhere >:V. Say what you will about how useful you think it is but every game starts with it for a reason, it’s just necessary

Vote Count 1.1
logic340 (1 vote): Gruffin (1), Grapefruit21 (4)
Fo (1 vote): Suzune-chan (2)
No Lynch (1 vote): logic340 (3)
Grapefruit (1 vote): Togs (5)
Astros (1 vote): Grapefruit21 (6)
Not Voting (10 players): AbuHumaid, Ruu, Wyndz, CorruptedPurity, aa-dono, Astros, Laby-Gaga, Rinto-kun, Fo, grrr

Inverted Tally
Gruffin: logic340 (1)
Suzune-chan: Fo (2)
logic340: No Lynch (3)
Grapefruit21: logic340 (4), Astros (6)
Togs: Grapefruit21 (5)

CorruptedPurity said:


Agree completely. I acknowledge the importance of RVS, I just don't like it. If too many sit it out, I'd vote one of them who sat it out, especially if they don't provide an explanation. Rip tenses.

CorruptedPurity said:
Morning.

Going to do my usual non-participation during RVS because the last time I broke tradition, I got killed N1.

Also, can I make a request to the doc and to a certain extent, the mafia to please let me live through night 1. I realized that out of the 4 non-mafia aligned games I played since I came back, I was the NK target for N1 75% of the time. Those games being Kitty mafia, Bungou mafia and Sailor Moon Mafia (I was saved but still was the N1 target). Even when I'm not, I am the night 2 target (Cult mafia). I have a high affinity to die early on in the game when I'm not mafia so thus this request for doc to please consider me as one of your saves for tonight. Also mafia, please la, lemme play past N1...

AbuHumaid said:
@Togs I'm sleepy right now it's late here, I'll see when i wake up

Astros said:
You're missing an S. RVS isn't all that useful without questioning and I don't plan to anytime soon.

logic340 said:
@Grapefruit21 Purity isn't voting. It might be time to move your vote again?

grrr said:
Feel yourself warned, especially penta.

grrr said:
I claim cop. I wouldnt but i suspect CP and i want to take docs protection away from him. If by any chance mafia have strong man, you will know tomorrow, lol.

grrr said:
I claim cop. I wouldnt but i suspect CP and i want to take docs protection away from him. If by any chance mafia have strong man, you will know tomorrow, lol.

Gruffin said:
So you feel strong enough suspicion to cop claim, but not enough to vote him?

Gruffin said:
So you feel strong enough suspicion to cop claim, but not enough to vote him?

Grapefruit21 said:

I'll bite, what makes you suspect CP strongly enough to out yourself?

Grapefruit21 said:
@togs is giving me a gut town read right now. But that's probably just for game theory I agree with more than behavior this game.

@CorruptedPurity getting killed early sucks, but I'm also slightly pinged by calling for Doc protects in a first post. You have to earn that. Just feels a bit icky even as I can feel your frustration.

Gruffin said:
So you feel strong enough suspicion to cop claim, but not enough to vote him?

grrr said:
Vote logic


I want to warn eveyone to be careful at locking the vote. If you lock the vote and them use some "but i was tryng my best and then i had my bad day and i dont know what happend. Also i am having the baby so i couldnt focus but i didnt mean it. Please belive in me" excuse, it isnt going to work on me. Feel yourself warned, especially penta.

grrr said:
I claim cop. I wouldnt but i suspect CP and i want to take docs protection away from him. If by any chance mafia have strong man, you will know tomorrow, lol.

Togs said:
Seems like we have similar mindsets, but funny that we see that same post from CP differently :V

Heh, this is kind of to be expected from Grrr imo, he's always played like this from my experiences with him.. He was town in those games though and I am not exactly sure if he does anything different at all as scum, I guess I probably have to read Kitty mafia sometime before the end of this game to get an idea of that .__.

logic340 said:
um...the way I read that is he wanted to take doc protection away from CP not that he suspected him much?

Where is the let things happen originally Gruffin at?

Grapefruit21 said:

Last time I did that I got unjustly accused of it being a salt vote. I'd like to avoid that fiasco again ;)

Plus Astros reasoning for not voting is weaker than CorruptedPurity's given reason. So the vote sticks.

