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May 22, 2017 11:39 AM
#1251
logic340 said: Activity this phase has left me feeling uncomfortable with this Vote Count. I really wanted Ruu, Suzune, and Zymf to talk about their views on Wyndz? I was hoping that Suzune and Zymf would chat with me more about our reads on Wyndz? I was hoping Ruu would be active. Her activity this phase amounts to fishing and shaming? Wish that someone would respond to an ISO or my and RE's interactions from our neighbor chat? Ill look into your re1 chat after phase change when i can just sit down and read it. |
May 22, 2017 11:40 AM
#1252
WyNdZ said: @logic340 - Thanks for posting those logs b/w you and RE. Really gave me a new perspective, made me think of things that I didn't even consider before. Also I'm feeling like RE is leaning towards a town read now due to recent posts but I have to go back and check again. If I consider RE to be a town read then basically the people who I don't have a town read on are Ruu Shinichi Crossbell Both Shinichi and Crossbell I have a kind of neutral or slightly leaning town read. They've both not done anything that makes me think is scummy behaviour but I'm finding it difficult to read them that I wouldn't be surprised if they flip scum. Now the problem with this is that Shinichi seems to be strongly for voting on Ruu which makes me think they're not on the same side. That means either 1)Ruu and Crossbell are both mafia (seems unlikely though) 2)Shinichi and Crossbell are mafia (but my vote is on Ruu so that means I'm voting on the wrong person) 3)My reads are off and someone from my town reads is a mafia Number 2 is slightly wrong because ill vote cross to stop a tie. |
May 22, 2017 11:41 AM
#1253
WyNdZ said: Agreed we can wait until after the phase change to discuss our thoughts on the subject. logic340 said: I know a lot of you have a town read on Suzune's slot but the bolded right here bothers me. Only reason I have a town read on Melanoid (Suzune) is due to Mel voting on Abu and Abu voting on Mel. Also the fact that the two trains both being on mafia on day 1 seems very unlikely. I remember we were in a deadlock of 2 votes on many people, abu could have voted on anyone else but he voted on Abu. I'm personally not fond on either Mel's or Suzune's posts. Up till this point I have left it up to being a difference in way of thinking and playstyle as the above reasons seem like a pretty good reason to consider them town. Your discussion about Suzu possibly being third party with RE intrigued me. Made me look at Suzu speaking about the tpr most likely being the survivor in a different light. I intended to talk about this after the day was over though because for now we should focus on lynching. |
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May 22, 2017 11:42 AM
#1254
WyNdZ said: @Shinichi-kun - I know you think Ruu is scum but I want to know what you feel about Crossbell. I feel like hes done stuff that i consider both scummy and town aligned. Seeing as how we only have 20 mins i cant go pull out examples. It's like i said before i rather ruu because i actually scum read her, while i only find a few of crossbells actions scummy. |
May 22, 2017 11:45 AM
#1255
Shinichi-Kun said: Why can't you I did a whole ISO with every post here it is.WyNdZ said: @Shinichi-kun - I know you think Ruu is scum but I want to know what you feel about Crossbell. I feel like hes done stuff that i consider both scummy and town aligned. Seeing as how we only have 20 mins i cant go pull out examples. It's like i said before i rather ruu because i actually scum read her, while i only find a few of crossbells actions scummy. logic340 said: Crossbell: Day 1: #95 - Catching up #97 - Asks Shinichi a few questions about what he's trying to accomplish by pressuring Rosie. Says don't answer until Rosie does. Asks Rosie why she is voting for Grapefruit. Says he isn't comfortable with people asking for Peeker information right off the bat. Votes RE and asks a few questions. #99 - Says due to the nature of the setup he knows that mechanics discussion will happen but asks if we can keep it to a minimum. Says it's a great place for scum to hide at. #100 - Asks Ruu why zymf's vote on Wyndz isn't scummy and asks if she thinks there could be scum on the train? #112 - Tells Shinichi that maybe he should have thrown out a naked vote to get a look at reactions. Says he is confused as to why he announced it was pressure as that seems to take away said pressure. Says he isn't putting a vote on Rosie for now and asks what that means. Asks how logic is acting behaviorally townie. #129 - Asks Shinichi why he is so concerned with the way he will be perceived. Asks if he knows anyone on the Wyndz train who would ask for that information as scum? Thanks him for logic stuff. Tells RE that Wyndz should reveal later in the game as that information will be more valuable later on. #130 - Tells Ruu that is a stance he takes on early RVS trains as there is usually scum there. He is liking Wyndz so far. Tells RE that it fulfills a scum agenda as they wont have to vote or pressure confirmed town and we lose on interactions. #131 - 3am he's going to sleep. #201 - Catching up #235 - Been walking around MIT all day will try to catch up hopefully. #241 - Tells Abu that D1 is the most important day of the game so why does he feel there is nothing much to say. Asks why he doesn't want to "not vote" #242 - Asks melanoid if they want Wyndz to reveal then plan to immediately lynchhim. #243 - Thanks him for reading and acknowledging his post. (OoG post) #244 - Tells RE the information is better left for later as we will get interactions. Says he is hitting the same point with RE, will go back and re-read her. Unvotes. #247 - Tells Melanoid we want to lynch mafia not lynch for information. #249 - Says this vote count will never catch a wolf. Says we have no momentum and no wagons. He is going to look at zymf seems that wagon can bear fruit. #251 - Says there is so much mechanics discussion on page 4 which is what he hoped wouldn't happen. #253 - Votes Zymf says he wouldn't be opposed to voting Abu either. Says Zymf catch up style reminds him of his scum game. Questions logic as to why he isn't tunneling him. #254 - Tells Melanoid again the goal is to lynch mafia not confirm own. #263 - Asks logic to show where Rosie is being less fluffy than usual. Says he is gun shy on Rosei since she is exhibiting the same behavior that got her mislynched in Kitty mafia. #264 - Going to dive into logic's t/s list tomorrow. There are a few things he doesn't agree with asks Rosie if she doesn't have a good read on logic why isn't she taking the steps to make one. #372 - Unvotes #376 - Says he is catching up on mobile. Wants people on zymf train to be looked at including himself. Reiterates that he feels this vote count will not catch a wolf. #388 - Asks Togs if we can get an extension. #392 - He's still on mobile and can't do analysis. #393 - Says he wants an extension because he is selfish and will not be around for phase change. #397 - Response to Togs saying no to an extension. #403 - Says he has been inactive because he was on vacation. He will try to be more active day 2 #425 - Says he's not confident I this vote but votes Abu. He's not voting logic or Wydz. He could vote Mela but he doesn't like to vote ew players D1. That leaves Abu who OMGUS mela. #465 - Crosses fingers hopes that Abu flips scum. Night 1: #472 - "YESSSSSSS" I response to the Abu flip. #493 - Happy that we bagged scum. He will try to be more active D2 Day 2: #782 - Just got back from log plane ride. He's catching up. He watched Zymf last night. #797 - Asks if scum!Ruu NK yurkin after pointing out their inactivity only to kill them. Says he doesn't feel it's a savvy scum play since it's killing a potential mislynch. Slight town lean on Ruu for this. #799 - Also thinks that Melanoid is likely town due to vote count since dueling scum trains is rare in his experience. #800 - Says that even though logic voted for Mela he feels his post 540-547 show him adapting to the game state rather than pushing an agenda. Also doesn't think scum logic and Abu vote together on mela together. Says it seems he is misguided rather than working with a scum buddy. #801 - Loving logic's Shinichi ISO. He'll dive in deeper when he