Togs said:
Heh, this is kind of to be expected from Grrr imo, he's always played like this from my experiences with him.. He was town in those games though and I am not exactly sure if he does anything different at all as scum, I guess I probably have to read Kitty mafia sometime before the end of this game to get an idea of that .__.

Gruffin said:
@Grapefruit21 When you were talking about Purity's post, does "icky" mean scummy to you or does it mean you don't approve of it as a play?

Grapefruit21 said:
Mostly the later to be honest but was pretending to be the former to make them seem less Obv town for that post. I know CorruptedPurity is good at appealing to emotion and enjoys doing so as scum, but that felt town to me.

logic340 said:
Totally different situation and you know it..don't sit here and lie because you know how I feel about liars and it's too early to get me started.

You were accused of a salty lynch because that's what I felt it was. You wouldn't listen to reason and tried to lynched off bias from the previous game. You absolutely wouldn't be judged the sane here. Also to my understanding Astros never participates in RVS either so I'm not sure how Purity's reasoning I'd better in your eyes? Honestly sounds like BS given you prefaced with "I got accused of being salty last time".

Your position not voting RVS only flaired up recently what lead to this change in opinion? I ask cause I've only seen you take this stance as scum (iirc) though you wouldn't bus Qoco for doing it?

Gruffin said:
Oh interesting! Why would you want to make someone you felt was town seem less town?

Grapefruit21 said:
Where do I say I'm suspecting grrr? Or for that matter believing his claim? Yes he's known to make unorthodox plays and it should be taken with a grain of salt. But even with a whole salt shaker a cop claim is a game shaking event. And when it's explicit reason is because of suspicion of another player that needs to be followed up on. I can think of a bunch of reasons why grrr would make that play as town, and a few for scum, but I want to hear it from him. Not just have a bunch of people rush in and say "It's grrr you can't take it at face value" and proceed to ignore it. In Stray Dogs his D1 claim focus resulted in an almost entirely cleared logic on D2 or 3 whenever his claim was. But only because people interacted and asked questions.

So @logic340 I'd appreciate you stopping slinging mud in my direction. Yes I see multiple people not voting and I would love to vote all of them, well except CPurity because I've realized that's a lost cause... Yes I understand the way Grrr plays the game. Thanks.

CorruptedPurity said:
Compared to when I first started, I realized that meta reads are relevant in catching scum too (I blame Claire for influencing me). I don't like to dig up old worms but this seems relevant enough to mention. I prefer not to talk about the "salt vote" as it has no relevance but I do want to talk about Logic's and grape's meta of always being on each other's throats and I thought by now, they would have run out of things to argue about but logic's aggressiveness towards grape have not faded and that's a cause for concern, cause he's either playing a bad town game or maf. I'm not saying grape is off the hook, I still have a couple questions I wanna shoot at him later on, all I'm saying is that the aggression towards grape was not deserved and should be looked into.

CorruptedPurity said:
Compared to when I first started, I realized that meta reads are relevant in catching scum too (I blame Claire for influencing me). I don't like to dig up old worms but this seems relevant enough to mention. I prefer not to talk about the "salt vote" as it has no relevance but I do want to talk about Logic's and grape's meta of always being on each other's throats and I thought by now, they would have run out of things to argue about but logic's aggressiveness towards grape have not faded and that's a cause for concern, cause he's either playing a bad town game or maf. I'm not saying grape is off the hook, I still have a couple questions I wanna shoot at him later on, all I'm saying is that the aggression towards grape was not deserved and should be looked into.

logic340 said:
So I've gotten enough reaction from my No Lynch RVS I'm ready to move and I'm comfortable here.
vote: Grapefruit21
Your trying to look busy but I'm not getting any real scum hunting here
Your vote on me lacked pressure and it took literally nothing to get it moved.
Honestly out of the people who checked in and didn't vote AbuHumaid looks the worst but you're voting Astros?
Also my No Lynch RVS was a reaction test and I'm not pleased with yours.
If you thought it could be s reaction test why not ask your question and move on, so I can get more reactions from it? I don't know man that just didn't feel townie motivated to me?