gets a chance. They way he went through the entire thing, laid out thoughts I a transparent manner, and followed up with questions makes him confident this is town logic. #803 - Says that we should lynch Rosie today and not let the possibility of neutrals shouldn't keep us from lynching scum. #804 - Tells logic that he's here and will try to e more active now that he is back. Asks logic I a world where Abu ad Rosie are partners who is the last. #805 - Asks logic for his thoughts on #797 Ruu NK analysis. Says he knows relying on NK analysis is sketchy but doesn't think it's a play Ruu to do as scum. #807 - Says Rosie's posts feel like she is going into anti spew mode. #809 - Says he's made it to where Rosie claimed neutral and feels she's still worth lynching. #814 - Tells logic he will try to be more active tomorrow. He doesn't want to use IRL as an excuse but the game started at the wrong time for him. #815 - Finished catching up going to look at Abu's interactions ad see what he can find. #818 - Tells Ruu that she fooled him in FFXV mafia before she survived out. #821 - Says yes she replaced out but Ruu had him fooled to the point he defended her. #822 - Shares his thoughts about Abu's interactions. #823 - Read list #970 - Asks logic if he can answer his question about Ruu's as mafia. Even with the reasoning for mela's vote on Abu he still thinks he is town. Tells wen he meat scum chat. #975 - Says RE's plan makes him reconsider his read as he doesn't think mafia offer their Double Vote in this manner. Tells RE why he watched Zymf and says he didn't read anything during the night phase. #977 - Tells RE we shouldn't we should focus on to find the remain mafia member. Says he thinks we may have got a lot of clears off the Abu train and has been trying to solve the game that way. #980 - Says lets break things down. #984 - Votes Rosie Night 2: #1063 - ?????? says why would Rosie claim neutral? He doesn't understand #1070 - Asks Ruu to explain her read on logic as he is Cross's strongest tow read and Ruu hasn't really proved why she feels that way. Day 3: #1168 - Says he's catching up "lets see if I can crack the game open today." #1169 - Says he is going to leave it a mystery as to who he watched or if he even did, let scum drink wine. Tells logic that he doesn't have any idea why Rosie would claim 3rd party and her actions makes it hard to get anything out of D2. RE and Ruu are both in his PoE so he want's to look at them today. #1170 - Asks RE for her reasoning for her vote o Crossbell. #1171 - Says this is his view on the game state and feels someone is pocketing him but wen's flip makes him feel like his reads may not be too far off. Says he is town as he struggles to prove it. Says logic and zymf are town, gun to his head Wyndz is deep wolf. Says this leaves him with Shinichi/Ruu/RE easy world 2/3, scum med world 1/3, hard world 0/3 scum. Ruu unnerves him, RE least scumm (?), Shinichi is there ecuase he hasn't taken many solid stances. Asks Shinichi what his read on him is, who he wans to lynch and why, and who he thinks is town. Says he is asking because in 23 pages he didn't really get anything. #1172 - Tells RE that he doesm't have any solid reads, just did a break down of how he feels about the game state but says it's in flux due to not being very engaged in the thread. #1233 - Asks Shinichi why he hasn't questioned him if he fids him strange. Asks what Ruu's strange behavior means for her alignment. Asks Suzune if she will answer his questions. #1234 - Scratch that as he didn't see Suzune's response. Thoughts: #264 - Never did follow up on his before switching to town reading me. Which makes me uncomfortable. #425 - Votes Abu in this post. I know Crossbell will bus but when I have see him do it, it has been in situations where he ca pocket town and truly gain town cred. ex, 1 CCL he started the train on Shinichi early ad pushed it through ex. grrr bussed grrr early in a way that lead town to believe that grrr and Crossbell couldn't be partners. Don't see this vote as doing that for him, which makes me think it may actually be town Crosbell and not scum Crossbred busting? #797 - Not sure if this is him trying to look busy or sort Ruu. I didn't originally consider that he could also b trying to sort me as well by asking this as well? Would like to hear others opinions. #801 - Looking back I kind of wish he would have went into detail about what he liked. I felt this post could be a pocket maneuver so I questioned him about it. Sill not sure how I feel though this matter though? #805 - I like that he followed up since I hadn't answered his question. As scum I feel like he could have let it ride but here he is calling attention to it once again. #975 - He only has 2 posts Night 2 both before Zymf started talking about jailing Crossell. He didn't post again until well in to D2. This may e true but I dot think is says much for his alignment? #984 - Second to last to vote Rosie. Not sure it's telling give how things went down yesterday? #1168 - When I go tunnel mode on him this statement is made to reinforce the idea he's town. Same argument as in my Ruu case maybe he's trying to convince not only us but himself? #1169 - I kind of like this but I still think it could come from scum. #1233 - I think I like this? Shinichi has been pretty standoffish with me on his view of Crossbell so it's good to see him taking the initiative here? A lot of catch up posts not saying they are Alignment Indicative but they are reminiscent of Kitty Mafia but other than that vibe I am not sure I am seeing scum Crossbell. That being said I am not confident enough to move him higher than neutral and he remains in my PoE. Questions for @Crossbell: I have none for you at the moments as I feel you've been fairly transparent with me. I would like others to weigh in. |
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May 22, 2017 11:46 AM
#1256
@Shinichi-kun I am willing to go either way lets make a decision and stick with it? |
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May 22, 2017 11:47 AM
#1257
π« Vote Count 3.6 π« π₯ π₯ Ruu π₯ π₯ (4): π° WyNdZ, Shinichi-kun, Crossbell, logic340 π° π£ Crossbell π£ (3): π° RE1031, Ruu, Zymf π° π£ RE1031 π£ (1): π° Suzune-chan π° π± Not Voting π± ~ π€ Role Index π€ Camoflagued Egg [Watcher] - Crossbell Fullmetal Egg [Jailer] - Zymf Golden Egg [Lightning Rod] - AbuHumaid Explosive Egg [Bomb] - Oyasumi_Rosie Occult Egg [Peeker] - Wyndz Duckling Egg [Neighborizerr] - Logic340 Sparkling Egg [Reloader] - Yurkin Royal Egg [Doublevoter] - Re1031 Spooky Egg [Amnesiac] - Shinichi-kun Decorative Egg [Artist] - wen294 Oeuf Suprême [Chef] - Suzune-chan Green Egg and Ham [Egg Thrower] - Ruu >>Day 3 Timer<< |
TogsMay 22, 2017 11:58 AM
May 22, 2017 11:56 AM
#1258
Fine, let's do this. vote: Ruu If Ruu flips town, Crossbell will have some explaining to do. Like it'll come down between me and Shinichi, and in the ideal world so he says, both of us will have to be scum. And I know I'm town. I look forward to his explanation. If she flips scum, awesome. |
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May 22, 2017 11:57 AM
#1259
Please let this be scum #2. Interaction analysis will go such a long way. |
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May 22, 2017 11:57 AM
#1260
RE1031 said: Can you link me the post where Crossbell said that?Fine, let's do this. vote: Ruu If Ruu flips town, Crossbell will have some explaining to do. Like it'll come down between me and Shinichi, and in the ideal world so he says, both of us will have to be scum. And I know I'm town. I look forward to his explanation. If she flips scum, awesome. |
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May 22, 2017 11:59 AM
#1261
sounds good |
May 22, 2017 11:59 AM
#1262
logic340 said: RE1031 said: Can you link me the post where Crossbell said that?Fine, let's do this. vote: Ruu If Ruu flips town, Crossbell will have some explaining to do. Like it'll come down between me and Shinichi, and in the ideal world so he says, both of us will have to be scum. And I know I'm town. I look forward to his explanation. If she flips scum, awesome. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1614195&show=1300#msg50830075 Well he didn't say ideal... But if the pile is me shinichi ruu and ruu is town, it only leaves us two |
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May 22, 2017 12:00 PM
#1264
logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Why can't you I did a whole ISO with every post here it is.WyNdZ said: @Shinichi-kun - I know you think Ruu is scum but I want to know what you feel about Crossbell. I feel like hes done stuff that i consider both scummy and town aligned. Seeing as how we only have 20 mins i cant go pull out examples. It's like i said before i rather ruu because i actually scum read her, while i only find a few of crossbells actions scummy. logic340 said: Crossbell: Day 1: #95 - Catching up #97 - Asks Shinichi a few questions about what he's trying to accomplish by pressuring Rosie. Says don't answer until Rosie does. Asks Rosie why she is voting for Grapefruit. Says he isn't comfortable with people asking for Peeker information right off the bat. Votes RE and asks a few questions. #99 - Says due to the nature of the setup he knows that mechanics discussion will happen but asks if we can keep it to a minimum. Says it's a great place for scum to hide at. #100 - Asks Ruu why zymf's vote on Wyndz isn't scummy and asks if she thinks there could be scum on the train? #112 - Tells Shinichi that maybe he should have thrown out a naked vote to get a look at reactions. Says he is confused as to why he announced it was pressure as that seems to take away said pressure. Says he isn't putting a vote on Rosie for now and asks what that means. Asks how logic is acting behaviorally townie. #129 - Asks Shinichi why he is so concerned with the way he will be perceived. Asks if he knows anyone on the Wyndz train who would ask for that information as scum? Thanks him for logic stuff. Tells RE that Wyndz should reveal later in the game as that information will be more valuable later on. #130 - Tells Ruu that is a stance he takes on early RVS trains as there is usually scum there. He is liking Wyndz so far. Tells RE that it fulfills a scum agenda as they wont have to vote or pressure confirmed town and we lose on interactions. #131 - 3am he's going to sleep. #201 - Catching up #235 - Been walking around MIT all day will try to catch up hopefully. #241 - Tells Abu that D1 is the most important day of the game so why does he feel there is nothing much to say. Asks why he doesn't want to "not vote" #242 - Asks melanoid if they want Wyndz to reveal then plan to immediately lynchhim. #243 - Thanks him for reading and acknowledging his post. (OoG post) #244 - Tells RE the information is better left for later as we will get interactions. Says he is hitting the same point with RE, will go back and re-read her. Unvotes. #247 - Tells Melanoid we want to lynch mafia not lynch for information. #249 - Says this vote count will never catch a wolf. Says we have no momentum and no wagons. He is going to look at zymf seems that wagon can bear fruit. #251 - Says there is so much mechanics discussion on page 4 which is what he hoped wouldn't happen. #253 - Votes Zymf says he wouldn't be opposed to voting Abu either. Says Zymf catch up style reminds him of his scum game. Questions logic as to why he isn't tunneling him. #254 - Tells Melanoid again the goal is to lynch mafia not confirm own. #263 - Asks logic to show where Rosie is being less fluffy than usual. Says he is gun shy on Rosei since she is exhibiting the same behavior that got her mislynched in Kitty mafia. #264 - Going to dive into logic's t/s list tomorrow. There are a few things he doesn't agree with asks Rosie if she doesn't have a good read on logic why isn't she taking the steps to make one. #372 - Unvotes #376 - Says he is catching up on mobile. Wants people on zymf train to be looked at including himself. Reiterates that he feels this vote count will not catch a wolf. #388 - Asks Togs if we can get an extension. #392 - He's still on mobile and can't do analysis. #393 - Says he wants an extension because he is selfish and will not be around for phase change. #397 - Response to Togs saying no to an extension. #403 - Says he has been inactive because he was on vacation. He will try to be more active day 2 #425 - Says he's not confident I this vote but votes Abu. He's not voting logic or Wydz. He could vote Mela but he doesn't like to vote ew players D1. That leaves Abu who OMGUS mela. #465 - Crosses fingers hopes that Abu flips scum. Night 1: #472 - "YESSSSSSS" I response to the Abu flip. #493 - Happy that we bagged scum. He will try to be more active D2 Day 2: #782 - Just got back from log plane ride. He's catching up. He watched Zymf last night. #797 - Asks if scum!Ruu NK yurkin after pointing out their inactivity only to kill them. Says he doesn't feel it's a savvy scum play since it's killing a potential mislynch. Slight town lean on Ruu for this. #799 - Also thinks that Melanoid is likely town due to vote count since dueling scum trains is rare in his experience. #800 - Says that even though logic voted for Mela he feels his post 540-547 show him adapting to the game state rather than pushing an agenda. Also doesn't think scum logic and Abu vote together on mela together. Says it seems he is misguided rather than working with a scum buddy. #801 - Loving logic's Shinichi ISO. He'll dive in deeper when he gets a chance. They way he went through the entire thing, laid out thoughts I a transparent manner, and followed up with questions makes him confident this is town logic. #803 - Says that we should lynch Rosie today and not let the possibility of neutrals shouldn't keep us from lynching scum. #804 - Tells logic that he's here and will try to e more active now that he is back. Asks logic I a world where Abu ad Rosie are partners who is the last. #805 - Asks logic for his thoughts on #797 Ruu NK analysis. Says he knows relying on NK analysis is sketchy but doesn't think it's a play Ruu to do as scum. #807 - Says Rosie's posts feel like she is going into anti spew mode. #809 - Says he's made it to where Rosie claimed neutral and feels she's still worth lynching. #814 - Tells logic he will try to be more active tomorrow. He doesn't want to use IRL as an excuse but the game started at the wrong time for him. #815 - Finished catching up going to look at Abu's interactions ad see what he can find. #818 - Tells Ruu that she fooled him in FFXV mafia before she survived out. #821 - Says yes she replaced out but Ruu had him fooled to the point he defended her. #822 - Shares his thoughts about Abu's interactions. #823 - Read list #970 - Asks logic if he can answer his question about Ruu's as mafia. Even with the reasoning for mela's vote on Abu he still thinks he is town. Tells wen he meat scum chat. #975 - Says RE's plan makes him reconsider his read as he doesn't think mafia offer their Double Vote in this manner. Tells RE why he watched Zymf and says he didn't read anything during the night phase. #977 - Tells RE we shouldn't we should focus on to find the remain mafia member. Says he thinks we may have got a lot of clears off the Abu train and has been trying to solve the game that way. #980 - Says lets break things down. #984 - Votes Rosie Night 2: #1063 - ?????? says why would Rosie claim neutral? He doesn't understand #1070 - Asks Ruu to explain her read on logic as he is Cross's strongest tow read and Ruu hasn't really proved why she feels that way. Day 3: #1168 - Says he's catching up "lets see if I can crack the game open today." #1169 - Says he is going to leave it a mystery as to who he watched or if he even did, let scum drink wine. Tells logic that he doesn't have any idea why Rosie would claim 3rd party and her actions makes it hard to get anything out of D2. RE and Ruu are both in his PoE so he want's to look at them today. #1170 - Asks RE for her reasoning for her vote o Crossbell. #1171 - Says this is his view on the game state and feels someone is pocketing him but wen's flip makes him feel like his reads may not be too far off. Says he is town as he struggles to prove it. Says logic and zymf are town, gun to his head Wyndz is deep wolf. Says this leaves him with Shinichi/Ruu/RE easy world 2/3, scum med world 1/3, hard world 0/3 scum. Ruu unnerves him, RE least scumm (?), Shinichi is there ecuase he hasn't taken many solid stances. Asks Shinichi what his read on him is, who he wans to lynch and why, and who he thinks is town. Says he is asking because in 23 pages he didn't