All in all I'd say my Vote No Lynch plan was mildly successful.

Grapefruit21 said:

To play along with their attempt to not get an early NK. I had a very similar line of thought to what togs outlined, but given I don't think that sort of play is 100% kosher I decided to walk the line of not outright town reading it and working towards the stated goal of the post.

@CorruptedPurity alignment issues that you want to talk about? Or agression issues I need to drop? Because I know I had some of the latter and I'll try to do better.

@logic340 Sorry, I'm naturally argumentative and stubborn as a mule. I'll do better.

Grapefruit21 said:
To play along with their attempt to not get an early NK. I had a very similar line of thought to what togs outlined, but given I don't think that sort of play is 100% kosher I decided to walk the line of not outright town reading it and working towards the stated goal of the post.

CorruptedPurity said:


I've reread and reread this post many times as well as the respective responses but I just wanna highlight this. This feels hyper aggressive, look at the word choice: "and you know it..don't sit here and lie" it isn't a lie if he truly believes in it. Very accustional way of phrasing, just like this following one, "You wouldn't listen to reason and tried to lynched off bias from the previous game". Also, if I remember correctly, we all had bad memories of that game and decided to leave it in the past, why unravel those worms?

"You absolutely wouldn't be judged the sane here" Again very aggressive with words like Absolutely. While I do have some issues with grape's later posts, I think the raw aggression from logic towards grape gives me PTSD of Kitty mafia and Alcatraz, both of which was detrimental to town.

logic340 said:
if he flips scum this is a defense I'll look deeper into..I'm very warranted and we can go to if you like? I'm ready. What's so concerning about calling him out for what I feel is a bold lie and bad reasoning. Caught scum Qoco lying and no one wanted to listen then either...

Gruffin said:
Alrighty, got it. I'm a little afraid to ask for fear of encouraging more Kitty discussion, but Logic's post sounds to me like an emotional defense against old wounds. How is this aggression indicative of a scum mindset?
Got some things I need clarified:
1. Can you provide the posts you think he looks busy in?
2. Considering you had a similar vote on Kit in Fairy Tail (lacking pressure, easily moved), why is this a scum-motivated vote?

logic340 said:
and I think you've been reading too much into it. I think that you need to focus somewhere else and let me do me as I normally do because I'm nowhere near as aggressive as I've been in the past and you never came at me like this to start a game before it's raising an eyebrow now honestly making me think if one of you or grapefruit flips scum I'm definitely looking at the other one.

I absolutely believe it's a lie so should i keep that to myself. You eye the I've ego termed it a salty lynch and now you defend it? It was the wrist reasoning and you know it I don't even understand this post to be honest?

logic340 said:
and I think you've been reading too much into it. I think that you need to focus somewhere else and let me do me as I normally do because I'm nowhere near as aggressive as I've been in the past and you never came at me like this to start a game before it's raising an eyebrow now honestly making me think if one of you or grapefruit flips scum I'm definitely looking at the other one.

I absolutely believe it's a lie so should i keep that to myself. You eye the I've ego termed it a salty lynch and now you defend it? It was the wrist reasoning and you know it I don't even understand this post to be honest?

CorruptedPurity said:

Are you refering to Qoco being zombie? Cause a gentle reminder that I caught and started the train first, the only reason why I diverted is cause of the lie. You're good at catching lies, but lies doesn't always mean scum. Doctors lie and claim VT or other stuff if caught visiting, doesn't mean he's scum. Furthermore, I don't think what grapefruit said was a lie, it was just a bad opinion if not anything else. I cant go into a deep arguement with you now cause lecture is about to start but I'll be here in 3hrs to answer any questions.

grrr said:
I claim cop. I wouldnt but i suspect CP and i want to take docs protection away from him. If by any chance mafia have strong man, you will know tomorrow, lol.

logic340 said:
why are you even bringing that up that game has nothing to do with anything that I just said. You were part of the conversation in stray dogs when I caught him lying so why does Castle Panic have anything to do with this? Feel like you're trying to make me look bad in your post rather than actually read what I say and respond to me in a way that lets you figure me out.