really get anything. #1172 - Tells RE that he doesm't have any solid reads, just did a break down of how he feels about the game state but says it's in flux due to not being very engaged in the thread. #1233 - Asks Shinichi why he hasn't questioned him if he fids him strange. Asks what Ruu's strange behavior means for her alignment. Asks Suzune if she will answer his questions. #1234 - Scratch that as he didn't see Suzune's response. Thoughts: #264 - Never did follow up on his before switching to town reading me. Which makes me uncomfortable. #425 - Votes Abu in this post. I know Crossbell will bus but when I have see him do it, it has been in situations where he ca pocket town and truly gain town cred. ex, 1 CCL he started the train on Shinichi early ad pushed it through ex. grrr bussed grrr early in a way that lead town to believe that grrr and Crossbell couldn't be partners. Don't see this vote as doing that for him, which makes me think it may actually be town Crosbell and not scum Crossbred busting? #797 - Not sure if this is him trying to look busy or sort Ruu. I didn't originally consider that he could also b trying to sort me as well by asking this as well? Would like to hear others opinions. #801 - Looking back I kind of wish he would have went into detail about what he liked. I felt this post could be a pocket maneuver so I questioned him about it. Sill not sure how I feel though this matter though? #805 - I like that he followed up since I hadn't answered his question. As scum I feel like he could have let it ride but here he is calling attention to it once again. #975 - He only has 2 posts Night 2 both before Zymf started talking about jailing Crossell. He didn't post again until well in to D2. This may e true but I dot think is says much for his alignment? #984 - Second to last to vote Rosie. Not sure it's telling give how things went down yesterday? #1168 - When I go tunnel mode on him this statement is made to reinforce the idea he's town. Same argument as in my Ruu case maybe he's trying to convince not only us but himself? #1169 - I kind of like this but I still think it could come from scum. #1233 - I think I like this? Shinichi has been pretty standoffish with me on his view of Crossbell so it's good to see him taking the initiative here? A lot of catch up posts not saying they are Alignment Indicative but they are reminiscent of Kitty Mafia but other than that vibe I am not sure I am seeing scum Crossbell. That being said I am not confident enough to move him higher than neutral and he remains in my PoE. Questions for @Crossbell: I have none for you at the moments as I feel you've been fairly transparent with me. I would like others to weigh in. Cool i can use this |
May 22, 2017 12:00 PM
#1265
π« Day 3 Final Votecount π« π₯ π₯ Ruu π₯ π₯ (5): π° WyNdZ, Shinichi-kun, Crossbell, logic340, RE1031 π° π£ Crossbell π£ (2): π° Ruu, Zymf π° π£ RE1031 π£ (1): π° Suzune-chan π° π± Not Voting π± ~ π€ Role Index π€ Camoflagued Egg [Watcher] - Crossbell Fullmetal Egg [Jailer] - Zymf Golden Egg [Lightning Rod] - AbuHumaid Explosive Egg [Bomb] - Oyasumi_Rosie Occult Egg [Peeker] - Wyndz Duckling Egg [Neighborizerr] - Logic340 Sparkling Egg [Reloader] - Yurkin Royal Egg [Doublevoter] - Re1031 Spooky Egg [Amnesiac] - Shinichi-kun Decorative Egg [Artist] - wen294 Oeuf Suprême [Chef] - Suzune-chan Green Egg and Ham [Egg Thrower] - Ruu >>Day 3 Timer<< |
May 22, 2017 12:01 PM
#1266
Ruu has been lynched. She was a: Green Egg and Ham Role: Egg Thrower Ability: [Day Active, 1-shot] Target another player to make their name show up in green in all votecounts and mod posts for the rest of the phase. (This ability has no other effect) It is now Night 3. Deadline is 24 hours form this post, on May 23rd at 7:00 PM GMT. Please send in all Night actions to BOTH @Togs and @Jackrito if possible. >>Night 3 Timer<< |
May 22, 2017 12:01 PM
#1267
May 22, 2017 12:02 PM
#1268
Shinichi-Kun said: shrug ruu why u gotta act so scummy if in the end u were jsut town. Behavior wise she was scum smh |
May 22, 2017 12:02 PM
#1269
RE1031 said: Ah I see what you are saying. Easy world leaves you and Shinichi as the scum team if Ruu flips town? I would never suspect you and Shinichi of being teammates this game with the way he has been towards you. logic340 said: RE1031 said: Fine, let's do this. vote: Ruu If Ruu flips town, Crossbell will have some explaining to do. Like it'll come down between me and Shinichi, and in the ideal world so he says, both of us will have to be scum. And I know I'm town. I look forward to his explanation. If she flips scum, awesome. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1614195&show=1300#msg50830075 Well he didn't say ideal... But if the pile is me shinichi ruu and ruu is town, it only leaves us two |
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May 22, 2017 12:03 PM
#1270
As expected.. Sigh. Well I'll be waiting for that explanation @Crossbell |
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May 22, 2017 12:03 PM
#1271
Shinichi-Kun said: WTF....This is quite disappointing. It's like all the wind has been taken out of our sails. shrug ruu why u gotta act so scummy if in the end u were jsut town. |
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May 22, 2017 12:09 PM
#1272
Shinichi-Kun said: shrug ruu why u gotta act so scummy if in the end u were jsut town. I trust you'll be voting for Crossbell tomorrow? |
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May 22, 2017 12:14 PM
#1273
RE1031 said: Shinichi-Kun said: shrug ruu why u gotta act so scummy if in the end u were jsut town. I trust you'll be voting for Crossbell tomorrow? Pretty much |
May 22, 2017 12:15 PM
#1274
logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: WTF....This is quite disappointing. It's like all the wind has been taken out of our sails. shrug ruu why u gotta act so scummy if in the end u were jsut town. Idk why people choose to do anti town stuff as town why give us reasons to scum read them when they're town. |
May 22, 2017 12:18 PM
#1275
Shinichi-Kun said: RE1031 said: Shinichi-Kun said: shrug ruu why u gotta act so scummy if in the end u were jsut town. I trust you'll be voting for Crossbell tomorrow? Pretty much That was a trick question darn. |
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May 22, 2017 12:20 PM
#1276
RIP ME. YOU CAN'T HAVE A GAME WITHOUT A GRRR ANTI TOWN PLAYER. THIS WILL SHOW YOU I'M SCUMMY BY NATURE LOL. GOOD LUCK GUYS ! |
May 22, 2017 12:32 PM
#1277
May 22, 2017 12:34 PM
#1278
WyNdZ said: *Sigh* What a disappointment. I'm not gonna make any excuses, I carefully considered both options and felt like Ruu was the better choice to lynch. I voted and stuck by my decision till the end but it was the wrong decision. Shinichi-Kun said: Shinichi-Kun said: shrug ruu why u gotta act so scummy if in the end u were jsut town. Behavior wise she was scum smh There's no point in saying this though. Ruu even said not to listen to anyone who says such stuff. We all made a decision so we'll have to deal with the consequences now. Ik ik just let me vent my fustrations :( |
May 22, 2017 3:20 PM
#1279
Shinichi-Kun said: I was thinking about this as well. Hopefully it's not a situation we find ourselves in? Worst case scenario we are in mylo. Good thing is we don't have to deal with lynch lock and scum piling on an errant vote. I do hope that in this situation we will all try to be around (if possible) to ensure no last minute shenanigans take place.If crossbell does decide to give information next phase we have to be very careful when reading into it. |
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May 22, 2017 5:42 PM
#1280
Aww.. another mislynch x.x I would have loved to be Logic's neighbor right now so we could discuss who I should jail tonight or if I should jail someone at all. logic340 said: I think that WyNdZ and Crossbell are possible scumbuddies and I've felt like that for long. If it happens to be true, I'll honestly be quite impressed.Two questions: If Crossbell flips town what does that tell you about Wyndz? If Crossbell flips scum what does that tell you about Wyndz? All Crossbell did on Day 1 was to discourage mechanical discussion and defend WyNdZ. But he didn't defend WyNdZ in a straightforward clearly scummy way - Instead he was trying to throw suspicion on the people that had asked WyNdZ to reveal the confirmed town early. If WyNdZ and Crossbell are scum together, they clearly planned the whole confirmed townie reveal together. Crossbell said: I am kind of nervous about the people asking Wyndz about who the confirmed townie is. In my mind, the best way to use that sort of role (one random cop check on a townie) is to reveal who it is when that townie gets pressured or is run up, so that we can use that information to catch overeager scum on the wagon. RE and Zymf trying to fish that information out of Wyndz even before they've posted feels like an attempt to figure out who a confirmed townie is so that they don't have to pressure them, and it doesn't sit well with me. Vote RE1031 Hi. 1. Why do you want to fish the confirmed townie information out of Wyndz, even before they have even posted? 2. All of your posts are about mechanics so far. When can I expect you to get down and dirty with behavioral analysis? Crossbell said: Ruu said: Why is it not? I am curious to hear your reasoning.- Zymf voted for a person that already had two votes. And I like it (weird I know because I usually think of this as scummy but I learned from experience that it is not ) Three people voted for Wyndz. Do you think there could be scum between any of them? Crossbell said: Shinichi said: How is logic acting behaviorally townie? Quote posts.Behaviorly hes acting pretty townish, but it could also just be pocketing my reasoning on why wyz shouldnt out the revealed townie. Crossbell said: RE1031 said: Let's say Wyndz is town - if he gets night killed before revealing who the confirmed townie is, then we may waste future phases debating whether that townie is scum or not, and that would be annoying. Yeah it's a slim possibility, but why hold off on revealing information we want to learn eventually? It would indeed be annoying, which is why I think that Wyndz should reveal his target probably during the Night/close to Night deadline or when that person is run up. It just felt strange that IMMEDIATELY (on post 19) you wanted Wyndz to reveal his target. Like, we aren't even out of the opening phases yet and you posted that. I'm interested as to why you were so eager to know, so early in the game. Crossbell said: Ruu said: Yep, that's the stance I take with early wagons - more often than not I support them because there's always at least one scum amongst a wagon with, say, five players in it. NAI is the right word for it, I think.@Crossbell what I meant to say was that its NAI - creating 3-votes trains early on can be good and it doesn't mean the person is scummy for joining the train. Also I want to see how Wy reacts and if the other players go along, relax... you can get a lot of reads from a simple rvs train. I'm liking what Wyndz is posting so far? His posts feel kind of Lack of Guile where he's sort of focused on his role, but it makes sense for him to do so if he's town because he doesn't have any sort of special ability. RE1031 said: It's something that fulfills a scum agenda. If the scum know who the confirmed town is, right off the bat, then they won't pressure/vote that person. However, if they don't know, then they could pressure or vote that person. If Wyndz reveals that person to be town, then we've just gained a lot of information. It's why I'm suspicious of you trying to pressure Wyndz to reveal his target immediately.Also, can you expand on this? Do you mean that it's something scummy to do, or something lazy? Crossbell said: Melanoid said: So let me get this straight. with that being said, I'm up for lynching the Occult right after he reveals his information just so we can get a clear town if occult flips town. Hopefully jailkeeper would save confirmed town after that tho. You would want Wyndz to reveal his information, then immediately lynch him in order to get a confirmed townie? You're lynching him purely on the basis of his role; you're not interested in actually figuring out his alignment? Crossbell said: Wyndz said: Thank you! I spent a lot of time on that post in order to explain to another mafia player how I approach and play the game after years of playing it, so it's an honor to have people read that post.Yup, that's usually true. I really like this post of yours. I learnt a lot from it and it reignited my interest in mafia games as well hence why I joined this game. Crossbell said: RE1031 said: So basically, if they find out, they can avoid any confrontation/interaction whatsoever that would look suspicious if that confirmed townie flips townie to everyone? But townies always come down on townies. I feel there's far more benefit to a townie learning who the other townies are than scum learning who the confirmed townie is. That's true, but we need information in this game and having Wyndz intentionally not reveal who the confirmed townie player is until later in the game only helps with that. I feel like I'm hitting on a specific point way too much, though, with regards to you. Gonna reread RE when I have the chance; her response to me feels more like confusion rather than actually having a specific scum agenda. Unvote Crossbell said: We want to lynch mafia. We don't want to lynch people to get "information". If Wyndz is town, getting a confirmed townie at the cost of a mislynch seems like a poor deal to me. Crossbell said: Melanoid said: Our goal isn't to get a confirmed town, though. Our goal is to lynch scum.@Crossbell I'm fine with waiting for some time to figure out his alignment but that's passing on the quickest chance to get a confirmed town. |
May 22, 2017 7:01 PM
#1281
Zymf said: Aww.. another mislynch x.x I would have loved to be Logic's neighbor right now so we could discuss who I should jail tonight or if I should jail someone at all. logic340 said: I think that WyNdZ and Crossbell are possible scumbuddies and I've felt like that for long. If it happens to be true, I'll honestly be quite impressed.Two questions: If Crossbell flips town what does that tell you about Wyndz? If Crossbell flips scum what does that tell you about Wyndz? All Crossbell did on Day 1 was to discourage mechanical discussion and defend WyNdZ. But he didn't defend WyNdZ in a straightforward clearly scummy way - Instead he was trying to throw suspicion on the people that had asked WyNdZ to reveal the confirmed town early. If WyNdZ and Crossbell are scum together, they clearly planned the whole confirmed townie reveal together. Crossbell said: I am kind of nervous about the people asking Wyndz about who the confirmed townie is. In my mind, the best way to use that sort of role (one random cop check on a townie) is to reveal who it is when that townie gets pressured or is run up, so that we can use that information to catch overeager scum on the wagon. RE and Zymf trying to fish that information out of Wyndz even before they've posted feels like an attempt to figure out who a confirmed townie is so that they don't have to pressure them, and it doesn't sit well with me. Vote RE1031 Hi. 1. Why do you want to fish the confirmed townie information out of Wyndz, even before they have even posted? 2. All of your posts are about mechanics so far. When can I expect you to get down and dirty with behavioral analysis? Crossbell said: Ruu said: - Zymf voted for a person that already had two votes. And I like it (weird I know because I usually think of this as scummy but I learned from experience that it is not ) Three people voted for Wyndz. Do you think there could be scum between any of them? Crossbell said: Shinichi said: Behaviorly hes acting pretty townish, but it could also just be pocketing my reasoning on why wyz shouldnt out the revealed townie. Crossbell said: RE1031 said: Let's say Wyndz is town - if he gets night killed before revealing who the confirmed townie is, then we may waste future phases debating whether that townie is scum or not, and that would be annoying. Yeah it's a slim possibility, but why hold off on revealing information we want to learn eventually? It would indeed be annoying, which is why I think that Wyndz should reveal his target probably during the Night/close to Night deadline or when that person is run up. It just felt strange that IMMEDIATELY (on post 19) you wanted Wyndz to reveal his target. Like, we aren't even out of the opening phases yet and you posted that. I'm interested as to why you were so eager to know, so early in the game. Crossbell said: Ruu said: @Crossbell what I meant to say was that its NAI - creating 3-votes trains early on can be good and it doesn't mean the person is scummy for joining the train. Also I want to see how Wy reacts and if the other players go along, relax... you can get a lot of reads from a simple rvs train. I'm liking what Wyndz is posting so far? His posts feel kind of Lack of Guile where he's sort of focused on his role, but it makes sense for him to do so if he's town because he doesn't have any sort of special ability. RE1031 said: Also, can you expand on this? Do you mean that it's something scummy to do, or something lazy? Crossbell said: Melanoid said: with that being said, I'm up for lynching the Occult right after he reveals his information just so we can get a clear town if occult flips town. Hopefully jailkeeper would save confirmed town after that tho. You would want Wyndz to reveal his information, then immediately lynch him in order to get a confirmed townie? You're lynching him purely on the basis of his role; you're not interested in actually figuring out his alignment? Crossbell said: Wyndz said: Yup, that's usually true. I really like this post of yours. I learnt a lot from it and it reignited my interest in mafia games as well hence why I joined this game. Crossbell said: RE1031 said: So basically, if they find out, they can avoid any confrontation/interaction whatsoever that would look suspicious if that confirmed townie flips townie to everyone? But townies always come down on townies. I feel there's far more benefit to a townie learning who the other townies are than scum learning who the confirmed townie is. That's true, but we need information in this game and having Wyndz intentionally not reveal who the confirmed townie player is until later in the game only helps with that. I feel like I'm hitting on a specific point way too much, though, with regards to you. Gonna reread RE when I have the chance; her response to me feels more like confusion rather than actually having a specific scum agenda. Unvote Crossbell said: We want to lynch mafia. We don't want to lynch people to get "information". If Wyndz is town, getting a confirmed townie at the cost of a mislynch seems like a poor deal to me. Crossbell said: Melanoid said: @Crossbell I'm fine with waiting for some time to figure out his alignment but that's passing on the quickest chance to get a confirmed town. How could they have planned on revealing the confirmed townie thing? First phase was day, scum shouldn't have had the opportunity to talk at all. Although it doesn't actually explicitly say that mafia can't talk in their club during the day... I don't completely buy that Crossbell was defending WyNdZ. I think he may have been just saying stuff to appear townie. Relying on straightforward logic to build up content should anyone question his activity. I mean, it could be both. And I can agree that he was throwing shade at people for asking for the confirmed townie's name. I only understood why it would be suspicious when Suzune explained. Crossbell's explanation didn't do it for me. |
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May 22, 2017 7:46 PM
#1282
Ruu said: Well in my mind, I hoped you would be a more interesting mafia player then that, so I am half glad you came up town.RIP ME. YOU CAN'T HAVE A GAME WITHOUT A GRRR ANTI TOWN PLAYER. THIS WILL SHOW YOU I'M SCUMMY BY NATURE LOL. GOOD LUCK GUYS ! |
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May 22, 2017 7:47 PM
#1283
RE1031 said: We should take cross tomorrow. Since it is unlikely that anyone is going to follow me in lynching you.I am okay with either Crossbell or Ruu. Somewhat fine leaving it up to RNG. With Ruu her scumminess is blatantly obvious, so I'd feel less guilty voting for her and she flipped town whereas if Crossbell were to flip town, I'd feel a lot more guilty. But trying to ignore that for now. |
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May 22, 2017 7:48 PM
#1284
logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I was thinking about this as well. Hopefully it's not a situation we find ourselves in? Worst case scenario we are in mylo. Good thing is we don't have to deal with lynch lock and scum piling on an errant vote. I do hope that in this situation we will all try to be around (if possible) to ensure no last minute shenanigans take place.If crossbell does decide to give information next phase we have to be very careful when reading into it. I mean most of us suspect him to a degree so i would assume we would all be wary about the results he gives. If anything he will either say me or wy is scum due to be watched lol. |
May 22, 2017 7:48 PM
#1285
Shinichi-Kun said: Ill be honest, I did not think Ruu was particularly anti-town. She was just not actively supporting the town.logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: shrug ruu why u gotta act so scummy if in the end u were jsut town. Idk why people choose to do anti town stuff as town why give us reasons to scum read them when they're town. |
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May 22, 2017 7:49 PM
#1286
Anyone want dinner, I have one shot? |
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May 22, 2017 8:09 PM
#1287
Some key things I noticed when rereading day 1: #272 - Old post from Abu but of the limited amount of posts Abu made, would he really want to make one that throws shade on his partner(s)? #385, #387 - Clash between Abu and WyNdZ Throwing this out there because these to me indicate no alignment between Abu and WyNdZ. |
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May 22, 2017 8:11 PM
#1288
Suzune-chan said: RE1031 said: We should take cross tomorrow. Since it is unlikely that anyone is going to follow me in lynching you.I am okay with either Crossbell or Ruu. Somewhat fine leaving it up to RNG. With Ruu her scumminess is blatantly obvious, so I'd feel less guilty voting for her and she flipped town whereas if Crossbell were to flip town, I'd feel a lot more guilty. But trying to ignore that for now. I think we need to be more careful with whom we vote for. I'm not sure I want to be voting Crossbell tomorrow since I've seen zero resistance to his lynch. |
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May 22, 2017 9:01 PM
#1289
Suzune-chan said: Shinichi-Kun said: Ill be honest, I did not think Ruu was particularly anti-town. She was just not actively supporting the town.logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: WTF....This is quite disappointing. It's like all the wind has been taken out of our sails. shrug ruu why u gotta act so scummy if in the end u were jsut town. Idk why people choose to do anti town stuff as town why give us reasons to scum read them when they're town. but thats what i mean if your town support eachother don't try to charge off on your own. |
May 22, 2017 9:04 PM
#1290
Zymf said: Aww.. another mislynch x.x I would have loved to be Logic's neighbor right now so we could discuss who I should jail tonight or if I should jail someone at all. logic340 said: I think that WyNdZ and Crossbell are possible scumbuddies and I've felt like that for long. If it happens to be true, I'll honestly be quite impressed.Two questions: If Crossbell flips town what does that tell you about Wyndz? If Crossbell flips scum what does that tell you about Wyndz? All Crossbell did on Day 1 was to discourage mechanical discussion and defend WyNdZ. But he didn't defend WyNdZ in a straightforward clearly scummy way - Instead he was trying to throw suspicion on the people that had asked WyNdZ to reveal the confirmed town early. If WyNdZ and Crossbell are scum together, they clearly planned the whole confirmed townie reveal together. Crossbell said: I am kind of nervous about the people asking Wyndz about who the confirmed townie is. In my mind, the best way to use that sort of role (one random cop check on a townie) is to reveal who it is when that townie gets pressured or is run up, so that we can use that information to catch overeager scum on the wagon. RE and Zymf trying to fish that information out of Wyndz even before they've posted feels like an attempt to figure out who a confirmed townie is so that they don't have to pressure them, and it doesn't sit well with me. Vote RE1031 Hi. 1. Why do you want to fish the confirmed townie information out of Wyndz, even before they have even posted? 2. All of your posts are about mechanics so far. When can I expect you to get down and dirty with behavioral analysis? Crossbell said: Ruu said: - Zymf voted for a person that already had two votes. And I like it (weird I know because I usually think of this as scummy but I learned from experience that it is not ) Three people voted for Wyndz. Do you think there could be scum between any of them? Crossbell said: Shinichi said: Behaviorly hes acting pretty townish, but it could also just be pocketing my reasoning on why wyz shouldnt out the revealed townie. Crossbell said: RE1031 said: Let's say Wyndz is town - if he gets night killed before revealing who the confirmed townie is, then we may waste future phases debating whether that townie is scum or not, and that would be annoying. Yeah it's a slim possibility, but why hold off on revealing information we want to learn eventually? It would indeed be annoying, which is why I think that Wyndz should reveal his target probably during the Night/close to Night deadline or when that person is run up. It just felt strange that IMMEDIATELY (on post 19) you wanted Wyndz to reveal his target. Like, we aren't even out of the opening phases yet and you posted that. I'm interested as to why you were so eager to know, so early in the game. Crossbell said: Ruu said: @Crossbell what I meant to say was that its NAI - creating 3-votes trains early on can be good and it doesn't mean the person is scummy for joining the train. Also I want to see how Wy reacts and if the other players go along, relax... you can get a lot of reads from a simple rvs train. I'm liking what Wyndz is posting so far? His posts feel kind of Lack of Guile where he's sort of focused on his role, but it makes sense for him to do so if he's town because he doesn't have any sort of special ability. RE1031 said: Also, can you expand on this? Do you mean that it's something scummy to do, or something lazy? Crossbell said: Melanoid said: with that being said, I'm up for lynching the Occult right after he reveals his information just so we can get a clear town if occult flips town. Hopefully jailkeeper would save confirmed town after that tho. You would want Wyndz to reveal his information, then immediately lynch him in order to get a confirmed townie? You're lynching him purely on the basis of his role; you're not interested in actually figuring out his alignment? Crossbell said: Wyndz said: Yup, that's usually true. I really like this post of yours. I learnt a lot from it and it reignited my interest in mafia games as well hence why I joined this game. Crossbell said: RE1031 said: So basically, if they find out, they can avoid any confrontation/interaction whatsoever that would look suspicious if that confirmed townie flips townie to everyone? But townies always come down on townies. I feel there's far more benefit to a townie learning who the other townies are than scum learning who the confirmed townie is. That's true, but we need information in this game and having Wyndz intentionally not reveal who the confirmed townie player is until later in the game only helps with that. I feel like I'm hitting on a specific point way too much, though, with regards to you. Gonna reread RE when I have the chance; her response to me feels more like confusion rather than actually having a specific scum agenda. Unvote Crossbell said: We want to lynch mafia. We don't want to lynch people to get "information". If Wyndz is town, getting a confirmed townie at the cost of a mislynch seems like a poor deal to me. Crossbell said: Melanoid said: @Crossbell I'm fine with waiting for some time to figure out his alignment but that's passing on the quickest chance to get a confirmed town. Just like Re1 said they couldn't have planned for the revealment they could have eased him into doing it, which i kinda think him and others did by practically forcing the idea that the information needed to be outted on the first phase. Only a few like me and suzune maybe other were against him revealing so early but suzune came into play way afer that. |
May 22, 2017 9:40 PM
#1291
Suzune-chan said: Anyone want dinner, I have one shot? i want dinner |
May 23, 2017 5:23 AM
#1292
Zymf said: Sounds like it would have been a good thing to do, I have faith in you to make a good decision. I see where you are coming from with Crossbell/Wyndz, I will definitely look over those iterations. I will find interactions between Crossbell and Shinichi as well I would like for you to look those over and tell me what you think?Aww.. another mislynch x.x I would have loved to be Logic's neighbor right now so we could discuss who I should jail tonight or if I should jail someone at all. logic340 said: I think that WyNdZ and Crossbell are possible scumbuddies and I've felt like that for long. If it happens to be true, I'll honestly be quite impressed.Two questions: If Crossbell flips town what does that tell you about Wyndz? If Crossbell flips scum what does that tell you about Wyndz? All Crossbell did on Day 1 was to discourage mechanical discussion and defend WyNdZ. But he didn't defend WyNdZ in a straightforward clearly scummy way - Instead he was trying to throw suspicion on the people that had asked WyNdZ to reveal the confirmed town early. If WyNdZ and Crossbell are scum together, they clearly planned the whole confirmed townie reveal together. Crossbell said: I am kind of nervous about the people asking Wyndz about who the confirmed townie is. In my mind, the best way to use that sort of role (one random cop check on a townie) is to reveal who it is when that townie gets pressured or is run up, so that we can use that information to catch overeager scum on the wagon. RE and Zymf trying to fish that information out of Wyndz even before they've posted feels like an attempt to figure out who a confirmed townie is so that they don't have to pressure them, and it doesn't sit well with me. Vote RE1031 Hi. 1. Why do you want to fish the confirmed townie information out of Wyndz, even before they have even posted? 2. All of your posts are about mechanics so far. When can I expect you to get down and dirty with behavioral analysis? Crossbell said: Ruu said: - Zymf voted for a person that already had two votes. And I like it (weird I know because I usually think of this as scummy but I learned from experience that it is not ) Three people voted for Wyndz. Do you think there could be scum between any of them? Crossbell said: Shinichi said: Behaviorly hes acting pretty townish, but it could also just be pocketing my reasoning on why wyz shouldnt out the revealed townie. Crossbell said: RE1031 said: Let's say Wyndz is town - if he gets night killed before revealing who the confirmed townie is, then we may waste future phases debating whether that townie is scum or not, and that would be annoying. Yeah it's a slim possibility, but why hold off on revealing information we want to learn eventually? It would indeed be annoying, which is why I think that Wyndz should reveal his target probably during the Night/close to Night deadline or when that person is run up. It just felt strange that IMMEDIATELY (on post 19) you wanted Wyndz to reveal his target. Like, we aren't even out of the opening phases yet and you posted that. I'm interested as to why you were so eager to know, so early in the game. Crossbell said: Ruu said: @Crossbell what I meant to say was that its NAI - creating 3-votes trains early on can be good and it doesn't mean the person is scummy for joining the train. Also I want to see how Wy reacts and if the other players go along, relax... you can get a lot of reads from a simple rvs train. I'm liking what Wyndz is posting so far? His posts feel kind of Lack of Guile where he's sort of focused on his role, but it makes sense for him to do so if he's town because he doesn't have any sort of special ability. RE1031 said: Also, can you expand on this? Do you mean that it's something scummy to do, or something lazy? Crossbell said: Melanoid said: with that being said, I'm up for lynching the Occult right after he reveals his information just so we can get a clear town if occult flips town. Hopefully jailkeeper would save confirmed town after that tho. You would want Wyndz to reveal his information, then immediately lynch him in order to get a confirmed townie? You're lynching him purely on the basis of his role; you're not interested in actually figuring out his alignment? Crossbell said: Wyndz said: Yup, that's usually true. I really like this post of yours. I learnt a lot from it and it reignited my interest in mafia games as well hence why I joined this game. Crossbell said: RE1031 said: So basically, if they find out, they can avoid any confrontation/interaction whatsoever that would look suspicious if that confirmed townie flips townie to everyone? But townies always come down on townies. I feel there's far more benefit to a townie learning who the other townies are than scum learning who the confirmed townie is. That's true, but we need information in this game and having Wyndz intentionally not reveal who the confirmed townie player is until later in the game only helps with that. I feel like I'm hitting on a specific point way too much, though, with regards to you. Gonna reread RE when I have the chance; her response to me feels more like confusion rather than actually having a specific scum agenda. Unvote Crossbell said: We want to lynch mafia. We don't want to lynch people to get "information". If Wyndz is town, getting a confirmed townie at the cost of a mislynch seems like a poor deal to me. Crossbell said: Melanoid said: @Crossbell I'm fine with waiting for some time to figure out his alignment but that's passing on the quickest chance to get a confirmed town. Suzune-chan said: I would really like for you to show some evidence against RE. you have pretty much said that all her posts read scum to you but you have not said why it is you actually feel that way. Do you feel she pushing an agenda? Has she been planting seeds of doubt and mistrust? if you could give a few examples or specific posts it would be appreciated. RE1031 said: We should take cross tomorrow. Since it is unlikely that anyone is going to follow me in lynching you.I am okay with either Crossbell or Ruu. Somewhat fine leaving it up to RNG. With Ruu her scumminess is blatantly obvious, so I'd feel less guilty voting for her and she flipped town whereas if Crossbell were to flip town, I'd feel a lot more guilty. But trying to ignore that for now. Shinichi-Kun said: I agree but we have to weigh our options. Also why do you feel that he would watch you or Wy? logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: If crossbell does decide to give information next phase we have to be very careful when reading into it. I mean most of us suspect him to a degree so i would assume we would all be wary about the results he gives. If anything he will either say me or wy is scum due to be watched lol. RE1031 said: We definitely need to be careful but we don't want to over think it either. I want to see his response to your question in #1335.Suzune-chan said: RE1031 said: I am okay with either Crossbell or Ruu. Somewhat fine leaving it up to RNG. With Ruu her scumminess is blatantly obvious, so I'd feel less guilty voting for her and she flipped town whereas if Crossbell were to flip town, I'd feel a lot more guilty. But trying to ignore that for now. I think we need to be more careful with whom we vote for. I'm not sure I want to be voting Crossbell tomorrow since I've seen zero resistance to his lynch. |
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May 23, 2017 5:26 AM
#1293
@Zymf you think that Wyndz and Crossbell Nuke Bussed Abu for the town credit? They are both on the Abu train D1 Wyndz said he had a slight scum read on Abu, Crossbell said he wasn't sold on the lynch. |
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May 23, 2017 5:31 AM
#1294
π« Day 1 Final Vote Count π« Key: Green = Town Limegreen = believable claim Purple = Anti-Town Red = Mafia π₯ π₯ AbuHumaid π₯ π₯ (5): π° melanoid, Zymf, Crossbell, wen294, WyNdZ π° π£ Melanoid π£ (3): π° logic340, AbuHumaid, Oyasumi_Rosie π° π£ WyNdZ π£ (2): π° yurkin, RE1031 π° π£ logic340 π£ (1): π° Ruu π° π± Not Voting Shinichi-kun π« Day 2 Final Vote Count π« π₯ π₯ Oyasumi_Rosie π₯ π₯ (8): π° logic340, WyNdZ, wen294, Shinichi-kun, melanoid, Oyasumi_Rosie, π RE1031 π, Crossbell, Ruu π° π± Not Voting Zymf π« Day 3 Final Vote Count π« π₯ π₯ Ruu π₯ π₯ (5): π° Wyndz, Shinichi-kun, Crossbell, logic340, RE1031 π° π£ Crossbell π£ (2): π° Ruu, Zymf π° π£ RE1031 π£ (1): π° Suzune-chan π° π± Not Voting ~ |
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May 23, 2017 7:24 AM
#1295
@logic340 yes we do have to weigh options Because i feel like if need be he could find a way to convince people that me or wy are scum, it be alot harder even if he watched you to convince the town that your scum. |
May 23, 2017 7:35 AM
#1296
May 23, 2017 8:08 AM
#1297
Shinichi-Kun said: I honestly think that he will have a hard time convincing anyone at this point in time. He keeps saying he will try to be around and be more active but he hasn't. @logic340 yes we do have to weigh options Because i feel like if need be he could find a way to convince people that me or wy are scum, it be alot harder even if he watched you to convince the town that your scum. Shinichi-Kun said: I am struggling as well which is why you don't see any analysis this time around. Honestly cant put anything together from these vote counts espically day 2 vote count. |
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May 23, 2017 8:09 AM
#1298
Okay I want to drop this thought before I am inevitably night killed, because every time I think this is the answer I am killed first. Isn't it odd that literally everyone thinks it is cross bell. That strikes me as odd. Without making an actual case because I am at work, but, I dreamed it was logic340. They were the mafia we were looking for and I led charge for a successful lynch on that slot. Without studying my reasons I cannot provide you with footing other then that it case banked around curious about ideas, looking busy, never doing anything mildly scummy, and sort of organizing and controlling opinions. |
Where there is no imagination there is no horror. || Arthur Conan Doyle || Happy Halloween! |
May 23, 2017 8:21 AM
#1299
Suzune-chan said: Okay I want to drop this thought before I am inevitably night killed, because every time I think this is the answer I am killed first. Isn't it odd that literally everyone thinks it is cross bell. That strikes me as odd. Without making an actual case because I am at work, but, I dreamed it was logic340. They were the mafia we were looking for and I led charge for a successful lynch on that slot. Without studying my reasons I cannot provide you with footing other then that it case banked around curious about ideas, looking busy, never doing anything mildly scummy, and sort of organizing and controlling opinions. Is that not what Crossbell has been doing this entire game. Aside from failing to look busy. Also where has he been curious about ideas? Also do you have any reasons besides it being part of your dream. I mean I had a dream that Crossbell flipped town but I don't plan on reading into it. |
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May 23, 2017 8:33 AM
#1300
RE1031 said: Well I know wha the case said in my dream so I will analyze it when I get home. Logic stands out more to meninregwrds to the bold post then crossbellSuzune-chan said: Okay I want to drop this thought before I am inevitably night killed, because every time I think this is the answer I am killed first. Isn't it odd that literally everyone thinks it is cross bell. That strikes me as odd. Without making an actual case because I am at work, but, I dreamed it was logic340. They were the mafia we were looking for and I led charge for a successful lynch on that slot. Without studying my reasons I cannot provide you with footing other then that it case banked around curious about ideas, looking busy, never doing anything mildly scummy, and sort of organizing and controlling opinions. Is that not what Crossbell has been doing this entire game. Aside from failing to look busy. Also where has he been curious about ideas? Also do you have any reasons besides it being part of your dream. I mean I had a dream that Crossbell flipped town but I don't plan on reading into it. |
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